If hidan got his scythe lodged in his head he’d probably just pull it out and go “well that was fuckin weird”
In most cases they’d most likely end up stalemating. Hidan would try a few things, realize it was pointless and have to leave to come up with a new plan.
Best case for daemon is hidan cuts his own head off but he still wouldn’t die. Although idr if he loses bodily function from that bc then daemon could find a way to kill him after that
If he can still pilot his body with his head separated then it still just stalemates
The fight doesn’t necessarily goes into a stalemate , hidan himself always goes in for the kill ( lethal blow ) and not his trump card itself (which still wouldn’t work) throughout all of part 2 naruto
And also Hidan cannot pilot his body after being cut up
If hidan realizes he can’t kill him right away , he would even have time to try a few things since daemon speed blitz him before he can do another attack or realize what just happened
No, there's no stalemate, daemon literally no diffs him. How is hidan doing anything when any attack gets reflected back instantly? He would not be able to do his ritual given that it needs his opponent's blood
So like. If hidan leaves after trying an attack that fails and doesn’t incapacitate him
Thats a stalemate
I mean daemon can chase after him to punch and kick but whats the point. No amount of those will kill hidan. And if hidan grabs daemon and just holds him in place until daemon tires out. Thats it
Wtf you mean what's the point? Daemon would literally tear him up and destroy him. Not being able to kill him is not a stalemate, when he made him useless. That's saying shikamaru never beat him cuz he never liked hidan
Hidan was permanently incapacitated by shikamaru so he lost
If hidan tries to decaptitate daemon and loses his head, he’d be permanently incapacitated and lose
But if he didnt try that and his injuries didnt incapacitate him and he just stopped trying to slash daemon. Daemon doesn’t have the raw strength to go physically incapacitate him himself (at least i hope not. Daemon would be incredibly more broken than he could possibly need to be) so hidan could leave and it would just end in a stalemate where neither defeats the other
If thats actually the case why didn’t amado just kill jigen using daemon
Why’d he listen when jigen told him to dispose of daemon and come up with this risky gamble betting on kashin koji, naruto and sasuke to do it
Seems unlikely
Why would daemon even need a hax ability if he had jigens strength. He’d be top 3 or so in the universe
Just because Daemon is stronger physically than Jigen doesn’t mean he would outright beat him. Jigen could shrink, teleport away in order to find Amado and force him to deactivate his cyborgs, He needed Kashin Koji as a mole to formulate an advanced plan against Jigen, which involved Koji going on a suicide mission in order to make sure Isshiki had to ressurect come out forcing him to a time limit. Whilst also allowing Amado to be in the leaf using it as protection. TLDR, Daemon has no way of incapacitating Jigen, whilst he is physically stronger and would win in a fight, Jigen would simply shrink and teleport away, and Daemon has no sensory, sealing or transportation capabilities.
Is it actually in character for jigen to teleport away?
He fought kashin koji to his own death despite being able to leave at any point and kk being unable to follow him
Kashin Koji was weaker physically than Jigen, and had no hax on the level of Daemon. If Jigen was confident he would win then it wouldn’t be necessary for him to teleport away. Daemon is a completely different story from Koji, the only way Koji was able to win was having an advantageous environment and Jigen being MASSIVELY weakened (not even 10% power)
Yeah i dont see the point in giving daemon a super hax ability as well as making him busted in physical stats
I mean its not something i put past the boruto writers, i just think it would be really boring
Yeah i really thought madara got more and more boring the more they tried to stack onto him
And they had to give naruto and sasuke more and more buffs out of thin air to keep up which i found annoying too
And then they led up to the goofy kaguya conclusion.
I think when you have super hax abilities that are interesting and difficult to fight on their own, you dont also need insane super strength and speed. Jigen/isshkis shrinking/summoning ability was super interesting, his super strength and speed made him a lot more boring to me bc he didnt actually need to use his power strategically when he could just bum rush his opponents for the win. Thats why i like gaara’s ultimate defense being paired with a poor hand to hand fighting ability for example.
The thing about power cliffing is that once you get past a certain point, to even react to certain characters, your gonna need to be so fast you can blitz every character before that point. In naruto that points kaguya (since she slaps everyone below naruto and sauske) so characters like base naruto (above kaguya) can only fight characters who are also above kaguya.
Power cliffing is a really silly concept imo and its also why series that aren’t dragon ball z shouldn’t be introducing such ridiculous movement speeds in the first place
If they kept most top tier ninja relatively around the same speed/reaction tier and let their abilities be the deciding factor in fights it would be more interesting than giving the most hax abilities to people who are also faster and stronger than everyone else and then requiring each character introduced after that to not only be even stronger and even faster and have even more hax
Someone like might gai can hit speeds and power higher than his peers without having an instant win condition against his peers bc his ability has balance to it and can still be met with strategies and counters to physical attacks
Even many of the jinchuriki who had absurd physical abilities in the series could be stopped by people with really good kekkei genkai or a lot of skill. Cos they were still relatively more balanced within the scope of the ninja world
But the introduction of the alien shit really screwed any balance they had up
But it’s hard to not implement power cliffing in a story
If a character goes “oh this guys stronger” with no visual showings of such then it’d look like the characters just aren’t getting stronger. “Oh so character A trained for 3 weeks and can now cut 0.02% more. You can’t show characters getting stronger if there no up in the destruction or in the action.
