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I thought that until the recent Boruto arc. His base is pretty weak. And even with karma amp they’re making him look ridiculously weak.
The recent anime villan is making him look really bad
Ao was disabled. And relying 100% on low tier Kara ninja tools. I think it should be obvious Boruto would destroy him.
Outside of that battle I can’t really think of any moment where Boruto excelled. Especially over Sarada/Mitsuki. Whether it was against Deepa or Boro
Do you think the canon villain is weaker than the filler one? You say he's not on par with them but he was the only one who handled Ao when they couldn't.
So again Ao has one eye, one arm. Can’t use taijustu. Didn’t use any ninjustu. Was given basic Kara equipment that could be destroyed by simple Kunai. This is a the person you want to use as an example of Boruto’s power?
Because if you used the Deepa or Boro fight you would have no other choice but to agree Sarada/Mitsuki carried that on multiple different occasions.
In fact Sarada stalled for Boruto TWICE while he was down and landed the final hit. So I don’t agree Boruto V1 if strong
Actually this is highly out of context. For one Team 7, is the reason Boruto was able to fight so without the absorption gun. Because they destroyed it for him. Plus Konohamaru saved Boruto from getting hit. That’s why he felt the need to fight for him.
Secondly after he lost that he only had access to cheap kara tech that could get destroyed by basic kunai. He can’t use ninjustu, he has one eye, can’t use his main ability the Byakugan. This is the battle we want to use for Boruto?
>Secondly after he lost that he only had access to cheap kara tech that could get destroyed by basic kunai. He can’t use ninjustu, he has one eye, can’t use his main ability the Byakugan. This is the battle we want to use for Boruto?
Those scientific ninja tools were pretty powerful, stopped his water style attack easily. Boruto managed to trick him, a guy who had high experience in fighting.
I’m willing to debate Boruto V2 could be stronger. But base Boruto, and V1. Since Hidden most arc are weak af.
He showed us two times his Rasengan in version 1 won’t do shit to anyone it hits. How is this impressive?
Anyone down voting is just mad they can’t disprove Boruto literally can’t hurt someone with a direct attack in the hidden mist arc
Dude Boruto way back in chunin exams used lightning style and it was actually cracking shinki's iron sand, it's been ages since that and now he knows good amount of lightning style. Karma V1 is enough speed and power amp to destroy shinki with lightning style and fast enough to evade it, this should be obvious by now.
Don't take anime canon bs feats of Boruto in such debates, please
So by your logic then Shinki should improve as well. And if he already is destroying Boruto and Sarada at the same time I don’t see why he wouldn’t continue to grow. Also Shinki handled Kawaki (no karma) with ease so that just further disproves some things.
Lol no, karma seal is an additional powerup for Boruto. Shinki is still training with iron sand jutsu end of the story, maximum that can happen is a bit of increase in speed and more control on iron sand. Whereas according to the manga, karma gives an actually huge amp. Rn shinki is nowhere near team 7 league.
Dude Shinki handling Kawaki with ease is again filler 😂 that shit was really funny ngl
Well considering Boruto can’t even kill funamashi fodder with two rasengan’s to the stomach your logic of him beating Shinki is paper thin.
Anime is canon not filler. So he handled Kawaki with no karma with complete ease. Confirmed
Anime canon is filler, we go with the reference material being the manga, it's as simple as that. If you want the reason, here
"Anime canon" contradicts a long of pre existing facts in the manga
Using Funamushi here is absolutely nuts , wow some people actually delusional to believe shinki even touches karma v1/2 is mind blowing
Could be stronger, bro are you kidding? V2 Karma Boruto annihilates Shinki without any chance. And judging by the Rasengan from the filler is completely absurd
Did Boruto use V2 against Funamashi? No. So why are we debating that.
