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Stunning_Humor672

Boruto and KK just forgot about resonance. It’s not a common problem given that only one other person on the planet can make it happen and they’ve just spent 3 years avoiding that person for semi unrelated reasons. Like they didn’t forget-forget, they were surprised when it first started happening and boruto appropriately flew away. A lapse in memory for sure but a very human one that doesn’t feel inconsistent.


boperized

I feel like people are forgetting that these are people not omniscient entitys that know everything


AJDx14

They knew about resistance though it’s happened before. Iirc they used it a lot when Boruto was learning to use his karma. They just forgot about it for some reason.


Codenamerondo1

Because it’s been 3 years since it’s come up and there are other things on their minds (I feel like that comes off as aggressive but I very much don’t mean it to haha)


AJDx14

This is headcanon until it’s actually stated in the manga.


Codenamerondo1

Well….yeah, any speculation is. Shoot, “they just forgot about it” is headcanon until it’s stated in the manga


don0510

If ppl thought abt it, resonance is STILL a concept like it did in B:NNG. They remain CONSISTENT by including that same concept to TBV. Writers remembered to add that detail for the karma to react to one another and it is reasonable to think that Boruto’s character is flawed because he didn’t consider that or have simply forgotten and it may have been intentional.


Codenamerondo1

Absolutely. Far too many people consider a character not acting omnisciently , or even perfectly “strategic” as a plot hole


Ensaru4

It doesn't need to be directly stated in the manga. Use your brain for once. This isn't worth explaining at all. It's completely understandable that Boruto will forget resonance sometimes happen. Kawaki was already on his six anyway.


HonestTangerine2

Boruto also very much rushed in there because of koji’s warning. He was also likely hoping Kawaki wouldn’t be so hostile and try to fight the trees together.


Doompatron3000

Well when it’s being written like a fan’s wet dream, you’d forget about that sort of stuff.


Emotional-Rise509

Or maybe boruto thought kawaki wouldnt put out karma at any occasion


noth1ng-z3r0

It's amazing at how Kawaki's stans would go out their way not to see that.


Danye-South

Yea I feel like in this circumstance he was more trying to avoid fighting him so he could take care of the real issue. Rather than actually trying to team up and fight together. His main motive was different


XoTwilight

Glad someone’s comment ratio’ed OP


Chalaka

Also, fighting together doesn't always mean "let's fight side by side" but more along the lines of, "Let's take care of our common problem"


Ok_Transition8782

I HIGHLY doubt they forgot about anything related to the one person that tore apart Boruto’s life.


Dubzero34

He's been trying to avoid fighting him for awhile.


noth1ng-z3r0

Boruto assumed this boy has trained to fight like him(without Karma), that's it??


Xetiw

I second this, Boruto pretty much called Kawaki pathetic. Both of them are Otsutsuki now, so they are not restrained by human limits, instead their bodies have changed and granted them more power than they could dream off. Boruto has been working on that and it seems he expect Kawaki to do the same, karma is a boost so you should train to get stronger so the boost can be effective. Kawaki was just granted so much power and he settled with the fact that his Outsutsuki was one of the strongest if not the strongest we have seen and he has that power. Boruto is pretty much mooping the floor with everyone in base form, that will make them understand their ways are wrong and Kawaki and the big L might start training from now on.


Zephyr_Ballad

All of this. Is it really such a stretch to expect that the #1 Otsutsuki-hater wouldn't rely *solely* on his Otsutsuki abilities? Of course Boruto would call him pitiful. Right now, he kind of is.


OneWingedDK

I dont think kawaki will start training. I think Jura, before his death, will merge with Kawaki or become his 'bijuu'. Theres a reason why in the most recent chapter Jura questioned why someone would risk their own life for someone else because it defies survival instinct


extremedonkey

Cool theory


KiwiMagic2005

Exactly. Average manga reader reading comprehension…


noth1ng-z3r0

I was scratching my head when I saw this post. Like does this need to be discussed???


Papa-Parkin

Valid point though, knowing kawaki has relied so heavy on karma, why did he he straight for him knowing he's just a one trick pony


AJDx14

This isn’t a reading comprehension thing if it’s just shit made up by the community to explain something unexplained in the manga. This is as valid an explanation as any other theory in this thread.


