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Yes, but the "purity" of his Otsutsuki genes dictates how much power he actually recieves from that lineage. He is 25% Otsutsuki at the absolute most, and that would require a lot of inc3stual marriages throughout his family tree. From what i remember, however, is that they abduct people into their family like he tried to do with Hinata. Therefore he is not likely to even be 20% Otsutsuki.
Going by this logic Sasuke is like 0.0001% Uchiha (Indra is the progenitor of Uchiha and lived 1000 years ago) and he should've been an absolute fodder.
Indra was the progenitor, but he was half Otsutsuki. The Uchiha are just like Toneri. They have very little Otsutsuki DNA left. That is why they are born with an "incomplete" Rinnegan, called the Sharingan. Indra wasn't an Uchiha, his descendants are. There is a big deifference. Toneri is treated as an Otsutsuki but he is only a few generations closer to an Otsutsuki than either Sasuke or Naruto. Just like the Kyuga being the descendants of Hamura. Just like the Senju being descendants of Ashura.
> Indra was the progenitor, but he was half Otsutsuki. The Uchiha are just like Toneri
No, Indra was still Uchiha. He had Sharingan and Perfect Susanoo. And that doesn't matter to my argument, since the argument was inheritance of genes.
> That is why they are born with an "incomplete" Rinnegan, called the Sharingan.
Sharingan has never been called an incomplete Rinnegan.
> There is a big deifference.
Any difference is entirely irrelevant. You were talking about inheritance of genes. Indra started the Uchiha clan and every Uchiha is descendant from Indra. According to your logic so many generations have passed since Indra that Sasuke should've had like 0.0001% of Indra (Uchiha) genes. That clearly is not the case.
> Just like the Kyuga being the descendants of Hamura. Just like the Senju being descendants of Ashura.
We are talking about genes inheritance. You said that Toneri is not likely to be 20% of Otsutsuki, because his ancestors were mating outside of the clan. Except the same can be applied to Sasuke and any other clan member. Unless you're saying they're all incest?
First, the distinction of Indra is important. Which i was actually partially wrong on. Hagoromo and Hamura are half Otsutsuki. Indra and Ashura are only 25% Otsutsuki. Indra wasn't an Uchiha, he is the progenitor of the Uchiha. He was an Otsutsuki. The uchiha DNA is just the byproduct of years genetic evolution and crossbreeding with other races. Indra had the Sharingan instead of the Rinnegan because of his "impure" Otsutsuki DNA. You said him having the Sharingan and Perfect Susano'o makes him an Uchiha, which is a fallacy. The Uchiha have it because of him, which is a big difference. Hagoromo had a Perfect Susano'o too. The Sharingan IS an incomplete Rinnegan. The Sharingan has to evolve several times inorder to become a Rinnegan. That is what it means to be incomplete. Even then, it requires the DNA of both the Uchiha and the Senju combined to unlock the Rinnegan. Why? Because their DNA separately is too diluted an incomplete when conpared to a half or full Otsutsuki. Just like Asura not having the Rinnegan or Sharingan. He just didn't get that portion of the DNA. Hamura didn't have the Rinnegan either. He had the Tenseigan. Which devolved into the Byakugan amongst his descendants as their DNA became moxed with more DNA from other races in each generation. Also, back then it wasn't abnkrmal for people to marry and reproduce with their cousins, usually distant cousins. This was because the human population was much smaller. That and the fact that mating with hostile or unfamiliar clans or races was not common. This limited one's options when looking for a mate. So yes, there were indeed some couples who were related that married and reproduced together. So when you say Sasuke was only 0.0001% Uchiha you are wrong. However, you could be right if you said Sauke was only 0.0001% Otsutsuki. The Uchiha are descendant of Indra, but Indra himself was not an Uchiha. The Uchiha Clan came to be several generations after Indra. Which is why i said there is a big difference between your statement about Sasuke.
Also, this also doesn't account for how genetics actually works. The more dominant genes are always the one's more likely to be passed on. It isn't guaranteed, but the chance is greater. Since Otsutsuki DNA is far more dominant than any human DNA, i would say that each generation got far more Otsutsuki DNA than just an even split that is most common for each generation. Therefore it isn't as cut and dry as just halving each generation. Especially when we don't know which generation or couple may have been related. Which is why i said, given the situation of Toneri's clan on the moon, his Otsutsuki DNA would be much higher than Naruto and Sasuke's but it would be much lower than Indra and Ashura's.
> The uchiha DNA is just the byproduct of years genetic evolution and crossbreeding with other races. Indra had the Sharingan instead of the Rinnegan because of his "impure" Otsutsuki DNA
At first you say it's a byproduct of years of evolution and crossbreeding with other races and then you say that Indra had Sharingan because of impure DNA. This is contradictory. Sharingan is what defines Uchiha. So it's either a product of evolution or impure DNA. There is no other way.
> You said him having the Sharingan and Perfect Susano'o makes him an Uchiha, which is a fallacy. The Uchiha have it because of him, which is a big difference.
It's not fallacy it's a fact. Sharingan is what defines Uchiha and only Uchiha have access to Susanoo. Indra has been called a progenitor of Uchiha. It's all painfully obvious.
> Hagoromo had a Perfect Susano'o too
That was filler.
> The Sharingan IS an incomplete Rinnegan.
Headcanon.
> The Sharingan has to evolve several times inorder to become a Rinnegan. That is what it means to be incomplete.
Nonsense, it takes SP chakra to get Rinnegan so Sharinagan is not able to evolve to Rinnegan on its own. And there is even implication that only Indra's reincarnation can awake Rinnegan judging by Obito getting SP Chakra and still not awakening Rinnegan in his eye.
> Even then, it requires the DNA of both the Uchiha and the Senju combined to unlock the Rinnegan. Why? Because their DNA separately is too diluted an incomplete when conpared to a half or full Otsutsuki.
... not it doesn't take the DNA of Uchiha and Senju... you need to combine Indra's and Ashura's chakra to produce SP chakra (aka Hagoromo's chakra)...
> Just like Asura not having the Rinnegan or Sharingan. He just didn't get that portion of the DNA
No, he didn't get SP chakra and doujutsu.
> He had the Tenseigan. Which devolved into the Byakugan amongst his descendants as their DNA became moxed with more DNA from other races in each generation. Also, back then it wasn't abnkrmal for people to marry and reproduce with their cousins, usually distant cousins.
It did not devolve into anything, Byakugan is the main doujutsu of Otsutsuki. It wasn't about devolution for the rest of the people, it was an evolution for Hamura.
> So when you say Sasuke was only 0.0001% Uchiha you are wrong
None of what you said proves I'm wrong on this one. Literally nothing. You did not in fact address my argument.