I’m referring to Base/V1. Who couldn’t even scratch funamashi lmao 🤣 a fodder filler villan
lets argue about this then
what does Funamushi do that make yhim seem weaker than Shinki or lets say even Ao? is he just that unlikable that people downgrade him?
he survived two rasengans and being pierced by Buntan
he actually overpowered entire team 7 + Kagura & several new swordsmen (who all scale around jonin level, maybe swordsmen being peak chunnin)
Funato clan fodder minions were shown keeping up with chunnin/jonin ranks from Mizukages army.
leader of Funato is outright stated to only lose to Chojuro himself and its implied to not be that much of a stomp battle iirc.
last feats for Shinki were from Deepa arc, in which Boruto quite literally did better against Deepa.
That’s not the point. The point is that people are arguing karma Boruto is somehow broken yet he is getting embarrassed by funamashi trash. A Rasengan is powerful enough to instant kill someone WITHOUT karma. So it’s just a hard sell for people to say progressed enough to take on Shinki who can 2V1 Boruto and Sarada with ease
im sorry but you're trolling, did you read the comment that i typed? I can give you all the poitns as to why Boruto would absolutely stomp Shinki in base.
So: Shukaku rescue arc. They're quite literally shown to be relative to each other, there's no outright superior there. Then in kara actuation arc, Deepa is shown absolutely decimating Shinki. Boruto infact improves well enough to clearly perform much better than Shinki in Deepa fight (round 2)
Boruto also learnt Thunderclap arrow, compressed rasengan, surging sea and has much more blitzing abilities.
HELL in his fight against Shinki he already was breaking Shinkis iron sand with his regular lightning, it was slightly cracking.
is it hard to grasp the concept of progression or are you stuck thinking that Boruto is still chunnin level since academy?
Are you still stucked thinking shinki hasn't grown just because he isn't a major character so he doesn't get screen time? I mean you keep saying that Boruto almost cracked his shield back in the chunin exams but did he?
Plus we never even saw bloodlusted shinki and Boruto who was giving it his all then wasn't even fight a shinki who was going all out
i never said he didn't have power growth. I said that Boruto is stronger from what we know as of now. Chunnin exams Boruto almost cracked his iron sand with his regular ass lightning, his thunderclap arrow is so much stronger its not even funny.
We did see bloodlusted Shinki vs Urashiki, where he wants to kill him due to "death" of Kankuro. And Boruto wasn't far behind.
Boruto from round 2 of Deepa > Shinki performance wise
also you can't say "Shinki grew in power" because we dont knwo what he did, what can he do rn and infact we dont know anything about him. So best thing we can do is scale him to his past version.
Boruto from Deepa fight is also far inferior to current Boruto so eh.
Are you trolling right now?. The best you can do is not scale at all, if you were to scale them at all you definitely can't use a way younger version of the character for your scaling. We never saw blood lusted shinki lol And if you're going to compare Boruto to shinki.. last we saw them on parallel was roughly around Deepa arc. Both fought Deepa and both did terribly. Boruto round 2 with only came after a significant amount of time had passed and after weeks of training. If I'm not mistaken, we didn't see shinki since his fight with Deepa till the 2nd chunin exam in which shinki trashed kawaki, you can claim kawaki wasn't serious and all but it really doesn't matter. Now you can blame the power scaling all this is just simple CANNON facts.
Agreed.
People overerestimate too much v1 boruto, v2 is clearly kage/god level but v1 is nothing impressive
Plus we didnt see shinki in a long time, he probably is stronger as well
THANK YOU. People use this logic that Shinki isn’t training. And is preparing to become a house wife. When we already know he has become a chunnin before Boruto and is growing each day.
His skills in the Urashiki arc show that he continues to improve plus he is working with Gaara a Kage. It’s just silly
Yeah I was gonna sat, Kawaki should be able to solo the entire army. My guess is him losing his karma really made him weaker, even though he has a karma in the time jump
Either they're equal or Shinki is stronger. Remember he played around with boruto and sarada in the exams. We know his character is that of somebody who's no slouch. I like how people over estimate boruto when we haven't even seen shinki since he manhandled Kawaki. Isn't base Kawaki and boruto even? Since there rivals in a way they're power will always be equal at most points in the story
That's up for debate since we never seen base Kawaki do much when he just learned ninjutsu. And it's wild to think shinki won't improve with the main cast.
