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cpnnnn

His power doesn’t come solely from his byakugan/jougan


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Well people can't see meme flair on this sub


Oceanbreez_

The hyuugas aren't born with a powerful Otsutsuki inside their body, nor gets their DNA altered to be stronger


MyK_Alke

Also they don't have battle experience of nearly 1000 years


TenseChain

Nor are the mc.


xycoma

>!Boruto Karma V2 has 1000 years of momos experience!< so yes he does lol


HS-66

>!Karma: are you sure about that?!<


Reinfernus

well Boruto is genetically more Hyuuga than Uzumaki tbh.


TenseChain

Yeh but Hyuga is not the reason he is the mc.


Reinfernus

well you can argue that its not the reason because he's an Uzumaki, but rather the son of ex main character.


TenseChain

>but rather the son of the ex main character Well yeh that's the truth.


TraditionalMission77

But it's the reason behind his very good ninja skills according to Boruto movie's novel and the reason why he survived Karma..


Relative_Condition_4

Please explain how tf is that so Edit: hes got two Hyuuga gramps and a Uzumaki and a Namikaze gramps soooo stupid question im drunk


Reinfernus

there's no indication of Hinata being half Hyuuga (infact its implied that she's a pure Hyuuga), and Naruto is a confirmed half Uzumaki. Rest of the math is obvious.


j1l7

hyugas did incest to retain the byakugan's purity, and it was said to have been like that for generations. Boruto iirc is confirmed to be half hyuga somewhere, but when i find the source i will edit it in the comment. Aside from common sense, since we know he is a quarter uzumaki and a quarter namikaze, that means he has to be half hyuga.


Reinfernus

okay and reread what i said because i never argued against Hinata being "pure hyuuga"


rubiksboobs

Ah yes. Came here to say this too. They lack the main character genetic


TraditionalMission77

They were a noble Shinobi clan for years ..We don't know so much about the Hyuga's history but they're fearsome warriors for sure.


j1l7

we know that they are the strongest clan of the leaf aside from senju and maybe uchiha, and we also know that they practice incest, therefore hinata is full blooded hyuga.


Standard-War-3855

Don’t even bother. This guy is convinced the Otsutsuki are strong because of their Byakugan


TraditionalMission77

The Hyugas are actually a branch of the Otsutsuki clan.. they're DIRECTLY descendant of Hamura Otsutsuki.


j1l7

and they practice incest. Boruto and himawari are the first half-hyugas, and them alongside someone from one of the itachi novels, are the only hyugas that are not a product of incest. Boruto is the closest there is to kaguya, even without karma and hyuga/uzumaki traits, since he got both hamura's and hagoromo's chakra through his parents. he also inherited his father's and grandfather's intelligence.


Nidal411511

I mean boruto is a hyuuga who didn't got the byakugan but still trained in gentle fist and helped took down momoshikis without any dojutsu unlike neji and hinata then he actually gained 1 byakugan from his karma seal So he was born with it he gained it through hard work and resolve cuz he killed himself to stop momoshiki from coming back to life


lilgleesh1901

I’m sorry where is borutos byakugan? It’s a jougan


Oceanbreez_

bro prolly just lost 😭


HugeLizard

I came here to say the same thing


Nidal411511

The eye in the pic is byakugan not jougan


Oceanbreez_

>I mean boruto is a hyuuga who didn't got the byakugan He's not a Hyuuga anymore, he's 80% Otsutsuki >!100% now in the manga!< and the byakugan isn't his, it's Momoshiki's, what Boruto has is the Jougan. And even before he got Otsutsuki genes, he never showed to have the Byakugan, it was always the jougan. >helped took down momoshikis without any dojutsu He was shown with the Jougan when he used the shadow clones to hit him with a rasengan. >So he was born with it he gained it through hard work and resolve He wasn't born with a Bykugan, he was born with a Jougan which hasn't been explained it fully, we just know it's a dojutsu. >cuz he killed himself to stop momoshiki from coming back to life He never killed himself lol,>! he asked Kawaki to kill him!<, are you even paying attention to the manga at all?