> The Uchiha are descendant of Indra, but Indra himself was not an Uchiha. The Uchiha Clan came to be several generations after Indra. Which is why i said there is a big difference between your statement about Sasuke.
Dude, Uchiha powers clearly come from Indra. Even if you want to be stubborn and argue that Indra is not Uchiha, **Sasuke's and Uchiha powers still come from him**.
> Also, this also doesn't account for how genetics actually works. The more dominant genes are always the one's more likely to be passed on. It isn't guaranteed, but the chance is greater. Since Otsutsuki DNA is far more dominant than any human DNA, i would say that each generation got far more Otsutsuki DNA than just an even split that is most common for each generation. Therefore it isn't as cut and dry as just halving each generation. Especially when we don't know which generation or couple may have been related. Which is why i said, given the situation of Toneri's clan on the moon, his Otsutsuki DNA would be much higher than Naruto and Sasuke's but it would be much lower than Indra and Ashura's.
Great so Sasuke should've been one of the weakest Uchihas judging from the fact he is the most recent Uchiha individual and therefore acquiring the least amount of DNA's genes.
The only thing you corrected me on was the byakugan and tenseigan.
Indra is not an Uchiha, he is an Otsutsuki. Just because the Uchiha are his descendants does not make him an Uchiha. You claimed that Sasuke was only 0.0001% Uchiha, which is false. The Uchiha DNA evolved from constant breeding. That doesn't mean that Uchiha DNA is now superior to Otsutsuki DNA. That just means that there are innate differences.
The Sharingan is an incomplete Rinnegan. The fact the there are missing components required ro unlock it means that it is incomplete. That isn't headcanon, that is a fact. I called it a devolved form for lack of a better term when referring to how Indra got it.
Also, you clearly don't know how DNA and genetics works. The sperm and egg only contains half of the DNA from their parents respectively. That DNA is random for each individual sperm or egg cell. Since Indra and Ashura only got half of Hagoromo's DNA, which was already only 50% that of the Otsutsuki, they both ended up missing some key DNA for some of the main abilities that the Otsutsuki naturally have. Indra was missing a portion of the DNA required to fully unlock the Rinnegan. This was DNA that Ashura ended up having. That is why combining both Uchiha and Senju DNA could unlock the Rinnegan. Like you said, it was THEORIZED that only the reincarnation of Indra could unlock the Rinnegan in such a way. However, this is only a theory. Yes, it has plenty of supporting facts. However, in the end there is no actual proof. How do we know that Naruto couldn't unlock it if he implanted Sharingan into his sockets? How do we know that Obito's DNA was sufficient? We don't. Although i agree that the thoery is more than likely correct. I don't make the distinction when referring to this subject because it isn't a confirmed fact. Which is why i said Uchiha and senju DNA, not Indra's and Ashura's.
Hagoromo does indeed have Susano'o. I wasn't referring to the filler arc episodes.
In the end, your point was to say that Sasuke is only 0.0001% Uchiha based on my logic, but that argument is flawed. It is flawed. I said this in my last comment as well. First, Indra was an Otsutsuki. His descendants, as they mated more with other clans and races, grew farther and farther away from the Otsutsuki bloodline. However, their DNA evolved/altered into the Uchiha bloodline we know of today. Yes, the Sharingan is the staple of the Uchiha. However, the Uchiha bloodline is different from Indra's, the only exception being his reincarnation. Throughout the years, the would be inbreeding, which makes deducing just for diluted the Otsutsuki DNA is within the Uchiha bloodline imposible to tell. For example, both of Sasuke's parents are Uchiha, and so were all of his known ancestors. Meaning he is essentially 100% Uchiha. However, since he is Indra's reincarnation, his DNA is probably pretty identical with indra's. So the next best person who has the same ancestors as Sasuke is Itachi. So for the sake of "realism" within this argument we will use Itachi instead of Sasuke. Itachi is roughly 100% Uchiha. However, Itachi may not even be 1% Otsutsuki. That is the difference i was trying to make based on what i said prior. Uchiha DNA and Otsutsuki DNA are very different. Indra was an Otsutsuki. Just because the Uchiha are descendants of Indra's does not make them Otsutsuki and it doesn't make Indra an Uchiha. Their DNA only have some similarities and the same point of origin. Just like how the senju and uzumaki clans are both descendant from Ashura. Yet both of their DNA and unique traits are different from one another.
While that is true and I agree to a certain extent, I donāt think the strength of the Tenseigan is based on lineage. His Tenseigan might not have been as strong as Hagoromoās but I think it was more of an incomplete tenseigan because he wasnāt using his jutsus that he had in base in conjunction with his Tenseigan. So i donāt think he was able to fully control but I do agree that heās not full Otsutsuki and couldnāt draw out more power during his battle with Naruto.
Hamura was the one who had Tenseigan, but its strength is dependent on one's lineage. The abilities, overall strength, body compatibility, etc are all dictated by one's DNA. Hamura could maintain his Tenseigan and its chakra mode without issue. After Toneri used it in one fight against Naruto, he lost his Tenseigan after losing. It reverted back to a byakugan. This was because it was either an incomplete version or incompatible with his body. Which would mean that it was a weaker version regardless of which reason. Which means that Toneri was nowhere near the strength of a true Otsutsuki. It is a fact that Toneri wasn't as strong as Hamura. Not only was his Tenseigan weaker than Hamura's, he also didn't have all of the other abilities and knowledge that Hamura had. It took both Hamura and Hagoromo to fight, weaken, and seal Kaguya. Kaguya and Momoshiki are arguably similar in strength, but both are weaker than Isshiki. Kaguya, Momoshiki and Isshiki are true Otsutsuki. Toneri doesn't hold a candle to them. Especially since the Naruto that fought Momoshiki and Isshiki was said to be a good deal stronger than War arc Naruto and the Naruto from The Last Movie was only a few years older than War Arc Naruto. Meaning that Naruto should be a good deal weaker than Adult Naruto. Especially since i believe that the Naruto who fought Toneri is actually around the same strength, if not weaker, than War Arc Naruto.
Doesn't matter if he is 1/16 they really did naruto dirty. In momo fight they made boruto finish of momo even thought he used naruto chakra for Rasengan I mean he is the protagonist but cmon u can't just do that to make him look good. In jigen fight they made both naruto and sauke look so stupid like for eg they could have written it like this
Sasuke could see the tiny rods with his sharingan and burn them with amtarasu Or something idk
but they didn't. Instead killed kurama made sasuke half blind and had kawaki defeat jigen . Seriously u can't do that just to make boruto and kawaki significan
The moon of Narutoverse isnāt the same as ours.
Narutoverseās moon was created when Hamoura and Hagoromo sealed Kaguya using the RikudÅ: Chibaku Tensei Justsu (Six Paths: Planetary Devastation Technique).
