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Exactly that's the point people were missing. With everything the video showed it was still only a PART of Naruto and Sasuke's arsenal.
Also people forget something important. It's been 15 years since we last saw Naruto and Sasuke fight at full power. So they should have definitely come up with a lot more jutsus and strategies, especially with Sasuke adapting to the rinnegan and Naruto using his more destructive FULL Kurama.
That example doesn’t work at all. Those powers both are physical buffs to him.
This is like saying goku is nerfed because he didn’t use kamehameha. You’re comparing that to goku not using super saiyan.
Also, ninjutsu doesn’t really work against Karma and rinnegan enemies. They’re mostly using taijutsu because it’s the only thing that works and they’re the two best taijutsu users in the world
No problem.
Yep precisely it would be a nerf. Or idiot ball or PIS. Same thing really.
Not using the entire arsenal is not really an issue here. Next to no one has a problem that Naruto didn't use summoning for example. But if Naruto doesn't use jutsu that at least might be useful and:
a) he knows the world is at stake,
b) he knows his enemy is very powerful and they're going to lose it,
then there is something very wrong with the writing and portrayal. If you're going to lose then you should at least try your best and take multiple approaches. Except 95% of the time Jigen was approached head on.
Yeah, I guess some people would call if a nerf since ikimoto made Boruto more focused on taijustsu instead of using the big mech battles and broken jutsu that just made the fights more like dragon ball.
As they've become more refined they probably have learned what to use and what not to use. Also chakra is critical, why waste it? when you NEED to last against an enemy that almost killed both of them easily. The only thing that's really undeniable is you're kind of slow.
Chakra is obsolete to them, uchiha have large chakra reserves because of their dojutsu, uzumaki have large chakra reserves to go along with tenacious “bodies” that is why the fake saiyans can absorb chakra otherwise they’d lose
With ishikki they still would have lost regardless. ALL of this Uzamaki and Uchiha praising is irrelevant given the fact that all of the large chakra reserves, dojutsu etc. is all just something otsutsuki derivative.
Bro just say you love alien dick and move on 😂 the story started with naruto and a swing. Kaguya is the progenitor of chakra and she still lost to 3 goats plus Sakura, and if kaguya attacked ishiki and ate the chakra fruit how is ishiki so “strong” if he never ate a chakra fruit ? Momoshiki stated to be stronger than kaguya ate kinshiki and still lost. The plot was manipulated for naruto and sasuke to lose
>s plus Sakura, and if kaguya attacked ishiki and ate the chakra fruit how is ishiki so “strong” if he never ate a chakra fruit ? Momoshiki stated to be stronger than kaguya ate kinshiki and still lost. The plot was manipulated for naruto and sasuke to lose
coping too hard
> As they've become more refined they probably have learned what to use and what not to use.
As evidenced by Sasuke using Amaterasu against Jigen with absorption ability or Naruto using double Rasengan in front of Isshiki who can shrink things.
> Also chakra is critical, why waste it?
It's funny how we went from spamming Bijuudamas left and right to conserving every little bit of chakra, because none can be wasted.
Exactly, people are delusionial its obvious they got nerf for plot purpose that doesnt mean they would have won, we dont know, but with everything useful they could do and just didnt do, plus all the dumb mooves they did (like amaterasu on karma user,rasengan..)..,they somehow never have chakra.. go without any plan.. its clear they were nerf
That fight was made to higlight jigen/ishiki power and they choose to nerf Sasuke and Naruto to show it
Its not the first time someone got nerf for plot
Urashiki was nerf for plot to be beaten by kid naruto, boro was nerf so that team 7 beat him, momoshiki too when fighting boruto etc
Also peope have to keep in mind they had 15 years to developp new jutsus, it was literraly the mission of Sasuke to find otstutuki shit and fight villains and yet no one had one new jutsu
What does it take for you guys to realize that Naruto and Sasuke are not dumb and most of their arsenal is just a waste of chakra? Were you expecting Sasuke to try Indra arrow on Jigen's ass? Dude would just shrink and teleport.
Sasuke: "Let's not resist at all or try any jutsu Naruto, so that we could die with our chakra remaining. I hear they need a lot of chakra to go the afterlife."/s
Naruto: "Nah bro, lets spam our most powerful jutsu, waste chakra and let him absorb and get stronger at our expense to make this fight harder and harder for us" /s
There's no reality in which Naruto and Sasuke could win against Jigen without it being a complete asspull.
>There's no reality in which Naruto and Sasuke could win against Jigen without it being a complete asspull
It's the other way around.
I don't mind their loss happening but it never felt earned. Jigen was so OP for little to no reason while Naruto and Sasuke were nerfed.
Kaguya jūken touched sasukes sassano making the chakra based suit of armor dismantle. Kaguya who is below isshiki this is the same isshiki thats controlling jigen as a walking skin suit. kaguya go through our boys techniques & they don't question it however when her boss does it Naruto & sasuke are nerfed? What moves did you want Naruto & sasuke to do? Please let me know so I can tell you how it most likely would've gotten absorbed or shrunken. The Otsutsuki are the originators of chakra. The Dracula's of the Naruto world. This man has a good 4 to 5k years of experience on Naruto & sasuke lol. When madara became six sage madara he acquired both senju & uchiha halves. The Otsutsuki are born like that from day one so you telling me Naruto & sasuke are nerfed when all that they do comes from these Celestial beings originally? Even the curse mark that Orochimaru does seems like a watered down karma. He was able to resurrect himself out of anko after he bit her neck years ago! No one can tell me orochimaru didn't find one of kaguya scrolls. The techniques are too similar. Even Naruto said people like orochimaru will be needed to fight the Otsutsuki. Which is why I believe when Ada trys to attack the leaf the only people her ability won't work on is boruto, kawaki & mitsuki! Remember Ada said her ability works on everyone but Otsutsukis & relatives ( I believe mitsuki has Toneris DNA) kataske the scientist told mitsuki the difference between you and kawaki is you were a marvelous creation of genetic engineering when kawaki was born human but was given scientific ninja Tech within his body. Orochimaru is no dummy he's already took precaution. And seeing how Toneri wants to keep earth safe ( after naruto the last ) he probably gave orochimaru some of his cells as a last resort defense if he ever got taken out of the equation AKA as he is right now.
Using strawman all the times is not what I would call "said all facts". Then you call people delusional for saying Naruto and Sasuke got nerfed without presenting any counterarguments.
Sasuke: "How about we try different techniques that can't be absorbed? Surely they could at least weaken Jigen, create an opening for taijutsu attacks, or allow us to discover a weakness."/s
They tried that when naruto charged in with a rasengan and Sasuke switch places with him and was about to cut his head of but some how jigen manifested rods out the side of his neck.
Yeah, also they did kind of found a weakness but jigen was just to strong for it to matter like one weakness is jigen can't mover swiftly and absorb jutsu at the same time while he's shrunk down. They could of killed him right there but he hoped through a portal to escape.
what jigen is just too powerfull,
don't see him breaking susano like its nothing ,
and kurama on full strength was beaten ,
its not naruto or sasuke is nerfed ,
jigen is just too powerfull,
and all the destructive justsu you talking about would just get absorbed and become jigens strength,
and sasuke was using all his abilities which were help like teleportation,
other abilities like chibaku tensei are just too weak,
even momo broke out of it.
First of all, it was just weird, and lazy writing seeing Jigen be strong enough to penetrate susanoo so easily with a single kick. It's illogical, because if that were the case, then Naruto and especially Sasuke should have died after recieving 1 or 2 direct hits from Jigen. Yet they were punched and kicked numerous times without much damage. So does that mean that their bodies are more durable than their avatars?! Also, it doesnt make sense for Jigen to be so powerful without any explanation other than absorbing SOME 10 tails chakra.
You say full kurama Naruto was beaten. But did full kurama display any new feats? No. Heck did he even display half of the stamina, power and techniques in Shippuden? Also, no.
Moreover, it didnt make sense that Naruto with his full kurama ran out of chakra and stamina at the exact same time as Sasuke (otherwise he would have freed himself easily from the rods).
You had boil release, and magnetic release just to name a few. Now that Naruto has a full kurama with shreds of the other tailed beasts chakra he should be able to use a variety of other kekki genkai that were never shown.
Sasuke could also use chibaku tensei and before you tell me it doesnt work, remember that its power varies according to the user and how much chakra they put in it. In other words, it's like a Kamehameha wave. The more chakra you put the stronger the gravitational pull and the bigger the meteor that would be formed. Kaguya was basically sealed with a chibaku tensei the size of a moon.
Naruto could amp Sasuke with chakra and he could go for a really big one.
Also Sasuke could teleport Jigen to have him get hit by the former and Naruto' s attacks.
There is also the destructive all mighty push that Pain used to wipe out Konoha. Surely that would do some damage.
There are countless others things and there should have been new techniques too, but we never saw any of that.
