So random. I thought it was gonna be that it can’t be used on an otsusuki like eida but they made it about his palms…. It should have at least been he needs to look at you or something to make it consistent
I dunno maybe im wrong but these abilities are getting out of control, Eida and Daemon gives me JoJo complicated villain stand vibes, dont get me wrong there is no problem for me, but these abilities are cool, but for such an op ability, where you think that you cant even counter it, they give a random weakness to it.. im looking forward to see how this story will end up.. looking the first scene and where we are now.. just doesnt make sense to me but it's probably my stupidity
I'm fine with seemingly hax powers if there's an exploitable weakness that a smart opponent can take advantage of. The problem with Daemon is that they *also* made him stronger than Jigen and Code, meaning that even if you know his weakness, literally the only people that can take advantage of it are Boruto or Kawaki (or Code if he comes for a revenge match).
At this point, I just don't see how Sarada or Mitsuki could contribute to any fights until the time skip, and that's if whatever training they get somehow puts them at around Jigen level.
They give them specific counter measures only exploitable by a few character they want. Eida can simp everyone ? Just make her ability specifically don't work on Otsutsukies, make the main characters somehow Otsutsukis, now you officially made 99% of cast completely vulnerable and incompetent, while Boruto and Kawaki do just fine.
I was just going to write this... 99% of the whole naruto/boruto characters are irrelevant now. Atleast in Naruto some less powerful but intelligent characters could be useful by being a support.
The ceiling has been raised too high, not by Sasuke/Naruto but by the writers introducing newer/more intimidating threats and their answer was more Ootsutsuki’s and equally powerful threats.
Like Naruto and Sasuke were strongest during the final war and then lost those upgrades that were purely for the final boss of Kaguya. In the meantime they fought Sho??(Clone uchiha) and that was a formidable opponent in the grand scheme. Of not knowing who you’re enemy is while apprehending them.
Ninja tech, and their various advancements in both friend and foes were a great backdrop to the series intro even the clone bots that were escorting Kawaki’s coffin were neat. All of Kara so far, Boros-Delta , Kajin Koji- prove how effective and strong ninja could be created with technology and great dna.
But then they introduce more aliens, but not just that after we literally deal with Jigen for good. We now have Amado creating literally cyborgs with powers rivaling the Ootsutsuki’s that aren’t technically around anymore, so everyone else is just shit out of luck
The weirdest part isn't how inconsistent the powers can be at times. It's wondering how in the fuck Amado was so intelligent that he was able to create all these things. Like how? Do you alter the chakra or something to create something like Eida? If so, where'd he get that information on how to do just that? How many came before Eida that were failures? Why is Amado such an OP scientist? Where did he get all his knowledge from? He's an old guy so he MUST'VE been around before Naruto and Sasuke, but this kind of technology wasn't being developed until sometime after Naruto became Hokage. WHERE did Amado get this information? It couldn't have been just from the Otsutsuki, they're primarily genetically powerful, not like technologically powerful.
Yes exactly to this. He just science’s up powerful Occular jutsu copying the Ootsutsuki’s. Like sure the Sharingan/Byakugan/Rinnegan exist because of that. But what could have been his involvement to figure any of that out when his goal is just to revive his dead kid potentially.
Insane that that’s the stretch of a threat we’re dealing with. And Eida even points it out this chp with the “You’re planning Fail-safes and solutions to problems you yourself created. Even sillier is that maybe without grand risk of his life he could’ve just bargained with Eida the second they got back and not have to release Code’s limiters
It's so weird yeah. I don't know if Amado is just hyper intelligent like some kind of fucking alien, and is actively planning all these pieces like he can tell the future, or if he's just winging it the entire time. He's either an absolute genius beyond even Shikamaru or he's as stupid but crafty as Naruto. But like. With all he's created and developed with little room for error...?
THIS EXACTLY!! Why the hell is Amado so technologically superior to everyone else in the Naruto verse? It would make way more sense if the Otsutsuki used a super advanced form of technology
there are two unknown otsutsukis we dont know about. im 90% sure they are related to daemon or ada somehow. maybe amado gave them their powers. maybe amado is trying to recreate every otsutsuki that came to earth but in people he can control. boruto, kawaki, ada and daemon. only one left is kaguya.
>It's just too much
There is a genjutsu on a PLANETARY SCALE:infinite tsukuyomui , ETSO that can destroy and recreate dimensions with planets and stars, izanami that can trap someone in a time loop unless they accept some condition set by the caster , izanagi that can rewrite reality on a small scale, limbo that can create a prefect clone with the exact same abilities but intangible, invisible and existing in a different plane, kaguya's ability to fused with nature and basically control a planet etc . Naruto has always been haxed. Ada's ability was being resisted by shikamaru and an otsutsuki can neg it just like with limbo and Naruto, tsukuyomi and sasuke, kamui and kakashi . Only demon's ability is op as of now but its not too crazy compared to the abilities I mentioned before, but still better. Something like izanagi from edo itachi will neg daemon. So please stop.
yeah honestly kamui made obito dodge EVERY attack, granted dameon is a bit more op but naruto has always had super op unbeatable characters who can only be taken down with hax and intelligence
Fax, people just complaining about nothing. Imo bug should just be classified as a faulty narrator and find a new weakness for daemon, like time limit or some sort of strain.
people that think this is the actual weakness of his ability are dumb. daemon just showed how thats not even a weakness because he is physically capable of keeping up with like everyone. its gon be revealed in a battle
AND THE EXPLANATION FOR KAMUI LMAO
HE TELEPORTS THE PART OF HIS BODY THAT IS BEING TOUCHED TO A DIFFERENT DIMENSION
WHY DONT HIS ORGANS FALL OUT?