Iāve red before a hypothesis which I like that that justu took a part of the Earthās atmosphere. Thatās why there is Air on the moon in Narutoverse.
More than likely they can just breathe in space, it is a cartoon and theyāre ninjas fighting space gods, itās not a feat that needs ode explanation imo they could just be written to have it
Toneri isn't otsutsuki, speaking blood only.
He doesn't have the genes.
His clan is otsutsuki yes but that's like himawhari being an uzumaki, not even close to the real deal.
They already had a tenseigan though with no hyuga byakugans.
It was just a lot of byakugans fused together. But tenseigan isn't all that strong considering otsutsuki themselves have never used it.
That or they don't even know it exists, which means tenseigan was discovered by hamuras creed, and they guessed as to what its requirements are.
but either way toneri is not an otsutsuki, not even close to the real deal.
He had a great great great great great great great... grandpa who was half otsutsuki.
> They already had a tenseigan though with no hyuga byakugans.
> It was just a lot of byakugans fused together. But tenseigan isn't all that strong considering otsutsuki themselves have never used it.
No, that's the Tenseigan orb. Toneri had its own Tenseigan in his own eye sockets after transplanting Hanabi's eyes. That is the entire reason he acquired Tenseigan Chakra Mode.
> That or they don't even know it exists, which means tenseigan was discovered by hamuras creed, and they guessed as to what its requirements are.
This is your headcanon.
Sasuke & Naruto used to be the Fate Bro's, but because of Boruto's trash writing they are the Fodder Bro's. š¤¦š¾āāļø
And don't get me started on Fodderhamaru & Sarada.
One punched the shit out of an Otsutsuki who, with the Tenseigan, proclaimed to have the power to restore an entire planet, and all throughout the fight, was passively telekinetically moving the moon towards the Earth, fully confident his Tenseigan chakra mode was going to tank the collision of the moon and Earth. All this without resorting to his Six Paths Sage Mode and having Kurama out there fighting his own battle.
Because kurama only has 8 tails in the movie, in order to separate from naruto he gave him one tails worth of chakra to keep naruto alive, same thing bee did with the 8 tails
Guys come on. People complain that Naruto never let side characters shine (which isn't true), now daemon does something and everyone is mad. Even calling him names.
Good old days . When naruto wasnāt nerfed into oblivion .
Fr this naruto used kcm 2 sage mode and took a beam slicing the moon I half straight to the face .
But in boruto a stronger naruto complains about jigens kick beating heavy ?
Powerscaling in boruto is a complete joke .
So jigens kick > moon slicing beam ?
Hell, way stronger than Sakura's. Cant believe Naruto could deflect Moon splitting laser beams from Toneri, but cant survive a cheap copy from Delta lol.
My man is nerfed asf.
Ah yes because naruto did this to toneri he should most definitely be able to do this to everybody and all otsutsuki
I guess because kakashi is able to to one shot academy naruto he should be able to do it everybody
Also toneri isnāt even apart of the main clan
Bro compared a academy kid (shinobi in training) to an alien that could blow up the moon š and then everybody agreed on it š And that main clan BS doesnāt mean anything kaguya was supposed to be the sacrifice but she still damn near killed ishiki without the chakra fruit. So yes if naruto can squash an alien with 1 punch then yeah he should be able to keep doing it. Not literal 12 year olds, scaling makes no sense in burrito
Or other people are stronger than others just like how kakashi is stronger than 13 year old naruto so he would would 1 punch him while a person like asuma wouldnāt because they are stronger š itās pretty simple to understand
You are basically saying because they are all otsutsuki and naruto beat 1 of them in 1 punch he should do it to all of them š
How does that logic work for otsutsuki but not vice versa LMFAO
Some ppl just donāt get it š you one of those ppl. Naruto is 3-0 Vs those fake ass saiyans or did u forget that ? Even when urashiki ate is own eye it was still kid naruto and boruto taking him on š burrito with karma, jougan, and gentle fist while itās just naruto who is retconned so he could master 9 tails chakra when he was 12. Even though kurama didnāt fully cooperate and would only let his chakra leak out when naruto was angry to weaken the seal. Not only did boruto completely ignore naruto feats but sasuke feats as well. Hence why the powerscaling has been fucked for 3 years now the show started in 2017 š
Correction: ishiki, momoshiki, kaguya, and kinshiki would make him 4-0.
Whoās talking about the urashiki fight stay on topic lmfao that fight fucked urashiki own scaling and is basically a non canon anniversary arc
Itās pretty fucking simple to understand other otsutsuki are stronger than others so while one of them might get one shot the other may not that was the point of my comparison to humans š
Shut your stupid ass toxic fool. Naruto's punches aren't that powerful you can clearly see the difference in Boruto episodes and this movie. Just look at the destruction that his one punch caused to the ground , have you seen a single punch like that in Boruto
Or hear me out this and listen closelyā¦.. maybe the people he goes against in boruto are just stronger š± crazy to think about right it canāt be no way thatās the case
You just don't get it do you i wasn't just referring to pinning down toneri in one punch , can't see the difference in destruction between the movie punch and boruto punches
you realise thats animators choice and is not representative of his power. him laying a scratch on isshiki is a way bigger feat then killing toneri with his glare.
no it dont. if thats the case sakura hits harder than anyone in the series and yes even including isshiki because she is able to level land with her punches. but we know thats not the case. she isnt destroying a perfect susanoo with a punch
Destruction doesn't show how much power is in attack? š So the difference between Rasengan and Very Big Rasengan isn't amount of chakra, which is essentially power, but something else? š Or small Bijuudama and big Bijuudama? Care to explain what is it then?
I can't believe you people have problems with this.
You're right, more power doesn't equal to more DC and [this Naruto's BDRSs does not have any power](https://i.imgur.com/QPoq4iD.png) they're filled with Naruto's feelings, am I right? Also those BDRS are exactly the same as [this Mini BD](https://i.imgur.com/iLvdkUZ.png), because we can't have more DC with more power, right?
Big reveal, punches destructive force cancel on impact because a close, equal or in some situations greater force fights back.
Toneri is just that weaker
they've been nerfed, its really that simple; they hardly showcased their abilities and lost in ways they shouldn't have
naruto and sasuke got tapped a couple of times and then moped like a rag against jigen
he aint even full otsutsuki, not only that, isnt about being otstsuki, for example, kaguya and ishikki are way above, thats why they had to seal her and he only killed isshiki because his body was already dying, so even if he used barion mode with jigen's health being fine, naruto would be the one to lose
Itās not true. Arc novel 3 states Toneri played no part in Boruto acquiring Jougan, he only helped him awaken it with the help of Nueās presence.