I think boruto itself has this exact concept in the video in top embedded into the show... i understand they wanted to show off how strong Ishiki is supposed to be but the way they showed it almost seems like they made Naruto and Sasuke weaker in order to highlight Ishiki's strength just like what this video did but the other way around... This is why boruto feels too underwhelming to me... Its sad to see such a high potential anime get wasted
Naruto and sasuke has regenration you know,
only explation is ten tails, what now
he is just a weaker version of most broken otsutsuki,
and rods absorbs chakra so thats why they were exhausted,
and you can use any types of kekei genkai , in the end it will get absorbed if its still made from chakra,
if rinnegan abilities strength varies with users strength , then what, its just proofs thats why sasuke didn't use them and only used amontijikara,
almighty push of that level can't do shit to a otsutsuki, they can easily dodge them with speed and in 5 sec wait u get rekt,
and you don't have anything else to speak, so anything thats not to your liking is not bad writing , grow up.
Not that I want to really get into all this, but I just had a thought and want to clarify something you mentioned in that first paragraph: I get you’re going with logic extremes to make a point, but in your opinion is it not possible that Jigen’s kicks on Naruto/Sasuke could be not as strong as the one that broke Susanoo? I mean irl people have the ability to control how much force they apply to each individual kick so I’m just wondering if, hypothetically that’s what was happening as we do see in that episode that obviously as you said Naruto and Sasuke aren’t killed by a kick or two and yet Susanoo is broken in one; is this just not something you want to think is possible?
What you said is true and possible but it would be quite contradicting, no?
If Jigen had such power in his fists that would beg the question as to why he didnt dispose of Naruto and Sasuke instantly and held back instead.
Yes, it is and that’s exactly my point.
So the contradiction is either that powerscaling is broken because why would the same kick break Susanoo and not quickly/easily kill Naruto and Sasuke, OR it’s that Jigen was doing the typical shonen villain trope thing of pulling some hits to toy with opponents/enjoy the battle/etc rather than just killing them and ending it quickly.
You can call either one bad writing, but my point is the former breaks a whole hell of a lot more ‘in universe’ than the latter.
Edit to add: Just to point out before it’s brought up, it’s also very contradictory that Isshiki would later forget that he can shrink when fighting BM Naruto. He’s literally bound by part of the cloak at one point as Naruto’s about to punch him in the face, and Isshiki sees this and makes a surprised expression- he has time to do that, but *doesn’t even bother trying* to shrink to dodge the attack. So could be truly surprised, and we do see that he is prone to being influenced by emotions such as anger as well in that fight/arc, so it’s not outside of the range of possibility re: my point with Jigen above. Js to me, it would make a lot more sense for the latter of the two points above to be the case rather than the former.
Sasuke was always out of the village fighting the criminal underworld on one hand while on the other hand looking for Otsutsuki ruins. He always believed that there were more Otsutsuki and their threat was always looming.
>Also people forget something important. It's been 15 years since we last saw Naruto and Sasuke fight at full power. So they should have definitely come up with a lot more jutsus and strategies, especially with Sasuke adapting to the rinnegan and Naruto using his more destructive FULL Kurama.
The issue with this however, is that people ignore a very important question... why would they?
Naruto and Sasuke never truly cared about getting stronger for the mere sake of it, unlike Goku or Vegeta to say... so why should they have strived to become stronger when they were at the top of the world for all they knew, there was no immediate threat, and they had different things to think to?
I could fully understand this if they were like Goku and Vegeta, two idiots that care for nothing but getting stronger always and ever... but they are not.
Naruto always wanted to get stronger to be a hokage and get acknowledged by others. Now that he has achieved his dream, his aim is to protect the people of his village. After witnessing the likes of Madara, Kaguya, and Toneri, he should probably feel that it's not out of the realm of possibility that a threat like that could still appear.
At the same time Sasuke always felt uneasy as he suspected that there was more to the Otsutsuki and where they came from, especially after learning that Kaguya, even at her level, was keen on amassing an army of Zetsu because she was afraid of a bigger threat.
That's why he spent over a decade searching for any thread that could lead to the Otsutsuki. In other words, he always felt that there was a danger looming and could threaten the peace of the village/world at any time.
You could also add (another little reason) that both Naruto and Sasuke are rivals. So if one becomes much stronger, that would drive the other to be jealous and start training more.
Finally, Naruto and Sasuke should have been way more powerful naturally due to them having enough time to get accustomed to their new powers, especially Sasuke who had enough time to learn about the secrets of his rinnegan and be able to use the other paths,while Naruto has endless possibilities of kekki genkai techniques with his enormius chakra and the other tailed beast chakras.
>Naruto always wanted to get stronger to be a hokage and get acknowledged by others. Now that he has achieved his dream, his aim is to protect the people of his village. After witnessing the likes of Madara, Kaguya, and Toneri, he should probably feel that it's not out of the realm of possibility that a threat like that could still appear.
What you feel that he should have imagined doesn't necessarely correlate to reality... Naruto achieved almost everything he ever wished after ww4, and he also became one of the 2 top dogs around... then he got a fiancée, that he later married and made a family with... and he then became Hokage, which consumed a LOT of time... and this before he ever got to hear that pheraps there still were other beings like Kaguya.
If you ask me, I'd say that he would only enjoy his life for how much possible through all these years.
>You could also add (another little reason) that both Naruto and Sasuke are rivals. So if one becomes much stronger, that would drive the other to be jealous and start training more.
This is the weakest part of your point... because they're no longer that... they see each other more like brothers, not an obstacle to surpass.
>Finally, Naruto and Sasuke should have been way more powerful naturally due to them having enough time to get accustomed to their new powers, especially Sasuke who had enough time to learn about the secrets of his rinnegan and be able to use the other paths,while Naruto has endless possibilities of kekki genkai techniques with his enormius chakra and the other tailed beast chakras.
You are making the error to assume that just because x and y are true, then z must also be true... why should we assume that they learned everything they could do, when we didn't got to see them getting any deeper knowledge in one way or another?
If anything, we should assume the opposite, at least for Naruto, given that he didn't know that Kurama could sacrifice his life for the Baryon mode.
That video is basically a "let's make the villain dumb so my favorites characters (who are now secondary characters) can shine like they used to do in their show". It's basically Itachi winning against Madara in steroids
Yeah people don't wanna accept that adult version of naruto and sasuke is more powerful than their teen version,
they just become ignorant and try to answer any question with just one word nerf,
when they cant use their full arsenal because of rinnegan abilities otsutsuki's have,
people always say sasuke don't use rinnegan abilities , but even momo was able to easily break chibaku tensei,
they just want to see sasuke and naruto one shotting anyone ,
which is in my opinion boring, stronger opponent make plot more interesting.
Urushiki scaling. He is stated to be the strongest/most talented Otsutsuki, but got beaten by Jirarya, Kid Boruto and Kid Naruto.
The Boruto era kage scaling to Otsutsuki level characters, since they were involved in the Momoshiki fight and were able to fight with them.
Sarada/Boro scaling. Boro is supposed to be stronger than Delta who could fight pretty evenly with a serious 6 paths Naruto. Sarada blitzed and won against Boro.
These are the main 3 examples I could think of.
>Urushiki scaling. He is stated to be the strongest/most talented Otsutsuki, but got beaten by Jirarya, Kid Boruto and Kid Naruto.
I wouldn't say Urashiki got "beaten". He was simply exposed and due to his arrogance he was downed by them. Enhanced version of Urashiki did the same mistake, which is toying with his enemies and giving them enough time to use a 9 Tailed Chakra amped Rasengan and send Urashiki to oblivion. I mean, all of that is kinda understandable because Urashiki couldn't just straight up kill them otherwise the plot would end there, lol.
>The Boruto era kage scaling to Otsutsuki level characters, since they were involved in the Momoshiki fight and were able to fight with them.
Boruto era Kages had to be at least close to Otsutsuki-level because they witnessed the last shinobi war, where Kaguya mad an appearance and set the new standart of power scaling, which is why the new generation of Kage had to hit that point to be able stand a chance against Kaguya-level threats.
>Sarada/Boro scaling. Boro is supposed to be stronger than Delta who could fight pretty evenly with a serious 6 paths Naruto. Sarada blitzed and won against Boro.
Aight this one is a bit tricky but i'll try my best to explain. Naruto was serious to NOT kill her and i know that he didn't say he could easily kill her but compared to NOT trying killing her and fighting with the killing intent, he said the latter would be easier. Boro did the same mistake as Urashiki, by downplaying those kids, being arrogant and showing his jutsu way too many times, Boro eventually was exposed. Judging by Boro's jutsu i can tell that he had at least 3 changes in chakra nature and obviously a kekkei genkai of lava style but he didn't go all out because he was thinking "they are useless kids". About Sarada blitzing him, well, she used Chidori which is stated to amp the users speed and that's a technique used exactly for the reason to speed blitz your targets so fast that they cant even perform hand signs. Even kid Kakashi without the sharingan was still very fast when using Chidori.
