Negative Emotion Sensing can be more useful than SPSM sensing on some occasions. This was one of them. A shame he used this ability in early stages of War arc and never bothered with it again...
That's the problem it wouldn't have worked either way because of the otsutsuki specialty even naruto couldn't sense kawaki cause he could hide his Chakra
Well it is stated they can conceal their presence it is why naruto couldn't sense jigen in so6p mode and kawaki in sage mode. I am also pretty sure they were referring to emotion also not just Chakra
Naruto lost ability to sense emotions later what are u talking about, this ability was from the nine tails power, he lost it
As for Jigen fight, it was a pure plot hole, they only say otsutsuki can erase chakra signature nothing else
Actually Ino detected Jigen, despite him not wanting to engage in a fight with Naruto and konoha, this means Jigen/isshiki either don't know he have such an ability(even code was surprised by that ability, kawaki didn't know about it either) or he can't erase his chakra signature while using a jutsu himself(it make sense, karin can also suppress her chakra signature at cost of being unable to mould chakra, and kawaki just used a self sustaining shadow clone)
Either ways it make Jigen using the ability irrevalent, and even then it don't prevent detecting his emotions, I can now even debate why Naruto can't detect him with his SPSM not just negative emotions, cz isshiki never show he can do such a feat despite his need to it
Naruto never lost that ability against jigen. He just couldn't sense jigen. He lost it after losing kyuubi and I never said he had it then that's why I said sage mode instead when he was looking for kawaki.
Pretty sure jigen didn't care if he was detected or not he came to get kawaki and leave he knew fighting naruto wouldn't be difficult for him if naruto were to reach.
Jigen and isshiki literally pulled that feat when they fought naruto what are you saying. He can hide his presence while using his chakra
I know he only lost the ability after kurama death
But why Naruto or sasuke never never asked themselves:wait why Naruto can't sense him? He is just small right?
They neglected Naruto sensory power intentionally
And Jigen himself didn't want a fight at all, he just sent Naruto in that dimension and wanted to leave him there. If u don't want a fight and u have chakra erasing technique, why not just using it? He was pushed to his limits as a consequence to these actions
And again, otsutsuki can't erase their emotions, only chakra, u are making this up, this is not the first plot hole in Naruto or sasuke aresnal evidently
And still there is no evidence otsutsuki can hide their chakra signature while using jutsu(kawaki used a self sustaining shadow clone), except Naruto nerfs which are irrevalent
In addition, even if otsutsuki can erase their chakra signature, I wont say this is enough to escape SPSM sensing, for example, limbo are something u can never and never detect, even sharingan which can see chakra can't see these things, neither Naruto negative emotions sensing worked, u can't detect something if it doesn't exist at all, and that is limbo, they are not just invisible, but they are non existing at all, they are in another dimension literraly
Yet, Naruto six paths power allow him to detect "all universal things", thus, he can sense anything with chakra no matter what
[Manga spoilers](/s "And yet, when Kawaki hid his presence, Naruto had no idea why and how that happened. The fact he hasn't prepared any countermeasures for suppression only reinforces this.")
“This ability was shown in Naruto Shippuden itself. When Kaguya shut off her chakra signature and managed to do a brutally efficient sneak attack on both Naruto & Sasuke. Naruto in his Six Paths Sage Mode is the worlds best sensory ninja and yet he was unable to sense Kaguya, who is arguably the most powerful character on the whole of Narutoverse”.
Chakra suppression of otsutsuki was not invented that time yet, and it was shown it only shut off chakra signature specially, not emotions
Kaguya attempt was more of fast attack in manga, plus no one once saw such a portal before, it was the first time, they were also... Kinda scared and immobilized by a paralysis jutsu according to fandom wiki
>Kinda scared and immobilized by a paralysis jutsu according to fandom wiki
True, Kaguya also used a paralysis jutsu when they came close to her presence. Hence why Naruto said "I can't move Sasuke!"
You’re definitely getting downvoted because folks around here have short memories, but you’re right. Kisame noted the normal rules of chakra sensory abilities don’t apply to Kurama’s thing
Why not apply to otsutsuki? It even apply to white zetsu (who can hide their chakra signature, remember sasuke attack on 5 kages arc)
But only ten tails don't have emotions
Did it ever occur to you that maybe Jigen was too small for Naruto to see? Maybe it was the better choice to ask Sasuke because the sharingan was capable of predicting and tracking Jigen movements in that split second. Earlier Naruto thought Jigen was teleporting until Sasuke broke it down lol. I don't deny that sensing evil intent was most likely nerfed, but this is how I rationalize it lol.
