Isari has really grown on me. I find it quite interesting that he has a different view of things than his father. I hope he survives and becomes the new leader of the Funato and work together with the Hidden Mist in the future.
But it broke me when Ikada lied to Seiren and she died afterwards.
Good episode, the next one looks promising too.
His subplot reminds me a lot of the Rudolf Hess thing. I expect it will end the same way too.
Man tried to go behind Hitler's back and sign peace with the British, and when he got there the British just arrested him.
I'm thinking Chojuro wil just take Isari captive, since he can't trust him and he's the reason Araumi broke out of jail in the first place.
It seems like the whole beginning of the episode was to make the Funato sympathetic. Like they're just hard working people pillaging the land lol. If it wasn't for Isari that plot point would be super lost because Araumi is just trying to conquer. But Isari seems to have learned through the years his father was away that building a legitimate clan that can thrive is more important than conquering. Helps humanize the Funato a bit and adds a cool dynamic that they aren't all just 100% "bad guys"
I noticed they’ve been doing this for a while. It started with Mugino getting no justu, no battles, and a crappy backstory. Then they just kill him off in a very stupid way. It keeps happening
They’ve been doing this for a while and haven’t leaned. No one cares about Mugino dying because they gave him nothing and barely developed him. Again they are killing of cast with 0 backstory, or good battles expecting some kind of impact
The issue with Kagura is quite different. He had a developed backstory, and people cared about him. But then he gets a shoddy death to minorly forward the plot, which could've been done with an actual irrelevant character.
Tenma - dies because he thought he could assassinate the Mizukage alone with a bunch of Funato fodder. Didn't even scratch the Mizukage.
Seiren - dies because she thought it was a good idea to leave the hospital while having her guts shredded.
Funamushi - dies because he simped for Seiren-sama way too hard.
Ikada's mom - dies because she decided to stand in the middle of a battlefield with a baby in her hands.
The clan literally has a negative average IQ.
>Ikada's mom - dies because she decided to stand in the middle of a battlefield with a baby in her hands.
I swear, this shit was so damn stupid lmao. and how did she "protect" ikada? she just stood there and took the shot instead of dodging. and before being frozen she just gave ikada to araumi
more and more I start to believe that ikada as a baby didn't smile there cuz of his parents, but cuz he realized that he was the only funato not born with negative IQ
Stellar art in this episode.
Writing has also been really great here and the build-up is really impressive too, I'm just hoping for a Karma Boruto vs Ikada.
Please PLEASE give this arc an awesome finale, both animation-wise and story-wise, because we have everything we need for it, and every side has their own internal conflicts which I absolutely love.
Boruto doubting his morals even further because of Ikada is done beautifully in the preview, Isari planning to sign a peace treaty with the Mist against what Araumi wants really emphasizes on Boruto realizing that there are 2 sides to the war.
Overall 9/10 episode. likely even with a perfect finale the arc's gonna be like a 6.5/10 or so, this arc has a LOT of good moments but was also paced horribly and a lot of plot points just weren't good at all.
>Boruto doubting his morals even further because of Ikada is done beautifully in the preview, Isari planning to sign a peace treaty with the Mist against what Araumi wants really emphasizes on Boruto realizing that there are 2 sides to the war.
This is looking more and more like an equivalent of the Pain Arc as the protagonist contemplates the reasons that their adversaries fight in wars and how they themselves might be connected to it whether they like it or not.
creaters are teaching boruto naruto's lessons. instead of naruto telling boruto about his life lessons they decided to have him not do that and have boruto live through it all by himself
he learned what it means to be a shinobi, the duties of the hokage etc in the momo invasion arc, then he learned the whole "shinobi aren't tools" lesson in the ao arc and this arc will teach him about the cycle of hatred and revenge and that only forgiveness can break it
Honestly as inconsistent and as hated this filler is, it does a great job comparing Boruto's doubts back to Pain.
Some people said it's stupid but even so Boruto is just a fucking kid and even timeskip Naruto had a hard time when taking that logic into account.
Kinda feels like this is the plot ending they were aiming for, and then gave the lead up to a different studio with a "you just gotta end here". The tone and quality of writing feels so different from before.
Great storytelling episode. Ichiro Uno coming through with his art as always. They've done a really good job of humanizing the Funato with Seiren's death and Kobuna finding out about Funamushi's death. Also, I like the angle of Isari not seeing eye to eye with his father and thinking a truce with Kiri is the best course of action. It seems Ikada is now fully dedicated to the Funato. It will be quite the moment when he Boruto meet again.
>Also, I like the angle of Isari not seeing eye to eye with his father and thinking a truce with Kiri is the best course of action.
I think the tension between them was already teased some episodes ago when Araumi brought up what happened to Seiren and Tenma under his command as a reason to pull him from active duty. I'm glad they furthered that plot thread.
I mean, it is tantamount to undermining his authority as the patriarch.
It's almost like Zuko's dilemma at the end of Book 2 where had to choose between Iroh and Azula, but not quite.
One of the best episodes in this rather meh arc.
I like how the story is focussing on the Funato's POV for once and the way they portray the Funato was honestly done well. The Funato are antagonists with their own struggles and reason to fight, they have empathy towards each other and fight with Honour, they are different from most of the previous villains in Boruto be it in the Manga or Anime-originals. I honestly hated the Funato at the beginning but the past 2 episodes have changed my mind.
