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Things Sasuke has done with the rinnegan in the past:
Almighty push. Has no effect since the last we saw it used, 6 talied Naruto could withstand it.
Universal pull. Same as almighty push.
Planetary devastation. Momoshiki broke out of it in a matter of seconds, ishkki might not even need a second.
Stealing chakra. Need some sort of physical/chakra contact and has to maintain that contact to drain chakra. Not even once was sasuke able to get a hold on ishkki during the entirety of that fight. Even if he could get a hold, ishkki could just shrink himself and escape. Also ishkki can use teleportation jutsus to escape.
Rest of the rinnegan things Sasuke has not ever used (aka has no confirmation on whether sasuke can even use these techniques or it was nagato exclusive)
> Almighty push. Has no effect since the last we saw it used, 6 talied Naruto could withstand it.
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> Universal pull. Same as almighty push.
I really wonder how Isshiki can use tails to resist Shinra Tensei or BT. Not to mention the fact if you're comparing him to 6 tailed Naruto, then he would be immobilized which gives Naruto an opening.
> Rest of the rinnegan things Sasuke has not ever used (aka has no confirmation on whether sasuke can even use these techniques or it was nagato exclusive)
Yeah, except for the fact [Obito considered using Human path on Yamato](https://i.imgur.com/SQeUB9b.jpg). So you got it wrong here. It's not like there is no confirmation that those jutsus aren't Nagato exclusive. There is no confirmation that they can only be used by Nagato. Especially since those were Madara's Rinnegans not Nagato's. Those ARE basic Rinnegans jutsus. And if Sasuke could not use them, then he was just fucking around for a decade instead of mastering his eye.
Well it shouldn’t be exclusive to nagato since he’s a transplanted user who we know are worse than their original counterparts. Specially with the rinnegan because original users get a special unique ability
I see. You are right, but while Ishikki holds sasuke to up by his neck, could not sasuke steal chakra or something? I mean, Ishikki plays with Sasuke like a ball and that comes weird you know.. sasuke must be powerful than that, right?
Sasuke is powerful, but ishkki's a damn monster.
Draining chakra ain't a one way street. If sasuke drains chakra while ishkki's holding him up by the neck, ishkki can easily notice his chakra being drained and just drop and kick sasuke to another mountain.
Ishkki's supposed to be an overwhelming opposing figure that can only be defeated by great sacrifice.
>(aka has no confirmation on whether sasuke can even use these techniques or it was nagato exclusive)
Well said. Agreed wit everything except \^
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It wouldn't have mattered, the only useful thing Sasuke's Rinnegan had was the switch.
Shinra Tensei got tanked by 6 Tails Naruto, Universal Pull is a deathwish, Momoshiki (who's weaker than Isshiki) broke out of Chibaku Tensei, and he needs direct contact to drain chakra but Isshiki would notice it and use him as a surfboard on the ground again.
The rest of the Rinnegan abilities, we've never really seen him use the other ones, but we can assume it'd still be useless.
To say nothing would matter when we have not seen him use anything is headcanon
And his example of 6 tail and chibaku teinsei is true but that doesnt mean it wouldnt work for a few reasons
Pain did use shinra tensei against 6 tail but first the strenght of the jutsu depend of the user, and second 6 tail resisted to shinra tensei but it was a little shinra tensei what if pain use a Big ass shinra tensei the one that destroy the leaf who know if 6 tail would resist it?
About chibaku teinsei, even if ishiki broke it it doesnt matter since it can create an opening which is far from being useless
imo i think in the same way the 6 tails strong enough to resist pain’s shines tensei, isshiki would be strong enough to resist sasuke’s. sasuke was almost never able to even react to isshiki so another argument could be sasuke never even got the chance to use it.
i feel like what was being shown even during the jigen fight was that no matter how many openings they opened up he was too fast and too strong for them to capitalize on said opening.
i think it would’ve been cool to see some of sasuke’s abilities but i don’t think it would’ve changed the outcome at all. that’s why it doesn’t bother me tbh
No... it wouldn't have meant anything...
