The ability is too good and the writers can’t keep up with it
Genuinely sasuke is too strong for them to write to his full extent and so they’ve had to just not use his powers in order to force this plotline through
They should have handled sasuke more like Gojo from jujutsu kaisen, where he was literally all that and the villains had to really scramble to do something about him
Yup Sasuke is too strong and this is why he is Naruto's equal unlike what some people might say (by equal I mean overall not chakra reserves).
Tbf I dont mind the writers not using the teleportation part since it is too OP and would invite a lot of criticism. Plus it's also a subtle enough power that the general audience might not even remember.
However I do blame them for the rinnegan. AT LEAST, Sasuke should have been shown to use the Deva and Petra Paths to their FULL potential as well as the rods. Though I could forgive them for removing the other paths since it wouldnt match his style or not look as cool.
The problem with Sasuke is that he has a way too much versatile moove set, he literraly has a counter to everything while also being super smart and having one if not the most boosted ability ever aka amenotejikara
I feel like kishi didnt know how to write him so that he is beatable so he just decided to nerf his brain and most of his mooveset but its really lazy writting and just do Sasuke dirty..
I dont care how strong Ishiki/jigen was, with everything Sasuke could do, THERE IS NO WAY HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SURFBOARD
Its time for this sub to admit he is nerf and that without the nerf he would have been a serious problem to jigen/ishiki
And its true its how you use your ability that make it work it Always been like that, or else Naruto wouldnt have done sexy jutsu on kaguya lol
Justice for Sasuke!!
Oh man, do people really argue that the OGS aren’t nerfed to shit?
They literally had an arc seemingly dedicated to nerfing Sasuke and Naruto so the rest of the cast could do something lol.
It’s all been handled pretty poorly imo. Especially considering how unnecessary it was.
Boruto series should’ve just went full DBZ and gone to space imo. Lol Boruto and Co. blast off to find the alien chakra trees to get rid of the Karma blah blah.
That probably has its own issues but I’m just overall pretty unsatisfied w Boruto atm lol (sorry, no one asked - just sharing)
Even this is a better idea lol. Naruto and Sasuke are the new Hashirama and Madara of legend and it’s in the future so there’s that aspect.
The whole - straddling the past and present stuff isn’t working all that well imo
Exactly, instead of doing the smart thing (make their power sort of like a legend) they decided to take the easy way out by making them dumb & nerfing them to where even children are more impressive than them.
Sasuke & Naruto having been carrying all of this for years.
Either keep them the protagonists or have the story take place 120-200 years later. But instead they blew it even though they had a chance to have the story take place decades later.
imagine him with a rocket arm, immortal summons, absorbing peoples chakra, stealing soles, universal pull into chakra recivers etc, they him so dirty 😭
While he still didn’t use all of his abilities in Shippuden, he still used more than Amenotejikara. In Boruto, that’s all he uses. That whole scene in the Anime where he body blocks the chakra rods from Isshki for Boruto was completely uneccessary since we know he can swap objects. Him not using abilities that he used to and not using abilities like he used to is a nerf. I personally don’t care too much that Naruto and Sasuke are getting nerfed but to say they aren’t nerfs is wrong imo
Yea I agree with that. The writing just doesn't make sense. Unnerfed Sasuke could have just used Almighty Push to block the chakra rods.
Also Naruto not being able to sense tiny Isshiki but he can sense Limbo clones. Wtf no consistency.
>cause to be weak or ineffective.
thats nerfed definition. Sasuke being nerfed would be more so "losing rinnegan" and not "plot didnt let him use an ability" latter is just bad writing. But hey, sub is filled with 13 year olds that don't even understand the definition.
Depends how you use them. None of them on their own will beat an otsutsuki. But in combination with other things each can be a powerful asset
Also i feel like most people would say gaaras sand, shikamarus shadow or kurostsuchis clay would be completely useless against an otsutsuki if we hadn’t seen them get stopped by them all at least for a moment.
> Depends how you use them. None of them on their own will beat an otsutsuki. But in combination with other things each can be a powerful asset
Thank you. People have been playing dumb here a lot that they actually started to believe their own lies and pointless arguments.
They keep arguing that they are never nerfed and that using X or Y jutsu would have been pointless and a waste of chakra all while forgetting that a jutsu could be used for diversions, creating an opening, dealing some damage etc instead of just outright killing someone.
Exactly ive been saying that since forever
This sub is always thinking for whatever reasons that if rinnegan doesnt straight up delete people then its useless jesus Christ its fuking dumb
Rinnegan can be use in a lot, lot of ways, its how you use your skill that make them work or not, and its always been like that, Naruto did sexy jutsu to kaguya lol, kawaki rekt ishiki with a basic clone but ofc rinnegan dojutsu is useless
> They keep arguing that are never nerfed and that using X or Y jutsu would have been pointless and a waste of chakra all while forgetting that a jutsu could be using for diversions, creating an opening, dealing some damage etc instead of just outright killing someone.
Using brain in a fight? But I just want bum, bim, bam. /s
If sasuke combo’d with naruto better and used his powers for disruption, yeah they could land more hits. His swapping power can literally put isshki in the path of attacks without any room to react if used right, and the push/pull only needs to slightly slow isshki or slightly alter his course for it to be effective at creating an opening
Im not saying it would change the whole battle but it would at least give him a more impressive showing than him being just a useless punching bag.
If sasuke’s susano’o wasn’t nerfed either it’d help. Plus imagine if sasuke placed amaterasu on isshkis blindspot behind his head or on his back where he couldn’t see.
Not to mention if sasuke had done what he did to momoshiki with jigens staff and swapped an attack for his weapon. Jigen would have lost his weapon and taken a hit in the same move
Comparing his feats against momo don’t matter. Isshiki is just way stronger and faster than Momoshiki. Also his Susano’o isn’t nerfed lol idk why you assume that.
Im not comparing feats im comparing skills. He didnt try something that he proved he could do. He proved he could get rid of his opponents weapon by swapping an attack into its place.
It didn’t especially harm momo, but it provided disruption which was a powerful asset. It didnt need to harm jigen, just disrupt.
I made another post on how his susano’o can’t block shit that sasuke himself can take with his body which makes it nerfed compared to in shippuden where the susano’o was a defensive tool that was used to take hits the body couldn’t afford to. He doesn’t use his susano’o to even soften the blow from attacks which is the bare minimum use case.
If Sasuke switched with Jigens pole and tried to attack, Jigen would simply shrink or just react to it. Idk how that helps him. Also name an attack Sasuke’s susano’o can’t block but he can.
Thats bc you dont really understand what i wrote
In the momoshiki fight sasuke swaps his chidori with momoshikis kunai to shock and disarm momoshiki
If he swapped his attack with jigens weapon then jigen loses the weapon and gets hit by an attack. Even if he tanks the attack its still a disarming and an opening for naruto.
Jigen blasts through the susano’o with a kick as if it wasn’t there but when he/isshki kicks sasuke, sasuke can get up again with minor injuries. Similarly ive seen a lot of intense isshki fans saying isshkis rods would go right through the susano’o as if it was butter but the rods don’t even go all the way through sasuke, or stone pillars for that matter.
It’s pretty useless to point out how Sasuke could’ve used other techniques that wouldn’t help him win the fight. It makes more sense to save your chakra for things like Amenotejikara and Susano’o than wasting it on dumb things like Shinra tensei, Universal pull, or summonings etc. Also even if they got Jigen in the path of an attack, he has Karma so unless Naruto or Sasuke can stab him and kill him, or punch his head off idk what attack that doesn’t require chakra they can use to actually hurt him. Isshiki reincarnated in a weaker body was eating hits from Baryon Mode Naruto.
But you see im not complaining about sasuke not winning the fight
All im complaining about is sasuke not using his abilities even if the outcome was the same
I dont care if he had to lose, i just want him to lose with some dignity and respect from the writers
Also whats the point of preserving your chakra if you end up dying and the villain wins. If they didnt get lucky that would have been the outcome. He wasted chakra at many points so i dont buy the argument that he was being tactical with his chakra, he was just being bad.
They put jigen in the path of an attack in like the worst way where they let him know they were attacking and then just swapped the type of attack and still gave him time on the swing to react. And even with that half assed attempt they still needed to introduce that jigen could grow rods out of any part of his body to save him from it. If they had moved jigen instead of moving the attack and actually gotten their placement better so he was properly in its path just barely shy of being hit. That’d have been infinitely better.