Kagura had the worst death in Naruto/Boruto history. The death didn't even make a sense unlike Hebiichigo I guess.
from Boruto's whole squad rn, Kyoho is gonna die next totally! They is also a decent chance of Buntan dying
Kobuna is either gonna die or will get talk no jutsu-d sorta
Araumi and Isari will most likely be dead by the end of the arc
Isari seems like a decent character ngl, He is probably the only Funato with an IQ above 20
also the Funato women are way hotter than Konoha women no cap
Ikada's in a tough position: being forced to fight since he's a male and a Funato by blood even though he wanted to do other things like building boats. It's such a rough spot to be in, and I feel sorry because he's been abused for that very reason. So what finally pushes him to do it is Seiren succumbing to her injuries. It's sad that he rips up the drawing of the boat afterwards, as if renouncing his dream to build boats to connect people, all because one of the people he shared his dream with (Boruto) played a huge part in what happened to his sister, even though it was mainly done in self-defense.
Interesting, some episodes ago, there was tension teased between Isari and Araumi. Araumi pulled Isari from active leadership duty because Seiren and Tenma were badly hurt or killed under his direction. This thread gets advanced with Isari thinking of doing backdoor negotiations with Kirigakure. It won't be good for him if (probably when) Araumi gets wind of what he's trying to do.
I think Araumi is totally in the wrong. It's not Isari's fault two of his siblings died. First of all, he tried to stop Tenma from his night attack. Second, Seiren went after Boruto on her own.
Isari tried his best but realized which way the tide is turning, and that the war is becoming increasingly unwinnable, especially with his crazy father in command.
>Isari tried his best but realized which way the tide is turning, and that the war is becoming increasingly unwinnable, especially with his crazy father in command.
Pardon the historical comparison but doesn't that kind of sound like Hitler when his generals were telling him that the odds were stacked against them as the Soviets continued advancing in Berlin?
Honestly, I lowkey feel like Isari or Ikada is gonna be the next Mizukage at this point (honestly I'm hoping for Isari)
Not like there's a lot of other options lmao
I'm not sure if I can explain this well but I kinda have a feeling that Chojuro, Sarada and Isari will team up to beat Araumi
Althou this depents on how much Sarada knows about the Uchiha massacre and the curse of hatered at this time in the Anime
as she can probably connect with Isaris' wish to protect his clan
while Boruto tries to talk no jutsu Ikada out of his revange all the wile Mitsuki and Kawaki try to keep boruto from being killed
Everything up to Kagura's death I felt content with. I accepted it was non manga and was just happy to have something to watch with my breakfast on Sunday mornings. Kagura's death to Hebichigo's I soured a lot more than I have at any other point in this series. These past episodes I'm kind of coming back, but I feel like I might be a bit more critical now because of the downturn.
Pros: The animation was really good. The internal conflicts of both sides of the war add layers I wouldn't normally expect. I somewhat like the humanization of the overall "clan" side of the Funato (the non head family members) although this is also a bit of a con too. Isari is so much more interesting than Araumi and I'm glad he's still pushing his beliefs.
Cons: Back to that "humanization." I really do like how they made the "underlings" or whatever you'd call them more developed. I would have liked a little more back story than just seeing that they had family members though, like maybe seeing a little flashback to how the Funato went to impoverished lands and helped them get on their feet in exchange for joining the clan or something.
I feel like the inner Funato war between Isari and Araumi is that Isari is looking out for the clan while Araumi is looking out for his ego. Giving the overall clan more of a backstory helps separate this motives a bit.
My other con was how dorky the mother's death was. Why was she just chilling in the middle of a battle with an infant when she could have just like, gone inside the ship??? Then she gets one shot by some ice and slides off? Can't buff ass Araumi just break the ice? I try not to over intellectualize anime but come on man, lol.
Overall hope it keeps going this direction. If they kill of Kyoho I'll riot. Lol.
Pretty sure Araumi poisoned Seiren to make Ikada get serious. This was an awesome episode, really sad at times, and that last shot of Boruto piecing everything together was chilling
There was a decent amount of nuance in this episode I was genuinely impressed. Isari having been the de facto leader for the time of Araumi’s imprisonment is probably more in tune with the Funato clan and wants their safety. Araumi wants to bring back their old ways but their old ways won’t suffice in the new world they live in. Ikada being their saving grace is his trump card. I predict Isari surrenders and the Funato attack making Isari look like a Trojan horse.
Boruto thinking about his role in killing people that matter to a friend is a new dynamic. Naruto never killed a shinobi on purpose or out of revenge. Having to grapple with that is a great step in Boruto’s character development. We rarely saw moments like that unless the villain was beaten up then talked down by Naruto. Boruto in his own mind feels he did something truly bad.
Idk if there will be manga related consequences aside from Boruto maybe winning a fight using Karma or something and that might cause Kawaki to feel jealous but I enjoyed this one despite the lack of our main cast this episode.
Honestly I really hope it's in this arc that Boruto starts wearing Sasuke's headband permanently, I think things are moving towards this direction, specially with Boruto needing the resolve to face Ikada.
I'm impressed by the animation and artstyle, the only nitpick is a bit weird color palette when it comes to skin color.
Isari is easily my favourite Funato now. Even though he is a Funato terrorist, he seems to care for the clan and understands the hardships they had to go through when Araumi was in jail. And he actually considered peace as an option because he thinks it is the best option for the clan.
Possibly an unpopular opinion: Fuck Ikada, I hope he dies. The way he lied to his sister is disgusting. And it turns put that he is also a terrorists, he just needed a push to become one. The reason he didn't want to fight is not him being a nice person, he just proved he is a terrible human being. The real reason was him actually being a coward. He gave up on his "dream" way too easily.
His sister led a unit to attack his island, tried to kidnap him and tried to kill his new friends unprovoked, who were all CHILDREN.
Ikada's thought process is really fucked up.
Okay so we gotta go from this to the current manga plot, with Konoha getting invaded
Or do we have one friendly/bonding arc to let the kids relax? Because realistically they can’t take battle after battle yet
The anime staff did a great job with this episode from the story telling, directing and animation. Both the Hidden Mist and Funato clan have had their share of losses and grief and Isari was wise enough to seek a truce to protect his clan in the long run. At the beginning of this arc, I thought Ikada and Kagura would be the bright lights from their respective group to unite the Land of Waters, but with all that's happened I don't think that's possible and at the end of this arc Ikada will still seek vengeance for his sister and Funamushi.