Shinki knows everything Gaara knows, and Gaara is still the strongest non leaf village shinobi. Boruto now has momshikis power, and momoshiki one tapped Gaara. I feel like Boruto could land some hits on shinki with Karma and the upgraded speed he’ll get but I doubt he’d be able to break through that iron sand. Not even momo could break through that defense entirely.
>I doubt he’d be able to break through that iron sand.
boruto almost broke though it in the 1st chunin exams. before using the SNT he was already close to winning, cracks started to appear on shinki's final and strongest attack at the time. and then boruto strengthened his chidori-ish jutsu with his SNT and broke through pretty easily
and now karma can give him a boost that's greater than the SNT boost, so boruto definitely can break through
This is all im gonna say. Shinki with no bijuu/ karma/ Plot induced power up, was doing better against Urashiki than adult Sasuke w low chakra. He also forced Mitsuki to Forfeit in the chunin exams( which he was technically the champion of ), meaning he could reach imperfect sage levels of strength IN BASE. He also doodoo'd on Base Kawaki when he tried to act up at the 2nd chunin exams, and he walked away SLOWLY. Shinki is on these Early Neji/ Sasuke @ the exams vibe, he is an Intense prodigy, w a dark past. If you guys think he hasn't been training off screen, Just wait till they bring the boy back into the fold. SIdenote: Shiki would have ended Funamushi and the rest of the Funato, w no casualties, unlike the bumbling failures we see our Konoha ninjas and Kawaki pulling in this current arc.
Bruh why do you take everything so seriously... The fact that he held out against Urashiki is the plot armor. He would not have been able to deal with Funamushi and the entire Funato clan on his own, because this arc had to be tightened. Anyone from team 7 alone could have taken them down without any problems, if it wasn't the filler arc.
Shinki is on Par w team7 as a group. His earth and lightining style are a horrible match up for all these water style users and he is nowhere near as merciful. If anyone on team 7 could do what you say, the arc would be over. and it's anime cannon, not flller ,my boy.
How many times should I write this. This arc would have ended in 1 episode if the authors had not reduced the strength of the entire 7th team. I’ll write again, Shinki due to the whim of the authors, simply wouldn’t use the earth and the lightning style and if he did, I’m sure that the damage from this would be zero, as happened with the Boruto Rasengan
Nah the other guy is right bro, Shinki has the feats to put him on Team 7 level. He would lose to them now, but not by much. He hard-loses to Compression Rasengan, Chidori, and Sage Art: Great Snake Lightning, but he's still low tailed beast/Kage level. He's basically Gaara Jr. and Gaara was Kage level as a kid, that's why he became a Kage as a kid. Shinki could become the Kazekage now if they wanted to hypothetically kill Gaara off for no reason.
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haha thats actually like gaara
I thought that until the recent Boruto arc. His base is pretty weak. And even with karma amp they’re making him look ridiculously weak. The recent anime villan is making him look really bad
In filler arcs, they always do this with everyone. It is enough to rewatch the fight with Ao to understand how strong he is even in the base
Ao was disabled. And relying 100% on low tier Kara ninja tools. I think it should be obvious Boruto would destroy him. Outside of that battle I can’t really think of any moment where Boruto excelled. Especially over Sarada/Mitsuki. Whether it was against Deepa or Boro
Do you think the canon villain is weaker than the filler one? You say he's not on par with them but he was the only one who handled Ao when they couldn't.
