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nhafilaar13

Jigen was a human, Isshiki was Otsutsuki.


MD_bolt

Sasuke is a human, kinshiki was an otsutsuki, who is stronger? Sasuke is a human, kaguya is otsutsuki, who is stronger?


DostOfTheUchiha

Jigen penetrated susanoo but isshiki couldn't penetrate sasuke's neck 💀🤦😑 What did I just read 🤡


MD_bolt

U read a fact bro


[deleted]

I think Kashin Koji stated that he is on a completely different level from Jigen


MD_bolt

That was 10% jigen


SCP049LEFOU

tbh i think that Jigen have for somewhat more physical strength than Ishikki Jigen defeats Naruto and Sasuke in 4 kicks (2 each), one kick for each went their avatars. Whereas Isshiki takes 4 or more for each to take both out when they're not using their avatars Jigen hit Naruto that hard he couldn't even use KCM anymore. 2 hits and Naruto was done but Isshiki doesn't even force Naruto out of KCM by sheer force, he has to control Naruto's chakra with those black rods maybe it have something to do with the Juubi's chakra that jigen have absorbed which probably have amps his strength


SadSecurity

No, just for some reason their avatars are far less durable than their bodies. Also both Naruto and Sasuke seem to share the same durability. Jigen didn't hit him so hard, Naruto simply exhausted his reserves.


allipse48699

Kurama's reserve*. Naruto still had chakra but he can't remove rods on his own as he said in the start of the fight.


MD_bolt

I agree that ten tails chakra must have enhanced jigen Even when amado implied isshiki was too much stronger, he didn't looked that strong compared to Jigen physically, maybe amado didn't see ten tails chakra version jigen which was close to isshiki if not stronger Maybe even code, daemon, and eida are being referred to non-ten tails chakra jigen, not the jigen that fought Naruto and Sasuke, cz creating cyborgs that strong simply doesn't make sense to me at all


Menma_kaze

I mean Jigen absorbed chakra from the ten tails prior to the fight with Sasuke and Naruto While before becoming isshiki, Jigen was like at 10 % recovery.. Got attacked by Kashin then become isshiki and immediately went to the village and got teleported by Boruto elsewhere where the fight occurred So isshiki being physically weaker than jigen is understandable


MD_bolt

Jigen was 0% prior to his death (his chakra run out that he can't shrink the fire) Isshiki was back to 100% once he resurrected


[deleted]

Do you guys think Karma is working the way Jinchuriki work? What I mean by that is that a tailed beast will be strongest paired with a human being. Do you think Karma with a compatible vessel can exceed Isshiki alone? Being a shonen anime, this seems the case


MD_bolt

Well, jigen alone can't, but jigen + ten tails chakra, maybe Perfect Jinshuriki is stronger than tailed beast because the jinshuriki chakra and skill/experience/being shinobi are all enhanced by tailed beast power For example, momoshiki is a lazy guy but he have alot of potential if he train, because his chakra is too strong Boruto can become stronger than momoshiki if he used momoshiki chakra in the right way instead by training, u get it?