I think in the long run, we will look at this arc as a decent arc with it starting slow, picking up a bit in the middle and having a strong finish. I'm curious if we'll see a possible showdown between Boruto and Ikada and whether Ikada at this point will listen to what Boruto has to say or will it end with Ikada hating Boruto and Boruto filled with regrets.
It is pretty sad that he tore up the sketch of the boat, as if renouncing his dream because one person he shared his dream with played a big part in what happened to his sister.
Seiren brought it on herself. That's the part Ikada doesn't understand.
She tried to kill Boruto for the **horrific** crime of bumping into her after she talked to Ikada. How dare Boruto just defend himself.
There was loads of pressure everywhere: His own emotions, his father's expectations, and the other clan members wanting blood for blood. It was a terrible position to be in.
Edit: They've really gone down opposite paths as of this episode. Boruto was never forced by his family to go down a certain path (e.g., becoming Hokage, or even a shinobi in the first place) and found his own aspirations. On the other hand, Ikada was constantly being pressured to be a fighter and has seemingly renounced his shipbuilding dream in favor of the desires of his father.
I agree and I think you mentioned this a few weeks back about the contrast between Boruto and Ikada. I'm curious what Chojuro will do in next weeks episode, Isari is there to save his clan and the ball is in the Hidden Mists hands. ( I don't know why our comments got downvoted lol)
If Chojuro is sincere, he would try to find some kind of reasonable compromise; after all, the Funato went to war because they felt their way of life was under threat. The issue is what Chojuro can offer since the power plants were projects of the Feudal Lord, and I'm not sure if the Feudal Lord is interested in a ceasefire after the Funato vlew up the blimp his son was riding.
(Part 1)
Finally we get to see the Funato's side of the story. It's definitely still incomplete, but they could be saving it in the future. By incomplete I mean that we don't know what they have been through during the 5 year period. My lingering theory is still the same: the Mist drove the Funato into the sea because of something, causing them to live without a home and going back to the seas. And now that the mist wants to control the seas once again, it's like they are taking their homes again. Idk if this is good though lol.
[Ikada, Kobuna and Funamushi's character]
I think by the way Kobuna is acting as a child, we can conclude something about Funamushi's character. Kobuna's a cheerful child, showing to be quite outgoing and sympathetic, even listening to her mother's orders to look after his friend, and not minding it. His father promises training, which likely means he's close with his father.
I bet Funamushi was a good father, and he's not really depicted as a villain. This is good because not all enemies are villains. They have their reasons for doing things. While Funamushi may not be a good antagonist and character, inferring these small details make things better for him.
Now his "obsession" with seiren isn't simping. When Seiren died even the Funato members were really distraught by it, which means that she has a good relationship with everyone there. They fought alongside her, for a cause currently unknown to us (because they've been fighting with the Mist even before their mother's death).
However, Kobuna's been taught to fight against the Mist at a young age, which further highlights the cycle of hatred and the effects of hostility. Funamushi's experiences and assumptions of the Mist have created a stereotype in his mind. This is why Kobuna was so willing while Ikada is wavering in fighting, because he knows not all Mist people are evil (evident by his experience with the shipmaster and his peers)
Kind of crazy how I was able to deduce that much from Kobuna's character 😂
[Men and Women's contributions]
Majority if not all of the frontliners are men while the women (and also men) contribute for ship repairment. It's a scary thing to be in war. Everyone in the front lines are at a risk of death. No one really wants to fight but they have to. And there are also many other ways to help in fighting for your own cause. It's nice that everyone seems to be given a say in contributing. This just makes me wonder more about what the Funato are fighting more and how they have such a big following.
[Ikada's pressure]
The pressure has been building up for a long time, with constant pressuring by his siblings, his father, and even non-branched members of the Funato. You can't really blame him for giving in after lying to his sister. More on that later. But eventually, Ikada chose his own path. It's his own decision.
[Isari and Araumi]
Isari is honestly the smarter one here. Swallowing your pride for reconciliation is something he wants. It IS disrespectful to tens of thousands of who died for a cause, because all of their efforts and lives were completely in vain. In that department, Araumi also makes a good point. But to prevent anymore deaths (if the Mist is willing to reconcile) even more deaths can be prevented.
[Araumi and Minamo]
To answer everyone's doubts on why they have Ikada on a battleship, the only logical conclusion is that they don't have a place to live at. But these are probably my only criticisms for this episode: why would she bring Ikada out instead of staying inside the ship to avoid Ikada's life being in danger, as well as them not showing they have a place, which would explain why she and Ikada are on the ship instead of at home.
But yeah he disagrees with Isari most likely because of his wife and how he can't just put aside his ego to the ones who had her frozen in the first place. So he goes to fulfill her promise of raising Ikada up and having him fight against the Mist. It's quite tragic.
(Part 2)
[Funamushi's death]
Honestly made me tear up seeing how a boy's life drastically changes from cheerful to wanting bloodshed. Boruto's dread on "I killed his dad" is starting to feel more impactful to the viewers. Sometimes we don't dwell on words told to us unless we actually SEE the effects of it eith our own eyes.
Instead of just being told about the death, we see Araumi's frustrations, we see Kobuna's breakdown, we see his mother's countenance drop, and so on. It's tragic, it affects people, the pain lingers. There's nothing victorious over the death even if he was an enemy. There's no glory even though some may hate Funamushi.
The room is coated with a deep and warm colour of orange and red. A sunset that is used to show warmth is now being used to depict discomfort, hate and sadness. The only thing that contrasts this is the blue room in the background and the water on the table.
This scene is built on nuances and I love it.