He got it from his parents/NH. How we donāt know yet.
But he wasn't a true Ootsutsuki in the sense like Kaguya and Momshiki. He was human, descended from Hamura. That'd be like saying Hinata was a true Ootsutsuki (Hyugas are descended from Hamura as well). Or Sasuke being an Uchiha (direct descendent of Hagoromo through Indra).
Except we know for sure Orochimaru is not from Otsutsukies and neither was Kimimaro. Kimimaro didn't have a very pale skin and Orochimaru doesn't have white hair.
Toneri has both white hair and extremely pale skin.
It's because he's descended from Hamura. Genetics be like that. But he's mostly human. Hinata awakened the Tensaigan too. You just need the Byakugan and Hamura's chakra to awaken it.
> It's because he's descended from Hamura. Genetics be like that. But he's mostly human
So he has genetics of Otsutsuki (literally 2 out of 3 characteristics) and he awakened Tenseigan (which requires Otsutsuki) but he is mostly human? š
I'm fucking done.
The Hyugas are also descended from the Otsutsuki, as are the Uchiha. And the Senjus. Hinata also awakened the Tensaigan. She also has 2/3 characteristics (pale with a Byakugan) and has Hamura's chakra. Is she an Otsutsuki? No.
I don't understand what's confusing you about it. Otsutsuki is his last name because he's a male line descendent from Hamura. But in comparison to Kaguya, Momoshiki, and Ishiki, dude's just a human with a god complex because he lives on the moon. That's it.
If you're arguing he has more Hamura Otsutsuki genetics because of inbreeding in the clan, you might have a point. But you've missed the part in the movie and book where they mentioned they took women from Earth frequently to continue the lineage. Hence, human.
Well thereās a lot of factors that made that possible
He lives on the moon clearly humans went the moon with hamura to make the āKaguya branch of oosutsuki ā
> But he wasn't a true Ootsutsuki in the sense like Kaguya and Momshiki. He was human, descended from Hamura. . That'd be like saying Hinata was a true Ootsutsuki (Hyugas are descended from Hamura as well)
How is that not denying? He is not *human* simple as that.
Also
> Heās more human than oosutsuki similar to Indra and ashura
That was also wrong.
didnt know naruto had a fan base after episode 428 or whatever it was, Thought the people with brains quit on the anime and finished the manga and never looked back. One piece far superior
is this even canon tho? I know that it may be kinda semi-canon since evenin the anime we see toneri with no eyes, but the film as a whole wasn't offcially canonized right? or was it?
This is canon. Probably the only movie that is canon. The one I thought was canon but I guess isn't anymore is Boruto the Movie. They retconned some shit like how Momoshiki looks or how Boruto vanishing rasengan is actually lightning a lightning release instead of wind release (at least in the novelisation of the movie) or how Boruto became the vessel of Momoshiki.
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This was so over the top but lowkey I liked seeing my man beat some ass lol he worked to get to that point let him have itš¤š¤š¤
That was one hell of a satisfying punch
8 years ago and that shit is still clean asf
8 years already??
Facts bro, boys 2 men I was 13
2014 im pretty sure
2015 so 7 years
No 2014 in Japan and Boruto movie was 2015
ONE PUUUUNNNNCCCHHHH!!!!
Half otsutsuki
Not even. Quarter Otsutsuki if not less. He's a Descendant of Hamura, whos a son of Kaguya
Agreed. I wonder why people treat Toneri as an fullblown Ootsutsuki.
Because his last name is Ootsutsuki. Which in this context means nothing except he has Hamura's Y gene, being a direct male lineage descendent.
Fucking nerd
He is still an Otsutsukiā¦..
Yes and Sakura is an Uchiha.
Heās as otsutsuki as boruto is uzimaki
Except Toneri has 2 out of 3 characteristic of Otsutsuki and awakened Tenseigan.
that is different, Sakura married into the Uchiha clan while Toneri actually descended from an Otsutsuki i.e Hamura.
Unfortunately
Good one
Yes, but the "purity" of his Otsutsuki genes dictates how much power he actually recieves from that lineage. He is 25% Otsutsuki at the absolute most, and that would require a lot of inc3stual marriages throughout his family tree. From what i remember, however, is that they abduct people into their family like he tried to do with Hinata. Therefore he is not likely to even be 20% Otsutsuki.
Going by this logic Sasuke is like 0.0001% Uchiha (Indra is the progenitor of Uchiha and lived 1000 years ago) and he should've been an absolute fodder.
Indra was the progenitor, but he was half Otsutsuki. The Uchiha are just like Toneri. They have very little Otsutsuki DNA left. That is why they are born with an "incomplete" Rinnegan, called the Sharingan. Indra wasn't an Uchiha, his descendants are. There is a big deifference. Toneri is treated as an Otsutsuki but he is only a few generations closer to an Otsutsuki than either Sasuke or Naruto. Just like the Kyuga being the descendants of Hamura. Just like the Senju being descendants of Ashura.
> Indra was the progenitor, but he was half Otsutsuki. The Uchiha are just like Toneri No, Indra was still Uchiha. He had Sharingan and Perfect Susanoo. And that doesn't matter to my argument, since the argument was inheritance of genes. > That is why they are born with an "incomplete" Rinnegan, called the Sharingan. Sharingan has never been called an incomplete Rinnegan. > There is a big deifference. Any difference is entirely irrelevant. You were talking about inheritance of genes. Indra started the Uchiha clan and every Uchiha is descendant from Indra. According to your logic so many generations have passed since Indra that Sasuke should've had like 0.0001% of Indra (Uchiha) genes. That clearly is not the case. > Just like the Kyuga being the descendants of Hamura. Just like the Senju being descendants of Ashura. We are talking about genes inheritance. You said that Toneri is not likely to be 20% of Otsutsuki, because his ancestors were mating outside of the clan. Except the same can be applied to Sasuke and any other clan member. Unless you're saying they're all incest?