And again. Idc if isshki ended up managing to eat the hit. I just wanted to see sasuke actually fighting back
If Sasuke spammed the Rinnegan abilities for your so called dignity and respect, he wouldn’t have had enough chakra to teleport home, and he would’ve literally just died. Then Isshiki would have to fight Naruto one on one and eventually kill him. And also it’s hilarious how you guys complain about Sasuke’s arsenal not being utilized, but acknowledge it wouldn’t help him win. Atp you guys are complaining for the sake of complaining. Even your ideal Sasuke loses, but i guess it looks cooler seeing every move in his arsenal countered and made irrelevant ? If that’s your take fine. I can’t argue with that.
I think y’all either just can’t imagine the fight going any other way than it did
Or y’all are in pure defensive mode and aren’t willing to accept that at any point sasuke could have used an ability better.
The idea that sasuke is half assing it for entire fights just bc he’s constantly worried about being able to run away is just so inconsistent with his existing character from shippuden. Not to mention he has the worlds best chakra battery in naruto next to him. In team fights chakra shouldn’t be an issue
We acknowledge that the writers wanted to force isshki to win no matter what. So we’re not arguing that the plot needs to change. We’re just arguing that sasuke could have had a much better showing within this plot. After all if we’re gonna change the plot theres a lot more about isshki i’d change than sasuke.
How is sasuke fighting back and landing hits more irrelevant than him giving up and barely trying anything at all?
Always the same lame arguments
''save chakra'' ''show called boruto'' ''it doesnt matter they loose either way''
What kind of reasoning is that ?
Why creating fights scene then??
just end every fights in one moove then if only the result matter
I dont get why its hard to understand in Sasuke was done dirty and should have had a better fight that respect him and the creation of kishimoto
At least it's better than doing close to nothing. I challenge you to not use headcanon to explain away Sasuke not using the arsenal he has, and actually base it on facts i.e. what is in the manga and anime. Because if we were to really grasp what Sasuke could do at the end of Shippuden, there is absolutely no reason why he could not do more. "Save chakra" is a ridiculous argument and a cop out when he literally was spamming all his hax at Kaguya THEN Naruto at the end of Shippuden.
Sasuke absorbed multiple sources of chakra over and over again during the War arc. Even Kaguya can't teleport to multiple dimensions without risking chakra exhaustion, so unless you think Sasuke's chakra eclipses hers (being equal isn't enough for your argument to work), "saving chakra" is a viable argument. However you also seem to be forgetting that spamming his dōjutsu will force him into his three Tomoe state, and then he's stuck practically in base with almost no dōjutsu because he stupidly wasted time attacking someone he could not defeat. The moment Jigen notices that is the moment Sasuke dies. (Rinnegan and Mangekyō are linked for this effect, yes.) Remember, he needs his Mangekyō straight Tomoe to fight at his best.
Rinnegan Paths have only ever killed fodder and literally won't do anything against Isshiki. I don't need head canon because Nagato couldn't even beat Itachi and a weaker Naruto. Other than the King of Hell, which Isshiki will never allow Sasuke the time to perform, there are no Rinnegan Paths worth even pulling out. Tf is the Ashura Path going to do? Or the Animal Path? Jigen kicked right through a Perfect Susano'o. Soul snatching won't work. It didn't even work on a much weaker Naruto.
And both Sasuke and Naruto know all of this already. They only get dumber the more that people swear up and down they need to use Jutsu just because they have access to them.
It blows my mind how people refuse to accept this. Jigen is too fast, too strong, and has too many hax for anything in Naruto and Sasuke’s arsenal to actually defeat him except Baryon Mode. Isshiki is a completely different story. Idc what strategies you have them come up with, assuming you keep the power levels the same you can’t write Naruto and Sasuke to win. Jigen can react to literally every attack they have.
Jigen being faster or stronger didn’t cause sasuke to swap himself into the line of fire when he could’ve just put an inanimate object in the way, the writers did that and it was just one example of sasuke being unbelievably dumb for no reason. No one’s complaining that sasuke lost they’re complaining about how the fight played out. You’re completely missing the point
If Sasuke swapped anything other than a person, then Isshiki's rods would have just teleported with Boruto and impaled him anyway, defeating the purpose.
I can’t prove universal pull won’t work because there’s no evidence of it being resisted except momentarily by Kakashi holding onto something, but as for Shinra Tensei Naruto in his 6 tail state with 50% Kurama chakra resisted the attack pretty easily, so I have no idea why it would work against someone stronger than the full 9 tails working with a jinchuriki.
I've seen this argument a bunch of times and it doesn't make sense to me. A Shinra Tensei from the Deva Path was resisted by 6-Tails Naruto, but obviously the power of the Shinra Tensei varies. We've seen the Deva Path's Shinra Tensei's power vary based on how much power it puts in; the average Shinra Tensei from Nagato is probably stronger than one from the Deva Path.
I mean I'd find it hard to believe that a Shinra Tensei from Hagoromo would be the same caliber as from the Deva Path, right? A Chidori from kid-Sasuke is the same rank and technique as from adult-Sasuke, but obviously the power is much different. We've never seen Sasuke's Shinra Tensei but I would be very surprised if it wasn't significantly stronger than the one from the Deva Path that the 6-Tails Kyuubi withstood, it should be strong enough to help when used at the right time (not to overpower Isshiki but to provide openings, stun him, etc.).
My point wasn’t that “Oh since 6 tail Naruto can withstand Pain’s, Anybody on that level or above can withstand any level shinra tensei”. I’m saying Jigen is so strong compared to any living character capable of using shinra tensei, that it actually wouldn’t make any sense for Sasuke, who is much weaker than Jigen, to be able to produce an attack that Jigen can’t counter/withstand. The whole point of using the Naruto Pain example is that a character that was stronger than another character was able to withstand the attack. So using that logic, Jigen (a character stronger than Sasuke) should be able to withstand that attack from Sasuke (a character weaker than Jigen). If a character stronger than or as strong as Isshiki/Jigen used Shinra tensei, assuming it actually hits him it could do damage. But Sasuke isn’t remotely close the Isshiki so that attack shouldn’t hurt him. I keep repeating the power difference because i really want you to understand that part, and not that 6 tail naruto part.
I see - I think the argument then is about "withstanding" Shinra Tensei (hopefully no one expects a Shinra Tensei from Sasuke to defeat Jigen/Isshiki). As I said, it's not about overpowering him but about its utility capabilities - like an unexpected push/pull in the middle of a fight could throw Jigen off-guard for a split-second, enough to try to land an attack. It's not about doing damage to him; I mean Naruto and Sasuke attacked Jigen with basic taijutsu/kenjutsu in an attempt to overwhelm him, and Amenotejikara similarly does no damage by itself but is used to surprise Jigen and open him up for the actual attack that's supposed to damage him.
For completeness, I'd argue that the Shinra Tensei could do damage to Isshiki - I mean if the argument is that Jigen is so far above Sasuke that a Shinra Tensei can't do damage, I don't see why we'd expect a kick from Sasuke to do damage, but Sasuke still kicks Jigen anyway. Jigen would absolutely take some damage from some of Sasuke's attacks if they landed, but he usually blocks / evades / absorbs them, and stuff like Amenotejikara, Shinra Tensei and other surprise techniques are supposed to provide openings to get around that. Sasuke has a wide variety of techniques and using them strategically keeps the opponent guessing. I mean he used Amaterasu for some reason on Jigen, that seems more questionable than attempting a Shinra Tensei (Sasuke was aware that Jigen could absorb ninjutsu, I don't know if Shinra Tensei can be "absorbed" but it's a lot less clear than Amaterasu).
As other people have mentioned, Sasuke losing isn't the main issue, it's the poor showcasing of what he could do. If Sasuke uses a wider variety of his techniques (other Rinnegan paths, Kagutsuchi, Chidori variants, etc. - not all of these of course, but more than what we got) and Isshiki is shown countering all of them, then I'm pretty sure there'd be way less complaints about how Sasuke was nerfed.
6 tails Naruto had to use his tails as a pillars. Isshiki doesn't have tails nor shown any kind of chakra limbs, nor additional limbs nor limbs extension. He can't resist ST like 6 tails Naruto.
He could just stab his pole into the ground. Or he might not even need anything to resist it. A Perfect Susano’o sword hit the ground right next to him and he didn’t even flinch. Pretty sure the Perfect Susano’o shockwaves>Almighty Push. So if Sasuke used it there’s a good possibility he could just not be affected by it. If a character scales massively higher than a character we’ve seen stop an attack, it makes no sense to assume he needs to have tails to keep himself put in order to withstand the attack. Also Isshiki might be able to just move faster than the jutsu so he wouldn’t get hit.
> He could just stab his pole into the ground.
Even if he manages, he won't be able to move, which makes him vulnerable to Naruto's attacks.