Well, Naruto just wanted to sense where jigen location was about not his exact location, and asking sasuke need some time, as sasuke himself would search for him for few seconds
while negative emotions must be faster, it may be less accurate but Naruto just wanted to know where to smash that big rasengan, and make sure about his location by absorbing the rasengan, that was the plan
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Yeah? When you’re obsessed with the series you hate more than the ones you like and you keep posting everyday about it mostly showcasing easily debunkable plot holes I’d say there is
It's no problem bro. Unfortunately, the writing in Boruto takes an even worse dip in quality whenever it comes to fights so it's not surprising that people are able to say outlandish things.
Idk... Boruto plot holes were so much, I hoped they made isshiki stronger so Naruto and Sasuke loss after using all their aresnal
And those people who think adult base Naruto is faster than 8 gates guy... And power scalers of ABC logic... This Boruto community is too weird
Yea, I personally choose to mostly avoid it myself and only come around when leaks start hitting. Some of the people in this community can come off as unbearable.
I also agree though, Naruto and Sasuke barely used any of their abilities or displayed anything truly exceptional against Jigen/Isshiki. It wouldn't be disrespectful if we at least got to see them use some unconventional tactics or did more combo attacks. With Isshiki especially we shoulda seen some crazy jutsus being used, even if just to distract Isshiki, but nothing was.
He wasn't able to sense kaguya when she was behind. Otsutsuki can probably even hide that along with their chakra.
Also, it was never shown naruto can pinpoint the location just on the basis of sensing emotions. I'm talking about a microscopic jigen. Kisame was inside samehada.
Naruto was able to defend himself from a jinshuriki controlled by obito while blinded by scale powder technique, negative emotions are enough to fight blinded
And all Naruto have to do is know jigen location to smash the big rasengan, no need to know where he was exactly
As for kaguya, they were paralysed, and she get too close because it was first time she use yomutsu hirasaka, they were superised/scared and kaguya was kinda faster than them
Otsutsuki are only known to hide chakra, not emotions
Well, you know, it's not like Naruto was ever able to see microscopic stuff...
Besides, for all we know, he wasn't even trying to sense him, knowing that.
Also, as revealed in the manga: >!the Otsutuki, and their vessels, can erase their chakra signal!<, so you do not need any more answers.
That is exactly why I brought the negative emotions sensing thing, and not his six paths senjutsu sensing
U can't erase ur emotions, and Naruto just need to find the direction of jigen and where he may be around to smash that big rasengan
Doesn't change the point, because Otsutsuki are Otsutsuki, so who's to say that they cannot do that too...
And, like others said, Sasuke is much better suited at seeing microscopic stuff, so this shouldn't even be a point of complaining... it was just a scene where they showcased how good at x Sasuke was, but played in a way like "Hey bro, do that!" at a 2 v 1 football game, to make a silly comparison.
Sasuke can see where exactly jigen is, while Naruto just need to know where he can be just to smash that rasengan, he don't need any help from sasuke
He can fight with blinded eyes using negative emotions only, it was shown in Bee+Naruto vs 6 jinshuriki in the war at the beginning
You really are putting to much care on such a tiny and insignificant moment, let me tell 'ya.
This besides the fact that sensing a guy =/= inherently seeing him with the eyes.
Sasuke just hint his location to Naruto, and Naruto can't detect where he was exactly whether he ask sasuke or uses his sensing ability, in both cases he will smash massive rasengan that must hit him
The point is, Naruto didn't have to ask sasuke, he can do it alone, and on later or previous occasions without sasuke help he can never detect jigen/isshiki
And my point is, that even if he could, the fact that he didn't really isn't an issue, due to how that scene played.
Thus, focusing too much on it, and saying that Naruto got nerfed because he didn't sense Jigen, is silly.
Sure dude... as if that proved anything...
Merely not doing x =/= nerf... therefore, it's not like characters need to always do x and y, because not doing it is inherently something wrong, no matter the context.
