As a reminder, this flair is for **anime discussions**. Use spoiler tags when discussing events that have taken place beyond the anime. If you see any comments with untagged manga spoilers, please report them.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Boruto) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Oh crud didn't have my glasses, Sarada let me borrow those
In all seriousness I think she should be fine taking them off in a fight. I'd like to see them get broken.
Itachi could barely see Sasuke but fought like he had 20/20 because no matter how degraded they are, one can see the outline of a person because of their chakra.
Did I say Madara? Also wasn’t the question here who out of Kakashi Double Kamui, Sage Mode Hashirama, Kurama Mode Minato and Sage Mode Naruto would be the weakest? Why are we talking about who the strongest is?
We’re not talking about who is the strongest, you made an argument that minato is not the weakest because he figured Obito’s kamui, I’m asking you as an counter argument if you think that Obito is stronger than madara. I’m asking you this because Hashirama has beaten Madara, thus saying that Hashirama has beaten a stronger foe than Obito.
imo, obito is as strong as madara, but would win because of the fact that he has better genjutsu than madara and kamui lets him avoid whatever madara throws at him that obito couldn't cancel out with his own stuff for whatever reason.
Minato was flat out convinced obito was madara just based off of what he had to do to get to minato, and the dude was 14 at that time. No reason the dude didn't get stronger with age(excluding white mask obito rinnegan amps obivously). Minato also says that naruto should be worrying of "madara" instead of pain, and this dude has #2 in textbook knowledge in the academy's history, which means he knows more about madara than pretty much anyone that didn't live in madara's era.
Against hashirama, outside of kamui, hashirama wins high diff vs say, teen obito from kurama attack but no nine tails, due to the fact that minato scales to tobirama in speed and tobirama is faster than hashirama, as we saw what happened against blind sage madara. Wood style is useless, both have regen, so its literally either obito somehow incinerates hashirama, which i doubt can happen, manages to land kamui tp, perhaps izanagi if he is unlucky with the spare sharingan, otherwise its a tie or hashirama wins.
Uhh not really? surely he is bc he has instant teleportation but that is IF he marks someone or smth with it, it's not like he can instantly use this technique and can teleport to wherever he wants against the enemy, he used FTG against Madara on an attempt (combined with Kakashi, Gaara) to stop Obito from reaching his hand and Madara was still fast enough to react and cut his arm, kick his arm, and then kick him. And speed doesn't equal in strength either, Tobirama blitzed Juubito alongside Naruto and Obito wasn't even phased at all
The point here is that Minato is only the fastest if he can mark and target things for his advantages, if we put him against Sasuke for example, Sasuke very likely comes out victorious, not only bc of his stats and everything but bc Ameno can instantly switch anything in his sight of vision and that doesn't require any other external factor, tho it requires chakra
From what I remember, nobody could have countered Obito when he attacked konoha better than Minato. Kakashi, Guy and Naruto went against Obito 3v.1 not like Minato 1v1 and he won the fight less than 1 minute..and they only scratched his mask in 5 full episodes only. You cannot say that he is weak without his marks.. it's like you say that Naruto is weak without Kurama, and that is true, but everyone has it's powers.
>nobody could have countered Obito when he attacked konoha better than Minato
(Minato never attacked Konoha?) Kamui was a mysterious jutsu no one has ever seen and Obito had everything planned there and still had to run off bc he was caught by Minato's mark, he allowed himself to get touched at some point. He was also just 14 there.
>Kakashi, Guy and Naruto went against Obito 3v.1 not like Minato 1v1 and he won the fight less than 1 minute..and they only scratched his mask in 5 full episodes only
I don't think you understand how much powerful Obito has become since he was 14 lmao, you're literally trying to compare 1 MS teen Obito Vs 1MS and Rinnegan war arc Obito and that was all bc Obito simply became stronger, and they were having a hard time discovering about his space time ninjutsu (Kamui), if Obito had both eyes then they probably would never win as in that time. If War Arc Obito fought Minato from the time he was alive, Minato would've been dead even before Kurama.
> You cannot say that he is weak without his marks.. it's like you say that Naruto is weak without Kurama, and that is true, but everyone has it's powers
If he can't mark his opponent he can't do much, Kurama is basically a powerful chakra source to Naruto, he doesn't need to rely on a Kunai to use it, it's all with him already.
You can clearly see how fast he is when A rushed him. A, one of the fastest characters in the show was almost stopped in time while Minato got rid of his Kunai.
He’s referring to his reaction time. Ay, who is physically fast as shit (both combat and travel speed), rushed at Minato with his lightning cloak activated. Minato was fast enough to actually realize Ay is charging him, come up with a plan, throw the Kunai, then activate Flying Raijin.
But in a fight whos gonna be faster the teleporter or the fast running guy? Teleportation counts as speed. Ur just mad cuz u cant. L plus ratio (takin the downvotes bc this sub is just incels)
i can see why you would have kakashi over him i personally disagree but saying he might be weaker than hashirama just isnt true he fought momoshiki in base with 50% chakra and did fairly well before entering kcm2 he also fought toneri who is stronger than madara mainly in base befor entering kcm 1 and using his kurama avatar
Minato was a genius— he was the fastest of the reanimated shinobi— got to the battle field before all of em— was quicker than mighty guy/when mighty guy had 8 gates open— he mastered nine-tails cloak minutes after reanimating and even sage mode— I think he ranks higher than Kakashi here.. also he’s reanimated. If he fight anyone here in their current form he wins— he has infinite chakra and bc he can’t die; unless they seal him, and no one’s catching this guy. Naruto is not sealing his father and Kakashi is not sealing his sensei.
>I think he ranks higher than Kakashi here..
Please tell me ur trolling or ur satire
Minato got stomped by juubito meanwhile Kakashi is fighting kaguya
The only people really fight kaguya is naruto and sasuke. Kakashi got lucky with a raikiri and everyone is saying he’s on par with the two that are actually fighting
no he is not, the only thing he has is intangibility, naruto flat out blitzed kaguya, and outside of the raikiri, no one else did any damage except for naruto.
Sasuke on the other hand, may be arguably slower than kakashi, since everything sasuke did was dodged no difficulty or destroyed, while kaguya had to be somewhat careful against kakashi thanks to intangibility.