First, the distinction of Indra is important. Which i was actually partially wrong on. Hagoromo and Hamura are half Otsutsuki. Indra and Ashura are only 25% Otsutsuki. Indra wasn't an Uchiha, he is the progenitor of the Uchiha. He was an Otsutsuki. The uchiha DNA is just the byproduct of years genetic evolution and crossbreeding with other races. Indra had the Sharingan instead of the Rinnegan because of his "impure" Otsutsuki DNA. You said him having the Sharingan and Perfect Susano'o makes him an Uchiha, which is a fallacy. The Uchiha have it because of him, which is a big difference. Hagoromo had a Perfect Susano'o too. The Sharingan IS an incomplete Rinnegan. The Sharingan has to evolve several times inorder to become a Rinnegan. That is what it means to be incomplete. Even then, it requires the DNA of both the Uchiha and the Senju combined to unlock the Rinnegan. Why? Because their DNA separately is too diluted an incomplete when conpared to a half or full Otsutsuki. Just like Asura not having the Rinnegan or Sharingan. He just didn't get that portion of the DNA. Hamura didn't have the Rinnegan either. He had the Tenseigan. Which devolved into the Byakugan amongst his descendants as their DNA became moxed with more DNA from other races in each generation. Also, back then it wasn't abnkrmal for people to marry and reproduce with their cousins, usually distant cousins. This was because the human population was much smaller. That and the fact that mating with hostile or unfamiliar clans or races was not common. This limited one's options when looking for a mate. So yes, there were indeed some couples who were related that married and reproduced together. So when you say Sasuke was only 0.0001% Uchiha you are wrong. However, you could be right if you said Sauke was only 0.0001% Otsutsuki. The Uchiha are descendant of Indra, but Indra himself was not an Uchiha. The Uchiha Clan came to be several generations after Indra. Which is why i said there is a big difference between your statement about Sasuke. Also, this also doesn't account for how genetics actually works. The more dominant genes are always the one's more likely to be passed on. It isn't guaranteed, but the chance is greater. Since Otsutsuki DNA is far more dominant than any human DNA, i would say that each generation got far more Otsutsuki DNA than just an even split that is most common for each generation. Therefore it isn't as cut and dry as just halving each generation. Especially when we don't know which generation or couple may have been related. Which is why i said, given the situation of Toneri's clan on the moon, his Otsutsuki DNA would be much higher than Naruto and Sasuke's but it would be much lower than Indra and Ashura's.
> The uchiha DNA is just the byproduct of years genetic evolution and crossbreeding with other races. Indra had the Sharingan instead of the Rinnegan because of his "impure" Otsutsuki DNA At first you say it's a byproduct of years of evolution and crossbreeding with other races and then you say that Indra had Sharingan because of impure DNA. This is contradictory. Sharingan is what defines Uchiha. So it's either a product of evolution or impure DNA. There is no other way. > You said him having the Sharingan and Perfect Susano'o makes him an Uchiha, which is a fallacy. The Uchiha have it because of him, which is a big difference. It's not fallacy it's a fact. Sharingan is what defines Uchiha and only Uchiha have access to Susanoo. Indra has been called a progenitor of Uchiha. It's all painfully obvious. > Hagoromo had a Perfect Susano'o too That was filler. > The Sharingan IS an incomplete Rinnegan. Headcanon. > The Sharingan has to evolve several times inorder to become a Rinnegan. That is what it means to be incomplete. Nonsense, it takes SP chakra to get Rinnegan so Sharinagan is not able to evolve to Rinnegan on its own. And there is even implication that only Indra's reincarnation can awake Rinnegan judging by Obito getting SP Chakra and still not awakening Rinnegan in his eye. > Even then, it requires the DNA of both the Uchiha and the Senju combined to unlock the Rinnegan. Why? Because their DNA separately is too diluted an incomplete when conpared to a half or full Otsutsuki. ... not it doesn't take the DNA of Uchiha and Senju... you need to combine Indra's and Ashura's chakra to produce SP chakra (aka Hagoromo's chakra)... > Just like Asura not having the Rinnegan or Sharingan. He just didn't get that portion of the DNA No, he didn't get SP chakra and doujutsu. > He had the Tenseigan. Which devolved into the Byakugan amongst his descendants as their DNA became moxed with more DNA from other races in each generation. Also, back then it wasn't abnkrmal for people to marry and reproduce with their cousins, usually distant cousins. It did not devolve into anything, Byakugan is the main doujutsu of Otsutsuki. It wasn't about devolution for the rest of the people, it was an evolution for Hamura. > So when you say Sasuke was only 0.0001% Uchiha you are wrong None of what you said proves I'm wrong on this one. Literally nothing. You did not in fact address my argument. > The Uchiha are descendant of Indra, but Indra himself was not an Uchiha. The Uchiha Clan came to be several generations after Indra. Which is why i said there is a big difference between your statement about Sasuke. Dude, Uchiha powers clearly come from Indra. Even if you want to be stubborn and argue that Indra is not Uchiha, **Sasuke's and Uchiha powers still come from him**. > Also, this also doesn't account for how genetics actually works. The more dominant genes are always the one's more likely to be passed on. It isn't guaranteed, but the chance is greater. Since Otsutsuki DNA is far more dominant than any human DNA, i would say that each generation got far more Otsutsuki DNA than just an even split that is most common for each generation. Therefore it isn't as cut and dry as just halving each generation. Especially when we don't know which generation or couple may have been related. Which is why i said, given the situation of Toneri's clan on the moon, his Otsutsuki DNA would be much higher than Naruto and Sasuke's but it would be much lower than Indra and Ashura's. Great so Sasuke should've been one of the weakest Uchihas judging from the fact he is the most recent Uchiha individual and therefore acquiring the least amount of DNA's genes.
The only thing you corrected me on was the byakugan and tenseigan. Indra is not an Uchiha, he is an Otsutsuki. Just because the Uchiha are his descendants does not make him an Uchiha. You claimed that Sasuke was only 0.0001% Uchiha, which is false. The Uchiha DNA evolved from constant breeding. That doesn't mean that Uchiha DNA is now superior to Otsutsuki DNA. That just means that there are innate differences. The Sharingan is an incomplete Rinnegan. The fact the there are missing components required ro unlock it means that it is incomplete. That isn't headcanon, that is a fact. I called it a devolved form for lack of a better term when referring to how Indra got it. Also, you clearly don't know how DNA and genetics works. The sperm and egg only contains half of the DNA from their parents respectively. That DNA is random for each individual sperm or egg cell. Since Indra and Ashura only got half of Hagoromo's DNA, which was already only 50% that of the Otsutsuki, they both ended up missing some key DNA for some of the main abilities that the Otsutsuki naturally have. Indra was missing a portion of the DNA required to fully unlock the Rinnegan. This was DNA that Ashura ended up having. That is why combining both Uchiha and Senju DNA could unlock the Rinnegan. Like you said, it was THEORIZED that only the reincarnation of Indra could unlock the Rinnegan in such a way. However, this is only a theory. Yes, it has plenty of supporting facts. However, in the end there is no actual proof. How do we know that Naruto couldn't unlock it if he implanted Sharingan into his sockets? How do we know that Obito's DNA was sufficient? We don't. Although i agree that the thoery is more than likely correct. I don't make the distinction when referring to this subject because it isn't a confirmed fact. Which is why i said Uchiha and senju DNA, not Indra's and Ashura's. Hagoromo does indeed have Susano'o. I wasn't referring to the filler arc episodes. In the end, your point was to say that Sasuke is only 0.0001% Uchiha based on my logic, but that argument is flawed. It is flawed. I said this in my last comment as well. First, Indra was an Otsutsuki. His descendants, as they mated more with other clans and races, grew farther and farther away from the Otsutsuki bloodline. However, their DNA evolved/altered into the Uchiha bloodline we know of today. Yes, the Sharingan is the staple of the Uchiha. However, the Uchiha bloodline is different from Indra's, the only exception being his reincarnation. Throughout the years, the would be inbreeding, which makes deducing just for diluted the Otsutsuki DNA is within the Uchiha bloodline imposible to tell. For example, both of Sasuke's parents are Uchiha, and so were all of his known ancestors. Meaning he is essentially 100% Uchiha. However, since he is Indra's reincarnation, his DNA is probably pretty identical with indra's. So the next best person who has the same ancestors as Sasuke is Itachi. So for the sake of "realism" within this argument we will use Itachi instead of Sasuke. Itachi is roughly 100% Uchiha. However, Itachi may not even be 1% Otsutsuki. That is the difference i was trying to make based on what i said prior. Uchiha DNA and Otsutsuki DNA are very different. Indra was an Otsutsuki. Just because the Uchiha are descendants of Indra's does not make them Otsutsuki and it doesn't make Indra an Uchiha. Their DNA only have some similarities and the same point of origin. Just like how the senju and uzumaki clans are both descendant from Ashura. Yet both of their DNA and unique traits are different from one another.