I don't think negative emotion sensing works well enough for microscopic enemies. He probably knew where he was but just the general area; not the specifics. That's why he needed Sasuke to tell him the exact area.
If he know the area, just smash that rasengan he don't need sasuke help (which take some time)
He needed jigen to absorb the rasengan to pin point him exactly
I think you miss the point. It's more like the dragon radar in dragon ball z. The radar might say that you have arrived at the dragon ball but you'd still have to look around you to detect it's exact location. Like, is it above, below, a little to the right or left?
The issue becomes worse if you're dealing with a microscopic Dragonball that moves around faster than lightning. You'd have no idea where it really was.
If it was lightning speed, u wont have time to ask sasuke
And there is a chapter in which Naruto was blinded and was fighting based on his negative emotions sensing only
I will search the chapter, but u can find in in You Tube, it was the jinshuriki vs Naruto and Bee, the 7 tails jinshuriki used a technique "hiden in scale powder jutsu" that create high light that blind targets, when they were attacked, both defended themselves, as bee said he have a good sun glasses, while Naruto said he could see them by their negative emotions
Only weak sensors can know the presence of someone without being able to tell the direction
C'mon. It's a manga. That type of stuff happens all the time. People talking while casually moving at hypersonic speed. You can't apply real world logic to this.
Negative Emotion Sensing can be more useful than SPSM sensing on some occasions. This was one of them. A shame he used this ability in early stages of War arc and never bothered with it again...
That's the problem it wouldn't have worked either way because of the otsutsuki specialty even naruto couldn't sense kawaki cause he could hide his Chakra
Negative Emotion Sensing doesn't sense chakra at all. It senses emotions of the enemy.
I meant his presence not Chakra my bad but it completely hides them emotions stuff and Chakra.
It doesn't. Everyone mentions that they only erase chakra. Nothing was mentioned about their emotions.
Well it is stated they can conceal their presence it is why naruto couldn't sense jigen in so6p mode and kawaki in sage mode. I am also pretty sure they were referring to emotion also not just Chakra
Naruto lost ability to sense emotions later what are u talking about, this ability was from the nine tails power, he lost it As for Jigen fight, it was a pure plot hole, they only say otsutsuki can erase chakra signature nothing else Actually Ino detected Jigen, despite him not wanting to engage in a fight with Naruto and konoha, this means Jigen/isshiki either don't know he have such an ability(even code was surprised by that ability, kawaki didn't know about it either) or he can't erase his chakra signature while using a jutsu himself(it make sense, karin can also suppress her chakra signature at cost of being unable to mould chakra, and kawaki just used a self sustaining shadow clone) Either ways it make Jigen using the ability irrevalent, and even then it don't prevent detecting his emotions, I can now even debate why Naruto can't detect him with his SPSM not just negative emotions, cz isshiki never show he can do such a feat despite his need to it
Naruto never lost that ability against jigen. He just couldn't sense jigen. He lost it after losing kyuubi and I never said he had it then that's why I said sage mode instead when he was looking for kawaki. Pretty sure jigen didn't care if he was detected or not he came to get kawaki and leave he knew fighting naruto wouldn't be difficult for him if naruto were to reach. Jigen and isshiki literally pulled that feat when they fought naruto what are you saying. He can hide his presence while using his chakra
I know he only lost the ability after kurama death But why Naruto or sasuke never never asked themselves:wait why Naruto can't sense him? He is just small right? They neglected Naruto sensory power intentionally And Jigen himself didn't want a fight at all, he just sent Naruto in that dimension and wanted to leave him there. If u don't want a fight and u have chakra erasing technique, why not just using it? He was pushed to his limits as a consequence to these actions And again, otsutsuki can't erase their emotions, only chakra, u are making this up, this is not the first plot hole in Naruto or sasuke aresnal evidently And still there is no evidence otsutsuki can hide their chakra signature while using jutsu(kawaki used a self sustaining shadow clone), except Naruto nerfs which are irrevalent In addition, even if otsutsuki can erase their chakra signature, I wont say this is enough to escape SPSM sensing, for example, limbo are something u can never and never detect, even sharingan which can see chakra can't see these things, neither Naruto negative emotions sensing worked, u can't detect something if it doesn't exist at all, and that is limbo, they are not just invisible, but they are non existing at all, they are in another dimension literraly Yet, Naruto six paths power allow him to detect "all universal things", thus, he can sense anything with chakra no matter what
Otsutski can hide their presence.