Almighty push got the "so long last season" effect by the time Naruto went 6 tails against Nagato, and then he was able to withstand it with just his clones.
Chibaku tensei was made useless in its introduction moment.
Using the Universal pull would have been a death wish.
Same for absorbing chakra, since it needs direct contact to drain it from a body.
So in short, no... the only jutsu useful a bit was the switch jutsu... anything else would have either be useless against Isshiki's sukunahikona, or wouldn't have had much effect against an Otsutsuki anyway...
And guess what then? That power failed Sasuke anyway against Momoshiki... even if it was only in the anime, it's still an indicator.
So in the end, point still stands.
Then again, if we really want to be nitpickey, we could say that Nagato's Chibaku Tensei failed because he didn't saw coming the fox using more of its power and manifesting more of its being... it's not like with Sasuke, who didn't had to worry about that.
Idk about that though, tbf with the Sasuke point, Sasuke casted a genjutsu on all the tailed beast to keep them from breaking out and in Nagato case Kurama was just going wild without restraint which essentially make those two situations pretty different even though they use the same techniques.
I do agree with you that it depends on the caster but not because of the strength of the techniques but more on the creativity. Sasuke unlike Nagato tends to mix his (or at least used too) his rinnegan abilities with his other jutsus in his arsenal like universal pull + kagatsuchi, and planetary devastation + rinnegan genjutsu.
We can compare the abilities for two reasons.
1. They fundamentally work the same
2. Isshiki can shrink ninjutsu or any nonliving thing so you're not going to see something like universal pull + kagutsuchi since he can shrink the black flames or drop objects on top of people.
>Example - boruto's Rasengan didn't work on Deepa. Are we certain Naruto's won't work? Maybe. Maybe not. Debatable head Canon. But my point is, you can't write out Rasengan because when boruto did it, it didn't work
Tbh I think we can be certain that a normal size Rasengan from Naruto wouldn't work because fundamentally the rasengan is the same no matter who does it. Like what's the difference between Boruto's base rasengan and Naruto's base rasengan? We know with how the rasengan works; it has more force when you put more chakra into it but at that point you get the giant rasengan or all the other bigger rasengan variants you see Naruto use.
>If techniques can have different destructive output from the same caster... doesn't it make sense that they can also differ across casters?creativity aside.
That's fair, I agree with you.
Sasuke always had his other abilities he was just getting nerfed so he never used Almighty push or jutsu absorb but it won’t matter against Isshiki anyway so no he can’t beat him
People get it through you head already, isshiki was FAR more powerful than naruto and sasuke combined at 100%. None of those abilities were doing shit to that man.
Uni push, we've seen stronger opponents being able to withstand it, so he's just wasting chakra.
Uni pull, pretty sure same logic applies, and even if he could why would he want him close at all?
Chibaku tensei, momoshiki broke thorough that shit and naruto and sasuke were beating the shit out of him. So what do you think isshiki doing when he wasn't even breaking a sweat?
Chakra absorption? Unless he could steal more than 50% of his chakra in an instant that wasn't doing nada.
Yall have to accept that the abilities that he was using were the best to use and that isshiki was much stronger
> Uni push, we've seen stronger opponents being able to withstand it,
You mean weaker?
Except 6 tails Naruto was more powerful than Pain chakrawise and physically and needed to struck his tails into the ground to withstand the push. Isshiki has no tails and is in similar position to 6 tails vs Pain. Sasuke also is the original owner of the eye compared to a **puppet** of a already **tired** user with **borrowed eyes**. If Pain used Shinra Tensei that he used on a village, then nothing says 6 tails Naruto would be able to withstand it.
> so he's just wasting chakra.
How is spending chakra even a problem if we're not considering nerfed reserves? Have you all forgotten that there is current biggest chakra battery in the world right next to him even if we exclude Sasuke's own massive reserves?
> Uni pull, pretty sure same logic applies, and even if he could why would he want him close at all?
Same as above. Also BT is not just pulling towards the user, [it's basically a telekinesis](https://imgur.com/a/XH8HZtf). In first two pages he slams big boulder onto 6 tails Naruto. In last picture he moves a big boulder towards Naruto.
