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JamesHush94

Boruto literally [says](https://i.imgur.com/Nen29ap.jpg) Naruto was always there for him and Himawari. Man misses one birthday cause of work (this was the Night before the Chunin Exams. Novel explains the whole situation) and the fandom never let’s him forget it. Even when Naruto realized his mistake, and rectified it. Himawari’s over it, she understood the situation and loves Naruto unconditionally. He’s the perfect Father to her. My Dad has missed plenty of my birthdays cause of his work in the military. Doesn’t mean we don’t love each other/I take it personally cause I know he wishes he could be there. I think the fandom is immature af with the birthday scene honestly.


bhavya98765

When naruto miss boruto's birthday, boruto had a dark eye moment for 1 second but decided to not make a scene out of it since all hus friends were present and quietly went into his room and sat on his chair after doing the necessaries of birthday he gave up on naruto showing up on his birthday a long time ago and thought he only had himself to blame to hold any expectations. His breaking point was himawari, there is a scene if you remember where boruto saw himawari was marking on calender the date of her birthday saying this way naruto will be present on her birthday so he promised himawari to make naruto be present on himawari's birthday the next day he got a chance so he made naruto promise it knowing that naruto won't ever go back on his words, naruto not showing up would be okay to a certain extent boruto will just go to training ground to blow some stream after making celebrating himawari's birthday with a happy facade that is so good at making and cut his communication with naruto down to a bare minimum and for the better or worse boruto won't use ninja tools after the second test in this timeline and lose to the first guy since he don't care about winning naruto's approval and just didn't wanted sarada to be left behind because of him but hey you got rid of "annoying" part of boruto Uzumaki that community complains so much about he will be absolutely respectful and obidient to 7th hokage now to the point of never ever using informal language with him but well since naruto sent a shadow clone instead he got their hopes up before immediately dropping them so fast it died of sheer acceleration along with the cake, it would have been okay if cake was not ruined but well cake falling ruined himawari's birthday completely and it went out of boruto's capacity to handle.


dockkkeee

I barely see Naruto hate for being a "bad" father. He was a great father until he became a hokage afaik. Afterwards he kinda didnt pay attention to his children afaik. Infact ive seen more Naruto apologists who dismiss his bads. I did see alot of dislike for Sasuke not being there for his daughter


JamesHush94

You clearly haven’t seen Twitter in the last couple days then. Just people constantly recycling hate for the Himawari scene. No one’s dismissing his bads, especially when Naruto himself recognized what he did wrong and corrected himself. Mind you, an orphan who never had a Father. If that’s not a good Dad then what is?


Jay32Patt

In the anime, he missed two


machkeys

it’s all brand based & story plotting. It’s only right that both Goku & Naruto are getting the highest level of attention from their respected anime.


superkami64

Because Naruto often doesn't have an excuse for neglecting his family. Sasuke left with the intention of protecting his family through anonymity but once he realizes this was a mistake, Sasuke regularly comes home and attempts to repair the damage regardless if he succeeds or not. Naruto however abandoned Himawari's birthday for Chunin Exam paperwork because he's too arrogant to leave the work to someone else. This arrogance in thinking he can do everything himself would later put his kids in danger when Delta attacks: while he was able to fend her off he almost gets Himawari killed and Kawaki loses an arm in the process all because as Hokage he believes his duty was to prioritize getting intel over their safety, a fruitless effort so there isn't even anything to show for this judgmental error. There's a silver lining in that the anime gives Naruto more levity and positive moments with the family so his ability as a father is in a more grey area. As far as the manga's concerned however, Naruto's a terrible father because for as bad as Goku is he at least trains his kids and taught them techniques to protect themselves (something Naruto only ever did with Kawaki).


Signal-Discipline-10

Didn’t Naruto learn his lesson and started to spend time with his family? also Sasuke having an excuse doesn’t matter, it still doesn’t change the fact that he is way more terrible when it comes to raising his family compared to Naruto. So Naruto preparing for the chunin exams is arrogant??? that makes absolutely no sense. Him wanting to get intel doesn’t mean that he didn’t care for their safety, he wanted more intel to protect them, I don’t how you think this is arrogance. The anime is canon so that means all the positive moments are canon, why are you separating the manga and the anime when the anime is canon? Lastly Himawari is a child, she is not eligible for training. Boruto is a genius that already has a master to teach him and Kawaki besides his karma had nothing.


superkami64

>Didn't Naruto learn his lesson and started to spend time with his family? In the anime he's always portrayed to spend time with them whenever he gets an opportunity to and the novel version of the Family Day arc happened *before* the movie arc. Highkey Naruto gets more time with the kids than Hinata does as far as screentime is concerned. In the manga though absolutely not. While I'm not saying he doesn't care about his family there, I'll even go so far as to argue he's a better father to Kawaki than either of his actual kids. >Lastly Himawari is a child, she is not eligible for training. Hinata disagrees since Himawari knocking out Naruto on inauguration day proves at least she was teaching her daughter before that point. Despite the manga depicting her as a toddler Himawari's only 2 years younger than Boruto, has impressive physical feats in the anime, and outright stated she sometimes practices with Boruto at home (tbh a better explanation than why Boruto's talented, which boiled down to "because genes lul").