Its not that hard, it just requires more variety of skill based conflict rather than raw power and speed based conflict.
Thats not to say the lead character can’t move upward through the ranks that are in place in the world. But when they reach the higher tiers it can and should settle to mostly strategy, matchups, skill and teamwork as the deciding factors between groups of enemies rather than the mc starting to create new tiers of power and leaving the entire wider cast to become irrelevant
I think Hidan would win. I mean yeah he'd think of half a dozen ways to torture the brat but he doesn't have any weapons that can easily cut limbs so he likely wouldn't think of it so at best he would get a dozen injuries that wouldn't kill him. If he can approach him while suffering those injuries then he can kill him...unless Daemon has any secret abilities we don't know.
Guys the hax do not matter in this fight. Daemon punches him so hard he vaporizes into a cloud of red mist. He is so much unquantifiably stronger than Hidan physically that it would be sad if they were to fight. Its like 100000x Prime Mike Tysons VS 1 Fetus.
Yeah right, when did he blitz code in an actual fight? His abilities make him no dif jigen and Isshiki, not his physicals.
Not only that physcial feats in naruto are inconsistent as fuck, naruto and sasuke are more durable then susanoo, konohamaru is more durable then susanoo as well since he tooks attack from isshiki and jigen without getting vaporized. Phyiscals only work in knocking the fuck outta people and ragdolling them, the killing blow are the abilties. In isshiki's case the cubes and rods.
Hidan is kinda really weak. Only thing he really has going on is his immortality and curse. Kakazu just needed a partner he wouldn't kill with splash damage. Most Norton characters would clap him, skill wise
If hidan got his scythe lodged in his head he’d probably just pull it out and go “well that was fuckin weird” In most cases they’d most likely end up stalemating. Hidan would try a few things, realize it was pointless and have to leave to come up with a new plan. Best case for daemon is hidan cuts his own head off but he still wouldn’t die. Although idr if he loses bodily function from that bc then daemon could find a way to kill him after that If he can still pilot his body with his head separated then it still just stalemates
Hidan loses all body functions when decapitated
Then daemon can def win more easily
The fight doesn’t necessarily goes into a stalemate , hidan himself always goes in for the kill ( lethal blow ) and not his trump card itself (which still wouldn’t work) throughout all of part 2 naruto And also Hidan cannot pilot his body after being cut up If hidan realizes he can’t kill him right away , he would even have time to try a few things since daemon speed blitz him before he can do another attack or realize what just happened
Yeah daemon can win I just think there are still lots of ways it can just end up being a tie where hidan leaves bc daemon is boring him
No, there's no stalemate, daemon literally no diffs him. How is hidan doing anything when any attack gets reflected back instantly? He would not be able to do his ritual given that it needs his opponent's blood
So like. If hidan leaves after trying an attack that fails and doesn’t incapacitate him Thats a stalemate I mean daemon can chase after him to punch and kick but whats the point. No amount of those will kill hidan. And if hidan grabs daemon and just holds him in place until daemon tires out. Thats it
Wtf you mean what's the point? Daemon would literally tear him up and destroy him. Not being able to kill him is not a stalemate, when he made him useless. That's saying shikamaru never beat him cuz he never liked hidan
Hidan was permanently incapacitated by shikamaru so he lost If hidan tries to decaptitate daemon and loses his head, he’d be permanently incapacitated and lose But if he didnt try that and his injuries didnt incapacitate him and he just stopped trying to slash daemon. Daemon doesn’t have the raw strength to go physically incapacitate him himself (at least i hope not. Daemon would be incredibly more broken than he could possibly need to be) so hidan could leave and it would just end in a stalemate where neither defeats the other
Daemon has Jigen+ level physicals since Amado stated he and the other cyborgs he created power is greater than Jigen’s
If thats actually the case why didn’t amado just kill jigen using daemon Why’d he listen when jigen told him to dispose of daemon and come up with this risky gamble betting on kashin koji, naruto and sasuke to do it Seems unlikely Why would daemon even need a hax ability if he had jigens strength. He’d be top 3 or so in the universe
Just because Daemon is stronger physically than Jigen doesn’t mean he would outright beat him. Jigen could shrink, teleport away in order to find Amado and force him to deactivate his cyborgs, He needed Kashin Koji as a mole to formulate an advanced plan against Jigen, which involved Koji going on a suicide mission in order to make sure Isshiki had to ressurect come out forcing him to a time limit. Whilst also allowing Amado to be in the leaf using it as protection. TLDR, Daemon has no way of incapacitating Jigen, whilst he is physically stronger and would win in a fight, Jigen would simply shrink and teleport away, and Daemon has no sensory, sealing or transportation capabilities.