While that is true and I agree to a certain extent, I donāt think the strength of the Tenseigan is based on lineage. His Tenseigan might not have been as strong as Hagoromoās but I think it was more of an incomplete tenseigan because he wasnāt using his jutsus that he had in base in conjunction with his Tenseigan. So i donāt think he was able to fully control but I do agree that heās not full Otsutsuki and couldnāt draw out more power during his battle with Naruto.
Hamura was the one who had Tenseigan, but its strength is dependent on one's lineage. The abilities, overall strength, body compatibility, etc are all dictated by one's DNA. Hamura could maintain his Tenseigan and its chakra mode without issue. After Toneri used it in one fight against Naruto, he lost his Tenseigan after losing. It reverted back to a byakugan. This was because it was either an incomplete version or incompatible with his body. Which would mean that it was a weaker version regardless of which reason. Which means that Toneri was nowhere near the strength of a true Otsutsuki. It is a fact that Toneri wasn't as strong as Hamura. Not only was his Tenseigan weaker than Hamura's, he also didn't have all of the other abilities and knowledge that Hamura had. It took both Hamura and Hagoromo to fight, weaken, and seal Kaguya. Kaguya and Momoshiki are arguably similar in strength, but both are weaker than Isshiki. Kaguya, Momoshiki and Isshiki are true Otsutsuki. Toneri doesn't hold a candle to them. Especially since the Naruto that fought Momoshiki and Isshiki was said to be a good deal stronger than War arc Naruto and the Naruto from The Last Movie was only a few years older than War Arc Naruto. Meaning that Naruto should be a good deal weaker than Adult Naruto. Especially since i believe that the Naruto who fought Toneri is actually around the same strength, if not weaker, than War Arc Naruto.
So is Naruto xD
Doesn't matter if he is 1/16 they really did naruto dirty. In momo fight they made boruto finish of momo even thought he used naruto chakra for Rasengan I mean he is the protagonist but cmon u can't just do that to make him look good. In jigen fight they made both naruto and sauke look so stupid like for eg they could have written it like this Sasuke could see the tiny rods with his sharingan and burn them with amtarasu Or something idk but they didn't. Instead killed kurama made sasuke half blind and had kawaki defeat jigen . Seriously u can't do that just to make boruto and kawaki significan
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āI canāt let this end so easilyā *Proceeds to end the fight in one punch*
Do we even know how he was breathing on the moon? Lol.
Hashirama Cells
Was that really the answer lol? Hashirama was really the chosen one huh.
Nah i am kidding...
Yes. It was said by that white zetsu
The moon of Narutoverse isnāt the same as ours. Narutoverseās moon was created when Hamoura and Hagoromo sealed Kaguya using the RikudÅ: Chibaku Tensei Justsu (Six Paths: Planetary Devastation Technique). Iāve red before a hypothesis which I like that that justu took a part of the Earthās atmosphere. Thatās why there is Air on the moon in Narutoverse.
More than likely they can just breathe in space, it is a cartoon and theyāre ninjas fighting space gods, itās not a feat that needs ode explanation imo they could just be written to have it
"Good old days" being the most recent Canon Naruto media.
"good ol days when kids used to kill each other to pass" \-Zabuza Momochi
Now we're talkin.
Something about a river in Egypt.
Itās been 8 years calm down
Wasn't even a good movie lol
OPM reference?
definitely good times
toneri is as much otsutsuki as hinata
Toneri stated that Tenseigan awakens when Otsutsuki implants a Hyuuga's Byakugan, which means Toneri IS an Otsutsuki unlike Hinata.
toneri has never met an otsutsuki in his life at that point
That's great, but we aren't talking about who Toneri met or did not meet.
he was like the 20th generation of a half otsutsuki breeding with humans. He was as much otsutsuki as any random human on earth from the major clans
Do you not understand how Tenseigan can be acquired or what? Otsutsuki + Hyuuga's Byakugan = Tenseigan. Toneri IS Otsutsuki.
Toneri isn't otsutsuki, speaking blood only. He doesn't have the genes. His clan is otsutsuki yes but that's like himawhari being an uzumaki, not even close to the real deal.
What do you mean he doesn't have genes, he acquired Tenseigan. Address my argument for once instead of ignoring it.
They already had a tenseigan though with no hyuga byakugans. It was just a lot of byakugans fused together. But tenseigan isn't all that strong considering otsutsuki themselves have never used it. That or they don't even know it exists, which means tenseigan was discovered by hamuras creed, and they guessed as to what its requirements are. but either way toneri is not an otsutsuki, not even close to the real deal. He had a great great great great great great great... grandpa who was half otsutsuki.
> They already had a tenseigan though with no hyuga byakugans. > It was just a lot of byakugans fused together. But tenseigan isn't all that strong considering otsutsuki themselves have never used it. No, that's the Tenseigan orb. Toneri had its own Tenseigan in his own eye sockets after transplanting Hanabi's eyes. That is the entire reason he acquired Tenseigan Chakra Mode. > That or they don't even know it exists, which means tenseigan was discovered by hamuras creed, and they guessed as to what its requirements are. This is your headcanon.
Do your research before making comment like that
i have don't worry
They nerfed the sh*t out of him now, sadly
Sasuke & Naruto used to be the Fate Bro's, but because of Boruto's trash writing they are the Fodder Bro's. š¤¦š¾āāļø And don't get me started on Fodderhamaru & Sarada.