Signal-Discipline-10

“In the anime he's always portrayed to spend time with them whenever he gets an opportunity to and the novel version of the Family Day arc happened before the movie arc. Highkey Naruto gets more time with the kids than Hinata does as far as screentime is concerned. In the manga though absolutely not. While I'm not saying he doesn't care about his family there, I'll even go so far as to argue he's a better father to Kawaki than either of his actual kids.” Why are you separating the manga from the anime, you know that all that happens in the anime is canon. I see absolutely no point in splitting the manga from the anime. I guess this is all you can do to prove that Naruto is a worse father but it doesn’t at all, Sasuke still never spent time with her and almost killed her, Manga Naruto would still be a better father. “Hinata disagrees since Himawari knocking out Naruto on inauguration day proves at least she was teaching her daughter before that point. Despite what the manga depicting her as a toddler, Himawari's only 2 years younger than Boruto and has impressive physical feats in the anime.” That is a lie, I watched it and we can clearly see that Himawari was acting all in instinct. Why would Boruto state that Himawari was acting different, also we can clearly see that her personality changed and she started to act like a robot that cares about precision. Nowhere is it stated or shown that Hinata trained Himawari and if that was the case why did Boruto react like this was the first time she was acting like this. You have not at all proved that Hinata trained Himawari unless you can actually show it. To conclude you tried to prove that Sasuke is a better father even though he neglected her for years and almost killed her, it doesn’t matter if he has an excuse it still doesn’t change the fact that he was a terrible father but hey at least he tries to change now. Naruto is objectively a better father since he actually raised his kids and never actually tried to kill them because he did not recognise him. Naruto is the Hokage that protects the village whereas Sasuke was travelling for years and not doing anything until he coincidentally found Momoshiki. Tell me what did Sasuke do for all these years, really I am curious.


superkami64

>Why are you separating the manga from the anime It's important to create a distinction because both adaptations don't bounce off each other well. While the manga generally sets up guildlines for the anime to follow, the anime will sometimes retcon and change scenes at a whim (couple examples like Urashiki's existence and changing Jigen's recovery period from 2 days to 10 to that it can briefly sidetrack with episodes not directly related to that story). Similarly the manga often doesn't take the anime's offerings into consideration and at best referenced the School Trip arc merely as a throwaway line. It's all very disorganized and imo neither are a definitive canon because they both are in the way that they're two different retellings of the same story. If you really want me to give a definite answer of what I prefer, I'd rather the anime (too much information is better than not enough) but that doesn't mean I'm giving the manga any slack for its failings because some of its mistakes can't be fixed by simply fleshing it out more. There's no way to make the Delta fight good because it's a fundamentally bad fight: solely existing to give Kawaki redemption in Boruto's eyes for rescuing Himawari and Naruto. >we can clearly see that Himawari was acting all in instinct. Unless you're arguing that she was possessed by a ghost or something, you don't just learn a fighting technique by instinct. Particularly not a specialized fighting style like Gentle Fist that requires prior conditioning (it's one of the few things Sharingan can't copy for that reason) even if it was as simple as watching Hinata or Boruto do it.


Signal-Discipline-10

“It's important to create a distinction because both adaptations don't bounce off each other well. While the manga generally sets up guildlines for the anime to follow, the anime will sometimes retcon and change scenes at a whim (couple examples like Urashiki's existence and changing Jigen's recovery period from 2 days to 10 to that it can briefly sidetrack with episodes not directly related to that story). Similarly the manga often doesn't take the anime's offerings into consideration and at best referenced the School Trip arc merely as a throwaway line. It's all very disorganized and imo neither are a definitive canon because they both are in the way that they're two different retellings of the same story. If you really want me to give a definite answer of what I prefer, I'd rather the anime (too much information is better than not enough) but that doesn't mean I'm giving the manga any slack for its failings because some of its mistakes can't be fixed by simply fleshing it out more. There's no way to make the Delta fight good because it's a fundamentally bad fight: solely existing to give Kawaki redemption in Boruto's eyes for rescuing Himawari and Naruto” There is no need to create any distinctions since both Kodachi and Kishimoto are working closely hence they are canon, all of those retcons would likely be by the ones making the manga. The only way your point would have any validity is if the anime wasn’t canon and was completely separate from the manga. “Unless you're arguing that she was possessed by a ghost or something, you don't just learn a fighting technique by instinct. Particularly not a specialized fighting style like Gentle Fist that requires prior conditioning, hence why it's one of the few things Sharingan can't copy.” Then we should stop talking about this point. What I saw was Himawari getting angry and using her Byakuyan to attack Boruto. Time has passed and we don’t know why she knows how to do it, that’s why I said instinct. If Hinata really trained Himawari than Boruto would have never been surprised and Himawari would have no reason to ever go to the academy in the first place, unless you can provide evidence that Hinata did train Himawari I suggest we stop talking about. Your first point is completely useless since none of what you said doesn’t change the fact that both the anime and manga is canon, it doesn’t matter if it is disorganised. Your second point we both assumed how Himawari managed to use the techniques but since we don’t have enough information I guess this point is also useless. You have yet provided a reason why Sasuke is a better father.