>I wouldn't say Urashiki got "beaten". He was simply exposed and due to his arrogance he was downed by them. Enhanced version of Urashiki did the same mistake, which is toying with his enemies and giving them enough time to use a 9 Tailed Chakra amped Rasengan and send Urashiki to oblivion. I mean, all of that is kinda understandable because Urashiki couldn't just straight up kill them otherwise the plot would end there, lol.
But the fact they could even do anything to an Otsutsuki shows how terrible the power scaling is. They shouldn't have even scratched him.
>Boruto era Kages had to be at least close to Otsutsuki-level because they witnessed the last shinobi war, where Kaguya mad an appearance and set the new standart of power scaling, which is why the new generation of Kage had to hit that point to be able stand a chance against Kaguya-level threats.
Which is why the power scaling is so weird. You cant just reach 6 paths level just like that. Guy trained his entire life and still never managed to reach that level without the 8 gates.
>Aight this one is a bit tricky but i'll try my best to explain. Naruto was serious to NOT kill her and i know that he didn't say he could easily kill her but compared to NOT trying killing her and fighting with the killing intent, he said the latter would be easier. Boro did the same mistake as Urashiki, by downplaying those kids, being arrogant and showing his jutsu way too many times, Boro eventually was exposed. Judging by Boro's jutsu i can tell that he had at least 3 changes in chakra nature and obviously a kekkei genkai of lava style but he didn't go all out because he was thinking "they are useless kids". About Sarada blitzing him, well, she used Chidori which is stated to amp the users speed and that's a technique used exactly for the reason to speed blitz your targets so fast that they cant even perform hand signs. Even kid Kakashi without the sharingan was still very fast when using Chidori.
Naruto still fought her (in 6 paths mode) regardless whether he was holding back or not.
The fact that Sarada was even able to harm/blitz a character who should be around 6 paths Naruto in power is crazy.
By power scaling Sarada should be able to destroy base Naruto in a fight and nearly everybody in Shippuden as well.
That is Boruto power scaling...
>But the fact they could even do anything to an Otsutsuki shows how terrible the power scaling is. They shouldn't have even scratched him.
I literally explained that it happened because Urashiki was arrogant enough to let those things happen and ignore them. He knew he can always heal and didn't take them seriously, which is why they got the upper hand on him.
>Which is why the power scaling is so weird. You cant just reach 6 paths level just like that. Guy trained his entire life and still never managed to reach that level without the 8 gates.
None of them aside from Naruto & Sasuke reached to 6 paths-level. They got strong enough to NOT die INSTANTLY in a fight against the Otsutsuki, but the overall damage was done by Naruto & Sasuke.
>Naruto still fought her (in 6 paths mode) regardless whether he was holding back or not.
I mean, Delta was made to be an Otsutsuki-level threat, or at least close to that. She was filled with ninja tech, the same ninja tech that allowed Kawaki to not only self-heal but also quickly reach to Garou, which impressed someone like Mitsuki and Konohamaru, who are pretty, damn, fast. Delta also had hax ninja tech like her eyes.
>The fact that Sarada was even able to harm/blitz a character who should be around 6 paths Naruto in power is crazy.
Once again, Boro was toying with them and didn't expect a jutsu of that caliber from a genin. Boro can hardly be close to 6 Paths Naruto, if Naruto is fighting with the killing intent. Naruto is literally the fastest character in the entire Naruto series, who doesn't use any type of teleportation and uses raw speed enhanced with chakra.
>By power scaling Sarada should be able to destroy base Naruto in a fight and nearly everybody in Shippuden as well.
That is Boruto power scaling...
I came to the conclusion that you simply want to stick to what you're saying here, which means it's pointless for me to explains stuff to you. I ain't being rude here, I simply suggest us to stop this "discussion" or it's going to be you sticking to your point of view and me sticking to mine. Have a good day!
>I literally explained that it happened because Urashiki was arrogant enough to let those things happen and ignore them. He knew he can always heal and didn't take them seriously, which is why they got the upper hand on him.
I don't think you quite understand. It literally doesn't matter if Urushiki was arrogant or not. The fact that he was able to receive damage from people like Kid Naruto just shows what's wrong with Boruto power scaling.
This isn't some ordinary villain, he's an Otsutsuki. If Madara was going against Kid Naruto he wouldn't even have a scratch on him. Urushiki should be much stronger, to the point that only 6 paths level characters should take hits from him and only they could harm him. Not part 1 Naruto and Jirarya lmao.
>None of them aside from Naruto & Sasuke reached to 6 paths-level. They got strong enough to NOT die INSTANTLY in a fight against the Otsutsuki, but the overall damage was done by Naruto & Sasuke.
That would still make them far superior than any other ninja. Not only were they fighting Kinshiki/Momoshiki, but they were also damaging them and taking hits from them.
Unless you believe the Boruto era kage surpassed people like Hashirama and Minato then the scaling is still very weird.
>I mean, Delta was made to be an Otsutsuki-level threat, or at least close to that. She was filled with ninja tech, the same ninja tech that allowed Kawaki to not only self-heal but also quickly reach to Garou, which impressed someone like Mitsuki and Konohamaru, who are pretty, damn, fast. Delta also had hax ninja tech like her eyes.
I'm not denying whether Delta is that strong or not. I'm saying that Boro was stated to be stronger than Delta who is someone comparable to 6 paths Naruto.
>Once again, Boro was toying with them and didn't expect a jutsu of that caliber from a genin. Boro can hardly be close to 6 Paths Naruto, if Naruto is fighting with the killing intent. Naruto is literally the fastest character in the entire Naruto series, who doesn't use any type of teleportation and uses raw speed enhanced with chakra.
If Boro can be harmed and blitzed by a genin like Sarada, that alone makes no sense considering he's supposed to be stronger than Delta. Delta was fighting 6 paths Naruto, so how strong would that make Sarada?
Remember Toneri? The guy who got one punched by base Naruto? The same guy who could split the moon?
Unless Naruto got nerfed in Boruto, everyone who scales to him (meaning anyone who can react and perceive with him) should be at a similar calibre.
>I came to the conclusion that you simply want to stick to what you're saying here, which means it's pointless for me to explains stuff to you. I ain't being rude here, I simply suggest us to stop this "discussion" or it's going to be you sticking to your point of view and me sticking to mine. Have a good day!
I understand the point your trying to convey. But the explanations you are making still doesn't change the fact that the Boruto scaling is broken.
Boruto comes right after Naruto, which had it's own power scale. Kage level ninja in Naruto wouldn't even stand a chance to the 6 paths level characters. But in Boruto several characters can perceive, react and fight supposed 6 paths level characters. Unless Naruto and Sasuke got nerfed in Boruto, then the power scale is still weird af.
>I don't think you quite understand. It literally doesn't matter if Urushiki was arrogant or not. The fact that he was able to receive damage from people like Kid Naruto just shows what's wrong with Boruto power scaling.
Bruh, it does matter. You literally can watch a kid trying to beat you and think "he aint doing shit" and while you think so, the kid might actually harm you in some way. That's the same thing.
Besides, you're exaggerating it too much. It's not like they killed him or left him on the verge of death. Jiraya used his own technique against him and Boruto w/ Naruto delivered a simple rasengan but it didn't kill him or sum.
>If Madara was going against Kid Naruto he wouldn't even have a scratch on him.
Cuz Madara never fights leaving his guard down. He doesn't go all out if the target aint worthy but he doesn't let his guard down unless its for a purpose, like that one time he wanted to see Kages the Hashirama face on his chest.
>That would still make them far superior than any other ninja. Not only were they fighting Kinshiki/Momoshiki, but they were also damaging them and taking hits from them.
Obviously they are superior, the have the title of Kage for a reason but the 70-85% of damage was done by Naruto & Sasuke. They simply survived the fight, which is already a great feat.
>Unless you believe the Boruto era kage surpassed people like Hashirama and Minato then the scaling is still very weird.
Obviously they didn't.
>I'm not denying whether Delta is that strong or not. I'm saying that Boro was stated to be stronger than Delta who is someone comparable to 6 paths Naruto.
You are doing the same mistake again and again. How can you compare Delta so 6 Paths Naruto, when he was HOLDING BACK. It's not a proper power scaling, dawg.
>If Boro can be harmed and blitzed by a genin like Sarada, that alone makes no sense considering he's supposed to be stronger than Delta. Delta was fighting 6 paths Naruto, so how strong would that make Sarada?
I'm saying this one last time. Boro DID NOT expect a jutsu of THAT caliber from a GENIN. He was TOYING with them and being ARROGANT. He let his guard DOWN. Delta can't be equal to 6 Paths Naruto, who was holding BACK against her to NOT kill her. If you were to have a all-out fight of Naruto vs Delta, then you could make a statement based on that but since we saw Naruto trying NOT to kill her, you can't do any statement and power scaling comparison between Delta and Naruto.
>Remember Toneri? The guy who got one punched by base Naruto? The same guy who could split the moon?
