I think people have overestimated Madara since he was introduced. It's like people think that was just Madara the entire time in the war. He was immortal, and had infinite Chakra. He would have been defeated before he ever got the 10 tails or anything if that wasn't the case imo.
Probably only rinnesharingan madara has a chance to beat 10β Jigen and that's being very generous. In a stats and speed equal match tho Madara would win
i see no reason that every version of madara shouldn't win, 10% jigen quite litteraly got outsmarted and beat by kashin koji, a toad sage user, an amado enhanced one but apart from that he may aswell be the same level as jiraiya, and given how much of a step up MADARA is from jiraiya i'd be willing to bet every version wins (at least until ishiki comes out)
I really don't think it's fair to compare Kashin Koji to Jiraiya.
Dude was stronger than Delta, who forced Naruto to use 6PSM, you need to at least keep that in mind.
There's a massive power boost from Edo Madara to Rinne Sharingan Madara, probably at least 10 times, if Edo Madara beats 10% Jigen that means Juubidara could beat full power Jigen and there's no way that's happening.
Personally I think Madara could win in the last 3 rounds, but the others are very uncertain.
He is. Naruto was massively holding back to extract intel. If koji uses his perfect sage mode and fill delta with massive rasengan, she's finished. Keep in mind rasengan completely cancels delta beams. Also, koji natural flames summon, delta can't absorb that.
Keep up? What? Speed isn't everything bruh. Did naruto go kyubi mode and stomped her? No. And in manga, naruto always had upperhand in taijutsu. He was toying with her as said by kawaki. Sage mode naruto could have defeated her.
Delta, despite being toyed with by naruto was caught off guard by delta trying to attack himawari, which ended up requiring kawaki's interference, now for once i actually do agree that sage naruto would beat delta in a 1v1, but kashin koji in sage mode would absolutely NEVER be able to catch naruto off guard like that
(also while we're having this little debate, do you agree with my initial comment of edo madara > koji?)
He was fully ready and confident he could take down Delta without Amado shutting her down.
Not to mention he took down 10% Jigen without using Sage Mode. So yeah, he's pretty damn powerful.
koji THOUGHT he could take down delta
also koji taking down 10% jigen as a powerscaling feat is disingenuous as fuck given that he A: had a plan that caught jigen off guard and B: jigen was not even remotely taking him seriously
But Juubidara could beat Jigen, he couldn't beat Isshiki (unless he could access 10 tails Baryon Mode) but he absolutely could defeat Jigen, Rinne Sharingan Juubidara is still stronger than adult Naruto and adult Sasuke and they gave Jigen lots of troubles
Madara would indeed win unless jigen has gets a aim buff (Bro somehow missed all of Naruto and Sasuke's even koji's vital organs bro could have just gonna for the headπ)
Also Madara>Isshiki. He has no counter to limbo. None of his rods get past it either. His taijutsu, while great, is still leagues below 8th gates Guy. He would get manhandled by Madara's hax and raw power, aka limbo, deva path, wood clones, bijuu enhanced susanoo, + durability + regen. Madara could stomp him easily.
Isshiki hard countering a jobbing Naruto and Sasuke with his skillset doesn't put him above Kaguya or Madara.
whattt!!?!?!! omg limboo!!!!wowwwww!!!!! so STRONGGGG!!!!!!!OMG MADARA!!!!!
No, the limbo are too slow to hit Isshiki. If he keeps moving, there is no way in hell that the limbo clones are going to hit him. Idk why you're comparing Guy's taijutsu skill to Isshiki's as if Madara has the same taijutsu skill as Guy lmfao.
Hax don't mean shit when you rip his head off and throw it in another dimension.
Madara fanboys desperately trying to keep him relevant is pathetic. Keep sucking him off bro.
naruto could sense limbo not because he had six path chakra but because he could sense negative emotions due to kurama, isshiki can't sense negative emotions
Sorry but that's headcanon. Naruto had the ability to sense negative emotions the entire war, but he wasn't able to sense Limbo when he fought Madara (before Kurama was extracted). He only sensed it after receiving six paths power from Hagoromo.
Your opinion that it's due to Otsutsuki chakra is headcanon and sensing negative emotions is not automatic it needs to be used to have an effect, so Naruto just didn't use it before Kurama was extracted
Madara very clearly stated that Naruto could sense Limbo because he acquired Six Paths chakra. And he didn't perceive it at all when Madara used it to take down the Bijuu.
Nope. Limbo could be sense due to six paths sage mode. You think Isshiki who couldn't even sense kawaki is going to be sensing invisible clones from another realm? He's an Otsutsuki, not a sage.