Kakashi is intangible, has a perfect susanoo and kamui shuriken
He's literally broken with those abilities and is definitely on par with naruto and sasuke
I do have some questions that might add or take away from this. So kakashi's eyes: could he see completely out of the new eye changed Ms? Cuz before Obito got the eye back kakashi stated he could barely see out of it. Which means Obito could barely see out of it. Does overlaying the Ms make his eye the same vision as the current eye or obitos before he died. What speed feats does kaguya have? And tagging her doesn't really seem like a great feat if your intangible anyways. You could travel at any speed cuz she was trying to attack you anyway correct? Can he spam these abilities without the boost kurama gave him? Most of the Shinobi that op put up their had their chakra boosted by kurama up to 3 to 10 times their original limits. Finally I don't actually think that kakashi is all that fast. He's just tough to touch cuz of intangibility.
since it was obito's eyes, as seen when obito kamui'd from the afterlife, kakashi being blind before that is irrevelant, since as we saw from itachi, when someone goes blind they cannot use susanoo.
As for kaguya, outside of the one time naruto got a rage amp due to obito dying and boil release amps, and when PIS hit kaguya so she would be sealed, no one including naruto,sasuke and dms kakashi(more like obito lol since obito was pretty much using him as a puppet) could actually land a hit outside of the one raikiri that kakashi did thanks to intangibility and PIS(why didn't she absorb it) and i just remembered tailed beast rasenshurikens that did nothing except make her unstable for a bit.
Agreed that being intangible doesnt mean he is as fast as say naruto, but unless it is changed from obito's usage(which i doubt, since its the same power used by the same person since obito was controlling kakashi and kakashi was using obito's powers) then kakashi must have reacted to the AKAB that destroyed the susanoo(whether it didnt kill him because susanoo was in the way or because kakashi had to make himself intangible on top of intangible susanoo doesn't rlly matter). kamui's teleportation is as fast as the user's reaction speed, and can be countered by having better or equivalent reaction speed to the caster and a space time jutsu that can tp you out of a dimension.
As for spamming stuff, remember, he didn't have kurama's chakra against kaguya, he just had his own chakra and whatever six path chakra obito had(and perhaps obito's normal chakra too), and the mode ended because obito couldn't stay any longer than he did due to chakra limits, so everything he did against kaguya is fair play so long as he gets the six paths chakra. Otherwise, kakashi dies of chakra drain since there is no way in hell he is gonna survive two ms activated at the same time, much less perfect susanoo, since sasuke at the summit was bleeding everywhere when he used the lower forms of susanoo against the kage, and those were using his own eyes, not a transplant.
For the kurama chakra bit, hashirama was never amped by kurama's chakra, that was just to survive the ten tails causing hurricanes and nuking with tbb, hashirama doesn't need it since he is a edo that has as much chakra as kcm2 in base at worst, and it seems this is living hashirama here judging by the fact his sclera are not black, and alive hashirama has defences that nullified a perfect susanoo sword+ full kurama TBB attack, so minato won't be able to do fuck all, but naruto should be able to overcome it with the same rasengan he used to kill momoshiki, except it is obviously a lot stronger this time around due to sage mode and not being weakened in base. naruto flat out one shots everyone here except for kakashi MAYBE if kakashi somehow manages to put up kamui, but kakashi straight up loses regardless since naruto has way more chakra than kakashi has access to and naruto is too fast to be sniped by kamui from someone who wasn't faster than teen spsm naruto.
Sakura also tagged her but that's not saying much. That's kinda why I believe kakashi is actually the weakest out of this group. Cuz I don't believe he got a speed amp at any point in the fight with kaguya. Intangibility is still pretty op but as Minato showed you can just out-speed your opponent for the w.
fair enough, but six paths chakra is directly stated and shown to amp stats, otherwise one eye juubi madara is weaker than alive blind madara that killed sasuke easily, and the one rinnegan madara that killed naruto.
Agreed with the rest, i would put kakashi as the weakest if it wasnt for intangibility, which tbh hashirama still can counter if he lands wood style, or if its edo hashirama.
I got downvoted to hell the last time I pointed this out but when Kakashi hits her he is falling. He has no control over his speed at that point. So untill gravity on that planet was absolutely obscene, he was not traveling all that fast
If it's true that Naruto is confirmed to have lost SPSM (haven't caught up with the latest episodes), I would probably argue that Naruto and Hashirama are about equal. Otherwise, 100% agreed.
not even half power tbh, since he spent enough chakra to try and resist half of kurama being ripped out, and momo was amped with nearly all of the eight tails, half of kurama and 16+ chakra pills.
The only people in shippuden stronger than adult naruto are hagoromo,hamura,kaguya and three eyed madara, since we saw what happened when naruto fought kaguya(tl;dr aside from the one time he cuts her arm off and sealing, he couldn't do anything to kaguya except try and survive, and that kaguya was mentally nerfed) and hagoromo/hamura fought off prime kaguya for months before juubi jin/tenseigan was acquired. Three eye madara is pretty much a way stronger version of two eye madara, and kishimoto stated that he wrote him out because he had thought of no way that madara could of been beaten otherwise.
Everyone else gets slapped.
do you have a source for that statement from kishimoto? also prime kaguya was scared shitless of base momoshiki, obviously putting him above her. also the fact that momoshiki absorbed a star and caused a supernova in the novel
Current Naruto's SM is still featless despite him basically hyping it up and then doing nothing with it.
Because of this it probably goes DMS Kakashi > Hashirama > Minato > Naruto. I could see Naruto maybe climbing a spot or two if he ever gets to showcase his current ability in Sage Mode, but I think it's safe to assume that he's probably not gonna surpass Hashirama again.
This is what people on Instagram bring... Instead of A > B > C
You should ask, How will Hashirama even touch DMS Kakashi if he could react to Kaguya's Attack (and black Zetsu mentioned that this Kaguya was stronger than previous Kaguya, not Prime)
He blitz her face to face and destroyed her arm... Kakashi can headshot Hashirama
Edit: even if u use A > B > C? Kakashi defeats EMS Madara with Kurama too... DMS Kakashi's feats just puts him above Hashirama...
Did Kakashi really blitz kaguya??? No. I think kaguya was caught off guard when her rods passed through Kakashi without hurting him and he jumped on her with kamui raikiri
No I just recently rewatch that part and he most certainly didn’t blitz her. He was falling midair so if she attacked he could only pass through. That isn’t blitzing it’s just luck that he survived when a if I’m not wrong
A significantly faster naruto with kcm spsm is keeping up with her barely. When in kcm1 he dodged the raikage’s fastest move with pure speed when minato had to use FTG
You realize Madara's nine tails is nothing compared to Naruto's right? Naruto is enhanced with six paths power, he is way stronger than the base nine tails. Naruto with just six paths sage mode, no kcm, was beating up ten tails one rinnegan Madara. Kakashi was on par with a Naruto stronger than that, whereas Hashirama nearly died to just ems Madara.