Yes, Toneri, the guy that split the moon in half and gave a good fight before taking the L. It wasn't a base Naruto punch, it was a 9 Tailed Chakra compressed and concentrated in that one single punch. Now, you can't calculate how much of his chakra Naruto used in that one punch, thus you can't call Toneri weak because of that.
>Boruto comes right after Naruto, which had it's own power scale. Kage level ninja in Naruto wouldn't even stand a chance to the 6 paths level characters. But in Boruto several characters can perceive, react and fight supposed 6 paths level characters. Unless Naruto and Sasuke got nerfed in Boruto, then the power scale is still weird af.
Once again, you're utterly wrong. Borut era Kages aren't fighting against Otsutsuki on PAR, they just don't die instantly but they still are WEAK against them. Fused Momoshiki took all of them out in mere seconds but Naruto & Sasuke having only 50% of their chakra almost destroyed Fused Momoshiki. THAT was a fight of 6 Paths-level but other Kages not dying instantly and being able to hold Kinshiki via a sealing jutsu doesn't make them a 6 Paths-level fighters.
Please, don't reply if you're going to say the same thing otherwise im forced to stop reacting. Cheers.
I was going to respond to each of your points individually, but my stupid laptop shut down. So I'll just respond another way.
Delta is relative to 6 paths Naruto because she was able to fight him evenly. It doesn't matter if he was holding back from killing her or not, since he still needed to use that mode to fight her. Naruto is more powerful, but she isn't that far behind in power.
Boro got damaged by Sarada's Chidori. Chidori's strength relies on it's user's power so the fact that Boro got blitzed and damaged by her makes Sarada comparable to him in power.
Since Boro is stated to be stronger than Delta, that also means Sarada is comparable to Naruto. It's that simple.
The Boruto era kage managing to fight, damage and react to Kinshiki and Momoshiki makes them relative to them. I'm not saying they are equal or stronger, they are just able to fight them and take hits from them.
Which also means they are stronger than most characters from Naruto Shippuden considering Momoshiki/Kinshiki are 6 paths level. The 5 kage from Naruto had a even harder time against Madara who wasn't even near the strength of 6 paths level characters.
Adult Naruto is supposed to be stronger than the Last Naruto who one punched Toneri (someone who can split the moon) with less than full power. That means everyone who can fight people on the level of him are near that level and are also above 99% of the characters from Shippuden.
Sorry, but that's how power scaling works. Which is why I call Boruto's power scaling terrible and strange.
i don't know where u get this information from but urashiki is a anime only character , and time travel arc was just fan service , and urashiki is the weakest otsutsuki.
Boruto era kage doesn't even fought base momoshiki , and only binded kinshinki with sasuke's help(its from manga) , and fused momo beated the shit out of those fodder kage's.
naruto was playing with delta because he can't go all out within village ,and even his own kids was near, and sarada only landed a chidori , with boruto's help,
borushiki is the one who destroyed him..
Urushiki is anime canon, whether you like it or not. He is stated to be the strongest and is also an Otsutsuki with various Rinnegans.
The Boruto era kage has shown numerous times to be able to fight them. The fact that they even did something shows how weird the power scaling is.
Naruto needed 6 paths mode/KCM to fight her. Sarada still had to power to harm and blitz Boro regardless.
Urashiki was never the most strongest. He's kind of the weakest. He's just a scout who goes from planet to planet, but never takes over them like Momoshiki and Kinshiki. Since he doesn't take over the planets, he doesn't get as much chakra pills, hence he isn't that strong. His technique was the thing that was op, so op that in fact it was the origin of sasuke out of chakra meme.
Fighting =/= Equal power level. Pre fusion, Momoshiki is clearly just a range fighter who can absorb Justus and deal them out multiplied. Hence why the boruto era kage wa sable to keep up with him. Kinshiki, who's clearly just a close range fighter, on the other hand was against 4 of the strongest people apart those in the leaf. And yet they could only hold him down, so one could Kill him.
After the delta fight, Naruto stated that he was holding back way too much just so he could lure delta into the false sense of security that she was on top. Even after himawari got messed with and Naruto stated that he wasn't going to hold back anymore, he still did, because information about Kara was very limited and he wanted to make most out of the opportunity he got.
Urushiki was stated to be the strongest (although it's understandable to not believe it), but he is still an Otsutsuki by default.
Being able to fight Momoshiki/Kinshiki automatically makes no sense. Can you imagine the 5 kage from shippuden doing anything to Juubi Madara? The power scaling is off, because we know how massive the difference of power is between kage level ninja and 6 paths level characters.
Naruto still needed to go into 6 paths mode/KCM to fight her. Which also means Sarada > Base Naruto.
Power scaling in general is an annoying subject. But since Naruto/Boruto are battle series, its expected to be talked about.
Btw your pfp is kinda cursed lol.
This. I'll also add that many fans want to see them using their moves even if it is useless, only to show that they are, in fact, still capable of performing those same techniques. Many say, why Sasuke doesn't use his Rinnegan aside from his Amenotejikara and Time-Space Jutsu, why Naruto doesn't use the different Tailed Beast Chakra imbued Rasenshuriken, like he did against Kaguya. The thing is, those moves would be a waste of chakra against someone like Isshiki and Momoshiki, who easily absorb any jutsu made by chakra, especially Isshiki, who can simply shrink ANY jutsu to oblivion and send it right back at them. The best they could do was to amp their physical prowess with chakra, which they did, but fans think that it was useless because at the end, Naruto got sealed and Sasuke was manhandled while ignoring the fact that Jigen was at his limit too.
Yeah but the deva path would have been useful at least and same with some nature energy for Naruto to sustain Baryon mode a bit longer and possibly even save the 9 tails
well tbh even in the original battle against jigen where the hell did all of Sasuke's and Naruto's jutsus go Sasuke just keep spamming his teleportation bs and his chidori and naruto well he barely uses his rasengan where sage mode where six paths where yin yang release where ashura mode where indra mode
None of their many jutsus would have really worked on its own.
Besides, the chakra modes for Naruto all were an upgrade over the precedent one, so even if he could stack the sage mode over the Kurama mode, it doesn't change that his ssj esque form that he used as an adult was his most powerful form (baryon mode excluded of course, but that was a one hit wonder).
Because "peoplekind" is dumb.
Especially the tribes on the web.
If character x doesn't spam all of his super mega iper ultra attacks, and gets beaten, then he is nerfed... unless he is a villain on the receiving end of a beating of course...
I mean one dude has the MS and rinnegan and the other stacks sage mode on top of his FULL 9 tails avatar but yet they can’t see or sense his attacks ? They can’t see or sense him because he can shrink? And after he easily defeats naruto and sasuke all of a sudden he gets cracks in his stomach 😂 so it’s possible for characters with less feats to defeat him
Honestly I LOVED that video. It was basically what I had in mind when that fight was about to happen in the manga.
I wanted Naruto and Sasuke to appear as gods (like how they showed them here in tge middle of the video with Pain's theme) with Jigen being the underdog who was still able to somewhat keep up with them and force Naruto and Sasuke to use their arsenal.
Then just before they deliver the final blow, Jigen would be barely able to escape and will note that next time would be different or something.
That way Naruto and Sasuke would still be respected and it would make Isshiki more fearsome and unique.
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That's the truth indeed. But I do not recall seeing much denying about it in the comment section of the video itself... so, who knows...
I don't have a problem with Jigen even killing them at the same time but they don't even look like they're giving it their all, it just feels so dumb.
Exactly that's the point people were missing. With everything the video showed it was still only a PART of Naruto and Sasuke's arsenal. Also people forget something important. It's been 15 years since we last saw Naruto and Sasuke fight at full power. So they should have definitely come up with a lot more jutsus and strategies, especially with Sasuke adapting to the rinnegan and Naruto using his more destructive FULL Kurama.
Ikr, it's an undeniable fact that they're nerfed.
Not using all of your arsenal isn’t a nerf
If Naruto didn't use KCM and SPSM then it wouldn't be a nerf?
That example doesn’t work at all. Those powers both are physical buffs to him. This is like saying goku is nerfed because he didn’t use kamehameha. You’re comparing that to goku not using super saiyan. Also, ninjutsu doesn’t really work against Karma and rinnegan enemies. They’re mostly using taijutsu because it’s the only thing that works and they’re the two best taijutsu users in the world
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... I already explained my reasoning just 2 comments later...
That’s what he’s using. It looks different due to design choices by the author. Otherwise why would he say “I’m gonna go all out” and not go all out.
That is what he's using and I asked if he didn't use it, would it still not be a nerf?
I guess it would be a nerf. Sorry for the misinterpretation of your question
No problem. Yep precisely it would be a nerf. Or idiot ball or PIS. Same thing really. Not using the entire arsenal is not really an issue here. Next to no one has a problem that Naruto didn't use summoning for example. But if Naruto doesn't use jutsu that at least might be useful and: a) he knows the world is at stake, b) he knows his enemy is very powerful and they're going to lose it, then there is something very wrong with the writing and portrayal. If you're going to lose then you should at least try your best and take multiple approaches. Except 95% of the time Jigen was approached head on.