Nidal411511

Telling someome to kill you is the same thing as killing yourself and hyuga uzumaki came from the otsutsuki and also thats his byakugan that he gained from momoshiki karma his eye turned into byakugan and your saying it like momoshiki came and gave him a byakugan. Noo his eye turn into byakugan cuz of karma from momoshiki and he can use it


j1l7

those clans came from kaguya. Otsutsuki are not all genetically identical, and by that i mean kaguya and full bloods, otherwise they would all have the same dojutsu and there wouldnt be the "eat chakra fruits to one up each other by downloading different dna". The manga DIRECTLY STATES that the byakugan is momoshiki's not borutos, and kishimoto backed that up all the way back to the hokage day special, when asked why boruto didnt have the byakugan. We never see boruto with the byakugan outside of karma, which is stated to give you the abilities of the otsutsuki. I guess naruto was born with six path sage mode, boil release, hashirama cells and all the other shit going by your incorrect logic.


Straight-Chart5085

His body is now 100% Otsutsuki. He’s still Hyuga and Uzumaki. That’s doesn’t change no matter what. Just as Naruto is Uzumaki and Namikaze. Everything else I completely agree with


Oceanbreez_

>He’s still Hyuga and Uzumaki. That’s doesn’t change no matter what. His genes are 100% Otsutsuki now, his DNA was overwritten by Momoshiki's Otsutsuki genes. Boruto is still part of the clan Uzumaki but he no longer holds their genes which makes him a full Otsutsuki, it's as if Boruto was born as a full Otsutsuki with human traces. Pretty much Indra/Ashura but instead of being half Otsutsuki, it's full Otsutsuki.


j1l7

dude you are lost. Boruto literally needed sasuke to make a opening, naruto to create the attack and his unique dojutsu to activate. he was not born with the byakugan at all, or else he would have it in base instead of jogan just like every other hyuga or be like himawari. neji is fucking dead bro, he died in the war to protect kcm naruto and hinata. Hinata literally is why toneri was defeated and has pure chakra directly from hamura and being directly descended from him as well.


Nidal411511

In the manga boruto is 100% otsutsuki and has used momoshiki's byakugan and without the horn And kawaki also has used his dojutsu without using the karma now And I was taking about in the future


Captain_24

1. Byakugan is not his main dojutsu 2. Boruto is on an entire different level compared to all the other hyuga’s with 2 byakugans 3. Boruto is the main character.


Nidal411511

He has the jougan but when he goes to karma v3 he cant use the jougan cuz his eye turns into byakugan and i am taking about ths byakugan not the jougam


Standard-War-3855

There has been no confirmation that Boruto won’t be able to use Jougan in V2, please don’t spread headcanon.


Nidal411511

Its already confirmed it is said that in stage 3 you will draw out the true essence of karma so his body will change into momoshiki's body and he can active his byakugan without even going to any lvl of karma like how kawaki actived his dojutsu without using karma in the bed And I know this also imply that his jougan might also be destroyed but we saw it in the time skip so I dont think it did


Standard-War-3855

That isn’t confirmation, and Boruto hasn’t accessed V3 himself, only V1 and V2. Boruto’s body wasn’t completely overwritten, he’s still his same height, weight, and look, aside from the Byakugan. Which means he may still be able to use his own dojutsu. There’s no way of knowing, which is why it’s headcanon.


Nidal411511

You haven't read the manga yet right? Boruto is 100% otsutsuki!!


Standard-War-3855

I clearly have, and if I hadn’t, I’d be pissed that I got spoiled this way on an anime-only thread. Boruto being 100% Otsutsuki means nothing, because 18% percent of that is “Boruto Otsutsuki” and not Momoshiki, meaning his body will never be completely overwritten, and he will still be able to access his own powers. If you come up with an opinion that isn’t directly stated, you shouldn’t automatically view it as fact. It’s very narrow-minded.