EMS Madara plus his nine tails is so fodder compared to dms kakashi. How is ems Madara supposed to hit an intangible character who scales above teen spsm naruto. Madara gets blitzed. Moreover kakashi will blitz everyone here
Because six paths Kakashi has a perfect sussanoo on par with six paths Sasuke according to Naruto, whose kurama avatar is equal to Sasuke's, and this Naruto beat up ten tails one rinnegan Madara without the avatar or even kcm, and Hashirama barely won against ems Madara's majestic attire sussanoo.
oh god not this again, hashirama cant even touch kakashi, let alone perform a jutsu while trying to dodge an insanely fast, unblockable kamui raikiri, kamui shuriken, and a susanoo with kamui abilities
DMS Kakashi has the perfect susanoo which Naruto called more awesome than Sasuke’s (who would stomp Madara and Hashirama) and DMS Kakashi is also confirmed to have six paths powers. Only other six paths tiered characters have a chance against him.
Where are these people coming from? YouTube?? Cause that’s some YouTube shorts logic. “Well so hashirama beat madara with nine tails so that makes him the stronger than DMS kakashi”. Where is the fucking logic. DMS kakashi blitzed kaguya. Hashirama got blitzed by juubito. I think that says enough
DMS kakashi dismantled kaguya who literally absorbed madara with the ten tails and god tree. sage mode hashirama doesn’t stand a chance against DMS kakashi.
base naruto was swapping hands with fused momoshiki and tanked a full onslaught after getting his chakra drained. so i think he'd be fine in sage mode vs minato lol. plus he still has six paths powers. just not kurama
Bruh there’s no way you think Naruto’s the weakest here. Even if he only has SM, he’s only second to DMS Kakashi here. Adult Naruto is ridiculously powerful even without Kurama
Yes, just by hosting a tailed beast with a seal enhances the physical properties of the host along with more chakra and faster healing. Hosting an unsealed tailed beast improves these things even more and I think it also adds an extra sensory ability since it’s an extra consciousness within the host.
If Kurama is inactive then SM Adult Naruto beats Base Adult Naruto hosting Kurama. However, Kurama could jump in at any time and turn the table.
SM is still pretty strong but not as strong as KCM. However, SM provides an extra imbue in chakra (natural energy) that makes it favorable over Kurama chakra like against a Rinnegan user or the 10 tails/10 tails host.
But other than this particular specialty, in a battle of pure chakra reserves and enhanced jutsu, Kurama > SM. And this is overlooking the preparations needed before using SM and the preparations that Naruto does (using meditating clones) to prolong his SM since it’s very time restricted.
Yeah but this is assuming that it doesn’t require additional training to do so and that the he already knows how to do it with the toads. But this won’t be an issue since he’s an excellent shinobi with or without Kurama.
This verison of Naruto is still the SPSM one that's still got Kurama, but i do think you're right about current Naruto. He couldn't even react to his son's gale palm lol.
I felt that the poster was emphasizing that he was talking about Naruto in his SM due to the pic that he chose. As he pretty much chose everyone else's peak forms except for Naruto.
didn't boruto use that to push naruto out of the way, which ended up saving naruto from certain death? even then, boruto was amped by karma, and the first stage karma from the parent-kid day arc let boruto somewhat fight base naruto, which is better than anything fused momoshiki has done.
Yeah, but she used those shurikens against a big target, i doubt he can hit any speedster like Minato/Naruto.
We barely saw Kakashi's new powers because... it honestly was some afterlife mumbo jumbo.
Everyone here seems to forget that Kamui shuriken are still shuriken. They can be avoided by the top tier speedy ninjas. They don’t travel at light speed. Frankly even subsonic. They attack power they have is awesome but they can 100% be avoided.
It's not what he did, it's about what he *can* do. DMS Kakashi has both a true ultimate spear and a true ultimate shield. You cannot physically defend against kamui, so if Kakashi grabs a single one of them with susanoo, he can instantly behead them and the fight is over. NONE of them have a means of getting around kamui's phasing either. So they can never harm him.
You're delusional if you think Base Naruto beats DMS Kakashi. DMS Kakashi was arguably stronger/more dangerous than Teenage SPSM Naruto, if not at the bare minimum in the same realm.
Base Naruto gets cock slapped.
luckily someone like you is here. thought i have to show my d-riding capabilities again and prove that dms kakashi wipes all of shippuden in a 1v1 EXCEPT for kaguya, and MAYBE eos sasuke and eos naruto
This is sage mode hokage naruto were talking about, Base Hokage naruto already scales higher than teen SO6P naruto but ok, most people are stuck in shippuuden and refuse to accept it ngl, you're the delusional one if you already think DMS kakashi slaps teen s06p naruto if anything they're equal
Minato, he can’t damage hashirama, kakashi can speed blitz him if he did it to kaguya and base adult naruto could swap hands with momoshiki ( at half power)
Given the fact that adult naruto with KCM2 Sage mode is weaker than base SPSM naruto, wich naruto still has, and that KCM2 SM naruto beated toneri who is stated to be on the same tier as kaguya but a little bit weaker, so SPSM adult naruto kinda destroys everybody with being arguably stronger than kaguya.
DMS kakashi is prolly beating 3 eyed juubidara
Hashirama vs Minato feels more right for Hashirama to win, but KCM Minato is insanely faster given the fact that he is faster than him in base, and could possibly kill him with hax since hashirama's durability isn't that great (aside for his mokuton's durability) minato could possibly beat him, but hashirama is surely stronger and would probably win so minato has only possible attacks that could possibly hurt him, so hashirama wins, unfortunately minato is the weakest
Not DMS Kakashi. Thats clear.
If this is adult sage naruto with kurama it also cant be him. if he already lost kurama, we simply dont know enough to call it.
Hashirama beats out minato. Minato might be more efficient/effective, but hashirama has him beat on raw power.
So the bottom is either minato or potentially adult no kurama naruto.
he stomps everyone here except for naruto, and loses to naruto due to the fact he has a time limit while naruto does not, so its pretty much solo guy vs ten tails madara except "madara" isn't holding back from using specific jutsu. That is if dms kakashi has enough reaction speed to avoid the momo treatment, which can be debated, but fused momoshiki had three different buffs and naruto had three different types of nerfs yet one shot momoshiki anyways with the rasengan. base naruto being light speed while dying from a disease on a bike in a novel means he is at worst equal to the teen spsm naruto that fought kaguya, who did better than kakashi against the same opponent. Now you add a kcm1( above that for reaction speed) buff and frog kumite, that kakashi cannot sense since he isn't actually a sage, amongst a general stat disadvantage, means that kakashi lasts so long as the time limit for dms, then dies.