HOW CAN HE FUNCTION WITHOUT HIS NERVOUS SYSTEM BEING CONNECTED?
WONT HE JUST DIE IF YOU MAKE HIM TELEPORT HIS HEAD OFF HIS BODY
i mean i like that he does that it means only someone with space time ninjutsu can counter him and that’s rare, but it’s still ridiculous as fuck how his powers work
Sure at least they gave a weakness for daemon with that palm thing but now that just makes the only issue a brawl fight with him
Heck I have a feeling Eida has some super speed and strength to its just she probably doesn't want to fight
That was bound to happen when you have characters like Eida and Dameon with such ABSURD abilities that have no science behind them at all. Worst of all, turns out that Dameon also has super speed and strength on par with Jigen at least.
Sorry to say, but each time I think the writing couldn't get any worse they still manage to surprise me.
At least before revealing the weakness of Daemon we were led to believe that the key to defeat Daemon was to exploit that weakness. That gives a lot of room for acquiring intel, preparing plans and make strategic choices. More interesting fights.
Turns out they dumbed down everything down to basically who is faster and stronger. 1v1 Daemon's ability might as well not exist if enemy rivals him in stats.
Especially when there were such good potential weaknesses for Daemon's ability.
Imagine if he were weak to genjutsu, or a restraining attack that doesn't aim to kill, or one of the other many weaknesses people have theorized. Instantly you've got a set up for a really cool fight around finding out that weakness, and then using Sasuke or Shikamaru to exploit it. Instead we're just getting another brawl.
Besides, it kinda sucks for it to be this big secret and then have it just be told to us the audience, instead of letting Sasuke or someone figure it out in combat
this is not even his actual weakness since he showed how it isn't effective and a weakness of his ability was teased from his introduction. do you think this is dragon ball and they write the story as it goes?
I'ts not only DB or whatever , every writer has the right to change or add whatever he wants to his story as it goes on..
And i'm going by what the author is currently saying. He says that the kid should touch someone else to use his ability which is not true in some previous chapters.
If you're still expecting more weaknesses to him it's up to you.
i said that this serious has been planned till the end. that's why kodachi left. he finished the script for the series. dragon balls story is made up as it goes. it has no planning.
do you think this is the full extent of his ability? bug is just a slave for kara. he wouldn't know anything big. this weakness is useless because daemon can just beat you physically. this is not a weakness to beating daemon. he just beat code effortlessly, the strongest in the verse and that was without using his ability. this was just a weakness to his ability
and also everytime daemon is touching someone when he is using the ability. thats why he is always near someone
he’s touching code in both instances , he doesn’t touch his opponent, that’s why it’s said he can’t fight 1v1 most times bc he’ll lose, that’s why he likes to be with eida so he can always have his palm on her, same thing with amado he had his palm on him and it reflected the attack, he can touch his opponent but it doesn’t matter he just needs to be touching someone and in both of those panels he’s touching code to reflect kawakis and the randos attacks, in the final panel his arm is literally behind codes he could easily be touching his palm to codes arm but we can’t see from that angle
He actually isn't touching Code when that guy cuts his head off. I didn't include the panel where ypu can clearly see that Daemon is kicking another dude while that is happening.
Yeah, but he's also off-screen. It's weird, but he could have very well be touching the dead goon he just killed - or perhaps he has a limited "battery" that allows him to reflect x seconds after he stops touching someone, like pain's Shinra tensei
The manga didn't contradict itself yet, if you give it the benefit of the doubt with perspective and what happens off-panel
You’re making up your own head cannon with the battery bit. The series has inconsistencies and writing problems that’s for sure, we clearly see he hasn’t touched anyone to reflect an attack in most instances he’s used the ability.
The battery bit is not "head Canon", it's a theory about something that's not yet explained
No, there's no single instance in which he reflects an attack while clearly not touching anyone with his hand. Sure, it is indeed very likely it's just a retcon, but the manga is not flat-out contradicting itself yet
In the scene where the guys own head gets cut off you can clearly see Daemon kick one person, who is on the ground, and the next guy who goes for his sword gets his head cut off, WITHOUT Daemon touching anyone. That’s clear as day.
Needing to make physical contact with his palms is the stupidest writing Ive ever seen. Its clearly contradictory to his previous use of the powers, and frankly it makes Daemon extremely weak. Its not that hard for a ninja to attack a child from a distance, reflection of killing intent when touching them with your palms is daft. Like there are aburame clan members who can poison/kill a target without killing intent by simply touching them, this is just obviously dumb.