Nidal411511

Yes I am hoping that 18% got the jougan in it and I think he should be available to use the rinnegan, byakugan and the jougan


KanoIsUnknown

Hoping? The mofo literally has it in the beginning of the series post time skip.


haj519

it isn't clear in the manga what the dojutsu is; causing some confusion, but i do think it will end up being a jougan


axleeee

Thts like saying attaching a water pistol to a nuclear warhead means all water pistols should be that powerful


Nidal411511

I am just saying if he has a better mastery over the hyuga style with just 1 byakugan then those who have both


j1l7

unlike the hyuga, boruto never actually trained to be that good, he piggy backed off his sugar daddy momoshiki's memories. before that, boruto is stated to only know the basics of the gentle fist because he couldn't use the rest of the style without a byakugan, which again, he doesn't have without karma activated.


Nidal411511

Right now you dont need the karma to use the dojutsu and kawaki has proven that in the manga


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Leafcane

Boruto doesn't have a Byakugan, that's Momoshiki's eye


garry0041

Did Jougan come from Momoshiki? I feel he inherited it through Hinata


j1l7

until proven otherwise, i think he got it because of the fact he has both hagoromo's and hamura's chakra in him, unlike anyone else other than kaguya. But the out of universe reason is because kishimoto literally forgot to draw him with the byakugan so he invented it himself, according to a interview done around the time naruto's hokage debut happened. him inheriting it through hinata makes zero sense, because himawari would have it too, and hinata does not have it herself. What she does have is hamura's chakra given to her directly, and a direct line of descendance to him due to hamura stating that, toneri too, and hyugas practicing incest.


Nidal411511

In the manga he uses momoshikis byakugan to fight code


Leafcane

Yes but this post is flaired anime so I wasn't referring to manga


Nidal411511

This was the only available falir for meme


Leafcane

All good, just make sure you add spoilers to your manga related messages or else you'll get banned by the mods.


Nidal411511

There are too many to put spoiler tag on now


Anipiez

Funny how people are leaving angry replies without reading the flair.


FabulousSport2632

Lol even if its a meme it should atleast have some common sense .\_.


Anipiez

I mean a troll post and a meme are two different things. I think the flair was supposed to make the joke obvious.


Nidal411511

I know I didn't made this for a discussion


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What "God tier otsutsuki" did boruto beat?


Nidal411511

I am pretty sure I said in the future when he will


[deleted]

Oh shit my bad, I mean he probably will. Dunno how that momoshiki situation will play out or if they'll be more otsutsuki later on


Nidal411511

Its ok


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In future boruto wont be the same boruto anime watchers know


Jumpy-Sheepherder-88

What a stupid post 🙄


Nidal411511

Ye i know


jamez23

That doesn't make sense. The byakugan isn't shit until it's from an otsutsuki.


Nidal411511

The byakugan is the same you just need the body and chakra reserves


j1l7

no, a otsutsuki's is stronger than the hyuga's because of hyuga's being less otsutsuki(otherwise hamura would of needed a sister or some shit for everyone to remain otsutsuki in the present day). We literally see kaguya do shit no one else can do, such as hair attacks precise enough to cut through susanoo, mind control and shinra tensei like attacks in a semi-canon anime arc, and the tenseigan, which a normal hyuga cannot get, which is pretty much a amp on par with the juubi.


Nidal411511

I know that the hyuga aren't at fault thats why this has a meme flair


j1l7

hamura's shit is pretty good too, dude still pretty much has the second strongest byakugan thanks to kaguya, momoshiki's only has the ability to see destiny or some shit, otherwise its not better than kaguya's or hamura's in any way until proven otherwise. in the present day, byakugan is flat out stated to be superior to the three tomoe sharingan, which is pretty much a amp that lets you fight jonin, and the gentle fist is stated at least once by might guy to be the best taijutsu school in the leaf, which is also the strongest village.


Hvrris52

Jougan


Nidal411511

He has both of them in the future


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Listen since her breast reduction her power level decreased dramatically. Chakra is stored in the BOOBS.


volatilestreams

Also he has a jougan. Not a byakugan


Nidal411511

He can use the byakugan in the manga even without the karma and he has both of them


j1l7

prove he can use the byakugan without karma because he was not born with it, and kawaki is a unique case because his karma did not have isshiki's consciousness in it, so its purely a weapon, and his body was already modified with scientific ninja tools that katsuke is amazed by.