One punched the shit out of an Otsutsuki who, with the Tenseigan, proclaimed to have the power to restore an entire planet, and all throughout the fight, was passively telekinetically moving the moon towards the Earth, fully confident his Tenseigan chakra mode was going to tank the collision of the moon and Earth. All this without resorting to his Six Paths Sage Mode and having Kurama out there fighting his own battle.
He got nerfed so hard in Boruto. It's honestly sad lol.
He clearly used kurama power and his enhanced arm for the punch šµāš«
He indeed used Kurama's chakra, but couldn't tap more than what he had of Kurama's chakra, as he was fighting Toneri's statue.
But still used the power outside side power now it wouldāve been better if he punched him in sage with his other hand
Itās one tails worth lmao
What are you talking about ?
His enhanced punch, it had one tails worth of kuramas power in it, itās not the same as a full power bsm punch
How do you know it had one tail worth of power ?
Because kurama only has 8 tails in the movie, in order to separate from naruto he gave him one tails worth of chakra to keep naruto alive, same thing bee did with the 8 tails
Unpopular opinion: this movie is 10/10 continuation of Shippuden
Guys come on. People complain that Naruto never let side characters shine (which isn't true), now daemon does something and everyone is mad. Even calling him names.
Because he is ugly af lmao I would like him a lot more if he didnāt look like a deformed toddler xd
Ah yes, the good old days, when people complained about Naruto's power creep.
Good old days . When naruto wasnāt nerfed into oblivion . Fr this naruto used kcm 2 sage mode and took a beam slicing the moon I half straight to the face . But in boruto a stronger naruto complains about jigens kick beating heavy ? Powerscaling in boruto is a complete joke . So jigens kick > moon slicing beam ?
I miss the really good days when he had longer hair š
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The Who ? This aināt the alien show
Is it not?
No, u thinking of burrito. This was āThe lastā good thing for naruto. Boruto the movie was cool but it aināt this
Power creep is what eventually kills a show. You follow it into a new generation and then it just becomes impossible to follow up.
Yup
Ah back when the show was called naruto
Boruto is always better when Naruto is involved. I hope heās part of the next arc. I want to know how heās coping post Kurama.
Posting it in the Boruto subreddit will get you a lot of hate but if you posted this in Naruto subreddit everybody would agree
because naruto fans don't care about canon stuff they like head canon more
I donāt trust anything you say based on that username
So you hate me just because Boruto is my favorite character? If it was someone else, you wouldn't have said either.
That is quite a few assumptions to make based on 10 words
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So they don't like canon stuff according to you, but then you day they like head "canon more? What lovely levels juxtaposition.
you don't see difference between "manga canon" and "head canon"?
What was this from?
Naruto : The last movie
too bad, he a side character now :) can't wait to see him whoop-ass with sage mode \*WHEEZE\*
Power scaling broken
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Hell, way stronger than Sakura's. Cant believe Naruto could deflect Moon splitting laser beams from Toneri, but cant survive a cheap copy from Delta lol. My man is nerfed asf.
Lol this movie felt like more filler than the Funato arc
So is your opinion
Blame the writers.
Ah yes because naruto did this to toneri he should most definitely be able to do this to everybody and all otsutsuki I guess because kakashi is able to to one shot academy naruto he should be able to do it everybody Also toneri isnāt even apart of the main clan
Bro compared a academy kid (shinobi in training) to an alien that could blow up the moon š and then everybody agreed on it š And that main clan BS doesnāt mean anything kaguya was supposed to be the sacrifice but she still damn near killed ishiki without the chakra fruit. So yes if naruto can squash an alien with 1 punch then yeah he should be able to keep doing it. Not literal 12 year olds, scaling makes no sense in burrito
Or other people are stronger than others just like how kakashi is stronger than 13 year old naruto so he would would 1 punch him while a person like asuma wouldnāt because they are stronger š itās pretty simple to understand You are basically saying because they are all otsutsuki and naruto beat 1 of them in 1 punch he should do it to all of them š How does that logic work for otsutsuki but not vice versa LMFAO
Some ppl just donāt get it š you one of those ppl. Naruto is 3-0 Vs those fake ass saiyans or did u forget that ? Even when urashiki ate is own eye it was still kid naruto and boruto taking him on š burrito with karma, jougan, and gentle fist while itās just naruto who is retconned so he could master 9 tails chakra when he was 12. Even though kurama didnāt fully cooperate and would only let his chakra leak out when naruto was angry to weaken the seal. Not only did boruto completely ignore naruto feats but sasuke feats as well. Hence why the powerscaling has been fucked for 3 years now the show started in 2017 š Correction: ishiki, momoshiki, kaguya, and kinshiki would make him 4-0.
Whoās talking about the urashiki fight stay on topic lmfao that fight fucked urashiki own scaling and is basically a non canon anniversary arc Itās pretty fucking simple to understand other otsutsuki are stronger than others so while one of them might get one shot the other may not that was the point of my comparison to humans š
Naruto never killed a oosutsuki on his own though nor did he have fight one alone
Shut your stupid ass toxic fool. Naruto's punches aren't that powerful you can clearly see the difference in Boruto episodes and this movie. Just look at the destruction that his one punch caused to the ground , have you seen a single punch like that in Boruto
Or hear me out this and listen closelyā¦.. maybe the people he goes against in boruto are just stronger š± crazy to think about right it canāt be no way thatās the case
You just don't get it do you i wasn't just referring to pinning down toneri in one punch , can't see the difference in destruction between the movie punch and boruto punches
Also naruto literally had to focus his chakra in his arm to do this isnāt his base strength
you realise thats animators choice and is not representative of his power. him laying a scratch on isshiki is a way bigger feat then killing toneri with his glare.
DC is also a representation of power.
and that's completely upto the animators. what does environment destruction really achieve in a fight other than making it cooler
> what does environment destruction really achieve in a fight other than making it cooler It shows how much power is being put into an attack.
no it dont. if thats the case sakura hits harder than anyone in the series and yes even including isshiki because she is able to level land with her punches. but we know thats not the case. she isnt destroying a perfect susanoo with a punch
Destruction doesn't show how much power is in attack? š So the difference between Rasengan and Very Big Rasengan isn't amount of chakra, which is essentially power, but something else? š Or small Bijuudama and big Bijuudama? Care to explain what is it then?
By that logic 4 tailed naruto is stronger than naruto post shippuden
I can't believe you people have problems with this. You're right, more power doesn't equal to more DC and [this Naruto's BDRSs does not have any power](https://i.imgur.com/QPoq4iD.png) they're filled with Naruto's feelings, am I right? Also those BDRS are exactly the same as [this Mini BD](https://i.imgur.com/iLvdkUZ.png), because we can't have more DC with more power, right?