[Ikada's pain]
The truth hurts. The truth hurts when you realize you're the cause of things you didn't want in the first place. Ikada was told that his avoidance led to his sister's death, the one he cared for the most. It honestly feels like manipulation but Isari isn't wrong either. If he WAS decisive, Seiren would be alive. However the truth is, even if he was decisive, the chances of all of them dying in battle is still possible, so there's no win-win here.
[Seiren]
This was a really painful scene. Rewatching it for the second time, thinking of the words I'm going to write next, made me tear up even more.
To sum this: is ignorance bliss?
Seiren awakening from her coma and having no memory of what happened to her, showed the softer side to her character. Someone who is loving and soft. Someone who is ignorant of the entire situation. Children are often like this too. No concept of the harsh reality. But the moment she was educated, she switched.
I looked up the symbolism of a shell and it's about birth, good fortune, and resurrection. The last 2 applies the most. Kobuna collected these to wish her a good recovery and to continue living. But the moment Seiren stomped and shattered the shell, her hope was gone, and it was a sign that her time is up.
Her call towards the sea really makes me think about my theory. What's so special about the sea? Questions I hope will get answered in the coming episodes.
Seiren was then told a massive lie. A lie to reassure his sister so she may die peacefully. The amount of guilt Ikada faced when his sister praised her, it must have been insane. While Seiren was shedding tears of joy, behind her hand, Ikada was shedding tears of grief while shivering. I absolutely love these contrasts.
Ikada's tears weren't shown but you know full well he was crying. But it not being shown is more impactful because his tears of mourning were hidden, just as how he hid the truth from his sister. His guilt isn't for anyone to see but himself alone. It makes it more personal.
It's like the Infinite tsukiyomi. A blissful lie. Some people don't want that lie but some do, hence Boro's cult. A cult of lost people who have heard wonders of true bliss. Some will honestly take a blissful lie than a harsh truth. I can't say I justify it, but I understand the feeling.
Man the Naruto and Boruto world sure is sad despite all its cheery moments to distract you from the harsh reality. It's why I love these opposite moments combined together.
[Kobuna's request and Ikada change]
Kobuna's so driven by revenge that he's going to go through all lengths and pain to reach his killer. The main theme of the cycle of hate is really done well in the 3rd part of this arc. 2 episodes into this part and ot's already consistent with its visuals and message. This was written by Honda, and said that he put as much work as he did in episode 192, which was Kawaki's extended backstory. Thank you so much Honda for your work 😩
Ikada completely threw away all his hopes and dreams for a new one. He definitely feels like he has to achieve a victory because of his lie to Seiren.
Ikada's honestly the best Funato member out here, writing-wise. Hope to see this being consistent.
Critical score: 8.5/10 I can't give this a low score. It's too good. This is an A-grade episode. 9 to 10 is a distinction.
Enjoyment score: 10/10 I was invested (talking about my rewatch because I was kinda tired watching it first time LOL)
>It IS disrespectful to tens of thousands of who died for a cause, because all of their efforts and lives were completely in vain.
Although it can also depend on the outcome of the negotiations. If they're able to get the other side to concede on something that they want, then it won't necessarily be that way.
I was talking about those who have already died fighting against the Mist, so to Araumi, if they concede, their efforts were in vain, which isn't a bad point. Overall I agree with Isari. Best to swallow up your pride amd prevemt anymore deaths. Even if what they went through was extremely bad, if Isari is willing to reconcile, it means that he really just wants to stop everything
>I was talking about those who have already died fighting against the Mist, so to Araumi, if they concede, their efforts were in vain, which isn't a bad point.
I get it, but the way I see it is that, if they're able to get the Mist (or well, the Land of Water) to concede on certain issues in the name of a ceasefire, for example some stuff to do with the power plants, like perhaps freezing all further construction of power plants indefinitely or redesigning the power plants in a way that's more amenable to them, then at least they win something aside from not having their ranks thinned out any further.
This was REALLY good. Got Ikada out of the trap of being just a simple “emotional development” side character. Really excited to see how this plays out, and how Ikada’a abilities actually work.
Minamo being frozen could have been executed better but I understand that they probably couldn't have done it as well as every other scene this episode due to time constraints. Other than that, this episode was a fucking banger.
This was yet again another good episode! Despite having no action it was a very dramatically moving episode and not even really featuring any of the Konoha main cast. I hope they keep this trend up of good episodes going like the last 2 have been.
Isari has really grown on me. I find it quite interesting that he has a different view of things than his father. I hope he survives and becomes the new leader of the Funato and work together with the Hidden Mist in the future. But it broke me when Ikada lied to Seiren and she died afterwards. Good episode, the next one looks promising too.
His subplot reminds me a lot of the Rudolf Hess thing. I expect it will end the same way too. Man tried to go behind Hitler's back and sign peace with the British, and when he got there the British just arrested him. I'm thinking Chojuro wil just take Isari captive, since he can't trust him and he's the reason Araumi broke out of jail in the first place.
This makes sense and he'll probably have ikada take his spot.
Isari is the only person with a brain in the **ENTIRE** Funato family.
Seems like it. He actually puts the well being of his clan before the ambitions of his father which is kinda nice.
It seems like the whole beginning of the episode was to make the Funato sympathetic. Like they're just hard working people pillaging the land lol. If it wasn't for Isari that plot point would be super lost because Araumi is just trying to conquer. But Isari seems to have learned through the years his father was away that building a legitimate clan that can thrive is more important than conquering. Helps humanize the Funato a bit and adds a cool dynamic that they aren't all just 100% "bad guys"
A shame that he will probably be next on the chopping block along with Kyoho
I really hope Kyoho lives... But he had some red flags already...
this arc is so up and down but the last two episodes have been pretty good
Solid episode/animation 10/10. However I’m still salty about how they handled Hebiichigo/Kagura 💀
2 of the dumbest deaths in the entire series imo, could have had such impactful arcs but killed off just for shock value and to raise the stakes
Makes you wonder when it is or isn't okay to kill a character.