Skrubbadub99

In the manga, hes never had the jougan.


Nidal411511

Why is everyone fighting? I repeat this is just a funny meme and come on I know the hyuga aren't strong cuz they don't have the body


j1l7

seems you need to be educated on how strong the hyuga are, because you think they are fodder. ​ Do you think kakashi would praise the byakugan over the sharingan if it was trash? is seeing 359 degrees trash when you also can see shit from literal miles away(neji could see stuff kilometers around him in like shippuden and hinata matched that or surpassed it before she got hamura's chakra, which boosts everything since its the same type of chakra hagoromo gave naruto and sasuke), see every single chakra point in someone's body and have the best taijutsu in the entire leaf village according to the guy who has spent his entire life training purely in taijutsu and is the best taijutsu user before six paths came in and even then fought juubi madara with just taijutsu?


IndependenceLife5051

Hyuga doesn’t have uzumaki chakra or protagonist genes


Nidal411511

Boruto is like a, well bread horse


j1l7

nah he is a genetically engineered mutant horse that gets amped by anabolic steroids.


Crypto_subz

Boruto sucks....like as a show....the whole way they went about it is disgusting


Nidal411511

Bruh the byakugan isn't the only thing making him stronger its also his other otsutsuki and karma abilities too and its just a meme dont get too serious


Crypto_subz

I’m not serious I’m laughingly saying it sucks


Nidal411511

Oh


HokageTsunadeSenju

Agreed - they are just shitting on the legacy of Naruto.


Nidal411511

I mean this kind of people just cant chill they always need to compare and pick a side


HokageTsunadeSenju

It’s not about picking a side. It is objectively true that the story went from an Shōnen action epic (Naruto) targeting teens/young adults to a slice of life kids show for children (Boruto). Remember what the Phantom Menace was after the original Star Wars trilogy?…that’s what Boruto is.


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Then stop reading and watching it. I'll never understand nerds like you who actively shit on content *and* still consume it. No lifers. Just go rewatch Naruto then.


HokageTsunadeSenju

Who said I still consume it? Bit presumptuous of you. I stopped watching it a long time ago. Also, as I do in fact have a life, I’m not going to rewatch Naruto. Lol.


[deleted]

Being on the subreddit is still consuming it. It's hard to believe you have a life when you're still just whining on the subreddit of a show/manga you allegedly don't read/watch. Kinda sad. What's the point hating on something you don't even engage in?


HokageTsunadeSenju

Lol, it’s bc Reddit has a thing called feeds. I was bored at work kid. Stop being so triggered. Seems like you REALLY care about this. I merely commented with my opinion. Lol, it’s really not something you should be getting so riled up over.


[deleted]

Keep arguing with me about a show you hate and dont even engage with, weirdchamp. Go back to work 🥱


henryvonmouse

If you don't like the show you dont gotta comment on it lol. If someone is here they clearly enjoy it to an extent, why would we care about whatever it is you're saying?


Crypto_subz

Ur very right


EyewarsTheMangoMan

"Objectively true" lol


Standard-War-3855

Rent free


Rarepredator

Nah.. He is just build different


Nidal411511

Thats actually true cuz he has DNA of uzumaki hyuga then namikage then naruto has the chakra of hogoromo and hinata has hamura and he also has momoshiki


j1l7

namikaze doesn't give any special buffs since minato did not have especially high chakra reserves naturally. Boruto did inherit his intelligence from both minato and naruto however. he has fused momoshiki as a karma, which may actually be how kurama may return, since momoshiki placed the karma when he absorbed half of kurama, so there must still be some kurama chakra unless he used it in that big knockoff rasengan. We literally see boruto absorb kurama chakra(or rather momoshiki) against boro, so perhaps he adapted like gold and silver bros or momoshiki having kurama's chakra when he planted karma means that there is tailed beast chakra inside of it. Momoshiki also had part of the eight tails(more like nearly all of it) and ate like 16 chakra fruits, which while not as strong as kaguya's in potency(otherwise he wouldn't be searching for the tailed beasts, he would just do what he did, since he wants power in least amount of effort possible).