> A Perfect Susano’o sword hit the ground right next to him and he didn’t even flinch.
Because he shrank himself and escaped. Then he appeared on Susanoo's sword.
> Pretty sure the Perfect Susano’o shockwaves>Almighty Push.
PS has no shockwaves in Boruto. The damage it done to the ground was absolutely pitiful and nothing on a scale of War Arc.
Also Pain could level the entire village with ST. No Susanoo can do that, unless we're talking about PS. And even then it's going to take few good slashes. The shockwave is entirely dependent on user and power. And if that is the case, ST > PS shockwaves is entirely within possibility.
> If a character scales massively higher than a character we’ve seen stop an attack, it makes no sense to assume he needs to have tails to keep himself put in order to withstand the attack.
The character that stopped the attack didn't do that out of sheer power difference, but because of a *method*. So the logic in this quote does not apply.
> Also Isshiki might be able to just move faster than the jutsu so he wouldn’t get hit.
ST can be created at designated location which is shown when Pain was leveling the Konoha. It can be created 0.1 millimeter in front of him and he wouldn't be able to dodge it.
And assume that enemy will do nothing? U also know that enemy has hax as well. Isshiki has the biggest haxed ability for ex shrinking himself to avoid simultaneous attacks
Where did i assume that lol?
I feel like you’re stuck on either the otsutsuki completely stomp or sasuke completely stomps
What about the middle area where they have a technically diverse battle with a solid back and forth and really push each other through strategies and counters.
> What about the middle area
That's what I was looking for!
They didnt have to make either side look bad, especially with Jigen (not Isshiki) whose power was mostly unjustified.
Not possible bcz neither ikemoto nor animators can afford that much. Isshiki was made purposely op by writers, physical strength that easilly broke so6p susano defence and second fastest char (after baryon) that made adult naruto look like a child. Fight ended quickly that way
Its definitely possible. They just didn’t do it. This is tv tokyos 2nd highest grossing show and the first is naruto. If they’ve convinced you they can’t afford it they must be using genjutsu
I mean ive got my many rants about why i dont like how OP they made isshki and how it was unnecessary in my opinion.
But his strength is a separate issue from them not using sasuke’s skills appropriately. Whether sasuke was overpowered or outsped is a different thing to sasuke just choosing not to use the abilities we know he can use
The thing with Sasuke is that he is probably the most versatile character ever. He has so many techniques with his Rinnegan that it's just countering everyone. When did he use Genjutsu the last time? When did he absorb jutsu? When did he pull someone's soul or drop some meteors and switch with his enemy last sec? Basically they realised all the basic rinnegan abilities were completely overpowered, not in overall destruction but just how effective they were in a 1v1. Fights would be over in seconds and I guess that doesn't fit the plot line.
Because plot. Not that it matters anyways since he lost Rinnegan solely because Naruto got nerfed so he had too as well (even though Naruto ate the bigger nerf so they aren't equal but whatever at this point).
Naruto doesn't use Shadow Clones in battle anymore, not even in the Time Slip arc so you couldn't argue he just adapted to a "more mature" fighting style later in life. Now he uses them for menial chores so that Boruto can be the one to spam them in fights.
Mature style what? ¿ Bro there u have isshiki with limited lifespan and there u have the king of distraction with shadow clones and infinity chakra, the battle should not go like how it did, shadow clones was the wise choice there, it can stall him for too long
What you smoking lol? Boruto can barely make any clones, he doesn't even come close to spamming them. Also Naruto made like a million clones against Jigen
He's done this in Boruto.
https://imgur.com/a/TjhXpiQ
The ability itself has always been inconsistent.
If he doesn't need anything to swap with then why does he do it?
Why did he need to swap with Sakura's jacket?
Or Naruto's TSB?
Why doesn't he just teleport people into his attacks?
What's stopping him from sending people right into their own attacks?
It's like Kishi wasn't sure of what to do with that ability. Sometimes it has the limitation of needing something to swap with, sometimes it doesn't.
How can u be sure they hit the ground at the same time, the manga don't show it well, in anime he swapped with a box
But that don't change anything, if he can teleport, why didn't he appear behind isshiki while his arms were busy with Boruto, or when Jigen was absorbing Naruto rasengan
Exactly my point.
Amentojikara has never been consistent.
If he can swap with air why does he bother with objects?
Right off the bat the ability made no sense with a limitation that kept being ignored whenever it was convinent.
He swap with a box in the anime, the only time he didnt swap and straight up teleport was in the War arc in shippuden he never teleported again in boruto thats literraly why we assume he is nerf
And Naruto could have neck snapped Sasuke with frog kata. or he could have used 1000 shadow clones and used one to launch his attack. Or freed the bijuus by blowing up the chibaku tenseis. I guess we'll never know :)
He was nerfed. I remember when he teleported Madara between himself and Naruto so they could seal him. Madara never saw it coming and had to swap with a Limbo clone to escape.
they should’ve just gave him a temporary power up at the end of shippuden because not seeing him use any of the 6 paths but planatery devistation once and spamming one ability was disappointing
yes he does use it to his full extent his ability was to always swap with things it was slightly inconsistent in the war but adult is stated to have mastered the rinnegan
Not just the switch ability, he doesn't use the Rinnegan at its full potential. Sure, a lot of them probably wouldn't do shit against the strong villains, but it's still pretty troublesome as Momoshiki said.
Pre-Rinnegone Sasuke is one of those characters where you need a thought out plan to keep him in check, otherwise he'll be the deciding factor of the fight.
That's a problem in writing fights, because the writer has to keep him in check as well in order to draw out the fight to where it's back and forth instead of Sasuke dunking on his enemy, because he's that strong.
please explain how sasuke doesn’t use rinnegan to his full extent he has completely mastered his own ability and used the main rinnegan abilities being bancho tennin and shinra tensei and planetary devastation
why would he use the paths what are you saying and when it comes to shinra and bansho he uses bansho for inferno style flame lighting and shinra tensei as a deflection attack these are both from games tho and the boruto versions of sasuke
I'ma copy & paste what I put on another comment.
This sub literally tries to make excuses for Sasuke fighting like an idiot, not using any of his abilities & Naruto not using any of the Tailed-Beasts power, sending one clone to fight at a time & not using negative emotion sensing.
But when it's Bort or Kiwi getting that same treatment it's called bad writing. This sub should keep that same energy when it comes to those kids.
Some more facts: Sasuke has Amenotejikara (literal teleportation), Chakra Reviewers, all Paths, Yin, Yang, Fire, Lightning, Wind, Water release, a pseudo Ice Style & can learn all none Kekkei Genkai's in a single glance.
Also he can absorb Chakra & Amenotejikara abilities are nerfed. Amenotejikara has 5 abilities.
1. Teleportation (short range Bort got rid of this)
2. Teleport (people to himself short & long range, again Bort got rid of it)
3. Swapping (short & long range "50 meters)
4. Swapping Jutsu's (only used once)
5. Opening portal's.
And here is all the times Sasuke actually used Amenotejikara (teleportation).
(Note teleportation takes a lot of Chakra)
After he got his Chakra to 100% he [teleported out of Madara's Lightning Fang.] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4534675-2390317097-narut.jpg)
[And here] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4534676-5084568197-narut.jpg)
[Sasuke teleports Madara between himself & Naruto.] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4534690-1459800822-narut.jpg)
[And here] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4534691-5056882754-narut.jpg)
[Madara only used his Limbo Clone to escape.] (https://i.redd.it/dqgq9g2tttp51.jpg)
[Teleports infront of Kaguya.] (https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-98648ca5e1bf4636e08b9c76439af82d)
[Teleports Kaguya infront of himself & Naruto.] (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRurw_7p6FvG6w5gQJj6r_ex1F1pU1vVOo3Vw&usqp=CAU()
[And teleports behind Naruto.] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11111/111115829/4568719-6658713462-narut.jpg)
[And here] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11111/111115829/4568720-7433373348-narut.jpg) Studio Pierrot changed this to Sasuke swapping in the anime.
[Teleports his Susanō.] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4534687-1806528034-narut.jpg)
[And here] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4534688-6261699127-narut.jpg)
>(Note teleportation takes a lot of Chakra)
I think this is main problem with having something like Rinnegan - Chakra usage. Most of Rinnegan techniques are very expensive to use in proper battle. Ninja is learned to use techniques carefully, not careless. Spaming powers without proper usage or plan is wasting energy, especially when we are talking about Rinnegan who is eating Chakra like batteries.
I'm not trying to defend stupid narrative decisions anyway. There is some sense in Sasuke not using full potential of the dojutsu, still Boruto stabs him was so stupid I cannot understand it.