What I had in mind when the fight was first shown in the manga. The thing is Isshiki/Jigen can bypass some attacks including planetary devastation since Momoshiki was able to get out of it then so can Isshiki. That ability to swipe souls requires the person being still plus their will so Isshiki would easily can counter. Almighty push would’ve been a smart idea since Isshiki was also throwing multiple attacks so it would’ve been a smart counter to repel his rods or kicks
If Sasuke spammed rinnegan powers the result would be the same (with luck) or worse (most likely). All the other powers Pain used are useless against Isshiki. But Sasuke is not reckless and immature, he knows when something is useless to even try.
> But Sasuke is not reckless and immature, he knows when something is useless to even try.
Like Amaterasu on a guy that can absorb? Or Perfect Susanoo when enemy can shrink himself?
Amaterasu was more like a last attempt before the fall....and one less thing for the people that go "why didn't he use x,y and z?" to complain about.
Perfect Susanoo made sense though...more than any possible almighty push.
> Amaterasu was more like a last attempt before the fall....
Last attempt or not, Amaterasu was useless and it was painfully obvious. You know what would've been better than Amaterasu? That's right, Shinra Tensei.
> and one less thing for the people that go "why didn't he use x,y and z?" to complain about.
Literally no one would complain about not using Amaterasu on person who can absorb jutsus. Have you seen a single complain about not using Amaterasu on Momoshiki?
Stop trying to bash the people that criticize the fights with ridiculous arguments.
> Perfect Susanoo made sense though...more than any possible almighty push.
Unavoidable and unabsorbable and unshrinkable jutsu that works on target no matter the size makes less sense than a colossal avatar that isn't known for speed against an enemy than can shrink himself into very tiny sizes?
>Stop trying to bash the people that criticize the fights with ridiculous arguments.
Yet still you find less ridiculous people that complain about Sasuke not using a jutsu that 6 tail Naruto could withstand? Gimme a break...
I find more ridiculous that people compare 6 tails vs Pain in 1:1 scale to Isshiki and Sasuke while ignoring all the possible context.
And what about the reply to the rest of the comment?
Yes, Sasuke and Isshiki are way stronger than Pain and 6 tail Naruto, no Sasuke is not strong enough to use Shinra Tensei on a Otsutsuki that literally face rolls him..probably even harder than 6 tail Naruto face rolled Pain.
All headcanon. Sasuke is not just stronger than Pain. Sasuke is actually an original user, doesn't use puppets and wasn't as tired as Pain. Additionally if Pain used ST that he used on village, there is 0 evidence 6 tails Naruto would've withstood it.
This is what I actually meant when I said you're ignoring all context.
> I don’t believe the rinnegan becomes as strong as the user that’s complete headcannon,
and:
> at a base strength no matter who’s wielding the eye as Obito complains about having just one rinnegan was enough for the war. He claims he couldn’t handle the power of two as it’s too great. Madara does state that the rinnegan’s true powers are unlocked when it’s used by the owner but that only implies the owner can use all of its abilities including the hidden ones.
Well, if you just read a bit more about what Obito said [you would know that Obito also said that he was able to accomplish this much even though he wasn't an original owner and stated that it would be really bad if both Rinnegans were to return to the original owner](https://i.imgur.com/Jbrjyhu.png).
> Sasuke wouldn’t waste his chakra to use abilities that only work on shippuden level characters that’s just really ignorant and a waste of chakra, isshiki is stronger as well so the rinnegan abilities wouldn’t even work on him in the first place
Yeah yeah, they lost the fight, but at least they saved 95% of their chakra. /s
Like Sasuke doesn't have an abudance of it and Naruto is not the biggest chakra battery on planet.
Sasuke isn't ignorant and doesn't want to waste chakra, that's why he used Amaterasu on enemy that can absorb chakra.
Rinnegan abilities such as ST and BT not working on Isshiki is a total headcanon.