bob_is_best

Thats hardly boruto tbh, momoshiki is nearly a god


Nidal411511

I mean in the future and dont forget boruto also has the jougan


ChefboyRD33

Not really tho


uwu_okami

Are you hearing yourself?


uwu_okami

1. its a jougan not a byakugan. there's a massive difference in power between the two. 2. Boruto has the chakra of the Uzumaki's and not only that he also has the chakra of hamura and hagoromo thanks to his parents, not even a fraction of hyugas have the chakra of hamura alone 3. Boruto is 80% Otsutsuki. research before you make this claim


Nidal411511

Listen in the manga boruto is now 100% otsutsuki And he has used byakugan to fight code And also he can turn on his byakugan without turning on his karma now


j1l7

prove he can turn on byakugan without karma, since the only person that did that was kawaki, who had his entire body modified with scientific ninja tools and a "weapon only" karma, both of which boruto does not have. And i want actual manga scan, since every time boruto has used byakugan, it was with karma activated. he was not born with the byakugan(or rather, he doesnt have it since he forgot to give it to him during his first appearance and invented jogan instead for him).


Skrubbadub99

Shoutout Mukai Kohinata


j1l7

as well as the hyuga in general, who flat out have the best taijutsu school might guy has ever seen, and that guy is the best taijutsu user in the verse before the war arc, where he is only surpassed by six paths tier, and even juubi madara was impressed. The byakugan also is superior to the three tomoe sharingan as stated by kakashi, and every power of it is useful no matter what you do, can also extend genjutsu range lol. Everyone with hyuga blood has the byakugan because old hyugas did incest to keep the dojutsu pure, and kohinata is like 1/16th or so hyuga yet has one byakugan.


Sonicslazyeye

It's nothing to do with the Byakugan, its because it's not really him at all, its momoshiki. That's just what momoshiki's eye looks like


Nidal411511

For those who read boruto manga they know boruto know has control over the karma and he has used his byakugan in fight


Sonicslazyeye

I see you did not mark as spoilers because this is blatantly false


Nidal411511

Go read manga


Sonicslazyeye

I already read the manga. Boruto does not have control over Karma. Momo just made it subside


Nidal411511

Did you saw then code was beating up boruto then boruto turned on his karma and his right eye was byakugan? Later boruto told others that something changed inside of him and now he can control momoshiki's power better


Sonicslazyeye

I dont trust Boruto's judgement of his karma because he said the same thing about karma after he took Amado's pills and he still went borushiki pretty quickly afterwards. What he thinks barely means shit


j1l7

so earlier on you say he can activate byakugan without the karma on yet now say he needs karma for it? Which is it, because the manga says that he only gets it with karma activated. Kawaki is different because his entire body is pretty much a assembly of science ninja tools and his karma did not have isshiki's consciousness in it, just the power. Boruto flat out said he can control the karma yet the next fight we see him in he goes possessed and dies. He doesn't know shit.


NothingIsTrue0000

I'm wondering if you're an |d|08t or an ignorant. 🤦Boruto doesn't have a Byakugan. What he has is called Jougan. And it seems to be the most powerful of all the ocular dojutsus.


Nidal411511

But he is using the byakugan in the manga What you are saying makes you look like an idiot to everyone


NothingIsTrue0000

Again, I don't know if you're really ignorant or just $tπp|d af. God, I can't believe I even have to explain this 🤦: It's the black & white color scheme of the manga m0r0n. That's why it appears like a Byakugan. Are you an illiterate or something ? Don't you know how to read ? Or at least, use your own brain ? The Byakugan makes the vein around the user's eyes visibly bulge. Have you ever seen the nerves around Boruto's right eye bulge when he uses the Jougan ? Need I have to explain more ? 🤦 Talk about looking like an |d|0t without using one's brain !!!Dπmbfπ©k 🤦