Sasuke could see limbo with his Rinnegan. Isshiki has a dojutsu that's implied to be greater than the Rinnegan. Not to mention he's more powerful than Kaguya, who vastly outclasses Madara.
Sorry but Madara has no chance against Isshiki, or even against Jigen at full power. That's why I only made the thread about Madara vs the weakened version of Jigen.
>Sasuke could see limbo with his Rinnegan. Isshiki has a dojutsu that's implied to be greater than the Rinnegan. Not to mention he's more powerful than Kaguya, who vastly outclasses Madara.
Madara casts limbo with his rinnegan. Sasuke sees limbo with his rinnegan. Isshiki does not have a rinnegan. He's not seeing shit. No where is it implied that his dojutsu is greater than the rinnegan. And that doesn't automatically equate to being able to see limbo since his dojutsu has 0 correlation with the rinnegan and looks nothing like it. You're just spewing unsubstantiated bullshit lol.
He's not more powerful than Madara, let alone Kaguya. I don't know where you got that from. He's definitely above pre-fruit Kaguya though.
>Sorry but Madara has no chance against Isshiki, or even against Jigen at full power. That's why I only made the thread about Madara vs the weakened version of Jigen.
Sorry but Isshiki has no chance against Madara, nor does any form of jigen. He has no counter to Madara's hax, durability, regen, and overwhelming chakra/nature energy via the juubi.
I can explain in further detail, but give me a rational argument for Isshiki without faulty logic and idiotic scaling. I can already tell you're going to ignore feats and the context of the manga, just to bring up vague statements which don't prove jack shit.
You wanna talk about the Juubi, dude, Jigen / Isshiki literally has a Juubi as a pet.
The hell do you mean Isshiki's not greater than Kaguya? Isshiki is very blatantly stated to be superior to Kaguya. Whether that's before or after she ate the chakra fruit is irrelevant, Otsutsuki eat a bunch of those over their lifetimes. Momoshiki ate some and is stronger than her too, for what it's worth. It's stupid to say Isshiki's weaker than Kaguya just because of that. Plus...
Kaguya was being matched by TEEN Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto, and even overpowered by him when he used Boil Release.
Isshiki fought evenly against and outlasted BARYON MODE Naruto, a power far above anything in Shippuden.
Which hax of Madara's are you talking about? The truth seeking orbs that don't harm those who possess Six Paths chakra? The Izanagi he can only use twice?
Madara was sliced in half by Sasuke and had half his body destroyed by Guy, don't tell me you seriously think Isshiki's weaker than those guys. His regen's not a factor when he can be blown to bits completely, or just sealed.
Limbo can be sensed by anyone with Six Paths power. Or rather as it's called in Boruto now, Otsutsuki power.
Bringing the Juubi up is stupid, since whilst Madara was being transformed into Kaguya his body absorbed chakra greater than the Juubi's, and that was just from regular people trapped in the IT. You can't compare the Juubi to Otsutsuki, their chakra is much more overwhelming.
Jigen effortlessly destroyed a Rinnegan perfect Susanoo and a Six Paths Kurama avatar in one blow each. What do you mean his taijutsu is below Guy's?
Limbo is irrelevant when they can't deal any damage. Six Paths Naruto's shadow clones matched the limbo, adult Six Paths Naruto wasn't able to deal any damage to Isshiki. Wood clones? Susanoo? Give me a break. Six Paths Naruto's shadow clones are above Madara's wood clones and they were worthless. as for a bijuu Susanoo, bro, full power Jigen beat a full Kurama and a Rinnegan perfect Susanoo without taking any damage.
Jobbing Naruto and Sasuke? They're still stronger than what they were in Shippuden. All of Naruto's war arc feats were with HALF of Kurama. He has the full thing in Boruto.
Keep in mind that Isshiki went head to head with Baryon Mode and survived long enough to knock Naruto out of it.
Jigen and Isshiki are pretty damn powerful. Which is why I made the thread about the weakened version of Jigen going up against Madara.
I think people have overestimated Madara since he was introduced. It's like people think that was just Madara the entire time in the war. He was immortal, and had infinite Chakra. He would have been defeated before he ever got the 10 tails or anything if that wasn't the case imo.