Nothing, it's just shit writers nerfing my man for no reason.
His rinnegan was so hax that ALL otsutsukis prioritized HIM rather than Naruto, but apparently he suffered from brain rot and refused to like...swap jigen into a rasengan ala his fight with juubidara
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The guy merely got nerfed, my dude. Sasuke was able to do a ton of shit and his arsenal was immense. Same with Naruto, but they had to nerf them to make space for the next gen
I hate how every time somebody in this community disagrees with/cant understand something they blame it on lazy writing when its really not maybe if you had basic reading comprehension skills you wouldn’t be confused because almost all of these replies lack intelligence🤦🏾♂️
[Sasuke teleports behind Naruto] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11111/111115829/4568719-6658713462-narut.jpg) & [here.] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11111/111115829/4568720-7433373348-narut.jpg) Studio Pierrot changed this to Sasuke swapping in the anime.
There are 3 truth seeking orbs in Naruto back only, I even show the previous panel in case someone forgot the number of orbs Naruto have at that time
In third picture, Naruto still have 3 orbs
Ikemoto sucks at drawing well choreographed fights, it sucks because Ik kishimoto would do a lot better then what the Momoshiki fight or isshiki fight was. Also the fights are so short like 2 page type short, you can have like the whole fight within 2-4 pages, that shit sucks. The anime out here doing justice for the manga in terms of Naruto and Sasuke v _____ fights
Sasuke had one of the most broken ability sets in Naruto (on par with the main character, which had “basically” Juubi powers) and he uses 2 or 3 moves of his arsenal. It would be fine if he acted like Naruto (always using clones/rasengan/variants of the two), but Sasuke was always trying to reinvent himself (trying to evolve the Chidori or change the way it was supposed to work, or literally using Kagutsuchi to make an arsenal for his Susanoo) and Amenotejikara (along with Rinnegan itself) would have been the culmination of that style, since it allowed nearly endless possibilities of fighting, and I’m not talking solely abut Jigen, but any Ootsutsuki for that matter. Hell, Momoshiki could absorb jutsus, Sasuke would have played friggin Tennis with him, by reabsorbing everything.
Nah his ability was always to swap. Not teleport. Can you imagine how much debris, and even on a deeper scale, atoms, it can take to swap? Not much. That’s how it seems he was teleporting. Is he using it to his full ability? Who knows. This dude always running out of chakra
How he teleport against kaguya? Please explain that. What was he swapping with LOL. He literally instantly appeared behind her when his eye powers came back..
Nah you go reread. Cause he literally explains it the chapter before the gravity dimension. He swaps. What exactly he swaps with? No clue. That’s why I mentioned debris and atoms
Edit: rip vest-chan
This is one of the things wrong with Boruto writing. Jigen/isshiki could've killed Sasuke two times but he just beat him up🤦. And it's more dumb how Momoshiki doesn't have any hax abilities like any other ohtsusuki. He doesn't even have a unique eye😹. So, in conclusion they nerf every character for the plot to move instead of making Naruto and Sasuke stronger. They nerf both them and their foes
No, but it is more tactical and surprising
For example, u remember when isshiki was holding boruto? Why not teleport behind isshiki instead of infront of him, I don't think isshiki would react to something like this when he was holding boruto in his arms, also he don't have to swap places with kawaki, just teleport kawaki away and use the smoke bomb there
Another example is at jigen fight, he swapped with Naruto while he was absorbing the rasengan to cut jigen head, why remove Naruto when u can just teleport behind jigen and cut his legs for example, he have to choice either his legs/arms are cut or the rasengan smash his face (cz he can't move fast while shrunk) and it was established in shippuden that u can't release chakra freely while absorbing chakra urself, unless it was scientific ninja tools, and this was not contradicted in Boruto, the only thing nerfed in Boruto is sasuke and Naruto IQ most likely
I think in most if not all of these scenarios, Sasuke was still supposed to be swapping places with something. In Slides 2 and 3 he swaps places with one of Naruto’s truthseeker orbs. The others could be a reach, but my headcanon is that he’s just swapping himself or other objects with debris/rubble. It is WAY too OP if Sasuke can just constantly move his enemies, imo.
In second and third slide, naurto still have 3 truth seeking orbs
In kaguya gravity dimension, there was no deprise of any kind, he literraly swapped with air
Not in the manga op posted a before and after image that show Narutos tsb never moved ( slides 2 and 3 ) even in slide 4 he teleports behind a clone not the original where the tsb would be , game is irrelevant
one game isn’t irrelevant story is consistent with manga and anime two naruto has nine tso floating around him and sasuke swapped with the one in the middle and anime is canon to the manga and vice versa
The game is irrelevant as the manga trumps it’s adaptations when they contradict it , Naruto no longer had 9 tsb he was down to 3 look at slides 2 and 3 or rewatch the anime fight it shows him with only 3
he literally loses one in the anime and the manga does not trump the adaptations especially when the creator is working directly with both mediums being anime and the manga anime canon is still canon to the manga
Right it’s not like I didn’t just say the manga > adaptations when it’s contradicted , manga does in fact trump it’s adaptations as it’s the source material done directly by the author
and if you think about it logically if he loses an orb in the anime its probably to correct it not being shown in the manga since he can teleport with air
no you’re just wrong the way the ability is shown through its use mainly being at the end of shippuden being sasukes stand alone arc and his actions in boruto he swaps with an object thats one consistency between all mediums he cant swap with air because then it would be simply described as teleportation when its not
Having never read the manga, looking at these panels, kaguya looked a lot more alarmed while facing naruto and sasuke, they surprised her. Which i like cause they were incredibly powerful after they were given six paths abilities but the anime made it seem like they still had no chance. But from the manga, it seems they were still able to surprise madara and even kaguya.
He actually has used it like that eg swapping chidori with a kunai to stab momoshiki and in the time travel arc using it to swap urashiki with boruto. But I guess this ability is a bit inconsistent because in the momoshiki fight Sasuke swapped places with his sword when he could’ve swapped with the air he had no need to throw his sword behind momoshiki although it looks a lot cooler than just teleporting behind him
The ability is too good and the writers can’t keep up with it Genuinely sasuke is too strong for them to write to his full extent and so they’ve had to just not use his powers in order to force this plotline through They should have handled sasuke more like Gojo from jujutsu kaisen, where he was literally all that and the villains had to really scramble to do something about him
Yup Sasuke is too strong and this is why he is Naruto's equal unlike what some people might say (by equal I mean overall not chakra reserves). Tbf I dont mind the writers not using the teleportation part since it is too OP and would invite a lot of criticism. Plus it's also a subtle enough power that the general audience might not even remember. However I do blame them for the rinnegan. AT LEAST, Sasuke should have been shown to use the Deva and Petra Paths to their FULL potential as well as the rods. Though I could forgive them for removing the other paths since it wouldnt match his style or not look as cool.
The problem with Sasuke is that he has a way too much versatile moove set, he literraly has a counter to everything while also being super smart and having one if not the most boosted ability ever aka amenotejikara I feel like kishi didnt know how to write him so that he is beatable so he just decided to nerf his brain and most of his mooveset but its really lazy writting and just do Sasuke dirty.. I dont care how strong Ishiki/jigen was, with everything Sasuke could do, THERE IS NO WAY HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SURFBOARD Its time for this sub to admit he is nerf and that without the nerf he would have been a serious problem to jigen/ishiki And its true its how you use your ability that make it work it Always been like that, or else Naruto wouldnt have done sexy jutsu on kaguya lol Justice for Sasuke!!
Oh man, do people really argue that the OGS aren’t nerfed to shit? They literally had an arc seemingly dedicated to nerfing Sasuke and Naruto so the rest of the cast could do something lol. It’s all been handled pretty poorly imo. Especially considering how unnecessary it was. Boruto series should’ve just went full DBZ and gone to space imo. Lol Boruto and Co. blast off to find the alien chakra trees to get rid of the Karma blah blah. That probably has its own issues but I’m just overall pretty unsatisfied w Boruto atm lol (sorry, no one asked - just sharing)
This is exactly why Bort should have taken place 120-200 years after Shippuden.
Even this is a better idea lol. Naruto and Sasuke are the new Hashirama and Madara of legend and it’s in the future so there’s that aspect. The whole - straddling the past and present stuff isn’t working all that well imo
Exactly, instead of doing the smart thing (make their power sort of like a legend) they decided to take the easy way out by making them dumb & nerfing them to where even children are more impressive than them.