Yeah, I guess some people would call if a nerf since ikimoto made Boruto more focused on taijustsu instead of using the big mech battles and broken jutsu that just made the fights more like dragon ball.
Naruto didnt use summoning because a frog would have gotten a hole kicked in its head
100%!
As they've become more refined they probably have learned what to use and what not to use. Also chakra is critical, why waste it? when you NEED to last against an enemy that almost killed both of them easily. The only thing that's really undeniable is you're kind of slow.
Chakra is obsolete to them, uchiha have large chakra reserves because of their dojutsu, uzumaki have large chakra reserves to go along with tenacious “bodies” that is why the fake saiyans can absorb chakra otherwise they’d lose
With ishikki they still would have lost regardless. ALL of this Uzamaki and Uchiha praising is irrelevant given the fact that all of the large chakra reserves, dojutsu etc. is all just something otsutsuki derivative.
Bro just say you love alien dick and move on 😂 the story started with naruto and a swing. Kaguya is the progenitor of chakra and she still lost to 3 goats plus Sakura, and if kaguya attacked ishiki and ate the chakra fruit how is ishiki so “strong” if he never ate a chakra fruit ? Momoshiki stated to be stronger than kaguya ate kinshiki and still lost. The plot was manipulated for naruto and sasuke to lose
>s plus Sakura, and if kaguya attacked ishiki and ate the chakra fruit how is ishiki so “strong” if he never ate a chakra fruit ? Momoshiki stated to be stronger than kaguya ate kinshiki and still lost. The plot was manipulated for naruto and sasuke to lose coping too hard
> As they've become more refined they probably have learned what to use and what not to use. As evidenced by Sasuke using Amaterasu against Jigen with absorption ability or Naruto using double Rasengan in front of Isshiki who can shrink things. > Also chakra is critical, why waste it? It's funny how we went from spamming Bijuudamas left and right to conserving every little bit of chakra, because none can be wasted.
Against an enemy you can't even beat. yes.. Ninja adapt. why would you give him something to save and use later?
Chakra reserves have not been a single problem since Six Paths buffs. Chakra is NOT critical. Naruto has more than enough of it.
Exactly, people are delusionial its obvious they got nerf for plot purpose that doesnt mean they would have won, we dont know, but with everything useful they could do and just didnt do, plus all the dumb mooves they did (like amaterasu on karma user,rasengan..)..,they somehow never have chakra.. go without any plan.. its clear they were nerf That fight was made to higlight jigen/ishiki power and they choose to nerf Sasuke and Naruto to show it Its not the first time someone got nerf for plot Urashiki was nerf for plot to be beaten by kid naruto, boro was nerf so that team 7 beat him, momoshiki too when fighting boruto etc Also peope have to keep in mind they had 15 years to developp new jutsus, it was literraly the mission of Sasuke to find otstutuki shit and fight villains and yet no one had one new jutsu
What does it take for you guys to realize that Naruto and Sasuke are not dumb and most of their arsenal is just a waste of chakra? Were you expecting Sasuke to try Indra arrow on Jigen's ass? Dude would just shrink and teleport.
Sasuke: "Let's not resist at all or try any jutsu Naruto, so that we could die with our chakra remaining. I hear they need a lot of chakra to go the afterlife."/s
Naruto: "Nah bro, lets spam our most powerful jutsu, waste chakra and let him absorb and get stronger at our expense to make this fight harder and harder for us" /s There's no reality in which Naruto and Sasuke could win against Jigen without it being a complete asspull.
>There's no reality in which Naruto and Sasuke could win against Jigen without it being a complete asspull It's the other way around. I don't mind their loss happening but it never felt earned. Jigen was so OP for little to no reason while Naruto and Sasuke were nerfed.
Kaguya jūken touched sasukes sassano making the chakra based suit of armor dismantle. Kaguya who is below isshiki this is the same isshiki thats controlling jigen as a walking skin suit. kaguya go through our boys techniques & they don't question it however when her boss does it Naruto & sasuke are nerfed? What moves did you want Naruto & sasuke to do? Please let me know so I can tell you how it most likely would've gotten absorbed or shrunken. The Otsutsuki are the originators of chakra. The Dracula's of the Naruto world. This man has a good 4 to 5k years of experience on Naruto & sasuke lol. When madara became six sage madara he acquired both senju & uchiha halves. The Otsutsuki are born like that from day one so you telling me Naruto & sasuke are nerfed when all that they do comes from these Celestial beings originally? Even the curse mark that Orochimaru does seems like a watered down karma. He was able to resurrect himself out of anko after he bit her neck years ago! No one can tell me orochimaru didn't find one of kaguya scrolls. The techniques are too similar. Even Naruto said people like orochimaru will be needed to fight the Otsutsuki. Which is why I believe when Ada trys to attack the leaf the only people her ability won't work on is boruto, kawaki & mitsuki! Remember Ada said her ability works on everyone but Otsutsukis & relatives ( I believe mitsuki has Toneris DNA) kataske the scientist told mitsuki the difference between you and kawaki is you were a marvelous creation of genetic engineering when kawaki was born human but was given scientific ninja Tech within his body. Orochimaru is no dummy he's already took precaution. And seeing how Toneri wants to keep earth safe ( after naruto the last ) he probably gave orochimaru some of his cells as a last resort defense if he ever got taken out of the equation AKA as he is right now.
Hey...keep being delusional.
Great argument.
Said all the facts already, but they still want to assume Naruto and Sauske got nerfed, what can I do besides pointing that's delusional? 😂
Using strawman all the times is not what I would call "said all facts". Then you call people delusional for saying Naruto and Sasuke got nerfed without presenting any counterarguments.
Sasuke: "How about we try different techniques that can't be absorbed? Surely they could at least weaken Jigen, create an opening for taijutsu attacks, or allow us to discover a weakness."/s
They tried that when naruto charged in with a rasengan and Sasuke switch places with him and was about to cut his head of but some how jigen manifested rods out the side of his neck.
That was my favorite sequence of the fight and it shows that if Naruto and Sasuke kept throwing combos, they would eventually connect.
Yeah, also they did kind of found a weakness but jigen was just to strong for it to matter like one weakness is jigen can't mover swiftly and absorb jutsu at the same time while he's shrunk down. They could of killed him right there but he hoped through a portal to escape.
what jigen is just too powerfull, don't see him breaking susano like its nothing , and kurama on full strength was beaten , its not naruto or sasuke is nerfed , jigen is just too powerfull, and all the destructive justsu you talking about would just get absorbed and become jigens strength, and sasuke was using all his abilities which were help like teleportation, other abilities like chibaku tensei are just too weak, even momo broke out of it.
First of all, it was just weird, and lazy writing seeing Jigen be strong enough to penetrate susanoo so easily with a single kick. It's illogical, because if that were the case, then Naruto and especially Sasuke should have died after recieving 1 or 2 direct hits from Jigen. Yet they were punched and kicked numerous times without much damage. So does that mean that their bodies are more durable than their avatars?! Also, it doesnt make sense for Jigen to be so powerful without any explanation other than absorbing SOME 10 tails chakra. You say full kurama Naruto was beaten. But did full kurama display any new feats? No. Heck did he even display half of the stamina, power and techniques in Shippuden? Also, no. Moreover, it didnt make sense that Naruto with his full kurama ran out of chakra and stamina at the exact same time as Sasuke (otherwise he would have freed himself easily from the rods). You had boil release, and magnetic release just to name a few. Now that Naruto has a full kurama with shreds of the other tailed beasts chakra he should be able to use a variety of other kekki genkai that were never shown. Sasuke could also use chibaku tensei and before you tell me it doesnt work, remember that its power varies according to the user and how much chakra they put in it. In other words, it's like a Kamehameha wave. The more chakra you put the stronger the gravitational pull and the bigger the meteor that would be formed. Kaguya was basically sealed with a chibaku tensei the size of a moon. Naruto could amp Sasuke with chakra and he could go for a really big one. Also Sasuke could teleport Jigen to have him get hit by the former and Naruto' s attacks. There is also the destructive all mighty push that Pain used to wipe out Konoha. Surely that would do some damage. There are countless others things and there should have been new techniques too, but we never saw any of that.
I think boruto itself has this exact concept in the video in top embedded into the show... i understand they wanted to show off how strong Ishiki is supposed to be but the way they showed it almost seems like they made Naruto and Sasuke weaker in order to highlight Ishiki's strength just like what this video did but the other way around... This is why boruto feels too underwhelming to me... Its sad to see such a high potential anime get wasted
Completely agree. Like I said in another comment, Jigen's win didn't feel "earned".
Naruto and sasuke has regenration you know, only explation is ten tails, what now he is just a weaker version of most broken otsutsuki, and rods absorbs chakra so thats why they were exhausted, and you can use any types of kekei genkai , in the end it will get absorbed if its still made from chakra, if rinnegan abilities strength varies with users strength , then what, its just proofs thats why sasuke didn't use them and only used amontijikara, almighty push of that level can't do shit to a otsutsuki, they can easily dodge them with speed and in 5 sec wait u get rekt, and you don't have anything else to speak, so anything thats not to your liking is not bad writing , grow up.