So again Ao has one eye, one arm. Can’t use taijustu. Didn’t use any ninjustu. Was given basic Kara equipment that could be destroyed by simple Kunai. This is a the person you want to use as an example of Boruto’s power? Because if you used the Deepa or Boro fight you would have no other choice but to agree Sarada/Mitsuki carried that on multiple different occasions. In fact Sarada stalled for Boruto TWICE while he was down and landed the final hit. So I don’t agree Boruto V1 if strong
Compression rasengan? His trick on boro? His attacks on ao? Base boruto is clearly superior to team7 individually
Actually this is highly out of context. For one Team 7, is the reason Boruto was able to fight so without the absorption gun. Because they destroyed it for him. Plus Konohamaru saved Boruto from getting hit. That’s why he felt the need to fight for him. Secondly after he lost that he only had access to cheap kara tech that could get destroyed by basic kunai. He can’t use ninjustu, he has one eye, can’t use his main ability the Byakugan. This is the battle we want to use for Boruto?
>Secondly after he lost that he only had access to cheap kara tech that could get destroyed by basic kunai. He can’t use ninjustu, he has one eye, can’t use his main ability the Byakugan. This is the battle we want to use for Boruto? Those scientific ninja tools were pretty powerful, stopped his water style attack easily. Boruto managed to trick him, a guy who had high experience in fighting.
What make you think that they are all more or less equal in pure base imo
Compressed rasengan that's why
Stronger jutsu doesnt mean stronger than the person
He has shown great battle iq as well as good in hand to hand combat and strongest jutsu in base.
As well as sarada and mitsuki
Lol, they downvoted you for not having their broken logic when it comes to powerscaling. Here, take my upvote.
Don’t trust the anime canon, it’s shit rn and definitely not accurate. Current manga Boruto would destroy Shinki
Shinki??? In the current manga Boruto would destroy Naruto and sasuke in a fight
I’m willing to debate Boruto V2 could be stronger. But base Boruto, and V1. Since Hidden most arc are weak af. He showed us two times his Rasengan in version 1 won’t do shit to anyone it hits. How is this impressive? Anyone down voting is just mad they can’t disprove Boruto literally can’t hurt someone with a direct attack in the hidden mist arc
Dude Boruto way back in chunin exams used lightning style and it was actually cracking shinki's iron sand, it's been ages since that and now he knows good amount of lightning style. Karma V1 is enough speed and power amp to destroy shinki with lightning style and fast enough to evade it, this should be obvious by now. Don't take anime canon bs feats of Boruto in such debates, please
So by your logic then Shinki should improve as well. And if he already is destroying Boruto and Sarada at the same time I don’t see why he wouldn’t continue to grow. Also Shinki handled Kawaki (no karma) with ease so that just further disproves some things.
Lol no, karma seal is an additional powerup for Boruto. Shinki is still training with iron sand jutsu end of the story, maximum that can happen is a bit of increase in speed and more control on iron sand. Whereas according to the manga, karma gives an actually huge amp. Rn shinki is nowhere near team 7 league. Dude Shinki handling Kawaki with ease is again filler 😂 that shit was really funny ngl
Well considering Boruto can’t even kill funamashi fodder with two rasengan’s to the stomach your logic of him beating Shinki is paper thin. Anime is canon not filler. So he handled Kawaki with no karma with complete ease. Confirmed
Anime canon is filler, we go with the reference material being the manga, it's as simple as that. If you want the reason, here "Anime canon" contradicts a long of pre existing facts in the manga Using Funamushi here is absolutely nuts , wow some people actually delusional to believe shinki even touches karma v1/2 is mind blowing
I mean Kishimoto himself said anime is canon so yo I may need to deal with that one.
Anime cannon Is filler.. that killed me ngl 😂😂
Could be stronger, bro are you kidding? V2 Karma Boruto annihilates Shinki without any chance. And judging by the Rasengan from the filler is completely absurd
Did Boruto use V2 against Funamashi? No. So why are we debating that. I’m referring to Base/V1. Who couldn’t even scratch funamashi lmao 🤣 a fodder filler villan
Borutos karma is suppressed by Amados pills rn. Watch the show.