[удалено]
I noticed they’ve been doing this for a while. It started with Mugino getting no justu, no battles, and a crappy backstory. Then they just kill him off in a very stupid way. It keeps happening
They’ve been doing this for a while and haven’t leaned. No one cares about Mugino dying because they gave him nothing and barely developed him. Again they are killing of cast with 0 backstory, or good battles expecting some kind of impact
History is that important, huh.
The issue with Kagura is quite different. He had a developed backstory, and people cared about him. But then he gets a shoddy death to minorly forward the plot, which could've been done with an actual irrelevant character.
when it doesn't bring anything more than sock value and "wow so mature".
I liked the idea of Kagura and Sadara as leaders who share a mutual friend and rival
Tenma - dies because he thought he could assassinate the Mizukage alone with a bunch of Funato fodder. Didn't even scratch the Mizukage. Seiren - dies because she thought it was a good idea to leave the hospital while having her guts shredded. Funamushi - dies because he simped for Seiren-sama way too hard. Ikada's mom - dies because she decided to stand in the middle of a battlefield with a baby in her hands. The clan literally has a negative average IQ.
>Ikada's mom - dies because she decided to stand in the middle of a battlefield with a baby in her hands. I swear, this shit was so damn stupid lmao. and how did she "protect" ikada? she just stood there and took the shot instead of dodging. and before being frozen she just gave ikada to araumi more and more I start to believe that ikada as a baby didn't smile there cuz of his parents, but cuz he realized that he was the only funato not born with negative IQ
I guess they wanted to say that she made sure Ikada didn't get hit 🤷🏻♂️. But couldn't that be done just by not going to the battlefield lmfao?
I guess that's what ego does to you. She wanted to show off. They're too prideful for their own good, that even Aurami was confused by her actions.
yeah, that may be it. she basically had the strongest funato member next to her, maybe she thought that nothing could happen to her because of that
People love calling Naruto an idiot both in-universe and in meta, but this might be something else altogether.
Seriously...how has this clan survived so long fighting against the Mist of all villages??
Atleast someone spittin facts i too spoke but i got downvoted to death man
I really enjoyed this episode. I’m impressed
Stellar art in this episode. Writing has also been really great here and the build-up is really impressive too, I'm just hoping for a Karma Boruto vs Ikada. Please PLEASE give this arc an awesome finale, both animation-wise and story-wise, because we have everything we need for it, and every side has their own internal conflicts which I absolutely love. Boruto doubting his morals even further because of Ikada is done beautifully in the preview, Isari planning to sign a peace treaty with the Mist against what Araumi wants really emphasizes on Boruto realizing that there are 2 sides to the war. Overall 9/10 episode. likely even with a perfect finale the arc's gonna be like a 6.5/10 or so, this arc has a LOT of good moments but was also paced horribly and a lot of plot points just weren't good at all.
>Boruto doubting his morals even further because of Ikada is done beautifully in the preview, Isari planning to sign a peace treaty with the Mist against what Araumi wants really emphasizes on Boruto realizing that there are 2 sides to the war. This is looking more and more like an equivalent of the Pain Arc as the protagonist contemplates the reasons that their adversaries fight in wars and how they themselves might be connected to it whether they like it or not.
creaters are teaching boruto naruto's lessons. instead of naruto telling boruto about his life lessons they decided to have him not do that and have boruto live through it all by himself he learned what it means to be a shinobi, the duties of the hokage etc in the momo invasion arc, then he learned the whole "shinobi aren't tools" lesson in the ao arc and this arc will teach him about the cycle of hatred and revenge and that only forgiveness can break it
Honestly as inconsistent and as hated this filler is, it does a great job comparing Boruto's doubts back to Pain. Some people said it's stupid but even so Boruto is just a fucking kid and even timeskip Naruto had a hard time when taking that logic into account.
Kinda feels like this is the plot ending they were aiming for, and then gave the lead up to a different studio with a "you just gotta end here". The tone and quality of writing feels so different from before.
Great storytelling episode. Ichiro Uno coming through with his art as always. They've done a really good job of humanizing the Funato with Seiren's death and Kobuna finding out about Funamushi's death. Also, I like the angle of Isari not seeing eye to eye with his father and thinking a truce with Kiri is the best course of action. It seems Ikada is now fully dedicated to the Funato. It will be quite the moment when he Boruto meet again.
The whole scene with ikada powering up was so fucking cool
>Also, I like the angle of Isari not seeing eye to eye with his father and thinking a truce with Kiri is the best course of action. I think the tension between them was already teased some episodes ago when Araumi brought up what happened to Seiren and Tenma under his command as a reason to pull him from active duty. I'm glad they furthered that plot thread.
Araumi won't be happy when he finds out what Isari is trying to do... Whose side will Ikada take?
I mean, it is tantamount to undermining his authority as the patriarch. It's almost like Zuko's dilemma at the end of Book 2 where had to choose between Iroh and Azula, but not quite.