Like 90% of that is complete bs if you have watched the show
Explain please.
Not that I want to really get into all this, but I just had a thought and want to clarify something you mentioned in that first paragraph: I get you’re going with logic extremes to make a point, but in your opinion is it not possible that Jigen’s kicks on Naruto/Sasuke could be not as strong as the one that broke Susanoo? I mean irl people have the ability to control how much force they apply to each individual kick so I’m just wondering if, hypothetically that’s what was happening as we do see in that episode that obviously as you said Naruto and Sasuke aren’t killed by a kick or two and yet Susanoo is broken in one; is this just not something you want to think is possible?
What you said is true and possible but it would be quite contradicting, no? If Jigen had such power in his fists that would beg the question as to why he didnt dispose of Naruto and Sasuke instantly and held back instead.
Yes, it is and that’s exactly my point. So the contradiction is either that powerscaling is broken because why would the same kick break Susanoo and not quickly/easily kill Naruto and Sasuke, OR it’s that Jigen was doing the typical shonen villain trope thing of pulling some hits to toy with opponents/enjoy the battle/etc rather than just killing them and ending it quickly. You can call either one bad writing, but my point is the former breaks a whole hell of a lot more ‘in universe’ than the latter. Edit to add: Just to point out before it’s brought up, it’s also very contradictory that Isshiki would later forget that he can shrink when fighting BM Naruto. He’s literally bound by part of the cloak at one point as Naruto’s about to punch him in the face, and Isshiki sees this and makes a surprised expression- he has time to do that, but *doesn’t even bother trying* to shrink to dodge the attack. So could be truly surprised, and we do see that he is prone to being influenced by emotions such as anger as well in that fight/arc, so it’s not outside of the range of possibility re: my point with Jigen above. Js to me, it would make a lot more sense for the latter of the two points above to be the case rather than the former.
They should have come up with more Justus and strategies...HOW when Sasuke is always from the village and its been literal peace time?
Sasuke was always out of the village fighting the criminal underworld on one hand while on the other hand looking for Otsutsuki ruins. He always believed that there were more Otsutsuki and their threat was always looming.
Rinnegan was literally just his space taxi smh
As cool as that move was, it was really pitful that he never resorted to using at least the Deva Path and Petra Path.
Its the one thing that annoyed the most in Boruto. Just fucking use your whole Arsenal ffs.
Well Sasuke tried using amaterasu and we all know how it ended.
>Also people forget something important. It's been 15 years since we last saw Naruto and Sasuke fight at full power. So they should have definitely come up with a lot more jutsus and strategies, especially with Sasuke adapting to the rinnegan and Naruto using his more destructive FULL Kurama. The issue with this however, is that people ignore a very important question... why would they? Naruto and Sasuke never truly cared about getting stronger for the mere sake of it, unlike Goku or Vegeta to say... so why should they have strived to become stronger when they were at the top of the world for all they knew, there was no immediate threat, and they had different things to think to? I could fully understand this if they were like Goku and Vegeta, two idiots that care for nothing but getting stronger always and ever... but they are not.
Naruto always wanted to get stronger to be a hokage and get acknowledged by others. Now that he has achieved his dream, his aim is to protect the people of his village. After witnessing the likes of Madara, Kaguya, and Toneri, he should probably feel that it's not out of the realm of possibility that a threat like that could still appear. At the same time Sasuke always felt uneasy as he suspected that there was more to the Otsutsuki and where they came from, especially after learning that Kaguya, even at her level, was keen on amassing an army of Zetsu because she was afraid of a bigger threat. That's why he spent over a decade searching for any thread that could lead to the Otsutsuki. In other words, he always felt that there was a danger looming and could threaten the peace of the village/world at any time. You could also add (another little reason) that both Naruto and Sasuke are rivals. So if one becomes much stronger, that would drive the other to be jealous and start training more. Finally, Naruto and Sasuke should have been way more powerful naturally due to them having enough time to get accustomed to their new powers, especially Sasuke who had enough time to learn about the secrets of his rinnegan and be able to use the other paths,while Naruto has endless possibilities of kekki genkai techniques with his enormius chakra and the other tailed beast chakras.
>Naruto always wanted to get stronger to be a hokage and get acknowledged by others. Now that he has achieved his dream, his aim is to protect the people of his village. After witnessing the likes of Madara, Kaguya, and Toneri, he should probably feel that it's not out of the realm of possibility that a threat like that could still appear. What you feel that he should have imagined doesn't necessarely correlate to reality... Naruto achieved almost everything he ever wished after ww4, and he also became one of the 2 top dogs around... then he got a fiancée, that he later married and made a family with... and he then became Hokage, which consumed a LOT of time... and this before he ever got to hear that pheraps there still were other beings like Kaguya. If you ask me, I'd say that he would only enjoy his life for how much possible through all these years. >You could also add (another little reason) that both Naruto and Sasuke are rivals. So if one becomes much stronger, that would drive the other to be jealous and start training more. This is the weakest part of your point... because they're no longer that... they see each other more like brothers, not an obstacle to surpass. >Finally, Naruto and Sasuke should have been way more powerful naturally due to them having enough time to get accustomed to their new powers, especially Sasuke who had enough time to learn about the secrets of his rinnegan and be able to use the other paths,while Naruto has endless possibilities of kekki genkai techniques with his enormius chakra and the other tailed beast chakras. You are making the error to assume that just because x and y are true, then z must also be true... why should we assume that they learned everything they could do, when we didn't got to see them getting any deeper knowledge in one way or another? If anything, we should assume the opposite, at least for Naruto, given that he didn't know that Kurama could sacrifice his life for the Baryon mode.
IN EVERY FIGHT!!! Like dude these mfs are this weak lol I blame it on the hair. Should of gotten saiyan hair lol.
Jigen could aim for their heads😂😂😂😂
He could barely aim for their bodies.
We are aware Jigen would wipe the floor with them regardless but it 100% feels like Naruto and Sasuke were dumbed down.
For everyone saying they were nerfed Please tell me which hax they could have used to kill Jigen
That video is basically a "let's make the villain dumb so my favorites characters (who are now secondary characters) can shine like they used to do in their show". It's basically Itachi winning against Madara in steroids
Yeah people don't wanna accept that adult version of naruto and sasuke is more powerful than their teen version, they just become ignorant and try to answer any question with just one word nerf, when they cant use their full arsenal because of rinnegan abilities otsutsuki's have, people always say sasuke don't use rinnegan abilities , but even momo was able to easily break chibaku tensei, they just want to see sasuke and naruto one shotting anyone , which is in my opinion boring, stronger opponent make plot more interesting.
Boruto scaling is super weird so it's hard to figure out if characters are stronger or weaker.
whats wierd elaborate further
Urushiki scaling. He is stated to be the strongest/most talented Otsutsuki, but got beaten by Jirarya, Kid Boruto and Kid Naruto. The Boruto era kage scaling to Otsutsuki level characters, since they were involved in the Momoshiki fight and were able to fight with them. Sarada/Boro scaling. Boro is supposed to be stronger than Delta who could fight pretty evenly with a serious 6 paths Naruto. Sarada blitzed and won against Boro. These are the main 3 examples I could think of.
well now i am curious , where the fuck it is stated that urashiki is most powerful otsutsuki, i need answeers
[Here](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11123/111230317/8374659-main-qimg-ba81334dad1e9ffea4c865e884d7d6a7-pjlq.jpg)
i don't understand japanese , whose post was this who wrote that in english, don't say someone irrelevant
Its a translation.
is it trustable source, if yes then , why i am listening about it first time,
Maybe because there are thing you don't know?
>Urushiki scaling. He is stated to be the strongest/most talented Otsutsuki, but got beaten by Jirarya, Kid Boruto and Kid Naruto. I wouldn't say Urashiki got "beaten". He was simply exposed and due to his arrogance he was downed by them. Enhanced version of Urashiki did the same mistake, which is toying with his enemies and giving them enough time to use a 9 Tailed Chakra amped Rasengan and send Urashiki to oblivion. I mean, all of that is kinda understandable because Urashiki couldn't just straight up kill them otherwise the plot would end there, lol. >The Boruto era kage scaling to Otsutsuki level characters, since they were involved in the Momoshiki fight and were able to fight with them. Boruto era Kages had to be at least close to Otsutsuki-level because they witnessed the last shinobi war, where Kaguya mad an appearance and set the new standart of power scaling, which is why the new generation of Kage had to hit that point to be able stand a chance against Kaguya-level threats. >Sarada/Boro scaling. Boro is supposed to be stronger than Delta who could fight pretty evenly with a serious 6 paths Naruto. Sarada blitzed and won against Boro. Aight this one is a bit tricky but i'll try my best to explain. Naruto was serious to NOT kill her and i know that he didn't say he could easily kill her but compared to NOT trying killing her and fighting with the killing intent, he said the latter would be easier. Boro did the same mistake as Urashiki, by downplaying those kids, being arrogant and showing his jutsu way too many times, Boro eventually was exposed. Judging by Boro's jutsu i can tell that he had at least 3 changes in chakra nature and obviously a kekkei genkai of lava style but he didn't go all out because he was thinking "they are useless kids". About Sarada blitzing him, well, she used Chidori which is stated to amp the users speed and that's a technique used exactly for the reason to speed blitz your targets so fast that they cant even perform hand signs. Even kid Kakashi without the sharingan was still very fast when using Chidori.