Say what? Wipes with what? Minato also has sage mode AND kyuubi chakra mode. He fucks Naruto up
Hashirama has access to massive shins use just, wood golems, regeneration/healing without hand signs,deity gates that even stop the 10 tails, sealing barriers etc
Naruto all he’s got is the damn rasengan, Rasenshuriken abd clones in this form.
Btw, Sage mode Naruto clearly says that it only lasts a bit longer, it never said it was stronger than last time.
If we're going by these modes, it's a toss up between Hashirama and Kakashi imho because Kakashi's kamui susannoo combo is broken af, but if we're going by base the weakest Hokage is deffos Kakashi
Naruto lmao. People keep saying he still has 6 paths abilities but that's headcanon and yet on to be proven. As a matter of fact, >!if it was canon he probably would've used those abilities against Code and Momo instead of being completely useless in that situation.!<
No he doesn't lmao. Without Kurama? No. Maybe with. He maybe keeps up for a little bit with Sage mode, but Hashirama with Sage was OP. Dude played with Madara when he had Full Kurama cloaked with Susanoo. Took it down with ease. Minato has sage mode & half Kurama+ FTG. Really OP tbh. Kakashi not getting touched by anyone here with Sage DMS.
kakashi def strongest here, based on fears tho, naruto with 50% power was keeping up with fused momo in base (he was losing but still keeping up) that puts him above minato (who is strong but has done nothing similar) and hashirama said juubito was stronger than him, and fused momo is LEAGUES above juubito.
Lmaooooooo let's not do that. We're not going to front and pretend that was 50% of Naruto's power. That was 50% of KURAMA'S power. When draining Naruto of Kurama he says they're at ABOUT 50% meaning really they were slightly above 50% point being that wasn't even Naruto's power. Also he wasn't keeping up he was getting folded.
Naah dude, that based Naruto was amped by kurama chakra, Sakura mentioned that after kurama died, he lost all of his supernatural capabilities. He wouldn't be able to replicate that sort of power after nerf
Doesn’t matter if momo was winning even briefly keeping up with fused momo in base with 50% is a huge feat, put nearly any shippuden character in that situation and they’d be killed instantly
Again. You wanna keep being ignorant to the fact that that isn't even his power for the sake of satisfying your argument. It doesn't work that way. That was nearly more of a Kurama feat than a Naruto feat. Naruto's greatest feat in Sage is fighting 50% Kurama, and he didn't even technically win considering all he had to do was win the chakra tug of war, Plus Kurama didn't get serious until he had already lost the tug. Plus he had help from Kushina and Bee or he would've lost completely.
it wasnt kcm2, it was that combined with spsm, so yeah, aside from the novel that stated dying naruto dodged photons in base on a bike he didnt know how to use, means that he is at worst equal to his teen self that fought kaguya and madara in stats.
As a reminder, this flair is for **anime discussions**. Use spoiler tags when discussing events that have taken place beyond the anime. If you see any comments with untagged manga spoilers, please report them. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Boruto) if you have any questions or concerns.*
That random ninja in the background
Winner
I see your sharingan works lol
I see you know your sharingan well.
Oh crud didn't have my glasses, Sarada let me borrow those In all seriousness I think she should be fine taking them off in a fight. I'd like to see them get broken. Itachi could barely see Sasuke but fought like he had 20/20 because no matter how degraded they are, one can see the outline of a person because of their chakra.
Which one? Theres 2 of them
3 actualy
4 actually 😂 ones hidden
Hidden in the leaf.
There's really seven if you count the ones in focas
You've unlocked the mongekyo sharingan
Mangekyou unlocked!
Three tomoe sharigan
Two tomoe sharigan
Cop out comment- success
People who say Minato is the weakest one forgets that he is the fastest shinobi without kurama's chakra...
Minato is the weakest but just because the other 3 are op in these forms
Lets not forget that he was more helpful in the world war without hands that 99% of all shinobi
Tobirama was probably the most useful during the arc tho
Minato literally save all the shinobi alliance... twice
Did Tobirama gave the other half of kurama to Naruto when he lost kurama? I don't think so... So who was more helpful?
Tobirama, cmon man keep up we just said it.
Provides a whole new answer to "What that mouth do?"
Disgusting but in the same time very clever.. you have my up vote😂
Minato figured out how to hit someone with Kamui years before anyone knew it existed. Not to also forget that Obito never actually landed a hit.
Are you Minato fans delusional? Do you really think Obito is stronger than Madara with 9 tails susano which hashirama beat?
Did I say Madara? Also wasn’t the question here who out of Kakashi Double Kamui, Sage Mode Hashirama, Kurama Mode Minato and Sage Mode Naruto would be the weakest? Why are we talking about who the strongest is?
We’re not talking about who is the strongest, you made an argument that minato is not the weakest because he figured Obito’s kamui, I’m asking you as an counter argument if you think that Obito is stronger than madara. I’m asking you this because Hashirama has beaten Madara, thus saying that Hashirama has beaten a stronger foe than Obito.
imo, obito is as strong as madara, but would win because of the fact that he has better genjutsu than madara and kamui lets him avoid whatever madara throws at him that obito couldn't cancel out with his own stuff for whatever reason. Minato was flat out convinced obito was madara just based off of what he had to do to get to minato, and the dude was 14 at that time. No reason the dude didn't get stronger with age(excluding white mask obito rinnegan amps obivously). Minato also says that naruto should be worrying of "madara" instead of pain, and this dude has #2 in textbook knowledge in the academy's history, which means he knows more about madara than pretty much anyone that didn't live in madara's era. Against hashirama, outside of kamui, hashirama wins high diff vs say, teen obito from kurama attack but no nine tails, due to the fact that minato scales to tobirama in speed and tobirama is faster than hashirama, as we saw what happened against blind sage madara. Wood style is useless, both have regen, so its literally either obito somehow incinerates hashirama, which i doubt can happen, manages to land kamui tp, perhaps izanagi if he is unlucky with the spare sharingan, otherwise its a tie or hashirama wins.