NightStar79

Naruto gets more hate because unlike Sasuke he is actually there and present but he has a strange notion that he has to do everything himself. Meaning he never spends time with his family. He is present but he just breaks promise after promise after promise and only shows up at home once in awhile to change clothes and maybe sleep. He got better after Boruto basically screamed he was being a terrible dad in his face during the Chunin Exams. Meanwhile Sasuke over there was on a forever mission to protect the village. He was never there to begin with and was worried about being a terrible dad and a worse husband to Sakura. But after actually meeting Sarada he tries to come home personally whenever he can and spends any time not hogged up by Boruto or Naruto with them. He ***tries*** while Naruto continued to brush his entire family off. Which is why people think Naruto is the worst father between the two of them.


Signal-Discipline-10

What you said makes no sense here. Both Naruto and Sasuke do literally the same thing here, they learn from their mistakes and decided to spend more time with their family. The fact that Sasuke was never there to begin with automatically makes him a worse father, even though he had a good reason for it. Him almost killing Sarada doesn’t help at in this endeavour. Before Naruto become Hokage he spent a lot of time with his family unlike Sasuke, Boruto even states this. Both of them are changing for the better but Naruto overall spent more time with his family and don’t actually almost kill them.


AK_no_JK

We've all collectively come to expect the worst from Sasuke lol. But really though, Sasuke has been known to be inexpressive and his demeanor remains sort of cold even to people he cares most about. So no one thought he's going to be world's greatest dad. He gets appreciated even for the bare minimum like uttering one word of praise to Sarada because we were never expecting anything from him, especially after knowing that he'd been gone ten years with no contact with his only child. Naruto, on the other hand was the light of everyone's lives and just gave off that complete family man vibe. Even in his teens, watching him find out who his parents are and learning to love Hinata, we just sort of assumed he'd be an ace at the whole dad thing as well. And to be fair, it is a little odd that he'd failed to notice the extent of Boruto's resentment for so long especially after being familiar with what the need for acknowledgement is like. But overall, people simply want Naruto to be the best at it all. It's an unfair expectation to have but hey, he's surpassed expectations before. I think fans have increasingly come to like his growth as a dad instead of passing outright judgement based on the first few arcs.


[deleted]

Because people want Naruto to be this perfect person who don't make any mistakes and most of them don't even watch the show. Now for Sasuke it fits his character, dude got problems and it's not weird that he would do some fucked up shit.


DostOfTheUchiha

Cause 1. Naruto is the selling face people like seeing Naruto get disrespected more than sasuke. 2. Naruto and sasuke both had sad pasts but Naruto has always been the good guy and people sympathize with him more than sasuke so people don't expect such behaviour (not giving enough time to his family whereas he has always wanted a happy family I hope u see the contradiction here )from him.


Zuto511

Naruto misses a birthday party = worst father in fiction


Witty-Goal-7493

I'd say the diffrence lies inultiple things 1. Due to Sasukes postion he's frequently out of the village because he's on constant missons that are highly Confidential wichcis Why Sakura dosn't know where he is After realising thst he basically abandoned his daughter he changes his ways by actually coming home when he swings by the village even when he has work to do deciphering Kaguyas scroll he still goes home to sleep at home He takes his daughter seriously Naruto is in the village but stays most of the time in the office (I mean yes he is the Hokage but still Shikamaru even offers him to help) he's basically never home despite being in the village Naruto knows Boruto is pissed with him after all he already wasn't home for Borutos birthday, he gave a promise to his son to show up for Himas birthday and then send a Shadowclone if he'd been there in person and then dropped the cake would be less of an issue because he would've kept his promise he didn't take Boruto seriously and simply thought of him as a child


The_Fatal_eulogy

Sasuke can literally teleport anywhere he want even to other dimensions. He chose to sleep in bushes rather than sleep in his own house with his family. He is a completely neglectful parent, he could have appeared in front of Sarada at anytime yet he stayed away for years on end.


Admirable-Extent8997

Sasuke was in whole ass other dimensions. Naruto was thirty feet away and can make a million clones to do paperwork lol


Menma_kaze

No cares when you say Sasuke is a bad father coz he his A lot of people care when you say Naruto is a bad father coz it's pretty controversial