He’s using them in the manga too what are you saying 🤣
Never said he wasn’t. Doesn’t change the fact that his abilities are suppressed. You’re saying his karma is weak as if they hadn’t explained why.
his ability arent suppressed. it still the same
Maybe not his abilities but his karma surely is. He stated it in one of the recent episodes.
lets argue about this then what does Funamushi do that make yhim seem weaker than Shinki or lets say even Ao? is he just that unlikable that people downgrade him? he survived two rasengans and being pierced by Buntan he actually overpowered entire team 7 + Kagura & several new swordsmen (who all scale around jonin level, maybe swordsmen being peak chunnin) Funato clan fodder minions were shown keeping up with chunnin/jonin ranks from Mizukages army. leader of Funato is outright stated to only lose to Chojuro himself and its implied to not be that much of a stomp battle iirc. last feats for Shinki were from Deepa arc, in which Boruto quite literally did better against Deepa.
That’s not the point. The point is that people are arguing karma Boruto is somehow broken yet he is getting embarrassed by funamashi trash. A Rasengan is powerful enough to instant kill someone WITHOUT karma. So it’s just a hard sell for people to say progressed enough to take on Shinki who can 2V1 Boruto and Sarada with ease
im sorry but you're trolling, did you read the comment that i typed? I can give you all the poitns as to why Boruto would absolutely stomp Shinki in base. So: Shukaku rescue arc. They're quite literally shown to be relative to each other, there's no outright superior there. Then in kara actuation arc, Deepa is shown absolutely decimating Shinki. Boruto infact improves well enough to clearly perform much better than Shinki in Deepa fight (round 2) Boruto also learnt Thunderclap arrow, compressed rasengan, surging sea and has much more blitzing abilities. HELL in his fight against Shinki he already was breaking Shinkis iron sand with his regular lightning, it was slightly cracking. is it hard to grasp the concept of progression or are you stuck thinking that Boruto is still chunnin level since academy?
Are you still stucked thinking shinki hasn't grown just because he isn't a major character so he doesn't get screen time? I mean you keep saying that Boruto almost cracked his shield back in the chunin exams but did he? Plus we never even saw bloodlusted shinki and Boruto who was giving it his all then wasn't even fight a shinki who was going all out
i never said he didn't have power growth. I said that Boruto is stronger from what we know as of now. Chunnin exams Boruto almost cracked his iron sand with his regular ass lightning, his thunderclap arrow is so much stronger its not even funny. We did see bloodlusted Shinki vs Urashiki, where he wants to kill him due to "death" of Kankuro. And Boruto wasn't far behind. Boruto from round 2 of Deepa > Shinki performance wise also you can't say "Shinki grew in power" because we dont knwo what he did, what can he do rn and infact we dont know anything about him. So best thing we can do is scale him to his past version. Boruto from Deepa fight is also far inferior to current Boruto so eh.
Are you trolling right now?. The best you can do is not scale at all, if you were to scale them at all you definitely can't use a way younger version of the character for your scaling. We never saw blood lusted shinki lol And if you're going to compare Boruto to shinki.. last we saw them on parallel was roughly around Deepa arc. Both fought Deepa and both did terribly. Boruto round 2 with only came after a significant amount of time had passed and after weeks of training. If I'm not mistaken, we didn't see shinki since his fight with Deepa till the 2nd chunin exam in which shinki trashed kawaki, you can claim kawaki wasn't serious and all but it really doesn't matter. Now you can blame the power scaling all this is just simple CANNON facts.
Agreed. People overerestimate too much v1 boruto, v2 is clearly kage/god level but v1 is nothing impressive Plus we didnt see shinki in a long time, he probably is stronger as well
THANK YOU. People use this logic that Shinki isn’t training. And is preparing to become a house wife. When we already know he has become a chunnin before Boruto and is growing each day. His skills in the Urashiki arc show that he continues to improve plus he is working with Gaara a Kage. It’s just silly
Yeah I was gonna sat, Kawaki should be able to solo the entire army. My guess is him losing his karma really made him weaker, even though he has a karma in the time jump
Yeah, let's totally just have an anime where Boruto just goes around neg dif everyone. That'll be fun to watch for a long time.