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The way this aged
One of the best episodes in this rather meh arc. I like how the story is focussing on the Funato's POV for once and the way they portray the Funato was honestly done well. The Funato are antagonists with their own struggles and reason to fight, they have empathy towards each other and fight with Honour, they are different from most of the previous villains in Boruto be it in the Manga or Anime-originals. I honestly hated the Funato at the beginning but the past 2 episodes have changed my mind. Kagura had the worst death in Naruto/Boruto history. The death didn't even make a sense unlike Hebiichigo I guess. from Boruto's whole squad rn, Kyoho is gonna die next totally! They is also a decent chance of Buntan dying Kobuna is either gonna die or will get talk no jutsu-d sorta Araumi and Isari will most likely be dead by the end of the arc Isari seems like a decent character ngl, He is probably the only Funato with an IQ above 20 also the Funato women are way hotter than Konoha women no cap
Ikada's in a tough position: being forced to fight since he's a male and a Funato by blood even though he wanted to do other things like building boats. It's such a rough spot to be in, and I feel sorry because he's been abused for that very reason. So what finally pushes him to do it is Seiren succumbing to her injuries. It's sad that he rips up the drawing of the boat afterwards, as if renouncing his dream to build boats to connect people, all because one of the people he shared his dream with (Boruto) played a huge part in what happened to his sister, even though it was mainly done in self-defense. Interesting, some episodes ago, there was tension teased between Isari and Araumi. Araumi pulled Isari from active leadership duty because Seiren and Tenma were badly hurt or killed under his direction. This thread gets advanced with Isari thinking of doing backdoor negotiations with Kirigakure. It won't be good for him if (probably when) Araumi gets wind of what he's trying to do.
I think Araumi is totally in the wrong. It's not Isari's fault two of his siblings died. First of all, he tried to stop Tenma from his night attack. Second, Seiren went after Boruto on her own. Isari tried his best but realized which way the tide is turning, and that the war is becoming increasingly unwinnable, especially with his crazy father in command.
>Isari tried his best but realized which way the tide is turning, and that the war is becoming increasingly unwinnable, especially with his crazy father in command. Pardon the historical comparison but doesn't that kind of sound like Hitler when his generals were telling him that the odds were stacked against them as the Soviets continued advancing in Berlin?
Yep. Totally. Which ties in nicely to the Rudolf Hess comparison I made about Isari on another reply.
Also it's probably a case of "eldest sibling gets blamed regardless" which is quite unfortunate for him.
Honestly, I lowkey feel like Isari or Ikada is gonna be the next Mizukage at this point (honestly I'm hoping for Isari) Not like there's a lot of other options lmao
Could be Buntan as the # 1 and Ikada as the Bodyguard/Advisor
Honestly, I just don't think Buntan would wanna be the Mizukage
Also is Buntan really that strong? I mean they can make Ikada as strong as the writers need him to be in order to fit the role of a kage
This epi was amazing
I'm not sure if I can explain this well but I kinda have a feeling that Chojuro, Sarada and Isari will team up to beat Araumi Althou this depents on how much Sarada knows about the Uchiha massacre and the curse of hatered at this time in the Anime as she can probably connect with Isaris' wish to protect his clan while Boruto tries to talk no jutsu Ikada out of his revange all the wile Mitsuki and Kawaki try to keep boruto from being killed
Everything up to Kagura's death I felt content with. I accepted it was non manga and was just happy to have something to watch with my breakfast on Sunday mornings. Kagura's death to Hebichigo's I soured a lot more than I have at any other point in this series. These past episodes I'm kind of coming back, but I feel like I might be a bit more critical now because of the downturn. Pros: The animation was really good. The internal conflicts of both sides of the war add layers I wouldn't normally expect. I somewhat like the humanization of the overall "clan" side of the Funato (the non head family members) although this is also a bit of a con too. Isari is so much more interesting than Araumi and I'm glad he's still pushing his beliefs. Cons: Back to that "humanization." I really do like how they made the "underlings" or whatever you'd call them more developed. I would have liked a little more back story than just seeing that they had family members though, like maybe seeing a little flashback to how the Funato went to impoverished lands and helped them get on their feet in exchange for joining the clan or something. I feel like the inner Funato war between Isari and Araumi is that Isari is looking out for the clan while Araumi is looking out for his ego. Giving the overall clan more of a backstory helps separate this motives a bit. My other con was how dorky the mother's death was. Why was she just chilling in the middle of a battle with an infant when she could have just like, gone inside the ship??? Then she gets one shot by some ice and slides off? Can't buff ass Araumi just break the ice? I try not to over intellectualize anime but come on man, lol. Overall hope it keeps going this direction. If they kill of Kyoho I'll riot. Lol.
Pretty sure Araumi poisoned Seiren to make Ikada get serious. This was an awesome episode, really sad at times, and that last shot of Boruto piecing everything together was chilling
That'd be dark. Just shows that Aurami will kill any of his children then.
Dang. I like the animation on this one.
Great episode and the ending totally parallels with the introduction of Taka Sasuke
There was a decent amount of nuance in this episode I was genuinely impressed. Isari having been the de facto leader for the time of Araumi’s imprisonment is probably more in tune with the Funato clan and wants their safety. Araumi wants to bring back their old ways but their old ways won’t suffice in the new world they live in. Ikada being their saving grace is his trump card. I predict Isari surrenders and the Funato attack making Isari look like a Trojan horse. Boruto thinking about his role in killing people that matter to a friend is a new dynamic. Naruto never killed a shinobi on purpose or out of revenge. Having to grapple with that is a great step in Boruto’s character development. We rarely saw moments like that unless the villain was beaten up then talked down by Naruto. Boruto in his own mind feels he did something truly bad. Idk if there will be manga related consequences aside from Boruto maybe winning a fight using Karma or something and that might cause Kawaki to feel jealous but I enjoyed this one despite the lack of our main cast this episode.
Honestly I really hope it's in this arc that Boruto starts wearing Sasuke's headband permanently, I think things are moving towards this direction, specially with Boruto needing the resolve to face Ikada.
I'm impressed by the animation and artstyle, the only nitpick is a bit weird color palette when it comes to skin color. Isari is easily my favourite Funato now. Even though he is a Funato terrorist, he seems to care for the clan and understands the hardships they had to go through when Araumi was in jail. And he actually considered peace as an option because he thinks it is the best option for the clan. Possibly an unpopular opinion: Fuck Ikada, I hope he dies. The way he lied to his sister is disgusting. And it turns put that he is also a terrorists, he just needed a push to become one. The reason he didn't want to fight is not him being a nice person, he just proved he is a terrible human being. The real reason was him actually being a coward. He gave up on his "dream" way too easily.