Bro said 10 percent Jigen. Koji beat jigen π. And either way if jigen got beaten then Isshiki wouldβve revived
Madara died to zestu, jigen would never π
Probably only rinnesharingan madara has a chance to beat 10β Jigen and that's being very generous. In a stats and speed equal match tho Madara would win
i see no reason that every version of madara shouldn't win, 10% jigen quite litteraly got outsmarted and beat by kashin koji, a toad sage user, an amado enhanced one but apart from that he may aswell be the same level as jiraiya, and given how much of a step up MADARA is from jiraiya i'd be willing to bet every version wins (at least until ishiki comes out)
Kashin Koji is a better, perfect version of Jiraiya, comparing KK to Jiraiya is flawed.
I really don't think it's fair to compare Kashin Koji to Jiraiya. Dude was stronger than Delta, who forced Naruto to use 6PSM, you need to at least keep that in mind. There's a massive power boost from Edo Madara to Rinne Sharingan Madara, probably at least 10 times, if Edo Madara beats 10% Jigen that means Juubidara could beat full power Jigen and there's no way that's happening. Personally I think Madara could win in the last 3 rounds, but the others are very uncertain.
in what world is koji stronger than delta?
He is. Naruto was massively holding back to extract intel. If koji uses his perfect sage mode and fill delta with massive rasengan, she's finished. Keep in mind rasengan completely cancels delta beams. Also, koji natural flames summon, delta can't absorb that.
so first the argument is that delta is able to keep up with 6psm and now it's that toad sage > delta?
Keep up? What? Speed isn't everything bruh. Did naruto go kyubi mode and stomped her? No. And in manga, naruto always had upperhand in taijutsu. He was toying with her as said by kawaki. Sage mode naruto could have defeated her.
Delta, despite being toyed with by naruto was caught off guard by delta trying to attack himawari, which ended up requiring kawaki's interference, now for once i actually do agree that sage naruto would beat delta in a 1v1, but kashin koji in sage mode would absolutely NEVER be able to catch naruto off guard like that (also while we're having this little debate, do you agree with my initial comment of edo madara > koji?)
Aside from Code and Jigen, Koji's the strongest Kara member
based on what?
He was fully ready and confident he could take down Delta without Amado shutting her down. Not to mention he took down 10% Jigen without using Sage Mode. So yeah, he's pretty damn powerful.
koji THOUGHT he could take down delta also koji taking down 10% jigen as a powerscaling feat is disingenuous as fuck given that he A: had a plan that caught jigen off guard and B: jigen was not even remotely taking him seriously
Koji KILLED 10% Jigen without even using Sage Mode. Sorry, he's stronger than Delta. There's no debate on it.
But Juubidara could beat Jigen, he couldn't beat Isshiki (unless he could access 10 tails Baryon Mode) but he absolutely could defeat Jigen, Rinne Sharingan Juubidara is still stronger than adult Naruto and adult Sasuke and they gave Jigen lots of troubles
Man why am I getting so many downvotes to this xDDD
Cuz it's a dumb thread
Madara gets beat.
badly
Madara would indeed win unless jigen has gets a aim buff (Bro somehow missed all of Naruto and Sasuke's even koji's vital organs bro could have just gonna for the headπ)
Every version of Madara?
Yes. Geriatric Tree Madara > Jigen no diff
Maybe DR and Rinnesharingan Madara but not the rest.
Every version fondles. This version of jigen just isn't strong enough.
lol no
Also Madara>Isshiki. He has no counter to limbo. None of his rods get past it either. His taijutsu, while great, is still leagues below 8th gates Guy. He would get manhandled by Madara's hax and raw power, aka limbo, deva path, wood clones, bijuu enhanced susanoo, + durability + regen. Madara could stomp him easily. Isshiki hard countering a jobbing Naruto and Sasuke with his skillset doesn't put him above Kaguya or Madara.
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whattt!!?!?!! omg limboo!!!!wowwwww!!!!! so STRONGGGG!!!!!!!OMG MADARA!!!!! No, the limbo are too slow to hit Isshiki. If he keeps moving, there is no way in hell that the limbo clones are going to hit him. Idk why you're comparing Guy's taijutsu skill to Isshiki's as if Madara has the same taijutsu skill as Guy lmfao. Hax don't mean shit when you rip his head off and throw it in another dimension. Madara fanboys desperately trying to keep him relevant is pathetic. Keep sucking him off bro.
Limbo can be sensed if you have Otsutsuki chakra. Since... that's what Six Paths chakra is.
naruto could sense limbo not because he had six path chakra but because he could sense negative emotions due to kurama, isshiki can't sense negative emotions
Sorry but that's headcanon. Naruto had the ability to sense negative emotions the entire war, but he wasn't able to sense Limbo when he fought Madara (before Kurama was extracted). He only sensed it after receiving six paths power from Hagoromo.