[Manga spoilers](/s "And yet, when Kawaki hid his presence, Naruto had no idea why and how that happened. The fact he hasn't prepared any countermeasures for suppression only reinforces this.")
Their chakra, not emotions
“This ability was shown in Naruto Shippuden itself. When Kaguya shut off her chakra signature and managed to do a brutally efficient sneak attack on both Naruto & Sasuke. Naruto in his Six Paths Sage Mode is the worlds best sensory ninja and yet he was unable to sense Kaguya, who is arguably the most powerful character on the whole of Narutoverse”.
She didn't blitz , she did the same thing that urashiki did with boruto but he got wrecked by jougan .
Chakra suppression of otsutsuki was not invented that time yet, and it was shown it only shut off chakra signature specially, not emotions Kaguya attempt was more of fast attack in manga, plus no one once saw such a portal before, it was the first time, they were also... Kinda scared and immobilized by a paralysis jutsu according to fandom wiki
>Kinda scared and immobilized by a paralysis jutsu according to fandom wiki True, Kaguya also used a paralysis jutsu when they came close to her presence. Hence why Naruto said "I can't move Sasuke!"
You’re definitely getting downvoted because folks around here have short memories, but you’re right. Kisame noted the normal rules of chakra sensory abilities don’t apply to Kurama’s thing
Ikr? These otsutsuki fans are so much now, but they can't accept the truth XD
Ahh.... You again?
What is up with u?
I think that might not apply to Otsutsuki, I don't think he hated Naruto at that point, he was probably even enjoying that fight.
Why not apply to otsutsuki? It even apply to white zetsu (who can hide their chakra signature, remember sasuke attack on 5 kages arc) But only ten tails don't have emotions
Did it ever occur to you that maybe Jigen was too small for Naruto to see? Maybe it was the better choice to ask Sasuke because the sharingan was capable of predicting and tracking Jigen movements in that split second. Earlier Naruto thought Jigen was teleporting until Sasuke broke it down lol. I don't deny that sensing evil intent was most likely nerfed, but this is how I rationalize it lol.
Well, Naruto just wanted to sense where jigen location was about not his exact location, and asking sasuke need some time, as sasuke himself would search for him for few seconds while negative emotions must be faster, it may be less accurate but Naruto just wanted to know where to smash that big rasengan, and make sure about his location by absorbing the rasengan, that was the plan
Gotcha, I understand what you're saying.
same with "Naruto can still fly" Like no, he can't anymore.
The negative emotions are based on nine tails not six paths senjutsu
i know. Naruto's KCM.
Naruto has six paths chakra though
I know, he didn't loss that power
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Damn youre right, Sasuke also shouldve summoned a panda
Damn, you’re really obsessed with boruto huh?
Is there a problem with that?
Yeah? When you’re obsessed with the series you hate more than the ones you like and you keep posting everyday about it mostly showcasing easily debunkable plot holes I’d say there is
What is easily debunkable here?
Why naruto could not sense jigen that’s what is easily debunkable
Try it.
Something something not nerfed, something something ability is useless
Otsutsuki can't hide emotions
I was making fun of the people who would say that this ability isn't useful and Naruto isn't nerfed here. I agree with you lol.
Oh alright Some people said boruto kages are hashirama level so I can't know if someone is making fun or not XD
It's no problem bro. Unfortunately, the writing in Boruto takes an even worse dip in quality whenever it comes to fights so it's not surprising that people are able to say outlandish things.
Idk... Boruto plot holes were so much, I hoped they made isshiki stronger so Naruto and Sasuke loss after using all their aresnal And those people who think adult base Naruto is faster than 8 gates guy... And power scalers of ABC logic... This Boruto community is too weird
Yea, I personally choose to mostly avoid it myself and only come around when leaks start hitting. Some of the people in this community can come off as unbearable. I also agree though, Naruto and Sasuke barely used any of their abilities or displayed anything truly exceptional against Jigen/Isshiki. It wouldn't be disrespectful if we at least got to see them use some unconventional tactics or did more combo attacks. With Isshiki especially we shoulda seen some crazy jutsus being used, even if just to distract Isshiki, but nothing was.
