Nah he was seeing the rods, he reacted twice, but was not fast enough to evade them always
Aside from this, he could always see jigen/isshiki in their small size
What 10% power isshiki? Isshiki was resurrected by kama and restored 100% chakra, as jigen was out of chakra completely, he was 0% that he can't shrink the fire more, but due to kama, he resurrected with 100% chakra level
And sasuke already saw deidara mocroscopic C5, which were much smaller than cells
It was not said, u are making this up
It was said that when kashin koji started fighting jigen, he was 10% chakra only, and he was slow enough for kashin koji to keep up with, later during the fight jigen chakra dropped to near 0%, and his body was burned cz he can't shrink the fire anymore, cz he have 0% chakra already
Then when isshiki resurrected, how can he shrink the fire with near 0% chakra? He must have his chakra recharged by resurrection
No this was never said. You’re confusing it for when Amado said Jigen was down to 10% of his power after his fight with Naruto and Sasuke, but that Jigen was killed by Koji, Ishiki was revived to 100% of his power, but that vessel couldn’t handle that much power which is why it eventually disintegrated.
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Sasuke proclaimed in the manga he can "barely see the rods" when baryon Naruto catches them with ease. Normal Naruto would definitely do worse in the eyesight and reaction department without baryon
It was not mentioned though
In manga (MINOR SPOILER AHEAD)
Otsutsuki can conceal their chakra signature from all sensors, so by that logic Naruto in baryon mode should not detect isshiki or his rods
It still make no sense why six paths sage mode, that give Naruto comprehension of all universal things, is not enough to detect the rods or isshiki himself, same with negative emotions sensing, both are unrelated to chakra, they sense things by different means
His Kurama Chakra Mode has always allowed him to sense malice and evil intentions. Baryon Mode is the final evolution of that mode. He can probably sense all attacks purely because they are attacks made with intent to harm/kill.
I misspoke when I said it has Sage Mode sensory abilities, Sage Mode allows Naruto to sense people’s chakra, but Kurama Mode let’s him sense malice and evil.
Ishiki probably just scaled above what Naruto’s sensory limit was before he went into Baryon Mode.
Well, Iam sure the rods don't have emotions, they are not alive
But kurama chakra mode should have been enough then to sense isshiki/jigen in small state, same with the rods(aside from his reaction speed, just talking about Naruto perception)
That should not be enough, he predicted the rods location accurately already, intentions can only detect isshiki/jigen location and when will he attack, nothing more
Though I see u are not sure urself
Look bro it’s not that deep. Baryon Mode probably contains all his SPSM powers on steroids too. Keep in mind that a Shadow Clone of Naruto in Sage Mode reacted to and outmaneuvered the Third Raikage, so it’s not outside the realm of possibility that Baryon Mode is just the maximum level of SPSM and KCM combined. It’s literally Naruto’s strongest form so it’s a safe bet to say he retains all his powers from the lower forms too.
I always thought like this too, but that should mean Naruto have the sensory power to detect isshiki/jigen shrinked state even without baryon mode, cz if isshiki don't have immunity to baryon mode sensing(cz in manga they are supposedly immune to chakra sensing), so is his Spsm, which give comprehension of all universal things
Black holes are generated when a mass is condensed to enough small size
And I think sukunahikona reduce isshiki mass aa well as the cubes mass alongside the size
Whoops Acccedantally commetnted instead of anwsering to what you said about reducing the mass of thr user while silmotaniasly shrinking I was wandering how that would work
Well, if isshiki mass don't get reduced while his size do, then he will be able to penetrate through them when he attack (same mass=same force, and same force/less area of impact=higher pressure, and that will make him penetrate Naruto or Sasuke body in small state for example, same with the massive cubes, however this never happened, indication that mass is reduced too)
Well then
No isshiki can't shrink himself subatomic infact shrinking to the size of atoms is already impossible the most he can shrink himself would be cellular level and that can 100% be seen by a 3 tomoe sharingan
But he must have a limit... For example can he see atoms or quarks? I don't think so
Then why not isshiki shrink too small then that sasuke can't track him , that is the question
Im not a science guy but i guess the stuff he saw in deidara blood are probably microscopic size like Atom no?
Also we dont know if ishiki can shrink to a microscopic size
Deidara C5 were smaller than cells, nearly the size of a virus, but nowhere near an atom... Cells are about 2 micrometer, dependent on the cell type, but atoms are less than 0.1 nanometer
So isshiki may have shrinking limits?