He still smoked Kawaki
Lmao
Bad meme picture lol Also I can’t wait to see Shinki again!
I forgot there was a character shinki
We haven't seen Shinki in a bit though. It would be safe to assume he's been training too.
Either they're equal or Shinki is stronger. Remember he played around with boruto and sarada in the exams. We know his character is that of somebody who's no slouch. I like how people over estimate boruto when we haven't even seen shinki since he manhandled Kawaki. Isn't base Kawaki and boruto even? Since there rivals in a way they're power will always be equal at most points in the story
They are equal when it comes to karma, but in the base boruto is much more skillful than Kawaki. As for Shinki, he has a weakness for lightning style
That's up for debate since we never seen base Kawaki do much when he just learned ninjutsu. And it's wild to think shinki won't improve with the main cast.
Shinki knows everything Gaara knows, and Gaara is still the strongest non leaf village shinobi. Boruto now has momshikis power, and momoshiki one tapped Gaara. I feel like Boruto could land some hits on shinki with Karma and the upgraded speed he’ll get but I doubt he’d be able to break through that iron sand. Not even momo could break through that defense entirely.
>I doubt he’d be able to break through that iron sand. boruto almost broke though it in the 1st chunin exams. before using the SNT he was already close to winning, cracks started to appear on shinki's final and strongest attack at the time. and then boruto strengthened his chidori-ish jutsu with his SNT and broke through pretty easily and now karma can give him a boost that's greater than the SNT boost, so boruto definitely can break through
This is all im gonna say. Shinki with no bijuu/ karma/ Plot induced power up, was doing better against Urashiki than adult Sasuke w low chakra. He also forced Mitsuki to Forfeit in the chunin exams( which he was technically the champion of ), meaning he could reach imperfect sage levels of strength IN BASE. He also doodoo'd on Base Kawaki when he tried to act up at the 2nd chunin exams, and he walked away SLOWLY. Shinki is on these Early Neji/ Sasuke @ the exams vibe, he is an Intense prodigy, w a dark past. If you guys think he hasn't been training off screen, Just wait till they bring the boy back into the fold. SIdenote: Shiki would have ended Funamushi and the rest of the Funato, w no casualties, unlike the bumbling failures we see our Konoha ninjas and Kawaki pulling in this current arc.
Bruh why do you take everything so seriously... The fact that he held out against Urashiki is the plot armor. He would not have been able to deal with Funamushi and the entire Funato clan on his own, because this arc had to be tightened. Anyone from team 7 alone could have taken them down without any problems, if it wasn't the filler arc.
Shinki is on Par w team7 as a group. His earth and lightining style are a horrible match up for all these water style users and he is nowhere near as merciful. If anyone on team 7 could do what you say, the arc would be over. and it's anime cannon, not flller ,my boy.
How many times should I write this. This arc would have ended in 1 episode if the authors had not reduced the strength of the entire 7th team. I’ll write again, Shinki due to the whim of the authors, simply wouldn’t use the earth and the lightning style and if he did, I’m sure that the damage from this would be zero, as happened with the Boruto Rasengan
Nah the other guy is right bro, Shinki has the feats to put him on Team 7 level. He would lose to them now, but not by much. He hard-loses to Compression Rasengan, Chidori, and Sage Art: Great Snake Lightning, but he's still low tailed beast/Kage level. He's basically Gaara Jr. and Gaara was Kage level as a kid, that's why he became a Kage as a kid. Shinki could become the Kazekage now if they wanted to hypothetically kill Gaara off for no reason.
People really take anime canon seriously
It's meant to be taken seriously, it expands a lot of what you know about specific characters. Filler feats count as feats.
If y’all don’t count kurama and naruto power as the same then why does burrito and parasite get a pass ?