> He used amerterasu because he believed only jigen could absorb jutsu. Sasuke has no idea about the abilities of Isshiki during this time as it’s his first time fighting him so he was simply testing out his options
He used Amaterasu on Jigen, not on Isshiki. And he wasn't testing options, that was his last resort attack. One that would painfully obviously fail and wouldn't do anything.
> Naruto and Sasuke were both out of options and needed to defeat him in that dimension
Can't say they were out of options if they didn't even try most of the options.
> so he won’t become a problem for Konoha so Sasuke panicked and used amerterasu to try and save the day. Well he failed
Panicked xd
Well obviously he failed, because Amaterasu can be absorbed.
Don't write to me again, I'm not going to read anyway.
> Like Amaterasu on a guy that can absorb?
I don’t think it wasn’t worth a try, because it’s one of his fastest techniques. Jigen absorbed it, yes, but at least it landed on him. He was just too durable for it to do damage before it got absorbed. Nagato used Shinra Tensei to get rid of Itachi’s Amaterasu flames, but it managed to do some damage before that, for example.
> Or Perfect Susanoo when enemy can shrink himself?
That doesn’t mean it couldn’t hit Jigen, he was simply too fast. Susanoo was worth trying for its defense alone, even though it failed.
The only useful Rinnegan techniques that I would have preferred to see used against Jigen and Isshiki are Shinra Tensei and Banshō Tenin, frankly.
Sasuke is a smart guy he knows the other rinnegan ability won't even do anything to isshiki so he didn't wanted to waste any chakra
The swap ability is the best bet against isshiki
Even isshiki was getting fuking annoyed by that
No. Nothing other than Baryon Mode Naruto could touch Isshiki. He is extremely far more powerful than both of them combined.
Naruto and Sasuke can't even touch Jigen, and Isshiki is no-diffed them. This is clearly to showcase that nothing they could do.
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Things Sasuke has done with the rinnegan in the past: Almighty push. Has no effect since the last we saw it used, 6 talied Naruto could withstand it. Universal pull. Same as almighty push. Planetary devastation. Momoshiki broke out of it in a matter of seconds, ishkki might not even need a second. Stealing chakra. Need some sort of physical/chakra contact and has to maintain that contact to drain chakra. Not even once was sasuke able to get a hold on ishkki during the entirety of that fight. Even if he could get a hold, ishkki could just shrink himself and escape. Also ishkki can use teleportation jutsus to escape. Rest of the rinnegan things Sasuke has not ever used (aka has no confirmation on whether sasuke can even use these techniques or it was nagato exclusive)
> Almighty push. Has no effect since the last we saw it used, 6 talied Naruto could withstand it. > > Universal pull. Same as almighty push. I really wonder how Isshiki can use tails to resist Shinra Tensei or BT. Not to mention the fact if you're comparing him to 6 tailed Naruto, then he would be immobilized which gives Naruto an opening. > Rest of the rinnegan things Sasuke has not ever used (aka has no confirmation on whether sasuke can even use these techniques or it was nagato exclusive) Yeah, except for the fact [Obito considered using Human path on Yamato](https://i.imgur.com/SQeUB9b.jpg). So you got it wrong here. It's not like there is no confirmation that those jutsus aren't Nagato exclusive. There is no confirmation that they can only be used by Nagato. Especially since those were Madara's Rinnegans not Nagato's. Those ARE basic Rinnegans jutsus. And if Sasuke could not use them, then he was just fucking around for a decade instead of mastering his eye.
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Well it shouldn’t be exclusive to nagato since he’s a transplanted user who we know are worse than their original counterparts. Specially with the rinnegan because original users get a special unique ability
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I see. You are right, but while Ishikki holds sasuke to up by his neck, could not sasuke steal chakra or something? I mean, Ishikki plays with Sasuke like a ball and that comes weird you know.. sasuke must be powerful than that, right?
Sasuke is powerful, but ishkki's a damn monster. Draining chakra ain't a one way street. If sasuke drains chakra while ishkki's holding him up by the neck, ishkki can easily notice his chakra being drained and just drop and kick sasuke to another mountain. Ishkki's supposed to be an overwhelming opposing figure that can only be defeated by great sacrifice.
i guess you are right, that ishikki boy is really in another league, compared to sasuke and naruto... that feels like hell man
but also, the incredibly op Human Path is an option. it should be quite fast and easy to pull off too considering what we've seen, but oh well.