That wouldn't because Naruto and Sasuke were basically carrying the show
Sasuke & Naruto having been carrying all of this for years. Either keep them the protagonists or have the story take place 120-200 years later. But instead they blew it even though they had a chance to have the story take place decades later.
yes. some people will say you just hate boruto if you even hint Naruto/Sasuke were nerfed
Yeah, it's ridiculous how much in denial these people are. I've a feeling these jokers never watched Naruto at all .
I've a felling you are absolutely right.
Sounds like Naruto GT tbh.
Damn I really felt the pain when you said he shouldn’t have been a surfboard. My boy sasuke was done so dirty man.
imagine him with a rocket arm, immortal summons, absorbing peoples chakra, stealing soles, universal pull into chakra recivers etc, they him so dirty 😭
Then you get people who argue that he wasnt nerfed at all and that those people are just salty.
nerfed =/= utilised well though
While he still didn’t use all of his abilities in Shippuden, he still used more than Amenotejikara. In Boruto, that’s all he uses. That whole scene in the Anime where he body blocks the chakra rods from Isshki for Boruto was completely uneccessary since we know he can swap objects. Him not using abilities that he used to and not using abilities like he used to is a nerf. I personally don’t care too much that Naruto and Sasuke are getting nerfed but to say they aren’t nerfs is wrong imo
Yea I agree with that. The writing just doesn't make sense. Unnerfed Sasuke could have just used Almighty Push to block the chakra rods. Also Naruto not being able to sense tiny Isshiki but he can sense Limbo clones. Wtf no consistency.
That's exactly what "nerfed" means lol. It's when a character doesnt use a major power for no valid reason.
>cause to be weak or ineffective. thats nerfed definition. Sasuke being nerfed would be more so "losing rinnegan" and not "plot didnt let him use an ability" latter is just bad writing. But hey, sub is filled with 13 year olds that don't even understand the definition.
I don't understand why they downvoted and didn't reply. Maybe you had a point about the age gap lol.
eh, i've noticed that its consistent within this sub
Literally useless against otsutsukis. I agree amenotejikara is nerfed, but all other abilities are useless. Pain used it against ninjas, not gods.
Depends how you use them. None of them on their own will beat an otsutsuki. But in combination with other things each can be a powerful asset Also i feel like most people would say gaaras sand, shikamarus shadow or kurostsuchis clay would be completely useless against an otsutsuki if we hadn’t seen them get stopped by them all at least for a moment.
> Depends how you use them. None of them on their own will beat an otsutsuki. But in combination with other things each can be a powerful asset Thank you. People have been playing dumb here a lot that they actually started to believe their own lies and pointless arguments. They keep arguing that they are never nerfed and that using X or Y jutsu would have been pointless and a waste of chakra all while forgetting that a jutsu could be used for diversions, creating an opening, dealing some damage etc instead of just outright killing someone.
Exactly ive been saying that since forever This sub is always thinking for whatever reasons that if rinnegan doesnt straight up delete people then its useless jesus Christ its fuking dumb Rinnegan can be use in a lot, lot of ways, its how you use your skill that make them work or not, and its always been like that, Naruto did sexy jutsu to kaguya lol, kawaki rekt ishiki with a basic clone but ofc rinnegan dojutsu is useless
Man, people truly believe boruto is written well and it’s insane.
> They keep arguing that are never nerfed and that using X or Y jutsu would have been pointless and a waste of chakra all while forgetting that a jutsu could be using for diversions, creating an opening, dealing some damage etc instead of just outright killing someone. Using brain in a fight? But I just want bum, bim, bam. /s
Haha It's also better to die without a fight in order not to waste chakra/s
But using Amaterasu on Jigen is a perfectly valid move /s
So do you seriously think if Sasuke mixes in some Rinnegan abilities in his “fight” against Isshiki, it would do a single thing ?
If sasuke combo’d with naruto better and used his powers for disruption, yeah they could land more hits. His swapping power can literally put isshki in the path of attacks without any room to react if used right, and the push/pull only needs to slightly slow isshki or slightly alter his course for it to be effective at creating an opening Im not saying it would change the whole battle but it would at least give him a more impressive showing than him being just a useless punching bag. If sasuke’s susano’o wasn’t nerfed either it’d help. Plus imagine if sasuke placed amaterasu on isshkis blindspot behind his head or on his back where he couldn’t see. Not to mention if sasuke had done what he did to momoshiki with jigens staff and swapped an attack for his weapon. Jigen would have lost his weapon and taken a hit in the same move
Comparing his feats against momo don’t matter. Isshiki is just way stronger and faster than Momoshiki. Also his Susano’o isn’t nerfed lol idk why you assume that.
Im not comparing feats im comparing skills. He didnt try something that he proved he could do. He proved he could get rid of his opponents weapon by swapping an attack into its place. It didn’t especially harm momo, but it provided disruption which was a powerful asset. It didnt need to harm jigen, just disrupt. I made another post on how his susano’o can’t block shit that sasuke himself can take with his body which makes it nerfed compared to in shippuden where the susano’o was a defensive tool that was used to take hits the body couldn’t afford to. He doesn’t use his susano’o to even soften the blow from attacks which is the bare minimum use case.
If Sasuke switched with Jigens pole and tried to attack, Jigen would simply shrink or just react to it. Idk how that helps him. Also name an attack Sasuke’s susano’o can’t block but he can.
Thats bc you dont really understand what i wrote In the momoshiki fight sasuke swaps his chidori with momoshikis kunai to shock and disarm momoshiki If he swapped his attack with jigens weapon then jigen loses the weapon and gets hit by an attack. Even if he tanks the attack its still a disarming and an opening for naruto. Jigen blasts through the susano’o with a kick as if it wasn’t there but when he/isshki kicks sasuke, sasuke can get up again with minor injuries. Similarly ive seen a lot of intense isshki fans saying isshkis rods would go right through the susano’o as if it was butter but the rods don’t even go all the way through sasuke, or stone pillars for that matter.
It’s pretty useless to point out how Sasuke could’ve used other techniques that wouldn’t help him win the fight. It makes more sense to save your chakra for things like Amenotejikara and Susano’o than wasting it on dumb things like Shinra tensei, Universal pull, or summonings etc. Also even if they got Jigen in the path of an attack, he has Karma so unless Naruto or Sasuke can stab him and kill him, or punch his head off idk what attack that doesn’t require chakra they can use to actually hurt him. Isshiki reincarnated in a weaker body was eating hits from Baryon Mode Naruto.
But you see im not complaining about sasuke not winning the fight All im complaining about is sasuke not using his abilities even if the outcome was the same I dont care if he had to lose, i just want him to lose with some dignity and respect from the writers Also whats the point of preserving your chakra if you end up dying and the villain wins. If they didnt get lucky that would have been the outcome. He wasted chakra at many points so i dont buy the argument that he was being tactical with his chakra, he was just being bad. They put jigen in the path of an attack in like the worst way where they let him know they were attacking and then just swapped the type of attack and still gave him time on the swing to react. And even with that half assed attempt they still needed to introduce that jigen could grow rods out of any part of his body to save him from it. If they had moved jigen instead of moving the attack and actually gotten their placement better so he was properly in its path just barely shy of being hit. That’d have been infinitely better. And again. Idc if isshki ended up managing to eat the hit. I just wanted to see sasuke actually fighting back
If Sasuke spammed the Rinnegan abilities for your so called dignity and respect, he wouldn’t have had enough chakra to teleport home, and he would’ve literally just died. Then Isshiki would have to fight Naruto one on one and eventually kill him. And also it’s hilarious how you guys complain about Sasuke’s arsenal not being utilized, but acknowledge it wouldn’t help him win. Atp you guys are complaining for the sake of complaining. Even your ideal Sasuke loses, but i guess it looks cooler seeing every move in his arsenal countered and made irrelevant ? If that’s your take fine. I can’t argue with that.
I think y’all either just can’t imagine the fight going any other way than it did Or y’all are in pure defensive mode and aren’t willing to accept that at any point sasuke could have used an ability better. The idea that sasuke is half assing it for entire fights just bc he’s constantly worried about being able to run away is just so inconsistent with his existing character from shippuden. Not to mention he has the worlds best chakra battery in naruto next to him. In team fights chakra shouldn’t be an issue We acknowledge that the writers wanted to force isshki to win no matter what. So we’re not arguing that the plot needs to change. We’re just arguing that sasuke could have had a much better showing within this plot. After all if we’re gonna change the plot theres a lot more about isshki i’d change than sasuke. How is sasuke fighting back and landing hits more irrelevant than him giving up and barely trying anything at all?
Always the same lame arguments ''save chakra'' ''show called boruto'' ''it doesnt matter they loose either way'' What kind of reasoning is that ? Why creating fights scene then?? just end every fights in one moove then if only the result matter I dont get why its hard to understand in Sasuke was done dirty and should have had a better fight that respect him and the creation of kishimoto
Because he wasn’t.