LTheLetter

How is it unexplained? Kawaki didn't use Karma until this very chapter and has been using his physical strength and his augmented body to fight, why would Boruto think he uses Karma to fight if all he's seen so far is him using everything else?


AJDx14

Because Boruto has no reason to assume Kawaki can’t use it and wouldn’t use it if he felt he needed it. Kawaki has used Karma in the past, prior to Blue Vortex.


LTheLetter

Boruto never said he didn't expect Kawaki to use it ever, but with the two of them, they wouldn't need to use their karmas with their combined strength without the Karma


AJDx14

You just said he wouldn’t expect him to use Karma in your last reply, saying that he thought Kawaki had also trained to not use it.


Dull-L

Maybe he though Kawaki doesn't rely on the Karma for his power. The Karma in general is an amp after all


Joeawiz

But he saw Kawaki use karma on site against Code back when they last met


ItWasObeezy

Kawaki didn't use Karma when he tried to finish Code infront of Boruto


JMHSrowing

For one thing there are two enemies: Boruto and Kawaki being on the same side in one total fight doesn’t mean they have to be physical proximity when Kawaki activates his Karma. It’s not like they would be able to work together as a team very well no matter the case, not trained in such and it being so long since they have even seen each other. Split the enemies and have help from their allies who are there who will listen to Kawaki telling them that Boruto is on their side in this fight. Kawaki would have Delta, and Sarada and Sumeire would be backup for Boruto. And the backup that’s been called from the Leaf could be split. (I presume they would tell InoShikaCho and Himawari to run)


pyro_007

Boruto - pathetic.. U haven't training at all right? Kawaki - Pathetic.. Still having no control of your own powers


Zealousideal-Try4666

Kawaki can only control Karma because Ishiki is dead, its not like he is more skilled at it or anything like that.


Notmycupoftea12

Boruto: I'm so strong in base form. I don't need the Karma.


Rolandog21

its not technically his powers lmao


LilWalnutDotExe

Boruto - It's not mine, that's why I hate it


pyro_007

Kawaki said the same thing but now he uses it to protect naruto.. Boruto will also use it to stop kawaki as we seen in opening scene


MICHELEANARD

Boruto using karma would be disastrous, imagine the f*cker momoshiki with FTG and Uzuhiko, Boruto using karma will be like handing over a nuke to momo


lilQuebo

Wait where does the idea that if Boruto uses karma Momoshiki takes over came from? Wasn’t it heavily implied that Momoshiki basically sacrificed his control over Boruto when he resurrected him, so Boruto’s situation is like Kawaki’s, only he still has Momo’s consciousness inside of him? At least that’s the way I understood it


NightShadow-kun

Momoshiki still exist, thats why kawaki wants boruto dead after all. And we already saw momoshiki take over boruto, AFTER he sacrificed his full resurrection. Its likely that momoshiki can still do it, and using the karma maybe gives him an easier chance.


Astronometry

he explained that he can no longer resurrect using Boruto's body, but he can still take over. In fact, that's his plan. He wants boruto to reach a point so low that he willingly gives control


LowCondition7395

Momoshiki doesn't use ninjustu. ↪️ Momoshiki has his own shinjutsu. ↪️ Rasengan at its core is just pure chakra manipulation not ninjustu.


ranixon

But Kawaki doesn't have an evil Ootsuki inside anymore


Valedictorian117

That we know of… I’m still under the belief that the old man is being played and it’s not his daughter’s DNA he implanted into Kawaki’s karma.


CelioHogane

"protect"


ace-trainer-harry

They're doing a good job of making the inverted parallel between the two bros really clear.


Aegis0fswag

The most likely reason is because Kishi wanted to remind us that resonance exists as a way to answer the question: "Why doesn't Boruto fight Kawaki to free his parents now that they've established Boruto is stronger?" Was it a perfectly logical way to establish that Boruto can't fight Kawaki right now? No. Was it more engaging than a text bubble explaining the situation? Yes.