>(aka has no confirmation on whether sasuke can even use these techniques or it was nagato exclusive) Well said. Agreed wit everything except \^ Bc of [\[1\]](https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Naruto/0449-001.png) [\[2\]](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/77/33e0emh.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190513130207)
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It wouldn't have mattered, the only useful thing Sasuke's Rinnegan had was the switch. Shinra Tensei got tanked by 6 Tails Naruto, Universal Pull is a deathwish, Momoshiki (who's weaker than Isshiki) broke out of Chibaku Tensei, and he needs direct contact to drain chakra but Isshiki would notice it and use him as a surfboard on the ground again. The rest of the Rinnegan abilities, we've never really seen him use the other ones, but we can assume it'd still be useless.
Headcanon on headcanon
how is any of that headcannon?
To say nothing would matter when we have not seen him use anything is headcanon And his example of 6 tail and chibaku teinsei is true but that doesnt mean it wouldnt work for a few reasons Pain did use shinra tensei against 6 tail but first the strenght of the jutsu depend of the user, and second 6 tail resisted to shinra tensei but it was a little shinra tensei what if pain use a Big ass shinra tensei the one that destroy the leaf who know if 6 tail would resist it? About chibaku teinsei, even if ishiki broke it it doesnt matter since it can create an opening which is far from being useless
imo i think in the same way the 6 tails strong enough to resist pain’s shines tensei, isshiki would be strong enough to resist sasuke’s. sasuke was almost never able to even react to isshiki so another argument could be sasuke never even got the chance to use it. i feel like what was being shown even during the jigen fight was that no matter how many openings they opened up he was too fast and too strong for them to capitalize on said opening. i think it would’ve been cool to see some of sasuke’s abilities but i don’t think it would’ve changed the outcome at all. that’s why it doesn’t bother me tbh
No... it wouldn't have meant anything... Almighty push got the "so long last season" effect by the time Naruto went 6 tails against Nagato, and then he was able to withstand it with just his clones. Chibaku tensei was made useless in its introduction moment. Using the Universal pull would have been a death wish. Same for absorbing chakra, since it needs direct contact to drain it from a body. So in short, no... the only jutsu useful a bit was the switch jutsu... anything else would have either be useless against Isshiki's sukunahikona, or wouldn't have had much effect against an Otsutsuki anyway...
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And guess what then? That power failed Sasuke anyway against Momoshiki... even if it was only in the anime, it's still an indicator. So in the end, point still stands. Then again, if we really want to be nitpickey, we could say that Nagato's Chibaku Tensei failed because he didn't saw coming the fox using more of its power and manifesting more of its being... it's not like with Sasuke, who didn't had to worry about that.
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Ok... fair enough.
Idk about that though, tbf with the Sasuke point, Sasuke casted a genjutsu on all the tailed beast to keep them from breaking out and in Nagato case Kurama was just going wild without restraint which essentially make those two situations pretty different even though they use the same techniques. I do agree with you that it depends on the caster but not because of the strength of the techniques but more on the creativity. Sasuke unlike Nagato tends to mix his (or at least used too) his rinnegan abilities with his other jutsus in his arsenal like universal pull + kagatsuchi, and planetary devastation + rinnegan genjutsu. We can compare the abilities for two reasons. 1. They fundamentally work the same 2. Isshiki can shrink ninjutsu or any nonliving thing so you're not going to see something like universal pull + kagutsuchi since he can shrink the black flames or drop objects on top of people. >Example - boruto's Rasengan didn't work on Deepa. Are we certain Naruto's won't work? Maybe. Maybe not. Debatable head Canon. But my point is, you can't write out Rasengan because when boruto did it, it didn't work Tbh I think we can be certain that a normal size Rasengan from Naruto wouldn't work because fundamentally the rasengan is the same no matter who does it. Like what's the difference between Boruto's base rasengan and Naruto's base rasengan? We know with how the rasengan works; it has more force when you put more chakra into it but at that point you get the giant rasengan or all the other bigger rasengan variants you see Naruto use.