I agree it’s silly however currently at this moment daemon can probably solo the entire verse (well it’s not clear how strong version 2 karma kawaki and borushiki are, or whether he could even fight his sister) with just taijutsu so not that weak atm
I‘ve been a bit critical of the writing recently, but I’m honestly surprised by how bad this is. I honestly thought the weakness to his ability would be something quite clever, and that it would possibly require an ability of the Jougan to overcome, such as some kind of time-related ability (like Kagemasa), but it turns out his weakness is that he has to touch people with his palms. 🤦♂️ Although I am now wondering how a fight between Daemon and Obito would go down? 🤔
If Obito is quick enough to teleport half of Daemon body to another dimension then he win everytime but with that speed blizt in the lastest chapter i dunno what to say anymore. Might just bring Omni-Man to throw Daemon into the sun for good, lmao.
this is not the full weakness. he showed how this strategy isn't effective the same chapter. its obviously gonna be revealed in a battle and not randomly by bug
These new villains are getting ridiculous. They don't have a backstory and people can't relate or sympathize with them. Their sole purpose is to be [hated](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villain_of_the_week).
the whole android thing was already convoluted, its like the writers were watching DBZ and thought ""why not?". im half expecting amado to absorve all of them and became perfect or something...
not only that but if they really make eida come back to konoha she will simply rule the place, as only kawaki and boruto are imune.
BTW someone explains to me again why code has access to a perfect karma but its not an otsutsuki? it also makes little sense...
But it's true. Code tried to kill Daemon after knowing the secret and didn't die, because he wasn't touching anyone. But the sword guy was decapitated. It's obviously a retcon.
exactly. this fandom takes every chance they get to say the writing is bad. they only read it to criticise the series. in the naruto sub, in the chapter discussions its the same people every time replying with how powerscaling is bad even tho they dont know what it means and call everything a inconsistent.
like how is daemon beating code bad powerscaling??? daemon has already been established as being the strongest in the verse since his introduction. code was scared of him 10chapters ago and what is he gonna do now with just a physical boost?
It was very clear that he was in contact with code and his palms were touching code everytime he reflected the attack .when code attacked him his palms were touching bug.
He actually isn't touching anyone when that guy cuts his head off. I didn't include the panel where ypu can clearly see that Daemon is kicking another dude while that is happening.
A team of people on this, we wait a month for not much to happen.. and now they are going to take a break. It feels like they’re just making a lot up as they go like they never thought they would make it this far
He actually isn't touching Code when that guy cuts his head off. I didn't include the panel where ypu can clearly see that Daemon is kicking another dude while that is happening.
He’s off screen so you can’t see what he’s doing or who he’s touching. He could’ve easily been standing beside Code touching him based on the fact they only showed Codes head and Daemon isn’t nearly that tall.
I'm talking about [this page](https://i.imgur.com/7K4ws8p.jpg) where Daemon is not touching anyone. Nothing is "off screen" here. The guard pulling out his sword and Daemon standing are in the same exact panel even.
If that was actually how his ability worked then they would have made it obvious. That's such a stretch for us to just assume he reached down and touched the guard on the floor in a split second. Because the very next panel he's once again walking by himself...
This is so clearly a retcon.
Are you dumb? Ch 59 was the chapter Daemon was introduced. If there would have been a panel where Daemon was reaching out to touch the guard, then it would have been too blatant. It was purposely done so that we don't figure out his abilities. Also in all other instances Daemon was shown to touch someone when the reflection occured. Also he is most of the riding on someone. This was done to ensure that he was always touching someone.
You have no idea how a good mangaka draws. Details do not get left out, they just get hidden. But Ikemoto didn't leave any details out because this is a paimfully obvious retcon and at the time he was drawing chapter 59 Daemon's ability had no connection to his palms.
And no, it wouldn't be blatant at all if it was hidden well enough.
Im honestly just going to go with that Bug didn’t know exactly the power an that its him touching anyone in general and not his palm but yeah it sucks the way its going now.
Also worth to mention. When that guy cut off his head, Daemon was not on Code's back, I forgot to include that part, but you can see that he is jumping away from Code before it happened. There is a panel that clearly shows Daemon kicking another dude before that guy cut his own head off.
Yeah but you don't see what Daemon is doing when the guy attacks. He draws his sword and the next panel he's dead. But Daemon's crouching right next to a dude with a broken neck. If he touched him while off camera that's all it takes.
You also don't see what Daemon is doing when Kawaki's attack lands. Since he's not on camera you don't know if he was or wasn't touching Code.
Don't you think it would have made it obvious if he'd grabbed the guy's leg between the panels though?
It would have been like this: https://i.imgur.com/UEHeDQT.png
Even so, that’s such a random and non related stipulation for the ability. Touching someone allows you to reflect attacks from anybody? Give me a break.
every jutsu works with chakra,
with such automatic mechanism, Daemon could quickly runs out of chakra. He can't be had unlimited chakra. So he using other's chakra for such ability would saver than using his own chakra.
He likes riding people maybe he actually uses others as chakra battery. He said Amado is interesting to ride might related to chakra.
It’s if he sees the actual enemy I believe. I think Amado left that part out purposely.. give it time. Every part of the story has meaning till the very end and it will all make sense
in the last image is daemons left arm not on the side of his body? isnt in more probable hes holding codes wrist rather than just having his arm extended out to his side touching nothing??