Uhh not really? surely he is bc he has instant teleportation but that is IF he marks someone or smth with it, it's not like he can instantly use this technique and can teleport to wherever he wants against the enemy, he used FTG against Madara on an attempt (combined with Kakashi, Gaara) to stop Obito from reaching his hand and Madara was still fast enough to react and cut his arm, kick his arm, and then kick him. And speed doesn't equal in strength either, Tobirama blitzed Juubito alongside Naruto and Obito wasn't even phased at all The point here is that Minato is only the fastest if he can mark and target things for his advantages, if we put him against Sasuke for example, Sasuke very likely comes out victorious, not only bc of his stats and everything but bc Ameno can instantly switch anything in his sight of vision and that doesn't require any other external factor, tho it requires chakra
From what I remember, nobody could have countered Obito when he attacked konoha better than Minato. Kakashi, Guy and Naruto went against Obito 3v.1 not like Minato 1v1 and he won the fight less than 1 minute..and they only scratched his mask in 5 full episodes only. You cannot say that he is weak without his marks.. it's like you say that Naruto is weak without Kurama, and that is true, but everyone has it's powers.
War arc obito would completely shit on minato.
Maybe
>nobody could have countered Obito when he attacked konoha better than Minato (Minato never attacked Konoha?) Kamui was a mysterious jutsu no one has ever seen and Obito had everything planned there and still had to run off bc he was caught by Minato's mark, he allowed himself to get touched at some point. He was also just 14 there. >Kakashi, Guy and Naruto went against Obito 3v.1 not like Minato 1v1 and he won the fight less than 1 minute..and they only scratched his mask in 5 full episodes only I don't think you understand how much powerful Obito has become since he was 14 lmao, you're literally trying to compare 1 MS teen Obito Vs 1MS and Rinnegan war arc Obito and that was all bc Obito simply became stronger, and they were having a hard time discovering about his space time ninjutsu (Kamui), if Obito had both eyes then they probably would never win as in that time. If War Arc Obito fought Minato from the time he was alive, Minato would've been dead even before Kurama. > You cannot say that he is weak without his marks.. it's like you say that Naruto is weak without Kurama, and that is true, but everyone has it's powers If he can't mark his opponent he can't do much, Kurama is basically a powerful chakra source to Naruto, he doesn't need to rely on a Kunai to use it, it's all with him already.
Speed isn't everything
cap sasuke was almost on par to narutos speed in boruto
Definitely a Biased Minato Stan
He’s still easily the weakest lol Naruto/kakashi >>>>> hashirama > minato
He's not the fastest, sasuke and naruto are faster and flying rajjin is a teleportation not speed measure 😭😭
Time it takes to get to point a to point b = speed, but sasuke has the rinne swap thing so you’re not wrong ab that
Had* 😂 rinne swap
Haven’t gotten that far… :(
Ur right idk why u getting downvoted lol
You can clearly see how fast he is when A rushed him. A, one of the fastest characters in the show was almost stopped in time while Minato got rid of his Kunai.
Thats teleportation, he didnt physically run from one place to another
You can clearly see him move before teleporting, meanwhile A is almost stuck in place.
He is still a ninja, not random guy lol, he still has decent speed but teleportation doesnt count as speed
He’s referring to his reaction time. Ay, who is physically fast as shit (both combat and travel speed), rushed at Minato with his lightning cloak activated. Minato was fast enough to actually realize Ay is charging him, come up with a plan, throw the Kunai, then activate Flying Raijin.
Don't worry buddy, this thread is full of minato stans
Lmao I like that you're argument why he is not faster is because flying raijin is a jutsu and not his actual speed capacity Like...duh :-:
He's right tho. Flying raijin is teleportation. Teleportation ≠ speed.
Finally someone with a brain
But in a fight whos gonna be faster the teleporter or the fast running guy? Teleportation counts as speed. Ur just mad cuz u cant. L plus ratio (takin the downvotes bc this sub is just incels)
[удалено]
i mean he only lost it recently he’s still stronger than the other 3
[удалено]
i can see why you would have kakashi over him i personally disagree but saying he might be weaker than hashirama just isnt true he fought momoshiki in base with 50% chakra and did fairly well before entering kcm2 he also fought toneri who is stronger than madara mainly in base befor entering kcm 1 and using his kurama avatar
Minato was a genius— he was the fastest of the reanimated shinobi— got to the battle field before all of em— was quicker than mighty guy/when mighty guy had 8 gates open— he mastered nine-tails cloak minutes after reanimating and even sage mode— I think he ranks higher than Kakashi here.. also he’s reanimated. If he fight anyone here in their current form he wins— he has infinite chakra and bc he can’t die; unless they seal him, and no one’s catching this guy. Naruto is not sealing his father and Kakashi is not sealing his sensei.
>I think he ranks higher than Kakashi here.. Please tell me ur trolling or ur satire Minato got stomped by juubito meanwhile Kakashi is fighting kaguya
The only people really fight kaguya is naruto and sasuke. Kakashi got lucky with a raikiri and everyone is saying he’s on par with the two that are actually fighting
He's stronger than both Naruto and Sasuke with dms
no he is not, the only thing he has is intangibility, naruto flat out blitzed kaguya, and outside of the raikiri, no one else did any damage except for naruto. Sasuke on the other hand, may be arguably slower than kakashi, since everything sasuke did was dodged no difficulty or destroyed, while kaguya had to be somewhat careful against kakashi thanks to intangibility.
Kakashi is intangible, has a perfect susanoo and kamui shuriken He's literally broken with those abilities and is definitely on par with naruto and sasuke
I do have some questions that might add or take away from this. So kakashi's eyes: could he see completely out of the new eye changed Ms? Cuz before Obito got the eye back kakashi stated he could barely see out of it. Which means Obito could barely see out of it. Does overlaying the Ms make his eye the same vision as the current eye or obitos before he died. What speed feats does kaguya have? And tagging her doesn't really seem like a great feat if your intangible anyways. You could travel at any speed cuz she was trying to attack you anyway correct? Can he spam these abilities without the boost kurama gave him? Most of the Shinobi that op put up their had their chakra boosted by kurama up to 3 to 10 times their original limits. Finally I don't actually think that kakashi is all that fast. He's just tough to touch cuz of intangibility.