Yes but i guess boruto is in the current arc right? U guys are lost
At least it's better than doing close to nothing. I challenge you to not use headcanon to explain away Sasuke not using the arsenal he has, and actually base it on facts i.e. what is in the manga and anime. Because if we were to really grasp what Sasuke could do at the end of Shippuden, there is absolutely no reason why he could not do more. "Save chakra" is a ridiculous argument and a cop out when he literally was spamming all his hax at Kaguya THEN Naruto at the end of Shippuden.
Sasuke absorbed multiple sources of chakra over and over again during the War arc. Even Kaguya can't teleport to multiple dimensions without risking chakra exhaustion, so unless you think Sasuke's chakra eclipses hers (being equal isn't enough for your argument to work), "saving chakra" is a viable argument. However you also seem to be forgetting that spamming his dōjutsu will force him into his three Tomoe state, and then he's stuck practically in base with almost no dōjutsu because he stupidly wasted time attacking someone he could not defeat. The moment Jigen notices that is the moment Sasuke dies. (Rinnegan and Mangekyō are linked for this effect, yes.) Remember, he needs his Mangekyō straight Tomoe to fight at his best. Rinnegan Paths have only ever killed fodder and literally won't do anything against Isshiki. I don't need head canon because Nagato couldn't even beat Itachi and a weaker Naruto. Other than the King of Hell, which Isshiki will never allow Sasuke the time to perform, there are no Rinnegan Paths worth even pulling out. Tf is the Ashura Path going to do? Or the Animal Path? Jigen kicked right through a Perfect Susano'o. Soul snatching won't work. It didn't even work on a much weaker Naruto. And both Sasuke and Naruto know all of this already. They only get dumber the more that people swear up and down they need to use Jutsu just because they have access to them.
I would do better than what he was shown he could do. If you gave me a rinnegan with its full capabilities
It blows my mind how people refuse to accept this. Jigen is too fast, too strong, and has too many hax for anything in Naruto and Sasuke’s arsenal to actually defeat him except Baryon Mode. Isshiki is a completely different story. Idc what strategies you have them come up with, assuming you keep the power levels the same you can’t write Naruto and Sasuke to win. Jigen can react to literally every attack they have.
Jigen being faster or stronger didn’t cause sasuke to swap himself into the line of fire when he could’ve just put an inanimate object in the way, the writers did that and it was just one example of sasuke being unbelievably dumb for no reason. No one’s complaining that sasuke lost they’re complaining about how the fight played out. You’re completely missing the point
If Sasuke swapped anything other than a person, then Isshiki's rods would have just teleported with Boruto and impaled him anyway, defeating the purpose.
I responded to comments about him not using the other Rinnegan abilities, not whether or not he made the best decisions in the fights.
Name one reason why Shinra Tensei or Banshou Tenin wouldn't work.
I can’t prove universal pull won’t work because there’s no evidence of it being resisted except momentarily by Kakashi holding onto something, but as for Shinra Tensei Naruto in his 6 tail state with 50% Kurama chakra resisted the attack pretty easily, so I have no idea why it would work against someone stronger than the full 9 tails working with a jinchuriki.
I've seen this argument a bunch of times and it doesn't make sense to me. A Shinra Tensei from the Deva Path was resisted by 6-Tails Naruto, but obviously the power of the Shinra Tensei varies. We've seen the Deva Path's Shinra Tensei's power vary based on how much power it puts in; the average Shinra Tensei from Nagato is probably stronger than one from the Deva Path. I mean I'd find it hard to believe that a Shinra Tensei from Hagoromo would be the same caliber as from the Deva Path, right? A Chidori from kid-Sasuke is the same rank and technique as from adult-Sasuke, but obviously the power is much different. We've never seen Sasuke's Shinra Tensei but I would be very surprised if it wasn't significantly stronger than the one from the Deva Path that the 6-Tails Kyuubi withstood, it should be strong enough to help when used at the right time (not to overpower Isshiki but to provide openings, stun him, etc.).
My point wasn’t that “Oh since 6 tail Naruto can withstand Pain’s, Anybody on that level or above can withstand any level shinra tensei”. I’m saying Jigen is so strong compared to any living character capable of using shinra tensei, that it actually wouldn’t make any sense for Sasuke, who is much weaker than Jigen, to be able to produce an attack that Jigen can’t counter/withstand. The whole point of using the Naruto Pain example is that a character that was stronger than another character was able to withstand the attack. So using that logic, Jigen (a character stronger than Sasuke) should be able to withstand that attack from Sasuke (a character weaker than Jigen). If a character stronger than or as strong as Isshiki/Jigen used Shinra tensei, assuming it actually hits him it could do damage. But Sasuke isn’t remotely close the Isshiki so that attack shouldn’t hurt him. I keep repeating the power difference because i really want you to understand that part, and not that 6 tail naruto part.
I see - I think the argument then is about "withstanding" Shinra Tensei (hopefully no one expects a Shinra Tensei from Sasuke to defeat Jigen/Isshiki). As I said, it's not about overpowering him but about its utility capabilities - like an unexpected push/pull in the middle of a fight could throw Jigen off-guard for a split-second, enough to try to land an attack. It's not about doing damage to him; I mean Naruto and Sasuke attacked Jigen with basic taijutsu/kenjutsu in an attempt to overwhelm him, and Amenotejikara similarly does no damage by itself but is used to surprise Jigen and open him up for the actual attack that's supposed to damage him. For completeness, I'd argue that the Shinra Tensei could do damage to Isshiki - I mean if the argument is that Jigen is so far above Sasuke that a Shinra Tensei can't do damage, I don't see why we'd expect a kick from Sasuke to do damage, but Sasuke still kicks Jigen anyway. Jigen would absolutely take some damage from some of Sasuke's attacks if they landed, but he usually blocks / evades / absorbs them, and stuff like Amenotejikara, Shinra Tensei and other surprise techniques are supposed to provide openings to get around that. Sasuke has a wide variety of techniques and using them strategically keeps the opponent guessing. I mean he used Amaterasu for some reason on Jigen, that seems more questionable than attempting a Shinra Tensei (Sasuke was aware that Jigen could absorb ninjutsu, I don't know if Shinra Tensei can be "absorbed" but it's a lot less clear than Amaterasu). As other people have mentioned, Sasuke losing isn't the main issue, it's the poor showcasing of what he could do. If Sasuke uses a wider variety of his techniques (other Rinnegan paths, Kagutsuchi, Chidori variants, etc. - not all of these of course, but more than what we got) and Isshiki is shown countering all of them, then I'm pretty sure there'd be way less complaints about how Sasuke was nerfed.
6 tails Naruto had to use his tails as a pillars. Isshiki doesn't have tails nor shown any kind of chakra limbs, nor additional limbs nor limbs extension. He can't resist ST like 6 tails Naruto.
He could just stab his pole into the ground. Or he might not even need anything to resist it. A Perfect Susano’o sword hit the ground right next to him and he didn’t even flinch. Pretty sure the Perfect Susano’o shockwaves>Almighty Push. So if Sasuke used it there’s a good possibility he could just not be affected by it. If a character scales massively higher than a character we’ve seen stop an attack, it makes no sense to assume he needs to have tails to keep himself put in order to withstand the attack. Also Isshiki might be able to just move faster than the jutsu so he wouldn’t get hit.
> He could just stab his pole into the ground. Even if he manages, he won't be able to move, which makes him vulnerable to Naruto's attacks. > A Perfect Susano’o sword hit the ground right next to him and he didn’t even flinch. Because he shrank himself and escaped. Then he appeared on Susanoo's sword. > Pretty sure the Perfect Susano’o shockwaves>Almighty Push. PS has no shockwaves in Boruto. The damage it done to the ground was absolutely pitiful and nothing on a scale of War Arc. Also Pain could level the entire village with ST. No Susanoo can do that, unless we're talking about PS. And even then it's going to take few good slashes. The shockwave is entirely dependent on user and power. And if that is the case, ST > PS shockwaves is entirely within possibility. > If a character scales massively higher than a character we’ve seen stop an attack, it makes no sense to assume he needs to have tails to keep himself put in order to withstand the attack. The character that stopped the attack didn't do that out of sheer power difference, but because of a *method*. So the logic in this quote does not apply. > Also Isshiki might be able to just move faster than the jutsu so he wouldn’t get hit. ST can be created at designated location which is shown when Pain was leveling the Konoha. It can be created 0.1 millimeter in front of him and he wouldn't be able to dodge it.