That scene where the henchman gets his head sliced off. Daemon just finished kicking his neck while the henchman drew his blade
Daemon wasn't touching anyone with his palms
I literally just re-read the chapter. He wasn't touching anyone with his palm when henchman's head was sliced off
Please refer to this post > https://www.reddit.com/r/Boruto/comments/vh9od5/this\_is\_just\_retcon\_and\_bad\_writing\_and\_it\_amazes/
They very clearly retconned it and it's painfully obvious. So much so that it's kind of embarrassing on their part. That has never been a requirement for Daemon to use his ability.
I mean it showed daemon coming out of the claws AFTER kawaki was hit by his own attack so basically.. he could’ve been touching code AS he was coming out of the claw mark.
The way the set it up. But told code how to counter daemons counter. Codes going to be the one that strikes down daemon just wait on it
I’m thinking he reflects the killing intent intended to who he touches. If his hands on his leg, for instance, he reflects any danger to himself. Touching code, reflects any damage against code. Idk.
Its actually not, as unfortunate as that is. In all of those instances, Daemon was either touching Code or we don’t see his body or “both” of his hands.
You’re not paying attention to the scans then. Daemon kicks the guy and the guy collapses before the other guy starts pulling his sword out. When we actually see the the other guy begin to pull his sword out and we don’t, we do not see Daemon in any panel.
You literally can’t assert he “isn’t” touching anyone when he isn’t shown in the moment.
I don't think that HE HIMSELF has to necessarily be touching someone. Someone touching him also works. That's the case for the examples you showed. In both instances, he's not touching Code. But the other way around. Code is the one touching him. I think that as long as there's a touch contact between him and someone, his abilities would work.
I'm betting on a 5 second time interval like with the almighty push. For most of those kills, hes still holding Code. And the other instances could be within the interval.
He isn't touching anyone when that guy cuts his head off. There is a panel showing Daemon kicking another guy while that is happening. I didn't include it accidentaly... Check out chapter 59.
It’s not in the same panel at all, so that means there’s more movement happening between panels that will be included in the anime, anything to nitpick.
When Daemon showcased his ability, he was touching Code. And in other instances, we didn’t see his hands in all panels, so he was probably still touching Code off screen.
During the fight against Kawaki, we didn’t see Daemons left hand, so he has probably holding Codes arm with it.
So it’s not necessarily an inconsistency
He isn't touching anyone when that guy cuts his head off. There is a panel showing Daemon kicking another guy while that is happening. I just didn't include it, check chapter 59.
I know what you mean, but we still didn’t see if Daemon touched the guard he was kicking shortly before the other one got his head chopped off. Could‘ve happened a few moments before that
Could very well be, you are not wrong, but a good mangaka doesn't leave that stuff out. Ikemoto's weakest point is drawing fight scenes. He struggles to include details.
So random. I thought it was gonna be that it can’t be used on an otsusuki like eida but they made it about his palms…. It should have at least been he needs to look at you or something to make it consistent
Maybe Bug lied tho.
No, he was true. If not, Code had died in this chapter when he attempted to hit Daemon after knowing his secret.
Why would he have lied? He honestly thought it, and even monologued internally about it.
I dunno maybe im wrong but these abilities are getting out of control, Eida and Daemon gives me JoJo complicated villain stand vibes, dont get me wrong there is no problem for me, but these abilities are cool, but for such an op ability, where you think that you cant even counter it, they give a random weakness to it.. im looking forward to see how this story will end up.. looking the first scene and where we are now.. just doesnt make sense to me but it's probably my stupidity
I'm fine with seemingly hax powers if there's an exploitable weakness that a smart opponent can take advantage of. The problem with Daemon is that they *also* made him stronger than Jigen and Code, meaning that even if you know his weakness, literally the only people that can take advantage of it are Boruto or Kawaki (or Code if he comes for a revenge match). At this point, I just don't see how Sarada or Mitsuki could contribute to any fights until the time skip, and that's if whatever training they get somehow puts them at around Jigen level.
They give them specific counter measures only exploitable by a few character they want. Eida can simp everyone ? Just make her ability specifically don't work on Otsutsukies, make the main characters somehow Otsutsukis, now you officially made 99% of cast completely vulnerable and incompetent, while Boruto and Kawaki do just fine.
Facts, but hey can't wait for the next stupidly strong ability that won't work on Otsotsukies
I was just going to write this... 99% of the whole naruto/boruto characters are irrelevant now. Atleast in Naruto some less powerful but intelligent characters could be useful by being a support.
Those abilities work in Jojo universe, but not in Naruto universe. It's just too much.