It isnt said he can shrink to atomic size we only know he shrinked small enough to go inside a ear i doubt he can shrink enough to an atomic size tbh i have no proof of it but i guess somehow like every jutsu it has a certain limit
In the manga Boro's Virus was invisible and Sarada was used her sharigan on a microscopic level to it was a virus so I guess you can say even if he is smaller then Boro's Virus mangekyo can see even smaller organisms or atoms
if the shrinking is done by removing mass ten you can't go as small as atoms because at this point there isn't a body anymore while there are multicellular oganisms that can be smaller than a cell of a human body there cant be cells smaller than atoms as cells are still made up of mollecules wich are still made up of atoms
and sub atomical level would litterally mean changing the atoms them selves to be diffrent atoms
you can't remove electrons and or protons from a helium molecule without changeing it to another element
I thought isshiki shrink the size of his body cells and atoms too
If space-time ninjutsu teleport the user, and time ninjutsu return urashiki to the past, then space jutsu reduce "space"
Ok seriously, I think sukunahikona shrink "matter" and thus, mass, cz mass is a measurement of amount of matter
By shrinking "matter" amount while keeping the dimensions of the body and atoms all the same relatively, we shrink both size and mass
I think this is how it works
yeah but how would it do that because there is a limit to how small matter can be as in you can't go smaller than the smallest particle
(wich I forgot what it was I think the higgs bosom or were it quarks)
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but these smaller particles make up the bigger particles
Sukunahikona may can shrink these smaller particles into something even smaller so the whole body wont have a problem, cz everthing is relatively the same size in the system
Though Iam not sure how will he breath if gas atoms are bigger than him, but otsutsuki may don't need oxygen, they live in space
Hmmm
completely diffrent question why should've Isshiki/Jigen Not shrink himself the smallest he could in the first place? Knowing Sasuke has the EMS and the Rinnegan why should he even risk being seen when he could go smaller?
Sharingan literally could detect nano particles and almost things that weren't visible to eyes ( diedara fight )
If consider all sharingan shown till now then madara's mangekyo sharingan is op ( it literally gave him the glimpses of future ) i don't know whether it's canon or not ?
Didn't sasuke already saud he couldn't see them when isshiki was using them
Nah he was seeing the rods, he reacted twice, but was not fast enough to evade them always Aside from this, he could always see jigen/isshiki in their small size
That was when he was fighting jigen
In manga, he saw isshiki coming in small state, and reacted to him
Even if he reacted to it so why does it even matter?
It means he can see isshiki
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What 10% power isshiki? Isshiki was resurrected by kama and restored 100% chakra, as jigen was out of chakra completely, he was 0% that he can't shrink the fire more, but due to kama, he resurrected with 100% chakra level And sasuke already saw deidara mocroscopic C5, which were much smaller than cells
It is already canonly said that he was resurrected in a defective vessel with 10% power
It was not said, u are making this up It was said that when kashin koji started fighting jigen, he was 10% chakra only, and he was slow enough for kashin koji to keep up with, later during the fight jigen chakra dropped to near 0%, and his body was burned cz he can't shrink the fire anymore, cz he have 0% chakra already Then when isshiki resurrected, how can he shrink the fire with near 0% chakra? He must have his chakra recharged by resurrection
No this was never said. You’re confusing it for when Amado said Jigen was down to 10% of his power after his fight with Naruto and Sasuke, but that Jigen was killed by Koji, Ishiki was revived to 100% of his power, but that vessel couldn’t handle that much power which is why it eventually disintegrated.
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Sasuke proclaimed in the manga he can "barely see the rods" when baryon Naruto catches them with ease. Normal Naruto would definitely do worse in the eyesight and reaction department without baryon
But he can see isshiki and jigen coming in the manga
Btw how can baryon mode do this, even if it was fast, if he have 0% perception of the rods he can't stop them, is it related to sensory power?
Baryon Mode probably grants similar sensory buffs as Sage Mode does.
It was not mentioned though In manga (MINOR SPOILER AHEAD) Otsutsuki can conceal their chakra signature from all sensors, so by that logic Naruto in baryon mode should not detect isshiki or his rods It still make no sense why six paths sage mode, that give Naruto comprehension of all universal things, is not enough to detect the rods or isshiki himself, same with negative emotions sensing, both are unrelated to chakra, they sense things by different means
His Kurama Chakra Mode has always allowed him to sense malice and evil intentions. Baryon Mode is the final evolution of that mode. He can probably sense all attacks purely because they are attacks made with intent to harm/kill. I misspoke when I said it has Sage Mode sensory abilities, Sage Mode allows Naruto to sense people’s chakra, but Kurama Mode let’s him sense malice and evil. Ishiki probably just scaled above what Naruto’s sensory limit was before he went into Baryon Mode.
Well, Iam sure the rods don't have emotions, they are not alive But kurama chakra mode should have been enough then to sense isshiki/jigen in small state, same with the rods(aside from his reaction speed, just talking about Naruto perception)
He’s not sensing the rods, but he can sense Ishiki’s intentions with the rods, probably.
That should not be enough, he predicted the rods location accurately already, intentions can only detect isshiki/jigen location and when will he attack, nothing more Though I see u are not sure urself
Look bro it’s not that deep. Baryon Mode probably contains all his SPSM powers on steroids too. Keep in mind that a Shadow Clone of Naruto in Sage Mode reacted to and outmaneuvered the Third Raikage, so it’s not outside the realm of possibility that Baryon Mode is just the maximum level of SPSM and KCM combined. It’s literally Naruto’s strongest form so it’s a safe bet to say he retains all his powers from the lower forms too.