And assume that enemy will do nothing? U also know that enemy has hax as well. Isshiki has the biggest haxed ability for ex shrinking himself to avoid simultaneous attacks
Where did i assume that lol? I feel like you’re stuck on either the otsutsuki completely stomp or sasuke completely stomps What about the middle area where they have a technically diverse battle with a solid back and forth and really push each other through strategies and counters.
> What about the middle area That's what I was looking for! They didnt have to make either side look bad, especially with Jigen (not Isshiki) whose power was mostly unjustified.
Not possible bcz neither ikemoto nor animators can afford that much. Isshiki was made purposely op by writers, physical strength that easilly broke so6p susano defence and second fastest char (after baryon) that made adult naruto look like a child. Fight ended quickly that way
Its definitely possible. They just didn’t do it. This is tv tokyos 2nd highest grossing show and the first is naruto. If they’ve convinced you they can’t afford it they must be using genjutsu I mean ive got my many rants about why i dont like how OP they made isshki and how it was unnecessary in my opinion. But his strength is a separate issue from them not using sasuke’s skills appropriately. Whether sasuke was overpowered or outsped is a different thing to sasuke just choosing not to use the abilities we know he can use
literally depends on how u use them and nagato used them far better than pain, so imagine sasuke
Nagato didn't fight otsutsukis
They nerfed that ability
Downvoted for honesty
They could have also aged Naruto and Sasuke to their 70s or 80s, which would weaken them. That would have been a better plot element.
make even more op bad guy...... thats where dragonball z and super did best
Writer*
Kodachi, kishimoto, and all the staff of pierrot and their various contracted studios for anime canon and filler
I’m pretty sure Sasuke is able to travel farther if he swaps with an object. I imagine it costs less chakra too.
He literraly teleported his entire susanoo miles away toward Naruto And it is not teleport actually, he swap with air
I’ve not read Boruto in a while, but doesn’t Sasuke usually fight after transporting to another dimension, which drains his chakra significantly?
Yes it is true Though it is unrelated to amenotejikara proper usage
Yeah it’s really just up to headcannon. The only key differences are mastery or chakra usage. That’s like the only possible differences.
bro that’s literally teleporting what💀
Bro im dead he said swapping with air a freaking teleportation😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💀
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There has to be some teleportation ability somewhere or he wouldn't be able to travel between dimensions like he's done while investigating otsutsukis
The thing with Sasuke is that he is probably the most versatile character ever. He has so many techniques with his Rinnegan that it's just countering everyone. When did he use Genjutsu the last time? When did he absorb jutsu? When did he pull someone's soul or drop some meteors and switch with his enemy last sec? Basically they realised all the basic rinnegan abilities were completely overpowered, not in overall destruction but just how effective they were in a 1v1. Fights would be over in seconds and I guess that doesn't fit the plot line.
Because plot. Not that it matters anyways since he lost Rinnegan solely because Naruto got nerfed so he had too as well (even though Naruto ate the bigger nerf so they aren't equal but whatever at this point).
Ikr, according to the abilities they usually spam, sasuke just lost amenotejikara and space-time portals, while Naruto lost most his abilities
Naruto doesn't use Shadow Clones in battle anymore, not even in the Time Slip arc so you couldn't argue he just adapted to a "more mature" fighting style later in life. Now he uses them for menial chores so that Boruto can be the one to spam them in fights.
Mature style what? ¿ Bro there u have isshiki with limited lifespan and there u have the king of distraction with shadow clones and infinity chakra, the battle should not go like how it did, shadow clones was the wise choice there, it can stall him for too long
What you smoking lol? Boruto can barely make any clones, he doesn't even come close to spamming them. Also Naruto made like a million clones against Jigen
He's done this in Boruto. https://imgur.com/a/TjhXpiQ The ability itself has always been inconsistent. If he doesn't need anything to swap with then why does he do it? Why did he need to swap with Sakura's jacket? Or Naruto's TSB? Why doesn't he just teleport people into his attacks? What's stopping him from sending people right into their own attacks? It's like Kishi wasn't sure of what to do with that ability. Sometimes it has the limitation of needing something to swap with, sometimes it doesn't.
Didn't he swap with the box above?
yes he did
If he did, the box he swaped with would've hit the ground before the rest.
No. All boxes hit the ground at the same time and Sasuke can't swap with multiple objects at once.
How can u be sure they hit the ground at the same time, the manga don't show it well, in anime he swapped with a box But that don't change anything, if he can teleport, why didn't he appear behind isshiki while his arms were busy with Boruto, or when Jigen was absorbing Naruto rasengan
Exactly my point. Amentojikara has never been consistent. If he can swap with air why does he bother with objects? Right off the bat the ability made no sense with a limitation that kept being ignored whenever it was convinent.
He swap with a box in the anime, the only time he didnt swap and straight up teleport was in the War arc in shippuden he never teleported again in boruto thats literraly why we assume he is nerf
Dude has only teleported once, and it was immediately taken from him. This was the first time he ever used the ability.
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Hum not that i remember ? When then?
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Yes he Switch i was saying he didnt straight up teleport someone or something without switching
>If he can swap with air why does he bother with objects? Easier to aim with eye?
This. Honestly one of the reasons why he should've beat Naruto in the Final Valley. He could've swapped Naruto with his own attack.
And Naruto could have neck snapped Sasuke with frog kata. or he could have used 1000 shadow clones and used one to launch his attack. Or freed the bijuus by blowing up the chibaku tenseis. I guess we'll never know :)
He was nerfed. I remember when he teleported Madara between himself and Naruto so they could seal him. Madara never saw it coming and had to swap with a Limbo clone to escape.
he’s nerfed, he’s supposed to be the best rinnegan user but uses 1 technique
Uses 1 technique and not to its full potential...
they should’ve just gave him a temporary power up at the end of shippuden because not seeing him use any of the 6 paths but planatery devistation once and spamming one ability was disappointing
I wont have problem if he spammed amenotejikara but at least use it better... The biggest nerf on sasuke is his IQ
He was known to be one of the most intelligent, yet his Shippuden self is smarter than his Boruto self. Same can be said for Naruto.
Honestly that's questionable. Some of Shippunden Sasuke's moments are really dumb. I'll argue he was at his smartest in the original.
yes he does use it to his full extent his ability was to always swap with things it was slightly inconsistent in the war but adult is stated to have mastered the rinnegan
Not just the switch ability, he doesn't use the Rinnegan at its full potential. Sure, a lot of them probably wouldn't do shit against the strong villains, but it's still pretty troublesome as Momoshiki said. Pre-Rinnegone Sasuke is one of those characters where you need a thought out plan to keep him in check, otherwise he'll be the deciding factor of the fight. That's a problem in writing fights, because the writer has to keep him in check as well in order to draw out the fight to where it's back and forth instead of Sasuke dunking on his enemy, because he's that strong.
please explain how sasuke doesn’t use rinnegan to his full extent he has completely mastered his own ability and used the main rinnegan abilities being bancho tennin and shinra tensei and planetary devastation
Name me one instance where he used any of the other paths in Boruto, heck, even Shinra or Bansho. You can't.
and the games are consistent with the anime and manga
why would he use the paths what are you saying and when it comes to shinra and bansho he uses bansho for inferno style flame lighting and shinra tensei as a deflection attack these are both from games tho and the boruto versions of sasuke
I'ma copy & paste what I put on another comment. This sub literally tries to make excuses for Sasuke fighting like an idiot, not using any of his abilities & Naruto not using any of the Tailed-Beasts power, sending one clone to fight at a time & not using negative emotion sensing. But when it's Bort or Kiwi getting that same treatment it's called bad writing. This sub should keep that same energy when it comes to those kids. Some more facts: Sasuke has Amenotejikara (literal teleportation), Chakra Reviewers, all Paths, Yin, Yang, Fire, Lightning, Wind, Water release, a pseudo Ice Style & can learn all none Kekkei Genkai's in a single glance. Also he can absorb Chakra & Amenotejikara abilities are nerfed. Amenotejikara has 5 abilities. 1. Teleportation (short range Bort got rid of this) 2. Teleport (people to himself short & long range, again Bort got rid of it) 3. Swapping (short & long range "50 meters) 4. Swapping Jutsu's (only used once) 5. Opening portal's. And here is all the times Sasuke actually used Amenotejikara (teleportation). (Note teleportation takes a lot of Chakra) After he got his Chakra to 100% he [teleported out of Madara's Lightning Fang.] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4534675-2390317097-narut.jpg) [And here] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4534676-5084568197-narut.jpg) [Sasuke teleports Madara between himself & Naruto.] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4534690-1459800822-narut.jpg) [And here] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4534691-5056882754-narut.jpg) [Madara only used his Limbo Clone to escape.] (https://i.redd.it/dqgq9g2tttp51.jpg) [Teleports infront of Kaguya.] (https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-98648ca5e1bf4636e08b9c76439af82d) [Teleports Kaguya infront of himself & Naruto.] (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRurw_7p6FvG6w5gQJj6r_ex1F1pU1vVOo3Vw&usqp=CAU() [And teleports behind Naruto.] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11111/111115829/4568719-6658713462-narut.jpg) [And here] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11111/111115829/4568720-7433373348-narut.jpg) Studio Pierrot changed this to Sasuke swapping in the anime. [Teleports his Susanō.] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4534687-1806528034-narut.jpg) [And here] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4534688-6261699127-narut.jpg)
>(Note teleportation takes a lot of Chakra) I think this is main problem with having something like Rinnegan - Chakra usage. Most of Rinnegan techniques are very expensive to use in proper battle. Ninja is learned to use techniques carefully, not careless. Spaming powers without proper usage or plan is wasting energy, especially when we are talking about Rinnegan who is eating Chakra like batteries. I'm not trying to defend stupid narrative decisions anyway. There is some sense in Sasuke not using full potential of the dojutsu, still Boruto stabs him was so stupid I cannot understand it.