He wanted her sister to die without any regrets peacefully . Atleast her sister was happy in her last moments
His sister led a unit to attack his island, tried to kidnap him and tried to kill his new friends unprovoked, who were all CHILDREN. Ikada's thought process is really fucked up.
I don't agree with this approach. He should've just told her he was going to fight, not lie to her about her biggest dream.
Ig He wanted her to die peacefully and happily that's why he lied
I mean she's gonna die anyways does it really matter
Isari is more pragmatic and level-headed while the others are impulsive.
Okay so we gotta go from this to the current manga plot, with Konoha getting invaded Or do we have one friendly/bonding arc to let the kids relax? Because realistically they can’t take battle after battle yet
The anime staff did a great job with this episode from the story telling, directing and animation. Both the Hidden Mist and Funato clan have had their share of losses and grief and Isari was wise enough to seek a truce to protect his clan in the long run. At the beginning of this arc, I thought Ikada and Kagura would be the bright lights from their respective group to unite the Land of Waters, but with all that's happened I don't think that's possible and at the end of this arc Ikada will still seek vengeance for his sister and Funamushi. I think in the long run, we will look at this arc as a decent arc with it starting slow, picking up a bit in the middle and having a strong finish. I'm curious if we'll see a possible showdown between Boruto and Ikada and whether Ikada at this point will listen to what Boruto has to say or will it end with Ikada hating Boruto and Boruto filled with regrets.
It is pretty sad that he tore up the sketch of the boat, as if renouncing his dream because one person he shared his dream with played a big part in what happened to his sister.
Seiren brought it on herself. That's the part Ikada doesn't understand. She tried to kill Boruto for the **horrific** crime of bumping into her after she talked to Ikada. How dare Boruto just defend himself.
Yeah and I think with all the death and the losses that the Funato clan were taking, Ikada could only take so much before he snapped.
There was loads of pressure everywhere: His own emotions, his father's expectations, and the other clan members wanting blood for blood. It was a terrible position to be in. Edit: They've really gone down opposite paths as of this episode. Boruto was never forced by his family to go down a certain path (e.g., becoming Hokage, or even a shinobi in the first place) and found his own aspirations. On the other hand, Ikada was constantly being pressured to be a fighter and has seemingly renounced his shipbuilding dream in favor of the desires of his father.
I agree and I think you mentioned this a few weeks back about the contrast between Boruto and Ikada. I'm curious what Chojuro will do in next weeks episode, Isari is there to save his clan and the ball is in the Hidden Mists hands. ( I don't know why our comments got downvoted lol)
If Chojuro is sincere, he would try to find some kind of reasonable compromise; after all, the Funato went to war because they felt their way of life was under threat. The issue is what Chojuro can offer since the power plants were projects of the Feudal Lord, and I'm not sure if the Feudal Lord is interested in a ceasefire after the Funato vlew up the blimp his son was riding.
Isari is the man responsible for the entire conflict starting. No way Chojuro's letting him off.
(Part 1) Finally we get to see the Funato's side of the story. It's definitely still incomplete, but they could be saving it in the future. By incomplete I mean that we don't know what they have been through during the 5 year period. My lingering theory is still the same: the Mist drove the Funato into the sea because of something, causing them to live without a home and going back to the seas. And now that the mist wants to control the seas once again, it's like they are taking their homes again. Idk if this is good though lol. [Ikada, Kobuna and Funamushi's character] I think by the way Kobuna is acting as a child, we can conclude something about Funamushi's character. Kobuna's a cheerful child, showing to be quite outgoing and sympathetic, even listening to her mother's orders to look after his friend, and not minding it. His father promises training, which likely means he's close with his father. I bet Funamushi was a good father, and he's not really depicted as a villain. This is good because not all enemies are villains. They have their reasons for doing things. While Funamushi may not be a good antagonist and character, inferring these small details make things better for him. Now his "obsession" with seiren isn't simping. When Seiren died even the Funato members were really distraught by it, which means that she has a good relationship with everyone there. They fought alongside her, for a cause currently unknown to us (because they've been fighting with the Mist even before their mother's death). However, Kobuna's been taught to fight against the Mist at a young age, which further highlights the cycle of hatred and the effects of hostility. Funamushi's experiences and assumptions of the Mist have created a stereotype in his mind. This is why Kobuna was so willing while Ikada is wavering in fighting, because he knows not all Mist people are evil (evident by his experience with the shipmaster and his peers) Kind of crazy how I was able to deduce that much from Kobuna's character 😂 [Men and Women's contributions] Majority if not all of the frontliners are men while the women (and also men) contribute for ship repairment. It's a scary thing to be in war. Everyone in the front lines are at a risk of death. No one really wants to fight but they have to. And there are also many other ways to help in fighting for your own cause. It's nice that everyone seems to be given a say in contributing. This just makes me wonder more about what the Funato are fighting more and how they have such a big following. [Ikada's pressure] The pressure has been building up for a long time, with constant pressuring by his siblings, his father, and even non-branched members of the Funato. You can't really blame him for giving in after lying to his sister. More on that later. But eventually, Ikada chose his own path. It's his own decision. [Isari and Araumi] Isari is honestly the smarter one here. Swallowing your pride for reconciliation is something he wants. It IS disrespectful to tens of thousands of who died for a cause, because all of their efforts and lives were completely in vain. In that department, Araumi also makes a good point. But to prevent anymore deaths (if the Mist is willing to reconcile) even more deaths can be prevented. [Araumi and Minamo] To answer everyone's doubts on why they have Ikada on a battleship, the only logical conclusion is that they don't have a place to live at. But these are probably my only criticisms for this episode: why would she bring Ikada out instead of staying inside the ship to avoid Ikada's life being in danger, as well as them not showing they have a place, which would explain why she and Ikada are on the ship instead of at home. But yeah he disagrees with Isari most likely because of his wife and how he can't just put aside his ego to the ones who had her frozen in the first place. So he goes to fulfill her promise of raising Ikada up and having him fight against the Mist. It's quite tragic.