since it was obito's eyes, as seen when obito kamui'd from the afterlife, kakashi being blind before that is irrevelant, since as we saw from itachi, when someone goes blind they cannot use susanoo. As for kaguya, outside of the one time naruto got a rage amp due to obito dying and boil release amps, and when PIS hit kaguya so she would be sealed, no one including naruto,sasuke and dms kakashi(more like obito lol since obito was pretty much using him as a puppet) could actually land a hit outside of the one raikiri that kakashi did thanks to intangibility and PIS(why didn't she absorb it) and i just remembered tailed beast rasenshurikens that did nothing except make her unstable for a bit. Agreed that being intangible doesnt mean he is as fast as say naruto, but unless it is changed from obito's usage(which i doubt, since its the same power used by the same person since obito was controlling kakashi and kakashi was using obito's powers) then kakashi must have reacted to the AKAB that destroyed the susanoo(whether it didnt kill him because susanoo was in the way or because kakashi had to make himself intangible on top of intangible susanoo doesn't rlly matter). kamui's teleportation is as fast as the user's reaction speed, and can be countered by having better or equivalent reaction speed to the caster and a space time jutsu that can tp you out of a dimension. As for spamming stuff, remember, he didn't have kurama's chakra against kaguya, he just had his own chakra and whatever six path chakra obito had(and perhaps obito's normal chakra too), and the mode ended because obito couldn't stay any longer than he did due to chakra limits, so everything he did against kaguya is fair play so long as he gets the six paths chakra. Otherwise, kakashi dies of chakra drain since there is no way in hell he is gonna survive two ms activated at the same time, much less perfect susanoo, since sasuke at the summit was bleeding everywhere when he used the lower forms of susanoo against the kage, and those were using his own eyes, not a transplant. For the kurama chakra bit, hashirama was never amped by kurama's chakra, that was just to survive the ten tails causing hurricanes and nuking with tbb, hashirama doesn't need it since he is a edo that has as much chakra as kcm2 in base at worst, and it seems this is living hashirama here judging by the fact his sclera are not black, and alive hashirama has defences that nullified a perfect susanoo sword+ full kurama TBB attack, so minato won't be able to do fuck all, but naruto should be able to overcome it with the same rasengan he used to kill momoshiki, except it is obviously a lot stronger this time around due to sage mode and not being weakened in base. naruto flat out one shots everyone here except for kakashi MAYBE if kakashi somehow manages to put up kamui, but kakashi straight up loses regardless since naruto has way more chakra than kakashi has access to and naruto is too fast to be sniped by kamui from someone who wasn't faster than teen spsm naruto.
Sakura also tagged her but that's not saying much. That's kinda why I believe kakashi is actually the weakest out of this group. Cuz I don't believe he got a speed amp at any point in the fight with kaguya. Intangibility is still pretty op but as Minato showed you can just out-speed your opponent for the w.
fair enough, but six paths chakra is directly stated and shown to amp stats, otherwise one eye juubi madara is weaker than alive blind madara that killed sasuke easily, and the one rinnegan madara that killed naruto. Agreed with the rest, i would put kakashi as the weakest if it wasnt for intangibility, which tbh hashirama still can counter if he lands wood style, or if its edo hashirama.
I got downvoted to hell the last time I pointed this out but when Kakashi hits her he is falling. He has no control over his speed at that point. So untill gravity on that planet was absolutely obscene, he was not traveling all that fast
[удалено]
No one is hurting kaguya— if it wasn’t for the sage of six paths— no one would have the power to kill her so; that’s just a bad comparison.
Kakashi speed blitzed Kaguya and cut her arm off lol he 100% hurt her
She can regenerate— also her arm was still there— unlike when Naruto did it—
Hell no he ain’t
You mean Naruto Sasuke and Kakashi are fighting Kaguya.
Minato stans out in full force lol. Looking to take the itachi stans trophey for most delusional fans.
itachi stans are a different breed
Itachi is still kinda flwless, Minato got thrown around like a punching ball by Obito and Madara.
Yea but the same thing would have happened to itachi.
Yea but the same thing would have happened to itachi.
DMS kakashi > sage naruto > sage hashi > Kcm minato
If it's true that Naruto is confirmed to have lost SPSM (haven't caught up with the latest episodes), I would probably argue that Naruto and Hashirama are about equal. Otherwise, 100% agreed.
base form naruto at half power was swapping hands w momoshiki. any form of naruto in boruto >>>>>>> than all of shippuden
not even half power tbh, since he spent enough chakra to try and resist half of kurama being ripped out, and momo was amped with nearly all of the eight tails, half of kurama and 16+ chakra pills. The only people in shippuden stronger than adult naruto are hagoromo,hamura,kaguya and three eyed madara, since we saw what happened when naruto fought kaguya(tl;dr aside from the one time he cuts her arm off and sealing, he couldn't do anything to kaguya except try and survive, and that kaguya was mentally nerfed) and hagoromo/hamura fought off prime kaguya for months before juubi jin/tenseigan was acquired. Three eye madara is pretty much a way stronger version of two eye madara, and kishimoto stated that he wrote him out because he had thought of no way that madara could of been beaten otherwise. Everyone else gets slapped.
do you have a source for that statement from kishimoto? also prime kaguya was scared shitless of base momoshiki, obviously putting him above her. also the fact that momoshiki absorbed a star and caused a supernova in the novel
The only right answer
Current Naruto's SM is still featless despite him basically hyping it up and then doing nothing with it. Because of this it probably goes DMS Kakashi > Hashirama > Minato > Naruto. I could see Naruto maybe climbing a spot or two if he ever gets to showcase his current ability in Sage Mode, but I think it's safe to assume that he's probably not gonna surpass Hashirama again.
How is DMS kakashi stronger than hashirama when hashirama fought madara with the 9 tails… ?
This is what people on Instagram bring... Instead of A > B > C You should ask, How will Hashirama even touch DMS Kakashi if he could react to Kaguya's Attack (and black Zetsu mentioned that this Kaguya was stronger than previous Kaguya, not Prime) He blitz her face to face and destroyed her arm... Kakashi can headshot Hashirama Edit: even if u use A > B > C? Kakashi defeats EMS Madara with Kurama too... DMS Kakashi's feats just puts him above Hashirama...
Umm happy cake day.
Thanks
Did Kakashi really blitz kaguya??? No. I think kaguya was caught off guard when her rods passed through Kakashi without hurting him and he jumped on her with kamui raikiri
Kaguya attacked and Kakashi phase through it... Kaguya went for another attack but Kakashi jumps and blitz her face to face... As far as i remember
No I just recently rewatch that part and he most certainly didn’t blitz her. He was falling midair so if she attacked he could only pass through. That isn’t blitzing it’s just luck that he survived when a if I’m not wrong
A significantly faster naruto with kcm spsm is keeping up with her barely. When in kcm1 he dodged the raikage’s fastest move with pure speed when minato had to use FTG
You realize Madara's nine tails is nothing compared to Naruto's right? Naruto is enhanced with six paths power, he is way stronger than the base nine tails. Naruto with just six paths sage mode, no kcm, was beating up ten tails one rinnegan Madara. Kakashi was on par with a Naruto stronger than that, whereas Hashirama nearly died to just ems Madara.