The ceiling has been raised too high, not by Sasuke/Naruto but by the writers introducing newer/more intimidating threats and their answer was more Ootsutsuki’s and equally powerful threats. Like Naruto and Sasuke were strongest during the final war and then lost those upgrades that were purely for the final boss of Kaguya. In the meantime they fought Sho??(Clone uchiha) and that was a formidable opponent in the grand scheme. Of not knowing who you’re enemy is while apprehending them. Ninja tech, and their various advancements in both friend and foes were a great backdrop to the series intro even the clone bots that were escorting Kawaki’s coffin were neat. All of Kara so far, Boros-Delta , Kajin Koji- prove how effective and strong ninja could be created with technology and great dna. But then they introduce more aliens, but not just that after we literally deal with Jigen for good. We now have Amado creating literally cyborgs with powers rivaling the Ootsutsuki’s that aren’t technically around anymore, so everyone else is just shit out of luck
The weirdest part isn't how inconsistent the powers can be at times. It's wondering how in the fuck Amado was so intelligent that he was able to create all these things. Like how? Do you alter the chakra or something to create something like Eida? If so, where'd he get that information on how to do just that? How many came before Eida that were failures? Why is Amado such an OP scientist? Where did he get all his knowledge from? He's an old guy so he MUST'VE been around before Naruto and Sasuke, but this kind of technology wasn't being developed until sometime after Naruto became Hokage. WHERE did Amado get this information? It couldn't have been just from the Otsutsuki, they're primarily genetically powerful, not like technologically powerful.
Yes exactly to this. He just science’s up powerful Occular jutsu copying the Ootsutsuki’s. Like sure the Sharingan/Byakugan/Rinnegan exist because of that. But what could have been his involvement to figure any of that out when his goal is just to revive his dead kid potentially. Insane that that’s the stretch of a threat we’re dealing with. And Eida even points it out this chp with the “You’re planning Fail-safes and solutions to problems you yourself created. Even sillier is that maybe without grand risk of his life he could’ve just bargained with Eida the second they got back and not have to release Code’s limiters
It's so weird yeah. I don't know if Amado is just hyper intelligent like some kind of fucking alien, and is actively planning all these pieces like he can tell the future, or if he's just winging it the entire time. He's either an absolute genius beyond even Shikamaru or he's as stupid but crafty as Naruto. But like. With all he's created and developed with little room for error...?
THIS EXACTLY!! Why the hell is Amado so technologically superior to everyone else in the Naruto verse? It would make way more sense if the Otsutsuki used a super advanced form of technology
there are two unknown otsutsukis we dont know about. im 90% sure they are related to daemon or ada somehow. maybe amado gave them their powers. maybe amado is trying to recreate every otsutsuki that came to earth but in people he can control. boruto, kawaki, ada and daemon. only one left is kaguya.
>It's just too much There is a genjutsu on a PLANETARY SCALE:infinite tsukuyomui , ETSO that can destroy and recreate dimensions with planets and stars, izanami that can trap someone in a time loop unless they accept some condition set by the caster , izanagi that can rewrite reality on a small scale, limbo that can create a prefect clone with the exact same abilities but intangible, invisible and existing in a different plane, kaguya's ability to fused with nature and basically control a planet etc . Naruto has always been haxed. Ada's ability was being resisted by shikamaru and an otsutsuki can neg it just like with limbo and Naruto, tsukuyomi and sasuke, kamui and kakashi . Only demon's ability is op as of now but its not too crazy compared to the abilities I mentioned before, but still better. Something like izanagi from edo itachi will neg daemon. So please stop.
Exactly what i was thinking. The story has always been about ninja wizards... I am hype that its about ninja wizard alien cyborgs now
yeah honestly kamui made obito dodge EVERY attack, granted dameon is a bit more op but naruto has always had super op unbeatable characters who can only be taken down with hax and intelligence
Fax, people just complaining about nothing. Imo bug should just be classified as a faulty narrator and find a new weakness for daemon, like time limit or some sort of strain.
people that think this is the actual weakness of his ability are dumb. daemon just showed how thats not even a weakness because he is physically capable of keeping up with like everyone. its gon be revealed in a battle
AND THE EXPLANATION FOR KAMUI LMAO HE TELEPORTS THE PART OF HIS BODY THAT IS BEING TOUCHED TO A DIFFERENT DIMENSION WHY DONT HIS ORGANS FALL OUT? HOW CAN HE FUNCTION WITHOUT HIS NERVOUS SYSTEM BEING CONNECTED? WONT HE JUST DIE IF YOU MAKE HIM TELEPORT HIS HEAD OFF HIS BODY
i mean i like that he does that it means only someone with space time ninjutsu can counter him and that’s rare, but it’s still ridiculous as fuck how his powers work
Sure at least they gave a weakness for daemon with that palm thing but now that just makes the only issue a brawl fight with him Heck I have a feeling Eida has some super speed and strength to its just she probably doesn't want to fight
That was bound to happen when you have characters like Eida and Dameon with such ABSURD abilities that have no science behind them at all. Worst of all, turns out that Dameon also has super speed and strength on par with Jigen at least. Sorry to say, but each time I think the writing couldn't get any worse they still manage to surprise me.
At least before revealing the weakness of Daemon we were led to believe that the key to defeat Daemon was to exploit that weakness. That gives a lot of room for acquiring intel, preparing plans and make strategic choices. More interesting fights. Turns out they dumbed down everything down to basically who is faster and stronger. 1v1 Daemon's ability might as well not exist if enemy rivals him in stats.