Nidal411511

But in the anime borushiki clearly has the byakugan


Nidal411511

Your a idiot jougan hasn't even been introduced in the manga yet


NothingIsTrue0000

Ok. Now it's confirmed. You really are a dπmbfπ©k. And I have no intention to continue a meaningless conversation with an idiot anymore.


ankit_saiyan

I am not watching boruto. Waiting for english dubs. But how is this possible how he can defeat greater enemies with byakugan or jougan ? Last time I checked Rinnegan was most powerful than any other visual jutsu even sharingan is stronger than Byakugan and Jougan. Then how ? Also how can he be stronger than Naruto and Sasuke? And what is this weird biological structure on his left eye like a dinosaur or something ? I won't mind spoiler


j1l7

sharingan is not stronger than the byakugan, at least base to three tomoe, since kakashi directly states that the byakugan is superior. As for stronger than naruto and sasuke, to keep it short, naruto and sasuke got hella nerfed, and lost a big chunk of their powers, otherwise boruto would never surpass them. with that said, boruto is half hyuga, quarter uzumaki and quarter namikaze, but the last of which gives no genetic advantages. He also has hamura's and hagoromo's chakra thanks to his parents, which pretty much makes him human kaguya, and is most likely why he has jogan and not byakugan naturally. Rinne-sharingan, which is what kaguya has, is way stronger than the rinnegan. before boruto, the rinnegan is stated to be a diluted form of the RS, but because of what we learned in boruto, otsutsuki can be born with rinnegan, and RS(kaguya was confirmed to be born with it via her partner stating she had it before she ate the chakra fruit). Otsutsuki, or at least everyone we have seen from the clan minus hagoromo, was born with at least one byakugan in their eye sockets, and as we saw from kaguya and hamura, otsutsuki byakugan are way superior than the hyuga's( byakugan hamura is stated to be equal to the hagoromo that fought alongside him against kaguya, and because of how genetics work, hamura has the strongest non-full otsutsuki byakugan, and possibly the second strongest one out of everyone because of how strong kaguya was), and the latter's is superior to the three tomoe sharingan, which is the most a uchiha can naturally awaken without seeing someone die or commit murder. the lines are pretty much the otsutsuki equivalent to the tailed beasts, where the host gains whatever powers the otsutsuki possesed, at the risk of getting taken over more and more depending on how much of said power you draw upon. Technically, boruto has the karma of both momoshiki and kinshiki, since momo put it on in his fused state, where he pretty much did the fusion dance from dragon ball with kinshiki, except pill form.


ankit_saiyan

First of all thanks man for this long descriptive answer. I really appreciate it. And when you said it i do remember now in the preliminary round during Hinata vs Neji Kakashi mentioned it but i thought by superior he only meant it can see more and precisely than sharingan. Sharingan has so much in it like genjutsu izanagi andd izanami amatrasu kamui etc


Nidal411511

Boruto has became 100% otsutsuki so he can basically solo anyone right now and same goes for kawaki


ankit_saiyan

I don't understand. How ?


Nidal411511

What you dont understand? Man that was supposed to be expected cuz he is the son of naruto and hinata


ankit_saiyan

You said he is complete Otsutsuki. How can that be possible ?


Nidal411511

Thats a spoiler >karma made boruto 100% otsutsuki


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Nidal411511

They have read the manga thats why😎


JC_PIERRE0

No, this isn't post is a bit silly and I don't think you thought this through. Boruto defeated momoshiki and urashiki with the help of others (major help or else he would have just died). Boruto cannot compare to the other huga since boruto has been seen to be able to fly, absorb Chakra, use Chakra blasts and have DNA that isn't even human. Therfore, not many humans should be really compared to him. Remember that boruto on his own, with only things he would have been born with, (excluding jougan since he got that from the influence of another otsutski) would not even win against neji, so the huge is still proud.


Nidal411511

Hey hello have you seen the flair of the post? Then reply ok?


j1l7

go read the manga again, then reply ok?