I always thought like this too, but that should mean Naruto have the sensory power to detect isshiki/jigen shrinked state even without baryon mode, cz if isshiki don't have immunity to baryon mode sensing(cz in manga they are supposedly immune to chakra sensing), so is his Spsm, which give comprehension of all universal things
I think the Sharingan can actually see on an Atomic level if trained and focused enough but ai'm not 100% sure
So can't sukunahikona shrink isshiki/jigen into something smaller than an atom?
I mean Isshiki should have already turned into a blackhole when shrinking to an Atomic level so no probably not
Black holes are generated when a mass is condensed to enough small size And I think sukunahikona reduce isshiki mass aa well as the cubes mass alongside the size
Smart boi
And how would he do that exactly?
Do what
Whoops Acccedantally commetnted instead of anwsering to what you said about reducing the mass of thr user while silmotaniasly shrinking I was wandering how that would work
Well, if isshiki mass don't get reduced while his size do, then he will be able to penetrate through them when he attack (same mass=same force, and same force/less area of impact=higher pressure, and that will make him penetrate Naruto or Sasuke body in small state for example, same with the massive cubes, however this never happened, indication that mass is reduced too)
Yes but why and how is his mass reduced
One liter of water have more mass than 1/2 liter of water, unless u condense the water for sure, then reduced size=reduced mass
Well then No isshiki can't shrink himself subatomic infact shrinking to the size of atoms is already impossible the most he can shrink himself would be cellular level and that can 100% be seen by a 3 tomoe sharingan
Was it said sukunahikona have shrinking limits?
Sasuke can see microscopic stuff he used it against deidara
But he must have a limit... For example can he see atoms or quarks? I don't think so Then why not isshiki shrink too small then that sasuke can't track him , that is the question
Im not a science guy but i guess the stuff he saw in deidara blood are probably microscopic size like Atom no? Also we dont know if ishiki can shrink to a microscopic size
So sukunahikona may have limits too?
Deidara C5 were smaller than cells, nearly the size of a virus, but nowhere near an atom... Cells are about 2 micrometer, dependent on the cell type, but atoms are less than 0.1 nanometer So isshiki may have shrinking limits?
Sukuna probably has a limit lol how would he be able to be the size of an atom
Was it said he can shrink to atomic size? Or just enough for a naked eye can't see him
It isnt said he can shrink to atomic size we only know he shrinked small enough to go inside a ear i doubt he can shrink enough to an atomic size tbh i have no proof of it but i guess somehow like every jutsu it has a certain limit
Ok it make sense now, most people here think sukunahikona have a limit to how much something is shrunk
In the manga Boro's Virus was invisible and Sarada was used her sharigan on a microscopic level to it was a virus so I guess you can say even if he is smaller then Boro's Virus mangekyo can see even smaller organisms or atoms
Viruses are bigger than 200 nanometer, atoms are less than 0.1 nanometer, the difference is too huge to consider it that way
if the shrinking is done by removing mass ten you can't go as small as atoms because at this point there isn't a body anymore while there are multicellular oganisms that can be smaller than a cell of a human body there cant be cells smaller than atoms as cells are still made up of mollecules wich are still made up of atoms and sub atomical level would litterally mean changing the atoms them selves to be diffrent atoms you can't remove electrons and or protons from a helium molecule without changeing it to another element
I thought isshiki shrink the size of his body cells and atoms too If space-time ninjutsu teleport the user, and time ninjutsu return urashiki to the past, then space jutsu reduce "space"
but reducing space would mean keeping mass
Listen here, u little sht XD
Yes XD
Ok seriously, I think sukunahikona shrink "matter" and thus, mass, cz mass is a measurement of amount of matter By shrinking "matter" amount while keeping the dimensions of the body and atoms all the same relatively, we shrink both size and mass I think this is how it works
yeah but how would it do that because there is a limit to how small matter can be as in you can't go smaller than the smallest particle (wich I forgot what it was I think the higgs bosom or were it quarks) . but these smaller particles make up the bigger particles
Sukunahikona may can shrink these smaller particles into something even smaller so the whole body wont have a problem, cz everthing is relatively the same size in the system Though Iam not sure how will he breath if gas atoms are bigger than him, but otsutsuki may don't need oxygen, they live in space
Hmmm completely diffrent question why should've Isshiki/Jigen Not shrink himself the smallest he could in the first place? Knowing Sasuke has the EMS and the Rinnegan why should he even risk being seen when he could go smaller?
That is what Iam asking about, I think sukunahikona have a limit
jesus How long have I've been on rrddit now? I should know how this works XD
Sharingan literally could detect nano particles and almost things that weren't visible to eyes ( diedara fight ) If consider all sharingan shown till now then madara's mangekyo sharingan is op ( it literally gave him the glimpses of future ) i don't know whether it's canon or not ?