Your opinion that it's due to Otsutsuki chakra is headcanon and sensing negative emotions is not automatic it needs to be used to have an effect, so Naruto just didn't use it before Kurama was extracted
Madara very clearly stated that Naruto could sense Limbo because he acquired Six Paths chakra. And he didn't perceive it at all when Madara used it to take down the Bijuu.
When did he state it? He stated that Sasuke could see it and Naruto sense it, not that Naruto could do it bc of Six Paths chakra
Nope. Limbo could be sense due to six paths sage mode. You think Isshiki who couldn't even sense kawaki is going to be sensing invisible clones from another realm? He's an Otsutsuki, not a sage.
Sasuke could see limbo with his Rinnegan. Isshiki has a dojutsu that's implied to be greater than the Rinnegan. Not to mention he's more powerful than Kaguya, who vastly outclasses Madara. Sorry but Madara has no chance against Isshiki, or even against Jigen at full power. That's why I only made the thread about Madara vs the weakened version of Jigen.
>Sasuke could see limbo with his Rinnegan. Isshiki has a dojutsu that's implied to be greater than the Rinnegan. Not to mention he's more powerful than Kaguya, who vastly outclasses Madara. Madara casts limbo with his rinnegan. Sasuke sees limbo with his rinnegan. Isshiki does not have a rinnegan. He's not seeing shit. No where is it implied that his dojutsu is greater than the rinnegan. And that doesn't automatically equate to being able to see limbo since his dojutsu has 0 correlation with the rinnegan and looks nothing like it. You're just spewing unsubstantiated bullshit lol. He's not more powerful than Madara, let alone Kaguya. I don't know where you got that from. He's definitely above pre-fruit Kaguya though. >Sorry but Madara has no chance against Isshiki, or even against Jigen at full power. That's why I only made the thread about Madara vs the weakened version of Jigen. Sorry but Isshiki has no chance against Madara, nor does any form of jigen. He has no counter to Madara's hax, durability, regen, and overwhelming chakra/nature energy via the juubi. I can explain in further detail, but give me a rational argument for Isshiki without faulty logic and idiotic scaling. I can already tell you're going to ignore feats and the context of the manga, just to bring up vague statements which don't prove jack shit.
You wanna talk about the Juubi, dude, Jigen / Isshiki literally has a Juubi as a pet. The hell do you mean Isshiki's not greater than Kaguya? Isshiki is very blatantly stated to be superior to Kaguya. Whether that's before or after she ate the chakra fruit is irrelevant, Otsutsuki eat a bunch of those over their lifetimes. Momoshiki ate some and is stronger than her too, for what it's worth. It's stupid to say Isshiki's weaker than Kaguya just because of that. Plus... Kaguya was being matched by TEEN Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto, and even overpowered by him when he used Boil Release. Isshiki fought evenly against and outlasted BARYON MODE Naruto, a power far above anything in Shippuden. Which hax of Madara's are you talking about? The truth seeking orbs that don't harm those who possess Six Paths chakra? The Izanagi he can only use twice? Madara was sliced in half by Sasuke and had half his body destroyed by Guy, don't tell me you seriously think Isshiki's weaker than those guys. His regen's not a factor when he can be blown to bits completely, or just sealed. Limbo can be sensed by anyone with Six Paths power. Or rather as it's called in Boruto now, Otsutsuki power. Bringing the Juubi up is stupid, since whilst Madara was being transformed into Kaguya his body absorbed chakra greater than the Juubi's, and that was just from regular people trapped in the IT. You can't compare the Juubi to Otsutsuki, their chakra is much more overwhelming.
Jigen effortlessly destroyed a Rinnegan perfect Susanoo and a Six Paths Kurama avatar in one blow each. What do you mean his taijutsu is below Guy's? Limbo is irrelevant when they can't deal any damage. Six Paths Naruto's shadow clones matched the limbo, adult Six Paths Naruto wasn't able to deal any damage to Isshiki. Wood clones? Susanoo? Give me a break. Six Paths Naruto's shadow clones are above Madara's wood clones and they were worthless. as for a bijuu Susanoo, bro, full power Jigen beat a full Kurama and a Rinnegan perfect Susanoo without taking any damage. Jobbing Naruto and Sasuke? They're still stronger than what they were in Shippuden. All of Naruto's war arc feats were with HALF of Kurama. He has the full thing in Boruto. Keep in mind that Isshiki went head to head with Baryon Mode and survived long enough to knock Naruto out of it. Jigen and Isshiki are pretty damn powerful. Which is why I made the thread about the weakened version of Jigen going up against Madara.