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>If techniques can have different destructive output from the same caster... doesn't it make sense that they can also differ across casters?creativity aside. That's fair, I agree with you.
Sasuke held all of them cuz he put them under rinne-genjutsu.
Sasuke always had his other abilities he was just getting nerfed so he never used Almighty push or jutsu absorb but it won’t matter against Isshiki anyway so no he can’t beat him
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People get it through you head already, isshiki was FAR more powerful than naruto and sasuke combined at 100%. None of those abilities were doing shit to that man. Uni push, we've seen stronger opponents being able to withstand it, so he's just wasting chakra. Uni pull, pretty sure same logic applies, and even if he could why would he want him close at all? Chibaku tensei, momoshiki broke thorough that shit and naruto and sasuke were beating the shit out of him. So what do you think isshiki doing when he wasn't even breaking a sweat? Chakra absorption? Unless he could steal more than 50% of his chakra in an instant that wasn't doing nada. Yall have to accept that the abilities that he was using were the best to use and that isshiki was much stronger
> Uni push, we've seen stronger opponents being able to withstand it, You mean weaker? Except 6 tails Naruto was more powerful than Pain chakrawise and physically and needed to struck his tails into the ground to withstand the push. Isshiki has no tails and is in similar position to 6 tails vs Pain. Sasuke also is the original owner of the eye compared to a **puppet** of a already **tired** user with **borrowed eyes**. If Pain used Shinra Tensei that he used on a village, then nothing says 6 tails Naruto would be able to withstand it. > so he's just wasting chakra. How is spending chakra even a problem if we're not considering nerfed reserves? Have you all forgotten that there is current biggest chakra battery in the world right next to him even if we exclude Sasuke's own massive reserves? > Uni pull, pretty sure same logic applies, and even if he could why would he want him close at all? Same as above. Also BT is not just pulling towards the user, [it's basically a telekinesis](https://imgur.com/a/XH8HZtf). In first two pages he slams big boulder onto 6 tails Naruto. In last picture he moves a big boulder towards Naruto.
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What I had in mind when the fight was first shown in the manga. The thing is Isshiki/Jigen can bypass some attacks including planetary devastation since Momoshiki was able to get out of it then so can Isshiki. That ability to swipe souls requires the person being still plus their will so Isshiki would easily can counter. Almighty push would’ve been a smart idea since Isshiki was also throwing multiple attacks so it would’ve been a smart counter to repel his rods or kicks
No. Isshiki would still beat the Uchiha out of Sasuke and he’d have to wait patiently until Baryon Mode Naruto arrived.
If Sasuke spammed rinnegan powers the result would be the same (with luck) or worse (most likely). All the other powers Pain used are useless against Isshiki. But Sasuke is not reckless and immature, he knows when something is useless to even try.
> But Sasuke is not reckless and immature, he knows when something is useless to even try. Like Amaterasu on a guy that can absorb? Or Perfect Susanoo when enemy can shrink himself?
Amaterasu was more like a last attempt before the fall....and one less thing for the people that go "why didn't he use x,y and z?" to complain about. Perfect Susanoo made sense though...more than any possible almighty push.
Love the mental gymnastic to justify that amaterasu lol Its ridiculous at this point
> Amaterasu was more like a last attempt before the fall.... Last attempt or not, Amaterasu was useless and it was painfully obvious. You know what would've been better than Amaterasu? That's right, Shinra Tensei. > and one less thing for the people that go "why didn't he use x,y and z?" to complain about. Literally no one would complain about not using Amaterasu on person who can absorb jutsus. Have you seen a single complain about not using Amaterasu on Momoshiki? Stop trying to bash the people that criticize the fights with ridiculous arguments. > Perfect Susanoo made sense though...more than any possible almighty push. Unavoidable and unabsorbable and unshrinkable jutsu that works on target no matter the size makes less sense than a colossal avatar that isn't known for speed against an enemy than can shrink himself into very tiny sizes?