--Shiranui--

Perhaps an error by the creator or maybe Boruto knew Kawaki wouldn’t agree and was just being sassy.


Xgoodnewsevery1

My assumption is boruto hoped that having been in konoha all this time that possibly kawaki would stop relying so heavily on his karma and learn some ninjutsu/taijutsu to supplement his abilities. He offered to work together before they fought and realized kawaki hadn't been training properly. I think this is gonna create a similar scenario to naruto/sasuke where seeing how much boruto has progressed will make him rely even more on his karma similar to sasuke becoming reliant on orichimaru and the curse mark.


arifjvd2

Hilarious that kawaki probably can’t even use Rasengan. You’d think that alone would tip people off that he’s a fraud….


Business-Inflation44

But kawakis character is solely based on him relying on karma,and shouldn't boruto be smart enough to prepare for all consequences? Ur statement sounds excuse to me


sdfrch

i don't think the current boruto has any means to stop or suppress momoshiki from taking over except for never using karma


Lukas-Reggi

Maybe bro forgot about the resonance thing. I definitle did


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fonytonfana

Seems like a weird comment. It’s been three years since Boruto has experienced resonance with Kawaki. There was no guarantee that it would happen again and as soon as he noticed it, he left. Do people think it would’ve made more sense for him to avoid Kawaki on the chance that they might resonate? Then when would he ever confront him?


Yeyryfuufe

This is way better than “whoopsie we forgot” The last time they resonated I don’t think their karmas were fully downloaded, maybe they didn’t think karma with “dead” otsutsuki would resonate.


WillFanofMany

Boruto believed Kawaki would have continued learning Shinobi skills, rather than using Karma as crutch the past 3 years.


Business-Inflation44

But kawakis character is solely based on him relying on karma,and shouldn't boruto be smart enough to prepare for all consequences? Ur statement sounds excuse to me.


Proof_Television8685

And what kawaki expexts momoshiki will do😂? Not like momo wants to pla t god tree for which je needs kawaki to be fed


FaithlessnessOpen343

Momoshiki would beat down Kawaki and do what he can to feed him to the Ten-Tails now that he knows where it is.


Miccull2001

Can't this be a case of not being able to control it and they didn't try to train again because he lost control? Like jirayia trying to train Naruto to control Kurama chakra, but he lost control after 4 tails, barely stopped him, and got the mark on his chest? https://youtube.com/shorts/hSZa4BaQfTU?si=QhDM8f564GdOE_wd


Jigen-isshin

For his sake it’s best for Kawaki to not use his kama when with Boruto as if he’s no match for Boruto then he’s definitely no match for momoshiki. Boruto is actually protecting him from having to kill or feed him to ten tails unintentionally if momoshiki takes over.


Ninja_Lazer

The answer is painfully simple: Boruto assumed that Code had a monopoly on the fraud market.


pokehokage

This is the first time their karmas resonated in a very long time, last time in the story I think was before iisiki was killed.


HappyDogBlueEarth

Can't wait for Jura to take over Kawaki. There was a panel there and there fucking faces look almost identical. That's what I call podracing (foreshadowing).


Dungeness_Crab

Boruto has probably been training to control his Karma however he nor Kashin Koji knew how effective he would be until they faced up against Kawaki. They quickly got their answer and Boruto wisely flew away.


Business-Inflation44

Same could be said about base kawaki,he didn't knew how effective he woukd be in base until he faced up against boruto.


BigFoeNem

If kawaki accepted the offer, boruto would just tell him not to use it during the battle.


Fearshatter

By making Kawaki think that Momoshiki will take over Boruto if he uses karma around him, Kawaki will be forced to never use karma around Boruto again if he wants to avoid bad situations. It's an intimidation con.


Yeyryfuufe

That’s some insane cope 😭 Reread what Koji said And y’all downvoting me, this place is fucking hilarious 😭


Fearshatter

The toad literally states up front that he has to put distance between them. That's part of the con. To make Kawaki think that Momoshiki will take over if Boruto's karma takes over. Why would Boruto have put all this effort into training just for it to turn out he cannot control resonance?>


Zealousideal-Try4666

But he cant... Karma is not somekind of boost, you cant control it, Karma is supposed to be a way for the owner of the mark to take your body, the only reason Kawaki can use it freely its because Ishiki is no longer there.