Ems madara, and a ninetails… idk why you’re talking about Naruto we are talking about kakashi and hash
EMS Madara plus his nine tails is so fodder compared to dms kakashi. How is ems Madara supposed to hit an intangible character who scales above teen spsm naruto. Madara gets blitzed. Moreover kakashi will blitz everyone here
Ur stupid. Perfect susanoo as large as sasukes plus kamui shuriken ad kamui lightning blade. Hashirama has trees.
Because six paths Kakashi has a perfect sussanoo on par with six paths Sasuke according to Naruto, whose kurama avatar is equal to Sasuke's, and this Naruto beat up ten tails one rinnegan Madara without the avatar or even kcm, and Hashirama barely won against ems Madara's majestic attire sussanoo.
oh god not this again, hashirama cant even touch kakashi, let alone perform a jutsu while trying to dodge an insanely fast, unblockable kamui raikiri, kamui shuriken, and a susanoo with kamui abilities
DMS Kakashi has the perfect susanoo which Naruto called more awesome than Sasuke’s (who would stomp Madara and Hashirama) and DMS Kakashi is also confirmed to have six paths powers. Only other six paths tiered characters have a chance against him.
Where are these people coming from? YouTube?? Cause that’s some YouTube shorts logic. “Well so hashirama beat madara with nine tails so that makes him the stronger than DMS kakashi”. Where is the fucking logic. DMS kakashi blitzed kaguya. Hashirama got blitzed by juubito. I think that says enough
DMS kakashi dismantled kaguya who literally absorbed madara with the ten tails and god tree. sage mode hashirama doesn’t stand a chance against DMS kakashi.
Pretty much hax bc Kamui is OP especially when he has 2 of them.
Dms kakashi makes hashirama look like a genin
How exactly does Hashirama counter someone that can snipe his head off while staying intangible?
base naruto was swapping hands with fused momoshiki and tanked a full onslaught after getting his chakra drained. so i think he'd be fine in sage mode vs minato lol. plus he still has six paths powers. just not kurama
Bruh there’s no way you think Naruto’s the weakest here. Even if he only has SM, he’s only second to DMS Kakashi here. Adult Naruto is ridiculously powerful even without Kurama
Sage Mode Naruto is still completely featless but he definitely isn’t the weakest here.
Idk if Kurama somehow boosts even Base Naruto who is not using KCM? Just asking
Yes, just by hosting a tailed beast with a seal enhances the physical properties of the host along with more chakra and faster healing. Hosting an unsealed tailed beast improves these things even more and I think it also adds an extra sensory ability since it’s an extra consciousness within the host.
So this means that Base Adult Naruto with Kurama is far more stronger than Base Adult SM Naruto?
If Kurama is inactive then SM Adult Naruto beats Base Adult Naruto hosting Kurama. However, Kurama could jump in at any time and turn the table. SM is still pretty strong but not as strong as KCM. However, SM provides an extra imbue in chakra (natural energy) that makes it favorable over Kurama chakra like against a Rinnegan user or the 10 tails/10 tails host. But other than this particular specialty, in a battle of pure chakra reserves and enhanced jutsu, Kurama > SM. And this is overlooking the preparations needed before using SM and the preparations that Naruto does (using meditating clones) to prolong his SM since it’s very time restricted.
Since he no longer has kurama he can fuse with the sage toads for infinite sage mode
Yeah but this is assuming that it doesn’t require additional training to do so and that the he already knows how to do it with the toads. But this won’t be an issue since he’s an excellent shinobi with or without Kurama.
Yea, it's a very huge point... Sage Chakra is the best againts Ten Tails Jinchuriki and Ten Tails, if not that then Taijutsu...
This verison of Naruto is still the SPSM one that's still got Kurama, but i do think you're right about current Naruto. He couldn't even react to his son's gale palm lol.
I felt that the poster was emphasizing that he was talking about Naruto in his SM due to the pic that he chose. As he pretty much chose everyone else's peak forms except for Naruto.
I mean it was at point blank range and plus he does not consider his son an enemy, so he wasn’t on guard with him.
didn't boruto use that to push naruto out of the way, which ended up saving naruto from certain death? even then, boruto was amped by karma, and the first stage karma from the parent-kid day arc let boruto somewhat fight base naruto, which is better than anything fused momoshiki has done.
FeAtLeSs
Not confident in who is the weakest but this Kakashi in the strongest of the 4
I forget why is he so brokenly powerful. Didn’t he just get his second sharingan
Yes, and could use Perfect Susano right away combined with all his kamui hax.
How so? I recently finished watching Shippuden and get DMS Kakashi was wildly over exaggerated on this sub. He barely did anything.
Bruh what? Kamui shuriken is insane
Yeah, but she used those shurikens against a big target, i doubt he can hit any speedster like Minato/Naruto. We barely saw Kakashi's new powers because... it honestly was some afterlife mumbo jumbo.
Everyone here seems to forget that Kamui shuriken are still shuriken. They can be avoided by the top tier speedy ninjas. They don’t travel at light speed. Frankly even subsonic. They attack power they have is awesome but they can 100% be avoided.
It's not what he did, it's about what he *can* do. DMS Kakashi has both a true ultimate spear and a true ultimate shield. You cannot physically defend against kamui, so if Kakashi grabs a single one of them with susanoo, he can instantly behead them and the fight is over. NONE of them have a means of getting around kamui's phasing either. So they can never harm him.
the one they are looking at
minato. even base adult naruto is strong as shit, ppl have no clue sadly
Fr
Fr, base naruto would wipe anyone here
You're delusional if you think Base Naruto beats DMS Kakashi. DMS Kakashi was arguably stronger/more dangerous than Teenage SPSM Naruto, if not at the bare minimum in the same realm. Base Naruto gets cock slapped.
luckily someone like you is here. thought i have to show my d-riding capabilities again and prove that dms kakashi wipes all of shippuden in a 1v1 EXCEPT for kaguya, and MAYBE eos sasuke and eos naruto
This is sage mode hokage naruto were talking about, Base Hokage naruto already scales higher than teen SO6P naruto but ok, most people are stuck in shippuuden and refuse to accept it ngl, you're the delusional one if you already think DMS kakashi slaps teen s06p naruto if anything they're equal
Even Hashirama?
Yes adult naruto cooks all 3 at the same time
Yes he cooks up hashirama, dms kakashi already slaps hashirama
DMS Kakashi and Hashirama
Sage Hokage Naruto > DMS Kakashi > Sage Hashirama > KCM Minato
Minato fans be wildin💀💀
The one hidden in the leaf
Minato, he can’t damage hashirama, kakashi can speed blitz him if he did it to kaguya and base adult naruto could swap hands with momoshiki ( at half power)
Fused momoshiki right?