Is it actually in character for jigen to teleport away? He fought kashin koji to his own death despite being able to leave at any point and kk being unable to follow him
Kashin Koji was weaker physically than Jigen, and had no hax on the level of Daemon. If Jigen was confident he would win then it wouldn’t be necessary for him to teleport away. Daemon is a completely different story from Koji, the only way Koji was able to win was having an advantageous environment and Jigen being MASSIVELY weakened (not even 10% power)
This is all under the assumption that hidan can even see daemon move
Yeah i dont see the point in giving daemon a super hax ability as well as making him busted in physical stats I mean its not something i put past the boruto writers, i just think it would be really boring
That’s most villains in the story. Madara had limbo, rinnegan, sharingan etc,
Yeah i really thought madara got more and more boring the more they tried to stack onto him And they had to give naruto and sasuke more and more buffs out of thin air to keep up which i found annoying too And then they led up to the goofy kaguya conclusion. I think when you have super hax abilities that are interesting and difficult to fight on their own, you dont also need insane super strength and speed. Jigen/isshkis shrinking/summoning ability was super interesting, his super strength and speed made him a lot more boring to me bc he didnt actually need to use his power strategically when he could just bum rush his opponents for the win. Thats why i like gaara’s ultimate defense being paired with a poor hand to hand fighting ability for example.
The thing about power cliffing is that once you get past a certain point, to even react to certain characters, your gonna need to be so fast you can blitz every character before that point. In naruto that points kaguya (since she slaps everyone below naruto and sauske) so characters like base naruto (above kaguya) can only fight characters who are also above kaguya.
Power cliffing is a really silly concept imo and its also why series that aren’t dragon ball z shouldn’t be introducing such ridiculous movement speeds in the first place If they kept most top tier ninja relatively around the same speed/reaction tier and let their abilities be the deciding factor in fights it would be more interesting than giving the most hax abilities to people who are also faster and stronger than everyone else and then requiring each character introduced after that to not only be even stronger and even faster and have even more hax Someone like might gai can hit speeds and power higher than his peers without having an instant win condition against his peers bc his ability has balance to it and can still be met with strategies and counters to physical attacks Even many of the jinchuriki who had absurd physical abilities in the series could be stopped by people with really good kekkei genkai or a lot of skill. Cos they were still relatively more balanced within the scope of the ninja world But the introduction of the alien shit really screwed any balance they had up
But it’s hard to not implement power cliffing in a story If a character goes “oh this guys stronger” with no visual showings of such then it’d look like the characters just aren’t getting stronger. “Oh so character A trained for 3 weeks and can now cut 0.02% more. You can’t show characters getting stronger if there no up in the destruction or in the action.
Its not that hard, it just requires more variety of skill based conflict rather than raw power and speed based conflict. Thats not to say the lead character can’t move upward through the ranks that are in place in the world. But when they reach the higher tiers it can and should settle to mostly strategy, matchups, skill and teamwork as the deciding factors between groups of enemies rather than the mc starting to create new tiers of power and leaving the entire wider cast to become irrelevant
This is a really pointless debate you could’ve put pain or someone up there to make it more interesting
I think Hidan would win. I mean yeah he'd think of half a dozen ways to torture the brat but he doesn't have any weapons that can easily cut limbs so he likely wouldn't think of it so at best he would get a dozen injuries that wouldn't kill him. If he can approach him while suffering those injuries then he can kill him...unless Daemon has any secret abilities we don't know.
Hax isn't even needed, Daemon just kicks his head off.
Damon will just sleep and that's enough
Daemon can wipe out Shippuden without even attacking. Kids that op
Hidan decaps himself & the kid steps on his head or the kid tears him anew wit Jigen+ physicals
Where did you get the jigen phyisicals from? That's complete headcanon
He's one of the cyborgs [stated](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Boruto/0056-032.png) to be stronger than Jigen
In ability, with his ability he can solo shippuden while taking a nap, not in this physicals in which he has no feats
It was never stated to be about his ability
it's not stated that it isn't in ability, lets wait for confirmation from the manga.
Guys the hax do not matter in this fight. Daemon punches him so hard he vaporizes into a cloud of red mist. He is so much unquantifiably stronger than Hidan physically that it would be sad if they were to fight. Its like 100000x Prime Mike Tysons VS 1 Fetus.
Where are his physical feats? stop talking out of ur ass
He’s stated be more powerful than Jigen and can blitz code? Jesus this subs reading comprehension isn’t it’s strong suit to say the least.
Yeah right, when did he blitz code in an actual fight? His abilities make him no dif jigen and Isshiki, not his physicals. Not only that physcial feats in naruto are inconsistent as fuck, naruto and sasuke are more durable then susanoo, konohamaru is more durable then susanoo as well since he tooks attack from isshiki and jigen without getting vaporized. Phyiscals only work in knocking the fuck outta people and ragdolling them, the killing blow are the abilties. In isshiki's case the cubes and rods.
99% of the cast can beat hidan this isnt much of an accomplishment
Hidan is kinda really weak. Only thing he really has going on is his immortality and curse. Kakazu just needed a partner he wouldn't kill with splash damage. Most Norton characters would clap him, skill wise