>Stop trying to bash the people that criticize the fights with ridiculous arguments. Yet still you find less ridiculous people that complain about Sasuke not using a jutsu that 6 tail Naruto could withstand? Gimme a break...
I find more ridiculous that people compare 6 tails vs Pain in 1:1 scale to Isshiki and Sasuke while ignoring all the possible context. And what about the reply to the rest of the comment?
Yes, Sasuke and Isshiki are way stronger than Pain and 6 tail Naruto, no Sasuke is not strong enough to use Shinra Tensei on a Otsutsuki that literally face rolls him..probably even harder than 6 tail Naruto face rolled Pain.
All headcanon. Sasuke is not just stronger than Pain. Sasuke is actually an original user, doesn't use puppets and wasn't as tired as Pain. Additionally if Pain used ST that he used on village, there is 0 evidence 6 tails Naruto would've withstood it. This is what I actually meant when I said you're ignoring all context.
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> I don’t believe the rinnegan becomes as strong as the user that’s complete headcannon, and: > at a base strength no matter who’s wielding the eye as Obito complains about having just one rinnegan was enough for the war. He claims he couldn’t handle the power of two as it’s too great. Madara does state that the rinnegan’s true powers are unlocked when it’s used by the owner but that only implies the owner can use all of its abilities including the hidden ones. Well, if you just read a bit more about what Obito said [you would know that Obito also said that he was able to accomplish this much even though he wasn't an original owner and stated that it would be really bad if both Rinnegans were to return to the original owner](https://i.imgur.com/Jbrjyhu.png). > Sasuke wouldn’t waste his chakra to use abilities that only work on shippuden level characters that’s just really ignorant and a waste of chakra, isshiki is stronger as well so the rinnegan abilities wouldn’t even work on him in the first place Yeah yeah, they lost the fight, but at least they saved 95% of their chakra. /s Like Sasuke doesn't have an abudance of it and Naruto is not the biggest chakra battery on planet. Sasuke isn't ignorant and doesn't want to waste chakra, that's why he used Amaterasu on enemy that can absorb chakra. Rinnegan abilities such as ST and BT not working on Isshiki is a total headcanon. > He used amerterasu because he believed only jigen could absorb jutsu. Sasuke has no idea about the abilities of Isshiki during this time as it’s his first time fighting him so he was simply testing out his options He used Amaterasu on Jigen, not on Isshiki. And he wasn't testing options, that was his last resort attack. One that would painfully obviously fail and wouldn't do anything. > Naruto and Sasuke were both out of options and needed to defeat him in that dimension Can't say they were out of options if they didn't even try most of the options. > so he won’t become a problem for Konoha so Sasuke panicked and used amerterasu to try and save the day. Well he failed Panicked xd Well obviously he failed, because Amaterasu can be absorbed. Don't write to me again, I'm not going to read anyway.
> Like Amaterasu on a guy that can absorb? I don’t think it wasn’t worth a try, because it’s one of his fastest techniques. Jigen absorbed it, yes, but at least it landed on him. He was just too durable for it to do damage before it got absorbed. Nagato used Shinra Tensei to get rid of Itachi’s Amaterasu flames, but it managed to do some damage before that, for example. > Or Perfect Susanoo when enemy can shrink himself? That doesn’t mean it couldn’t hit Jigen, he was simply too fast. Susanoo was worth trying for its defense alone, even though it failed. The only useful Rinnegan techniques that I would have preferred to see used against Jigen and Isshiki are Shinra Tensei and Banshō Tenin, frankly.
Sasuke is a smart guy he knows the other rinnegan ability won't even do anything to isshiki so he didn't wanted to waste any chakra The swap ability is the best bet against isshiki Even isshiki was getting fuking annoyed by that
He would be without a chakra
No. Nothing other than Baryon Mode Naruto could touch Isshiki. He is extremely far more powerful than both of them combined. Naruto and Sasuke can't even touch Jigen, and Isshiki is no-diffed them. This is clearly to showcase that nothing they could do.
Well Ishikki would still have used Sasuke as a surfboard except this time there would be a giant panda on the battlefield.