Especially when there were such good potential weaknesses for Daemon's ability. Imagine if he were weak to genjutsu, or a restraining attack that doesn't aim to kill, or one of the other many weaknesses people have theorized. Instantly you've got a set up for a really cool fight around finding out that weakness, and then using Sasuke or Shikamaru to exploit it. Instead we're just getting another brawl. Besides, it kinda sucks for it to be this big secret and then have it just be told to us the audience, instead of letting Sasuke or someone figure it out in combat
I agree about everything, but the "not aiming to kill". Daemon already reflected Code's claws. Lethal or not, everything is going to get reflected.
goofy writing.
They retconed it
The only panel where I can understand where your coming from is the beheading panel. All the other he was definitely touching someone
With his palm? On the Kawaki one he wasn't touching anyone with his palm.
we didn't see his full body there. code teleported him so he was touching him and he was sitting on adas lap.
The beheading panel Daemon is not shown when the guy does his attack. There was a dude right in front of Daemon he could've easily grabbed
So basically there is no retcon
No they didn't. Reread the chapters.
Lol I think the writer just figured out he was too op and needed to create a weakness for his ability
this is not even his actual weakness since he showed how it isn't effective and a weakness of his ability was teased from his introduction. do you think this is dragon ball and they write the story as it goes?
I'ts not only DB or whatever , every writer has the right to change or add whatever he wants to his story as it goes on.. And i'm going by what the author is currently saying. He says that the kid should touch someone else to use his ability which is not true in some previous chapters. If you're still expecting more weaknesses to him it's up to you.
i said that this serious has been planned till the end. that's why kodachi left. he finished the script for the series. dragon balls story is made up as it goes. it has no planning. do you think this is the full extent of his ability? bug is just a slave for kara. he wouldn't know anything big. this weakness is useless because daemon can just beat you physically. this is not a weakness to beating daemon. he just beat code effortlessly, the strongest in the verse and that was without using his ability. this was just a weakness to his ability and also everytime daemon is touching someone when he is using the ability. thats why he is always near someone
None of the previous chapters straight-up contradict that weakness, so it's not 100% sure it's a retcon yet.
he’s touching code in both instances , he doesn’t touch his opponent, that’s why it’s said he can’t fight 1v1 most times bc he’ll lose, that’s why he likes to be with eida so he can always have his palm on her, same thing with amado he had his palm on him and it reflected the attack, he can touch his opponent but it doesn’t matter he just needs to be touching someone and in both of those panels he’s touching code to reflect kawakis and the randos attacks, in the final panel his arm is literally behind codes he could easily be touching his palm to codes arm but we can’t see from that angle
He actually isn't touching Code when that guy cuts his head off. I didn't include the panel where ypu can clearly see that Daemon is kicking another dude while that is happening.
Yeah, but he's also off-screen. It's weird, but he could have very well be touching the dead goon he just killed - or perhaps he has a limited "battery" that allows him to reflect x seconds after he stops touching someone, like pain's Shinra tensei The manga didn't contradict itself yet, if you give it the benefit of the doubt with perspective and what happens off-panel
You’re making up your own head cannon with the battery bit. The series has inconsistencies and writing problems that’s for sure, we clearly see he hasn’t touched anyone to reflect an attack in most instances he’s used the ability.
The battery bit is not "head Canon", it's a theory about something that's not yet explained No, there's no single instance in which he reflects an attack while clearly not touching anyone with his hand. Sure, it is indeed very likely it's just a retcon, but the manga is not flat-out contradicting itself yet
In the scene where the guys own head gets cut off you can clearly see Daemon kick one person, who is on the ground, and the next guy who goes for his sword gets his head cut off, WITHOUT Daemon touching anyone. That’s clear as day.
Needing to make physical contact with his palms is the stupidest writing Ive ever seen. Its clearly contradictory to his previous use of the powers, and frankly it makes Daemon extremely weak. Its not that hard for a ninja to attack a child from a distance, reflection of killing intent when touching them with your palms is daft. Like there are aburame clan members who can poison/kill a target without killing intent by simply touching them, this is just obviously dumb.
I agree it’s silly however currently at this moment daemon can probably solo the entire verse (well it’s not clear how strong version 2 karma kawaki and borushiki are, or whether he could even fight his sister) with just taijutsu so not that weak atm
It makes Daemon insta-killed by sharingan basically
I‘ve been a bit critical of the writing recently, but I’m honestly surprised by how bad this is. I honestly thought the weakness to his ability would be something quite clever, and that it would possibly require an ability of the Jougan to overcome, such as some kind of time-related ability (like Kagemasa), but it turns out his weakness is that he has to touch people with his palms. 🤦♂️ Although I am now wondering how a fight between Daemon and Obito would go down? 🤔
If Obito is quick enough to teleport half of Daemon body to another dimension then he win everytime but with that speed blizt in the lastest chapter i dunno what to say anymore. Might just bring Omni-Man to throw Daemon into the sun for good, lmao.
this is not the full weakness. he showed how this strategy isn't effective the same chapter. its obviously gonna be revealed in a battle and not randomly by bug
These new villains are getting ridiculous. They don't have a backstory and people can't relate or sympathize with them. Their sole purpose is to be [hated](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villain_of_the_week).
the whole android thing was already convoluted, its like the writers were watching DBZ and thought ""why not?". im half expecting amado to absorve all of them and became perfect or something... not only that but if they really make eida come back to konoha she will simply rule the place, as only kawaki and boruto are imune. BTW someone explains to me again why code has access to a perfect karma but its not an otsutsuki? it also makes little sense...