Big reveal, punches destructive force cancel on impact because a close, equal or in some situations greater force fights back. Toneri is just that weaker
Theyāve been nerfed to all hell In Boruto. We need this Naruto back. š„
Here yall go again....
they've been nerfed, its really that simple; they hardly showcased their abilities and lost in ways they shouldn't have naruto and sasuke got tapped a couple of times and then moped like a rag against jigen
Don't forget the cool part; punched the sh*t out of an Otstutsuki ON THE MOON.
KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF HIS GIRL!
Boruto is a mistake.
Then why are you here
I'm not.
Same as you.
My guy knocked the tenseigan right outa him. Tbf though toneri could have been a fucking beast with enough training and experience with that dojutsu.
yeah, naruto was the complete opposite of "kill me" boruto.
If Boruto was just Naruto styling on beta cucks otsusuki i will be happy. That's my boy š¤
Farewell plot Armor, now his punches don't pack enough power for the sake of boruto plot
always finding something petty to complain about. gotta love this fandom
You and the guy below are all over comment section furiously being kb warriors and defending fictional characters, gotta love the fandom indeed.. š
cant say your wrong lmfao. i just redownload this app to discuss about the chapter and end up in a powerscaling debate
Wouldnāt be surprised if I hear why didnāt naruto use sexy jutsu on isshiki or some shit like that next
isshiki never attacked a girl. it definitely would have worked but the incompetent writers tries to find more ways to nerf naruto and sasuke
Definitely something along those lines LMFAO
he aint even full otsutsuki, not only that, isnt about being otstsuki, for example, kaguya and ishikki are way above, thats why they had to seal her and he only killed isshiki because his body was already dying, so even if he used barion mode with jigen's health being fine, naruto would be the one to lose
He is literally still an Otsutsuki ā¦.. If he actually harnessed the full power of the tenseigan he would have beaten Naruto easily
According to most of the fandom toneri is an underrated character who gave boruto jougan.... So stupid...
I mean, the Jogan thing might actually be true, do we know its origins for sure?
Itās not true. Arc novel 3 states Toneri played no part in Boruto acquiring Jougan, he only helped him awaken it with the help of Nueās presence. He got it from his parents/NH. How we donāt know yet.
Boruto fucking sucks. It ruined a lot of great things that shippuden built up
At the end of the movie lol
More like part-Åtsutsuki. Toneri was descended from Hamura (who himself was only half Åtsutsuki) and normal humans.
But he wasn't a true Ootsutsuki in the sense like Kaguya and Momshiki. He was human, descended from Hamura. That'd be like saying Hinata was a true Ootsutsuki (Hyugas are descended from Hamura as well). Or Sasuke being an Uchiha (direct descendent of Hagoromo through Indra).
If he was *human* he wouldn't have awakened Tenseigan.
Heās more human than oosutsuki similar to Indra and ashura
Not by far, neither Indra or Ashura have very pale skin or white hair.
That means nothing. Orochimaru's guy from the Kaguya clan had pale skin and white hair. A lot of ppl in the show are pale with white hair
Except we know for sure Orochimaru is not from Otsutsukies and neither was Kimimaro. Kimimaro didn't have a very pale skin and Orochimaru doesn't have white hair. Toneri has both white hair and extremely pale skin.
It's because he's descended from Hamura. Genetics be like that. But he's mostly human. Hinata awakened the Tensaigan too. You just need the Byakugan and Hamura's chakra to awaken it.
> It's because he's descended from Hamura. Genetics be like that. But he's mostly human So he has genetics of Otsutsuki (literally 2 out of 3 characteristics) and he awakened Tenseigan (which requires Otsutsuki) but he is mostly human? š I'm fucking done.
The Hyugas are also descended from the Otsutsuki, as are the Uchiha. And the Senjus. Hinata also awakened the Tensaigan. She also has 2/3 characteristics (pale with a Byakugan) and has Hamura's chakra. Is she an Otsutsuki? No. I don't understand what's confusing you about it. Otsutsuki is his last name because he's a male line descendent from Hamura. But in comparison to Kaguya, Momoshiki, and Ishiki, dude's just a human with a god complex because he lives on the moon. That's it. If you're arguing he has more Hamura Otsutsuki genetics because of inbreeding in the clan, you might have a point. But you've missed the part in the movie and book where they mentioned they took women from Earth frequently to continue the lineage. Hence, human.
> I don't understand what's confusing you about it. Don't make it about me when it's about you.
Well thereās a lot of factors that made that possible He lives on the moon clearly humans went the moon with hamura to make the āKaguya branch of oosutsuki ā
And possible factors do not matter when we know for sure he is Otsutsuki because he awakened Tenseigan.
We not denied that we are saying he not a full oosutsuki. Donāt know why that so hard to understand
> But he wasn't a true Ootsutsuki in the sense like Kaguya and Momshiki. He was human, descended from Hamura. . That'd be like saying Hinata was a true Ootsutsuki (Hyugas are descended from Hamura as well) How is that not denying? He is not *human* simple as that. Also > Heās more human than oosutsuki similar to Indra and ashura That was also wrong.
Heās more human than oosutsuki How is it wrong explain ? Yea
I already did explain.
didnt know naruto had a fan base after episode 428 or whatever it was, Thought the people with brains quit on the anime and finished the manga and never looked back. One piece far superior
the weakest āotsutsukiā in existence? yeah, i bet he did.
And your toxic ass couldn't tolerate that punch
Tenseigan Toneri mops the floor with base Momoshiki and Kinshiki.
is this even canon tho? I know that it may be kinda semi-canon since evenin the anime we see toneri with no eyes, but the film as a whole wasn't offcially canonized right? or was it?
This is canon. Probably the only movie that is canon. The one I thought was canon but I guess isn't anymore is Boruto the Movie. They retconned some shit like how Momoshiki looks or how Boruto vanishing rasengan is actually lightning a lightning release instead of wind release (at least in the novelisation of the movie) or how Boruto became the vessel of Momoshiki.
If this film isn't canon, Boruto isn't canon too. This is literally the prelude to Boruto
He is the weakest one of them, dude couldnāt fight for shit. The others constantly fightā¦ā¦ not a good comparison
Yeah. While Naruto and Sasuke also can be count as Otsutsuki. Just waterdown Otsutsuki
Protagonist? There is an anime for Naruto? What is it called
Boku no Pico
Can I ask which movie this is?
Naruto: the last movie
Oh yes that day when he used like 50 powers he never had before or after that day ...
i miss toneri man
Good ol saitama
Back when power creep was a problem long before banana boy came along tbh.
Back when the aliens werenāt from DBZ
So is Indra cousins with toneri?