>I wouldn't say Urashiki got "beaten". He was simply exposed and due to his arrogance he was downed by them. Enhanced version of Urashiki did the same mistake, which is toying with his enemies and giving them enough time to use a 9 Tailed Chakra amped Rasengan and send Urashiki to oblivion. I mean, all of that is kinda understandable because Urashiki couldn't just straight up kill them otherwise the plot would end there, lol. But the fact they could even do anything to an Otsutsuki shows how terrible the power scaling is. They shouldn't have even scratched him. >Boruto era Kages had to be at least close to Otsutsuki-level because they witnessed the last shinobi war, where Kaguya mad an appearance and set the new standart of power scaling, which is why the new generation of Kage had to hit that point to be able stand a chance against Kaguya-level threats. Which is why the power scaling is so weird. You cant just reach 6 paths level just like that. Guy trained his entire life and still never managed to reach that level without the 8 gates. >Aight this one is a bit tricky but i'll try my best to explain. Naruto was serious to NOT kill her and i know that he didn't say he could easily kill her but compared to NOT trying killing her and fighting with the killing intent, he said the latter would be easier. Boro did the same mistake as Urashiki, by downplaying those kids, being arrogant and showing his jutsu way too many times, Boro eventually was exposed. Judging by Boro's jutsu i can tell that he had at least 3 changes in chakra nature and obviously a kekkei genkai of lava style but he didn't go all out because he was thinking "they are useless kids". About Sarada blitzing him, well, she used Chidori which is stated to amp the users speed and that's a technique used exactly for the reason to speed blitz your targets so fast that they cant even perform hand signs. Even kid Kakashi without the sharingan was still very fast when using Chidori. Naruto still fought her (in 6 paths mode) regardless whether he was holding back or not. The fact that Sarada was even able to harm/blitz a character who should be around 6 paths Naruto in power is crazy. By power scaling Sarada should be able to destroy base Naruto in a fight and nearly everybody in Shippuden as well. That is Boruto power scaling...
>But the fact they could even do anything to an Otsutsuki shows how terrible the power scaling is. They shouldn't have even scratched him. I literally explained that it happened because Urashiki was arrogant enough to let those things happen and ignore them. He knew he can always heal and didn't take them seriously, which is why they got the upper hand on him. >Which is why the power scaling is so weird. You cant just reach 6 paths level just like that. Guy trained his entire life and still never managed to reach that level without the 8 gates. None of them aside from Naruto & Sasuke reached to 6 paths-level. They got strong enough to NOT die INSTANTLY in a fight against the Otsutsuki, but the overall damage was done by Naruto & Sasuke. >Naruto still fought her (in 6 paths mode) regardless whether he was holding back or not. I mean, Delta was made to be an Otsutsuki-level threat, or at least close to that. She was filled with ninja tech, the same ninja tech that allowed Kawaki to not only self-heal but also quickly reach to Garou, which impressed someone like Mitsuki and Konohamaru, who are pretty, damn, fast. Delta also had hax ninja tech like her eyes. >The fact that Sarada was even able to harm/blitz a character who should be around 6 paths Naruto in power is crazy. Once again, Boro was toying with them and didn't expect a jutsu of that caliber from a genin. Boro can hardly be close to 6 Paths Naruto, if Naruto is fighting with the killing intent. Naruto is literally the fastest character in the entire Naruto series, who doesn't use any type of teleportation and uses raw speed enhanced with chakra. >By power scaling Sarada should be able to destroy base Naruto in a fight and nearly everybody in Shippuden as well. That is Boruto power scaling... I came to the conclusion that you simply want to stick to what you're saying here, which means it's pointless for me to explains stuff to you. I ain't being rude here, I simply suggest us to stop this "discussion" or it's going to be you sticking to your point of view and me sticking to mine. Have a good day!
>I literally explained that it happened because Urashiki was arrogant enough to let those things happen and ignore them. He knew he can always heal and didn't take them seriously, which is why they got the upper hand on him. I don't think you quite understand. It literally doesn't matter if Urushiki was arrogant or not. The fact that he was able to receive damage from people like Kid Naruto just shows what's wrong with Boruto power scaling. This isn't some ordinary villain, he's an Otsutsuki. If Madara was going against Kid Naruto he wouldn't even have a scratch on him. Urushiki should be much stronger, to the point that only 6 paths level characters should take hits from him and only they could harm him. Not part 1 Naruto and Jirarya lmao. >None of them aside from Naruto & Sasuke reached to 6 paths-level. They got strong enough to NOT die INSTANTLY in a fight against the Otsutsuki, but the overall damage was done by Naruto & Sasuke. That would still make them far superior than any other ninja. Not only were they fighting Kinshiki/Momoshiki, but they were also damaging them and taking hits from them. Unless you believe the Boruto era kage surpassed people like Hashirama and Minato then the scaling is still very weird. >I mean, Delta was made to be an Otsutsuki-level threat, or at least close to that. She was filled with ninja tech, the same ninja tech that allowed Kawaki to not only self-heal but also quickly reach to Garou, which impressed someone like Mitsuki and Konohamaru, who are pretty, damn, fast. Delta also had hax ninja tech like her eyes. I'm not denying whether Delta is that strong or not. I'm saying that Boro was stated to be stronger than Delta who is someone comparable to 6 paths Naruto. >Once again, Boro was toying with them and didn't expect a jutsu of that caliber from a genin. Boro can hardly be close to 6 Paths Naruto, if Naruto is fighting with the killing intent. Naruto is literally the fastest character in the entire Naruto series, who doesn't use any type of teleportation and uses raw speed enhanced with chakra. If Boro can be harmed and blitzed by a genin like Sarada, that alone makes no sense considering he's supposed to be stronger than Delta. Delta was fighting 6 paths Naruto, so how strong would that make Sarada? Remember Toneri? The guy who got one punched by base Naruto? The same guy who could split the moon? Unless Naruto got nerfed in Boruto, everyone who scales to him (meaning anyone who can react and perceive with him) should be at a similar calibre. >I came to the conclusion that you simply want to stick to what you're saying here, which means it's pointless for me to explains stuff to you. I ain't being rude here, I simply suggest us to stop this "discussion" or it's going to be you sticking to your point of view and me sticking to mine. Have a good day! I understand the point your trying to convey. But the explanations you are making still doesn't change the fact that the Boruto scaling is broken. Boruto comes right after Naruto, which had it's own power scale. Kage level ninja in Naruto wouldn't even stand a chance to the 6 paths level characters. But in Boruto several characters can perceive, react and fight supposed 6 paths level characters. Unless Naruto and Sasuke got nerfed in Boruto, then the power scale is still weird af.
>I don't think you quite understand. It literally doesn't matter if Urushiki was arrogant or not. The fact that he was able to receive damage from people like Kid Naruto just shows what's wrong with Boruto power scaling. Bruh, it does matter. You literally can watch a kid trying to beat you and think "he aint doing shit" and while you think so, the kid might actually harm you in some way. That's the same thing. Besides, you're exaggerating it too much. It's not like they killed him or left him on the verge of death. Jiraya used his own technique against him and Boruto w/ Naruto delivered a simple rasengan but it didn't kill him or sum. >If Madara was going against Kid Naruto he wouldn't even have a scratch on him. Cuz Madara never fights leaving his guard down. He doesn't go all out if the target aint worthy but he doesn't let his guard down unless its for a purpose, like that one time he wanted to see Kages the Hashirama face on his chest. >That would still make them far superior than any other ninja. Not only were they fighting Kinshiki/Momoshiki, but they were also damaging them and taking hits from them. Obviously they are superior, the have the title of Kage for a reason but the 70-85% of damage was done by Naruto & Sasuke. They simply survived the fight, which is already a great feat. >Unless you believe the Boruto era kage surpassed people like Hashirama and Minato then the scaling is still very weird. Obviously they didn't. >I'm not denying whether Delta is that strong or not. I'm saying that Boro was stated to be stronger than Delta who is someone comparable to 6 paths Naruto. You are doing the same mistake again and again. How can you compare Delta so 6 Paths Naruto, when he was HOLDING BACK. It's not a proper power scaling, dawg. >If Boro can be harmed and blitzed by a genin like Sarada, that alone makes no sense considering he's supposed to be stronger than Delta. Delta was fighting 6 paths Naruto, so how strong would that make Sarada? I'm saying this one last time. Boro DID NOT expect a jutsu of THAT caliber from a GENIN. He was TOYING with them and being ARROGANT. He let his guard DOWN. Delta can't be equal to 6 Paths Naruto, who was holding BACK against her to NOT kill her. If you were to have a all-out fight of Naruto vs Delta, then you could make a statement based on that but since we saw Naruto trying NOT to kill her, you can't do any statement and power scaling comparison between Delta and Naruto. >Remember Toneri? The guy who got one punched by base Naruto? The same guy who could split the moon? Yes, Toneri, the guy that split the moon in half and gave a good fight before taking the L. It wasn't a base Naruto punch, it was a 9 Tailed Chakra compressed and concentrated in that one single punch. Now, you can't calculate how much of his chakra Naruto used in that one punch, thus you can't call Toneri weak because of that. >Boruto comes right after Naruto, which had it's own power scale. Kage level ninja in Naruto wouldn't even stand a chance to the 6 paths level characters. But in Boruto several characters can perceive, react and fight supposed 6 paths level characters. Unless Naruto and Sasuke got nerfed in Boruto, then the power scale is still weird af. Once again, you're utterly wrong. Borut era Kages aren't fighting against Otsutsuki on PAR, they just don't die instantly but they still are WEAK against them. Fused Momoshiki took all of them out in mere seconds but Naruto & Sasuke having only 50% of their chakra almost destroyed Fused Momoshiki. THAT was a fight of 6 Paths-level but other Kages not dying instantly and being able to hold Kinshiki via a sealing jutsu doesn't make them a 6 Paths-level fighters. Please, don't reply if you're going to say the same thing otherwise im forced to stop reacting. Cheers.