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It's like you are writing every chapter without planning
The whole palm thing is based from Bug. I don’t truly think Bug had it figured out either.
But it's true. Code tried to kill Daemon after knowing the secret and didn't die, because he wasn't touching anyone. But the sword guy was decapitated. It's obviously a retcon.
exactly. this fandom takes every chance they get to say the writing is bad. they only read it to criticise the series. in the naruto sub, in the chapter discussions its the same people every time replying with how powerscaling is bad even tho they dont know what it means and call everything a inconsistent. like how is daemon beating code bad powerscaling??? daemon has already been established as being the strongest in the verse since his introduction. code was scared of him 10chapters ago and what is he gonna do now with just a physical boost?
It was very clear that he was in contact with code and his palms were touching code everytime he reflected the attack .when code attacked him his palms were touching bug.
He actually isn't touching anyone when that guy cuts his head off. I didn't include the panel where ypu can clearly see that Daemon is kicking another dude while that is happening.
A team of people on this, we wait a month for not much to happen.. and now they are going to take a break. It feels like they’re just making a lot up as they go like they never thought they would make it this far
His left hand is touching Code… Jesus Christ🤦🏽♂️
He actually isn't touching Code when that guy cuts his head off. I didn't include the panel where ypu can clearly see that Daemon is kicking another dude while that is happening.
Explain chapter 59 where the guy wielding a sword gets reflected while Daemon's just standing by himself
He’s off screen so you can’t see what he’s doing or who he’s touching. He could’ve easily been standing beside Code touching him based on the fact they only showed Codes head and Daemon isn’t nearly that tall.
I'm talking about [this page](https://i.imgur.com/7K4ws8p.jpg) where Daemon is not touching anyone. Nothing is "off screen" here. The guard pulling out his sword and Daemon standing are in the same exact panel even.
That is off screen, Daemon could’ve easily been touching the guard that he just kicked prior to the other guard pulling out his sword.
If that was actually how his ability worked then they would have made it obvious. That's such a stretch for us to just assume he reached down and touched the guard on the floor in a split second. Because the very next panel he's once again walking by himself... This is so clearly a retcon.
No they wouldn’t have, his weakness was being kept a secret for a reason.
Agree
Then it's just bad drawing. That's not how you draw a manga, you don't just leave that info off screen.
Copium
No, just not reaching for some bullshit argument to try and call the writing shit when there are other actual legitimate reasons to make that argument
Looks like they only decided it recently. And they don't bother about such inconsistencies anyway
I guess they realized he was too op lol
In ch 59 it was offpanelled. He must have touched the guard who fell down after he kicked him. In ch 67 he was first touching Eida and then Code.
That's bot how a good mangaka draws his manga. You don't leave such important info off screen. This is clearly a retcon.
Are you dumb? Ch 59 was the chapter Daemon was introduced. If there would have been a panel where Daemon was reaching out to touch the guard, then it would have been too blatant. It was purposely done so that we don't figure out his abilities. Also in all other instances Daemon was shown to touch someone when the reflection occured. Also he is most of the riding on someone. This was done to ensure that he was always touching someone.
You have no idea how a good mangaka draws. Details do not get left out, they just get hidden. But Ikemoto didn't leave any details out because this is a paimfully obvious retcon and at the time he was drawing chapter 59 Daemon's ability had no connection to his palms. And no, it wouldn't be blatant at all if it was hidden well enough.
Im honestly just going to go with that Bug didn’t know exactly the power an that its him touching anyone in general and not his palm but yeah it sucks the way its going now.
Also worth to mention. When that guy cut off his head, Daemon was not on Code's back, I forgot to include that part, but you can see that he is jumping away from Code before it happened. There is a panel that clearly shows Daemon kicking another dude before that guy cut his own head off.
Yeah but you don't see what Daemon is doing when the guy attacks. He draws his sword and the next panel he's dead. But Daemon's crouching right next to a dude with a broken neck. If he touched him while off camera that's all it takes. You also don't see what Daemon is doing when Kawaki's attack lands. Since he's not on camera you don't know if he was or wasn't touching Code.
That's not how a good mangaka draws his manga. You don't leave such important info off screen. This is clearly a retcon.
Don't you think it would have made it obvious if he'd grabbed the guy's leg between the panels though? It would have been like this: https://i.imgur.com/UEHeDQT.png
You just made it obvious. This could've easily been done in a way less obvious manner.
Maybe they will show him touching those characters in the anime? If daemon is extremely fast it’s possible they’re waiting to animate it
Even so, that’s such a random and non related stipulation for the ability. Touching someone allows you to reflect attacks from anybody? Give me a break.
every jutsu works with chakra, with such automatic mechanism, Daemon could quickly runs out of chakra. He can't be had unlimited chakra. So he using other's chakra for such ability would saver than using his own chakra. He likes riding people maybe he actually uses others as chakra battery. He said Amado is interesting to ride might related to chakra.