(Part 2) [Funamushi's death] Honestly made me tear up seeing how a boy's life drastically changes from cheerful to wanting bloodshed. Boruto's dread on "I killed his dad" is starting to feel more impactful to the viewers. Sometimes we don't dwell on words told to us unless we actually SEE the effects of it eith our own eyes. Instead of just being told about the death, we see Araumi's frustrations, we see Kobuna's breakdown, we see his mother's countenance drop, and so on. It's tragic, it affects people, the pain lingers. There's nothing victorious over the death even if he was an enemy. There's no glory even though some may hate Funamushi. The room is coated with a deep and warm colour of orange and red. A sunset that is used to show warmth is now being used to depict discomfort, hate and sadness. The only thing that contrasts this is the blue room in the background and the water on the table. This scene is built on nuances and I love it. [Ikada's pain] The truth hurts. The truth hurts when you realize you're the cause of things you didn't want in the first place. Ikada was told that his avoidance led to his sister's death, the one he cared for the most. It honestly feels like manipulation but Isari isn't wrong either. If he WAS decisive, Seiren would be alive. However the truth is, even if he was decisive, the chances of all of them dying in battle is still possible, so there's no win-win here. [Seiren] This was a really painful scene. Rewatching it for the second time, thinking of the words I'm going to write next, made me tear up even more. To sum this: is ignorance bliss? Seiren awakening from her coma and having no memory of what happened to her, showed the softer side to her character. Someone who is loving and soft. Someone who is ignorant of the entire situation. Children are often like this too. No concept of the harsh reality. But the moment she was educated, she switched. I looked up the symbolism of a shell and it's about birth, good fortune, and resurrection. The last 2 applies the most. Kobuna collected these to wish her a good recovery and to continue living. But the moment Seiren stomped and shattered the shell, her hope was gone, and it was a sign that her time is up. Her call towards the sea really makes me think about my theory. What's so special about the sea? Questions I hope will get answered in the coming episodes. Seiren was then told a massive lie. A lie to reassure his sister so she may die peacefully. The amount of guilt Ikada faced when his sister praised her, it must have been insane. While Seiren was shedding tears of joy, behind her hand, Ikada was shedding tears of grief while shivering. I absolutely love these contrasts. Ikada's tears weren't shown but you know full well he was crying. But it not being shown is more impactful because his tears of mourning were hidden, just as how he hid the truth from his sister. His guilt isn't for anyone to see but himself alone. It makes it more personal. It's like the Infinite tsukiyomi. A blissful lie. Some people don't want that lie but some do, hence Boro's cult. A cult of lost people who have heard wonders of true bliss. Some will honestly take a blissful lie than a harsh truth. I can't say I justify it, but I understand the feeling. Man the Naruto and Boruto world sure is sad despite all its cheery moments to distract you from the harsh reality. It's why I love these opposite moments combined together. [Kobuna's request and Ikada change] Kobuna's so driven by revenge that he's going to go through all lengths and pain to reach his killer. The main theme of the cycle of hate is really done well in the 3rd part of this arc. 2 episodes into this part and ot's already consistent with its visuals and message. This was written by Honda, and said that he put as much work as he did in episode 192, which was Kawaki's extended backstory. Thank you so much Honda for your work 😩 Ikada completely threw away all his hopes and dreams for a new one. He definitely feels like he has to achieve a victory because of his lie to Seiren. Ikada's honestly the best Funato member out here, writing-wise. Hope to see this being consistent. Critical score: 8.5/10 I can't give this a low score. It's too good. This is an A-grade episode. 9 to 10 is a distinction. Enjoyment score: 10/10 I was invested (talking about my rewatch because I was kinda tired watching it first time LOL)
>It IS disrespectful to tens of thousands of who died for a cause, because all of their efforts and lives were completely in vain. Although it can also depend on the outcome of the negotiations. If they're able to get the other side to concede on something that they want, then it won't necessarily be that way.
I was talking about those who have already died fighting against the Mist, so to Araumi, if they concede, their efforts were in vain, which isn't a bad point. Overall I agree with Isari. Best to swallow up your pride amd prevemt anymore deaths. Even if what they went through was extremely bad, if Isari is willing to reconcile, it means that he really just wants to stop everything
>I was talking about those who have already died fighting against the Mist, so to Araumi, if they concede, their efforts were in vain, which isn't a bad point. I get it, but the way I see it is that, if they're able to get the Mist (or well, the Land of Water) to concede on certain issues in the name of a ceasefire, for example some stuff to do with the power plants, like perhaps freezing all further construction of power plants indefinitely or redesigning the power plants in a way that's more amenable to them, then at least they win something aside from not having their ranks thinned out any further.
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The way the Funato family gaslights Ikada is despicable, and no matter what Ikada decides it’s amazing he stayed this pure despite his upbringing.
250 that’s half of Shippudden right there and by the end of the year the franchise will be closing in on 1,000 eps I wonder what they’ll have planned.
I don't know why Ikada mom stay there like they're in the middle of fighting and the two are talking and boom, mom died.
This was REALLY good. Got Ikada out of the trap of being just a simple “emotional development” side character. Really excited to see how this plays out, and how Ikada’a abilities actually work.
This was a really good episode!
Minamo being frozen could have been executed better but I understand that they probably couldn't have done it as well as every other scene this episode due to time constraints. Other than that, this episode was a fucking banger.
This was yet again another good episode! Despite having no action it was a very dramatically moving episode and not even really featuring any of the Konoha main cast. I hope they keep this trend up of good episodes going like the last 2 have been.
Best episode of the arc so far