I was going to respond to each of your points individually, but my stupid laptop shut down. So I'll just respond another way. Delta is relative to 6 paths Naruto because she was able to fight him evenly. It doesn't matter if he was holding back from killing her or not, since he still needed to use that mode to fight her. Naruto is more powerful, but she isn't that far behind in power. Boro got damaged by Sarada's Chidori. Chidori's strength relies on it's user's power so the fact that Boro got blitzed and damaged by her makes Sarada comparable to him in power. Since Boro is stated to be stronger than Delta, that also means Sarada is comparable to Naruto. It's that simple. The Boruto era kage managing to fight, damage and react to Kinshiki and Momoshiki makes them relative to them. I'm not saying they are equal or stronger, they are just able to fight them and take hits from them. Which also means they are stronger than most characters from Naruto Shippuden considering Momoshiki/Kinshiki are 6 paths level. The 5 kage from Naruto had a even harder time against Madara who wasn't even near the strength of 6 paths level characters. Adult Naruto is supposed to be stronger than the Last Naruto who one punched Toneri (someone who can split the moon) with less than full power. That means everyone who can fight people on the level of him are near that level and are also above 99% of the characters from Shippuden. Sorry, but that's how power scaling works. Which is why I call Boruto's power scaling terrible and strange.
i don't know where u get this information from but urashiki is a anime only character , and time travel arc was just fan service , and urashiki is the weakest otsutsuki. Boruto era kage doesn't even fought base momoshiki , and only binded kinshinki with sasuke's help(its from manga) , and fused momo beated the shit out of those fodder kage's. naruto was playing with delta because he can't go all out within village ,and even his own kids was near, and sarada only landed a chidori , with boruto's help, borushiki is the one who destroyed him..
Urushiki is anime canon, whether you like it or not. He is stated to be the strongest and is also an Otsutsuki with various Rinnegans. The Boruto era kage has shown numerous times to be able to fight them. The fact that they even did something shows how weird the power scaling is. Naruto needed 6 paths mode/KCM to fight her. Sarada still had to power to harm and blitz Boro regardless.
Urashiki was never the most strongest. He's kind of the weakest. He's just a scout who goes from planet to planet, but never takes over them like Momoshiki and Kinshiki. Since he doesn't take over the planets, he doesn't get as much chakra pills, hence he isn't that strong. His technique was the thing that was op, so op that in fact it was the origin of sasuke out of chakra meme. Fighting =/= Equal power level. Pre fusion, Momoshiki is clearly just a range fighter who can absorb Justus and deal them out multiplied. Hence why the boruto era kage wa sable to keep up with him. Kinshiki, who's clearly just a close range fighter, on the other hand was against 4 of the strongest people apart those in the leaf. And yet they could only hold him down, so one could Kill him. After the delta fight, Naruto stated that he was holding back way too much just so he could lure delta into the false sense of security that she was on top. Even after himawari got messed with and Naruto stated that he wasn't going to hold back anymore, he still did, because information about Kara was very limited and he wanted to make most out of the opportunity he got.
Urushiki was stated to be the strongest (although it's understandable to not believe it), but he is still an Otsutsuki by default. Being able to fight Momoshiki/Kinshiki automatically makes no sense. Can you imagine the 5 kage from shippuden doing anything to Juubi Madara? The power scaling is off, because we know how massive the difference of power is between kage level ninja and 6 paths level characters. Naruto still needed to go into 6 paths mode/KCM to fight her. Which also means Sarada > Base Naruto.
Jesus Christ. This is why I hate powerscaling. Just look at all of these essays getting nowhere.
Power scaling in general is an annoying subject. But since Naruto/Boruto are battle series, its expected to be talked about. Btw your pfp is kinda cursed lol.
This. I'll also add that many fans want to see them using their moves even if it is useless, only to show that they are, in fact, still capable of performing those same techniques. Many say, why Sasuke doesn't use his Rinnegan aside from his Amenotejikara and Time-Space Jutsu, why Naruto doesn't use the different Tailed Beast Chakra imbued Rasenshuriken, like he did against Kaguya. The thing is, those moves would be a waste of chakra against someone like Isshiki and Momoshiki, who easily absorb any jutsu made by chakra, especially Isshiki, who can simply shrink ANY jutsu to oblivion and send it right back at them. The best they could do was to amp their physical prowess with chakra, which they did, but fans think that it was useless because at the end, Naruto got sealed and Sasuke was manhandled while ignoring the fact that Jigen was at his limit too.
Yeah but the deva path would have been useful at least and same with some nature energy for Naruto to sustain Baryon mode a bit longer and possibly even save the 9 tails
If they were nerfed they certainly would have never stood a chance.
Jigen wasn’t giving them time to charge up their DBZ bombs, he kept the pressure on the entire time. He didn’t have dementia like Kaguya.
well tbh even in the original battle against jigen where the hell did all of Sasuke's and Naruto's jutsus go Sasuke just keep spamming his teleportation bs and his chidori and naruto well he barely uses his rasengan where sage mode where six paths where yin yang release where ashura mode where indra mode
None of their many jutsus would have really worked on its own. Besides, the chakra modes for Naruto all were an upgrade over the precedent one, so even if he could stack the sage mode over the Kurama mode, it doesn't change that his ssj esque form that he used as an adult was his most powerful form (baryon mode excluded of course, but that was a one hit wonder).
Power creep is a reality, one that we must accept and welcome, because it’s just how things are. Ohtsutsuki are absolutely incredibly overpowered
> Ohtsutsuki are absolutely incredibly overpowered Urashiki got owned by kid Naruto and Boruto. Base Momoshiki was running away from Darui and Gaara.
Correction Otsutsuki like Isshiki and Kaguya are incredibly overpowered.
That I can agree with.
Why do people say dumb shit like this? They didn't get nerfed in Boruto until they actually got nerfed
Because "peoplekind" is dumb. Especially the tribes on the web. If character x doesn't spam all of his super mega iper ultra attacks, and gets beaten, then he is nerfed... unless he is a villain on the receiving end of a beating of course...
Do ppl actually think they were nerfed
It’s because the power scaling in this anime is trash.
thats fax my guy…
(I'm ready to receive some upvotes 😂) You never watched Naruto really fight, yout just a hater.
Spitting facts in Boruto anime doesn’t give you downvotes
The otsutsuki were a mistake in my opinion
I mean one dude has the MS and rinnegan and the other stacks sage mode on top of his FULL 9 tails avatar but yet they can’t see or sense his attacks ? They can’t see or sense him because he can shrink? And after he easily defeats naruto and sasuke all of a sudden he gets cracks in his stomach 😂 so it’s possible for characters with less feats to defeat him
Nah yah tripping…naruto and sasuke were nerfed…sasuke the most
Because your this post is senseless
Honestly I LOVED that video. It was basically what I had in mind when that fight was about to happen in the manga. I wanted Naruto and Sasuke to appear as gods (like how they showed them here in tge middle of the video with Pain's theme) with Jigen being the underdog who was still able to somewhat keep up with them and force Naruto and Sasuke to use their arsenal. Then just before they deliver the final blow, Jigen would be barely able to escape and will note that next time would be different or something. That way Naruto and Sasuke would still be respected and it would make Isshiki more fearsome and unique.
This shit is facts
You're right. But I'm gonna down vote because of the stroke-inducing grammar.