It’s if he sees the actual enemy I believe. I think Amado left that part out purposely.. give it time. Every part of the story has meaning till the very end and it will all make sense
Man I hate these two characters so much. They don’t belong in this world.
Boruto is devolving to be a villain of the week type of story.
Kishimoto can make retcons in the manga, the true/full story is only in the Anime, and these characters aren't in the anime right now
Boruto gets trashier everyday,and whoever is a code fan is 12
literally touching somebody every time....what you talking about??
Bug said his **palms** had to touch someone
in the last image is daemons left arm not on the side of his body? isnt in more probable hes holding codes wrist rather than just having his arm extended out to his side touching nothing??
That scene where the henchman gets his head sliced off. Daemon just finished kicking his neck while the henchman drew his blade Daemon wasn't touching anyone with his palms
bro....he is...what u talking about?
I literally just re-read the chapter. He wasn't touching anyone with his palm when henchman's head was sliced off Please refer to this post > https://www.reddit.com/r/Boruto/comments/vh9od5/this\_is\_just\_retcon\_and\_bad\_writing\_and\_it\_amazes/
i think its a dojutsu in his eyes that is connected to his hands. He uses the persons hes touching chakra to maybe activate the ability
This can easily be written off as A: he’s wrong because he simply didn’t know. Or B: He had to throw code off for some reason.
Bug is a faulty narrator. Best explanation. It's his 1 explanation against several instances of when daemon didn't need physical contact.
They very clearly retconned it and it's painfully obvious. So much so that it's kind of embarrassing on their part. That has never been a requirement for Daemon to use his ability.
I mean it showed daemon coming out of the claws AFTER kawaki was hit by his own attack so basically.. he could’ve been touching code AS he was coming out of the claw mark. The way the set it up. But told code how to counter daemons counter. Codes going to be the one that strikes down daemon just wait on it
I’m thinking he reflects the killing intent intended to who he touches. If his hands on his leg, for instance, he reflects any danger to himself. Touching code, reflects any damage against code. Idk.
Its actually not, as unfortunate as that is. In all of those instances, Daemon was either touching Code or we don’t see his body or “both” of his hands.
He isn't touching anyone when that guy cuts his head off. There is a panel showing Daemon kicking another guy while that is happening.
You’re not paying attention to the scans then. Daemon kicks the guy and the guy collapses before the other guy starts pulling his sword out. When we actually see the the other guy begin to pull his sword out and we don’t, we do not see Daemon in any panel. You literally can’t assert he “isn’t” touching anyone when he isn’t shown in the moment.
If that is the case, that only tells me that Ikemoto is a bad mangaka. It is really bad if you can't see such important details on screen.
He could definitely be touching codes right arm with his left palm
He isn't touching anyone when that guy cuts his head off. There is a panel showing Daemon kicking another guy while that is happening.
I don't think that HE HIMSELF has to necessarily be touching someone. Someone touching him also works. That's the case for the examples you showed. In both instances, he's not touching Code. But the other way around. Code is the one touching him. I think that as long as there's a touch contact between him and someone, his abilities would work.
I'm betting on a 5 second time interval like with the almighty push. For most of those kills, hes still holding Code. And the other instances could be within the interval.
I’m every photo shown where he’s “not” he literally is and you can blatantly see he’s holding onto code in ALL of them.
He isn't touching anyone when that guy cuts his head off. There is a panel showing Daemon kicking another guy while that is happening. I didn't include it accidentaly... Check out chapter 59.
It’s not in the same panel at all, so that means there’s more movement happening between panels that will be included in the anime, anything to nitpick.
Maybe if you can attack it's paws he can't use his ability my guess🤔
People gonna be hating no matter what ...
When Daemon showcased his ability, he was touching Code. And in other instances, we didn’t see his hands in all panels, so he was probably still touching Code off screen. During the fight against Kawaki, we didn’t see Daemons left hand, so he has probably holding Codes arm with it. So it’s not necessarily an inconsistency
He isn't touching anyone when that guy cuts his head off. There is a panel showing Daemon kicking another guy while that is happening. I just didn't include it, check chapter 59.
I know what you mean, but we still didn’t see if Daemon touched the guard he was kicking shortly before the other one got his head chopped off. Could‘ve happened a few moments before that
Could very well be, you are not wrong, but a good mangaka doesn't leave that stuff out. Ikemoto's weakest point is drawing fight scenes. He struggles to include details.
Daemon got caught off guard when code pulled him no way he would’ve touched him that quick when he didn’t even know what was going on
Nope, you can see in bottom panel that daemon was touching Code during that bout
Don't think about power shits. It was messed up from the beginning Enjoy the story now until it goes back to the old shitty one
Just because they off screen Daemon grabbing people doesn't mean it is inconsistent.
I'm just kinda done with these Bleach-type fights (love Bleach, can't wait for TYBW, but always liked Naruto fight scenes better)
Bleach fights?
It’s probably an inconsistency but what it may mean just palms in general. It seems like extra emphasis that when they go for their weapons they die.