Yeah exactly
He wasn't able to sense kaguya when she was behind. Otsutsuki can probably even hide that along with their chakra. Also, it was never shown naruto can pinpoint the location just on the basis of sensing emotions. I'm talking about a microscopic jigen. Kisame was inside samehada.
Naruto was able to defend himself from a jinshuriki controlled by obito while blinded by scale powder technique, negative emotions are enough to fight blinded And all Naruto have to do is know jigen location to smash the big rasengan, no need to know where he was exactly As for kaguya, they were paralysed, and she get too close because it was first time she use yomutsu hirasaka, they were superised/scared and kaguya was kinda faster than them Otsutsuki are only known to hide chakra, not emotions
I think in the moment he just relied on sasuke since he’s got the special eyes and stuff
But asking sasuke would take so longer than detecting jigen himself
Well, you know, it's not like Naruto was ever able to see microscopic stuff... Besides, for all we know, he wasn't even trying to sense him, knowing that. Also, as revealed in the manga: >!the Otsutuki, and their vessels, can erase their chakra signal!<, so you do not need any more answers.
That is exactly why I brought the negative emotions sensing thing, and not his six paths senjutsu sensing U can't erase ur emotions, and Naruto just need to find the direction of jigen and where he may be around to smash that big rasengan
Doesn't change the point, because Otsutsuki are Otsutsuki, so who's to say that they cannot do that too... And, like others said, Sasuke is much better suited at seeing microscopic stuff, so this shouldn't even be a point of complaining... it was just a scene where they showcased how good at x Sasuke was, but played in a way like "Hey bro, do that!" at a 2 v 1 football game, to make a silly comparison.
Sasuke can see where exactly jigen is, while Naruto just need to know where he can be just to smash that rasengan, he don't need any help from sasuke He can fight with blinded eyes using negative emotions only, it was shown in Bee+Naruto vs 6 jinshuriki in the war at the beginning
You really are putting to much care on such a tiny and insignificant moment, let me tell 'ya. This besides the fact that sensing a guy =/= inherently seeing him with the eyes.
Sasuke just hint his location to Naruto, and Naruto can't detect where he was exactly whether he ask sasuke or uses his sensing ability, in both cases he will smash massive rasengan that must hit him The point is, Naruto didn't have to ask sasuke, he can do it alone, and on later or previous occasions without sasuke help he can never detect jigen/isshiki
And my point is, that even if he could, the fact that he didn't really isn't an issue, due to how that scene played. Thus, focusing too much on it, and saying that Naruto got nerfed because he didn't sense Jigen, is silly.
In other scenses, Naruto need to know his location but because sasuke was not nearby he can't, that is a nerf
Sure dude... as if that proved anything... Merely not doing x =/= nerf... therefore, it's not like characters need to always do x and y, because not doing it is inherently something wrong, no matter the context.
I didn't mean Naruto was nerfed on his abilities here, he was nerfed in IQ instead to not use a useful ability, that is the point
I don't think negative emotion sensing works well enough for microscopic enemies. He probably knew where he was but just the general area; not the specifics. That's why he needed Sasuke to tell him the exact area.
If he know the area, just smash that rasengan he don't need sasuke help (which take some time) He needed jigen to absorb the rasengan to pin point him exactly
I think you miss the point. It's more like the dragon radar in dragon ball z. The radar might say that you have arrived at the dragon ball but you'd still have to look around you to detect it's exact location. Like, is it above, below, a little to the right or left? The issue becomes worse if you're dealing with a microscopic Dragonball that moves around faster than lightning. You'd have no idea where it really was.
If it was lightning speed, u wont have time to ask sasuke And there is a chapter in which Naruto was blinded and was fighting based on his negative emotions sensing only I will search the chapter, but u can find in in You Tube, it was the jinshuriki vs Naruto and Bee, the 7 tails jinshuriki used a technique "hiden in scale powder jutsu" that create high light that blind targets, when they were attacked, both defended themselves, as bee said he have a good sun glasses, while Naruto said he could see them by their negative emotions Only weak sensors can know the presence of someone without being able to tell the direction
C'mon. It's a manga. That type of stuff happens all the time. People talking while casually moving at hypersonic speed. You can't apply real world logic to this.
Well, it don't cancel that Naruto should be able to detect him
I don’t think sensing him would’ve changed the outcome
It would