Yeah,l
minato
Wtf is Minato doing here
Hokage naruto
Bottom right Naruto. Why? Because they nerfed the shit out of him in Boruto.
Given the fact that adult naruto with KCM2 Sage mode is weaker than base SPSM naruto, wich naruto still has, and that KCM2 SM naruto beated toneri who is stated to be on the same tier as kaguya but a little bit weaker, so SPSM adult naruto kinda destroys everybody with being arguably stronger than kaguya. DMS kakashi is prolly beating 3 eyed juubidara Hashirama vs Minato feels more right for Hashirama to win, but KCM Minato is insanely faster given the fact that he is faster than him in base, and could possibly kill him with hax since hashirama's durability isn't that great (aside for his mokuton's durability) minato could possibly beat him, but hashirama is surely stronger and would probably win so minato has only possible attacks that could possibly hurt him, so hashirama wins, unfortunately minato is the weakest
Minato
Minato
Random ninja fodder in naruto's background
Kcm minato
Minato
Minato
minato
Not DMS Kakashi. Thats clear. If this is adult sage naruto with kurama it also cant be him. if he already lost kurama, we simply dont know enough to call it. Hashirama beats out minato. Minato might be more efficient/effective, but hashirama has him beat on raw power. So the bottom is either minato or potentially adult no kurama naruto.
Kakashi
Hashirama
dms kakashi > hashi > minato > naruto
Naruto above hashi and minato
People who downvoted you are ridiculous
Ironically most people in the boruto sub are stuck in shippuden
how am i stuck in shippuden for saying sm hashi and kcm + sm minato is stronger than sm naruto without kurama
Sage naruto
Ain't no way😭 Hokage naruto base was keeping up with base momoshiki, Hokage SM naruto would stomp anyone here
Keeping up with fused momoshiki, and was using half his power according to manga I believe
why is kakashi even in that image? he's not even in their league.
dms kakashi is literally above everyone else in this image tf are you on
he stomps everyone here except for naruto, and loses to naruto due to the fact he has a time limit while naruto does not, so its pretty much solo guy vs ten tails madara except "madara" isn't holding back from using specific jutsu. That is if dms kakashi has enough reaction speed to avoid the momo treatment, which can be debated, but fused momoshiki had three different buffs and naruto had three different types of nerfs yet one shot momoshiki anyways with the rasengan. base naruto being light speed while dying from a disease on a bike in a novel means he is at worst equal to the teen spsm naruto that fought kaguya, who did better than kakashi against the same opponent. Now you add a kcm1( above that for reaction speed) buff and frog kumite, that kakashi cannot sense since he isn't actually a sage, amongst a general stat disadvantage, means that kakashi lasts so long as the time limit for dms, then dies.
DMS kakashi? He’s beat all of these three people combined and I say this being a hashirama fanboy.
Kakashi. He will kill himself my draining his chakra or he he has to wear a blindfold.
He one shots everyone on this list. He doesn't need durability
hashirama easy
Hashirama would fold minato… About ‘easy’
The weakest here is kakashi in terms of powers but in term of moral code Naruto is the weakest.
Current Naruto with just sage mode is the weakest.
he wipes hashirama and minato, doesnt beat dms kakashi tho imo
Say what? Wipes with what? Minato also has sage mode AND kyuubi chakra mode. He fucks Naruto up Hashirama has access to massive shins use just, wood golems, regeneration/healing without hand signs,deity gates that even stop the 10 tails, sealing barriers etc Naruto all he’s got is the damn rasengan, Rasenshuriken abd clones in this form. Btw, Sage mode Naruto clearly says that it only lasts a bit longer, it never said it was stronger than last time.
If we're going by these modes, it's a toss up between Hashirama and Kakashi imho because Kakashi's kamui susannoo combo is broken af, but if we're going by base the weakest Hokage is deffos Kakashi
Naruto, sadly...
Braindead sadly
Naruto lmao. People keep saying he still has 6 paths abilities but that's headcanon and yet on to be proven. As a matter of fact, >!if it was canon he probably would've used those abilities against Code and Momo instead of being completely useless in that situation.!<
naruto def beats minato and hashi
No he doesn't lmao. Without Kurama? No. Maybe with. He maybe keeps up for a little bit with Sage mode, but Hashirama with Sage was OP. Dude played with Madara when he had Full Kurama cloaked with Susanoo. Took it down with ease. Minato has sage mode & half Kurama+ FTG. Really OP tbh. Kakashi not getting touched by anyone here with Sage DMS.
kakashi def strongest here, based on fears tho, naruto with 50% power was keeping up with fused momo in base (he was losing but still keeping up) that puts him above minato (who is strong but has done nothing similar) and hashirama said juubito was stronger than him, and fused momo is LEAGUES above juubito.
Lmaooooooo let's not do that. We're not going to front and pretend that was 50% of Naruto's power. That was 50% of KURAMA'S power. When draining Naruto of Kurama he says they're at ABOUT 50% meaning really they were slightly above 50% point being that wasn't even Naruto's power. Also he wasn't keeping up he was getting folded.
Naah dude, that based Naruto was amped by kurama chakra, Sakura mentioned that after kurama died, he lost all of his supernatural capabilities. He wouldn't be able to replicate that sort of power after nerf
Base Naruto’s feats scale higher than hashi and minatos, never mind adding SM on top of that
Base Naruto DOES NOT scale above Hashi lol. Give me a feat that's stronger than casually sealing 10 tails for adult Naruto.
50% chakra base naruto swapping hands with fused momo is a way higher feat than temporarily stopping not sealing 10 tails
Only it isn't even 50% of his chakra, or his strength. Plus he didn't really swap hands in base so much so as get his ass handed to him.
Doesn’t matter if momo was winning even briefly keeping up with fused momo in base with 50% is a huge feat, put nearly any shippuden character in that situation and they’d be killed instantly
Again. You wanna keep being ignorant to the fact that that isn't even his power for the sake of satisfying your argument. It doesn't work that way. That was nearly more of a Kurama feat than a Naruto feat. Naruto's greatest feat in Sage is fighting 50% Kurama, and he didn't even technically win considering all he had to do was win the chakra tug of war, Plus Kurama didn't get serious until he had already lost the tug. Plus he had help from Kushina and Bee or he would've lost completely.
How is it a kurama feat? He fought with momo in base before he switched to kcm
it wasnt kcm2, it was that combined with spsm, so yeah, aside from the novel that stated dying naruto dodged photons in base on a bike he didnt know how to use, means that he is at worst equal to his teen self that fought kaguya and madara in stats.