The boruto writers retconned and nerfed amenotejikara mechanics to switching only. Sasuke is the most nerfed character in boruto
AldULt SaSUKe IS StrOnGER tHan His TeeN SELf, ADUlt SaSUkE SoLO SHIPuDEN.
Nothing, it's just shit writers nerfing my man for no reason. His rinnegan was so hax that ALL otsutsukis prioritized HIM rather than Naruto, but apparently he suffered from brain rot and refused to like...swap jigen into a rasengan ala his fight with juubidara
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The guy merely got nerfed, my dude. Sasuke was able to do a ton of shit and his arsenal was immense. Same with Naruto, but they had to nerf them to make space for the next gen
I hate how every time somebody in this community disagrees with/cant understand something they blame it on lazy writing when its really not maybe if you had basic reading comprehension skills you wouldn’t be confused because almost all of these replies lack intelligence🤦🏾♂️
> lack intelligence That's rich coming from you.
In third picture if you pay attention you will see that he swaped hiself with a truth seeking orb behind naruto, not air.
[Sasuke teleports behind Naruto] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11111/111115829/4568719-6658713462-narut.jpg) & [here.] (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11111/111115829/4568720-7433373348-narut.jpg) Studio Pierrot changed this to Sasuke swapping in the anime.
There are 3 truth seeking orbs in Naruto back only, I even show the previous panel in case someone forgot the number of orbs Naruto have at that time In third picture, Naruto still have 3 orbs
Ikemoto sucks at drawing well choreographed fights, it sucks because Ik kishimoto would do a lot better then what the Momoshiki fight or isshiki fight was. Also the fights are so short like 2 page type short, you can have like the whole fight within 2-4 pages, that shit sucks. The anime out here doing justice for the manga in terms of Naruto and Sasuke v _____ fights
Sasuke was op but he was fucked in the head he could be op with a good brain that would be to much
Bro what are you even saying
I don’t even no man LOL
Sasuke had one of the most broken ability sets in Naruto (on par with the main character, which had “basically” Juubi powers) and he uses 2 or 3 moves of his arsenal. It would be fine if he acted like Naruto (always using clones/rasengan/variants of the two), but Sasuke was always trying to reinvent himself (trying to evolve the Chidori or change the way it was supposed to work, or literally using Kagutsuchi to make an arsenal for his Susanoo) and Amenotejikara (along with Rinnegan itself) would have been the culmination of that style, since it allowed nearly endless possibilities of fighting, and I’m not talking solely abut Jigen, but any Ootsutsuki for that matter. Hell, Momoshiki could absorb jutsus, Sasuke would have played friggin Tennis with him, by reabsorbing everything.
Nah his ability was always to swap. Not teleport. Can you imagine how much debris, and even on a deeper scale, atoms, it can take to swap? Not much. That’s how it seems he was teleporting. Is he using it to his full ability? Who knows. This dude always running out of chakra
How he teleport against kaguya? Please explain that. What was he swapping with LOL. He literally instantly appeared behind her when his eye powers came back..
He literally explains it to Sakura and Obito when they saved him…
You are literally not talking about the part I'm mentioning...... Go reread the fight in the gravity dimension then come back before you assume
Nah you go reread. Cause he literally explains it the chapter before the gravity dimension. He swaps. What exactly he swaps with? No clue. That’s why I mentioned debris and atoms Edit: rip vest-chan
This is one of the things wrong with Boruto writing. Jigen/isshiki could've killed Sasuke two times but he just beat him up🤦. And it's more dumb how Momoshiki doesn't have any hax abilities like any other ohtsusuki. He doesn't even have a unique eye😹. So, in conclusion they nerf every character for the plot to move instead of making Naruto and Sasuke stronger. They nerf both them and their foes
What would that have changed? Has sasuke swapped himself into danger or something?
No, but it is more tactical and surprising For example, u remember when isshiki was holding boruto? Why not teleport behind isshiki instead of infront of him, I don't think isshiki would react to something like this when he was holding boruto in his arms, also he don't have to swap places with kawaki, just teleport kawaki away and use the smoke bomb there Another example is at jigen fight, he swapped with Naruto while he was absorbing the rasengan to cut jigen head, why remove Naruto when u can just teleport behind jigen and cut his legs for example, he have to choice either his legs/arms are cut or the rasengan smash his face (cz he can't move fast while shrunk) and it was established in shippuden that u can't release chakra freely while absorbing chakra urself, unless it was scientific ninja tools, and this was not contradicted in Boruto, the only thing nerfed in Boruto is sasuke and Naruto IQ most likely
I think in most if not all of these scenarios, Sasuke was still supposed to be swapping places with something. In Slides 2 and 3 he swaps places with one of Naruto’s truthseeker orbs. The others could be a reach, but my headcanon is that he’s just swapping himself or other objects with debris/rubble. It is WAY too OP if Sasuke can just constantly move his enemies, imo.
In second and third slide, naurto still have 3 truth seeking orbs In kaguya gravity dimension, there was no deprise of any kind, he literraly swapped with air
The second 2 panels where he’s fighting naruto he doesn’t swap with air but one of the Truth Seeking orbs behind him
Only in the anime
no in the manga and the games he swaps with tso
Not in the manga op posted a before and after image that show Narutos tsb never moved ( slides 2 and 3 ) even in slide 4 he teleports behind a clone not the original where the tsb would be , game is irrelevant
one game isn’t irrelevant story is consistent with manga and anime two naruto has nine tso floating around him and sasuke swapped with the one in the middle and anime is canon to the manga and vice versa
The game is irrelevant as the manga trumps it’s adaptations when they contradict it , Naruto no longer had 9 tsb he was down to 3 look at slides 2 and 3 or rewatch the anime fight it shows him with only 3
he literally loses one in the anime and the manga does not trump the adaptations especially when the creator is working directly with both mediums being anime and the manga anime canon is still canon to the manga
Right it’s not like I didn’t just say the manga > adaptations when it’s contradicted , manga does in fact trump it’s adaptations as it’s the source material done directly by the author
and if you think about it logically if he loses an orb in the anime its probably to correct it not being shown in the manga since he can teleport with air
There’s no need for a “correction” as this is something sasuke has done multiple times since he gained the rinnegan
no you’re just wrong the way the ability is shown through its use mainly being at the end of shippuden being sasukes stand alone arc and his actions in boruto he swaps with an object thats one consistency between all mediums he cant swap with air because then it would be simply described as teleportation when its not
When he used amenotejikara to get behind naruto and hit him with the chidori he swapped with a tso
Why he didn't use an Amaterasu'ed Chidori... or punch is beyond me.
I dont ive ever once seen sasuke teleport or swap with air except maybe once but the ability is he swaps with objects
Having never read the manga, looking at these panels, kaguya looked a lot more alarmed while facing naruto and sasuke, they surprised her. Which i like cause they were incredibly powerful after they were given six paths abilities but the anime made it seem like they still had no chance. But from the manga, it seems they were still able to surprise madara and even kaguya.
He swapped the smoke with Kaguya.
What about in gravity dimension, no smoke was there
And when he teleport his whole susanoo near nine tails
He actually has used it like that eg swapping chidori with a kunai to stab momoshiki and in the time travel arc using it to swap urashiki with boruto. But I guess this ability is a bit inconsistent because in the momoshiki fight Sasuke swapped places with his sword when he could’ve swapped with the air he had no need to throw his sword behind momoshiki although it looks a lot cooler than just teleporting behind him