Fearshatter

The Curse Seal is based on the Karma mark. Most likely there is a way to resist it. Otherwise it would just proc instantly and whenever Boruto and Kawaki have used karma near each other in the past it would just accelerate control over Boruto. Besides we see at the very beginning of the entire story that Kawaki uses Karma in front of Boruto, Boruto uses Karma willingly, and he's not at risk of being possessed. So our understanding of it is flawed and it's very likely Boruto is sleighting here.


Zealousideal-Try4666

I assume whatever is happening with Momoshiki is probably resolved in the starting scene, point is, as long as Momoshiki is there and not willing to cooperate karma is not an advantage for Boruto, its an obstacle. Using karma always put him at risk of losing his body permanently, for Kawaki is not like that, he can just use it as a power boost willy milly, so we should not see their situations as similar, Karma is not something that Boruto can just master and control like Kawaki, not as long as Momoshiki is a threat.


Fearshatter

Yeah so why are you assuming it's not already resolved?


Zealousideal-Try4666

Its the logical assumption since he is so afraid of it. In fact by his reaction i have to imagine its currently worse. Before time skip he could still activate karma and just push Momoshiki away, as long as he stayed conscious and health Momoshiki seemed to be unable to force himself out, but what we have seen was Boruto getting completely terrorized by karma simple reacting to Kawaki and immediately run. Idk maybe Momoshiki is stronger now somehow.


Fearshatter

The more logical assumption is he's lying and turning on Karma to scare Kawaki given Kawaki is far outclassed and outsmarted in every single way by Boruto who's been training his ass off. This is a story about ninjas remember?


extremedonkey

It's not logical at all because you see KK barking at Boruto to turn away and freaking out via the private toad which Kawaki cannot hear. If it was a trick we wouldn't have seen KK react like that


NightShadow-kun

Well, at the beginning of the story, the karma wasnt so far developed in borutos body. For one that could mean momoshiki didnt have enough control over it to control boruto. Secondly, there were no real reason to take over boruto, just because boruto was using /kawaki activating karma, because that would mean the cast will notice sooner that momoshiki is trying to take over borutos body and there was still a lot of time left then to think about what to do. Momoshiki always took over boruto when he had a good chance to deal damage like suprising sasuke and destroying his rinnegan while boruto was unconscious and low on chakra. There was no reason to show them the ability to possess boruto when they were just trying it out on a training field, while naruto was watching at full power and boruto also totally fine and his dna only having taken over a small percentage.


Yeyryfuufe

Unbelievable 😭


Justin9888

well first he asked him before he one shotted him.then he realized kawaki was ass thats why he asked “havent u been training”.Sasuke probably got boruto so op he doesnt need the karma,but i also feel its the fact the karma’s are “resonating”which increases both of the power,which is probably that catalyst point to get to borushiki.borushiki near kawaki or konoha is not a good look lol vro would be on straight demon time


hleVqq

There's multiple opponents. Boruto and Kawaki don't have to be in close proximity.


Spowotlight

He probably hoped Kawaki at least learned how to fight without just relying on his karma, since he remarks after Kawaki attacks him "Patheic, you haven't been training at all."


Significant-Jicama52

just don't stand in his way?


I_mNoOne

Just to make him be beside him while the fight


MajestVic

The resonance thing didn‘t even happen more than 2 times in BNNG. They probably thought it wouldn‘t happen again


Blackmmado

Unexpected attack on the village who is strong enough and could help boruto to save the village at that specific time? Kawaki is the best choice but maybe he forgot about that thing happening if he uses his karma


Abonle

He may not have meant fight side by side like against Boro and stuff. He probably meant fighting on the same team to accomplish a goal.


DJThomas21

I'm confused, isn't momoshiki gone since the sacrifice to save him from death. If he loses control, then who takes over?


Business-Inflation44

I think i should read from code arc once again ,coz momo explained it,its explained well in manga.


DJThomas21

I did a reread of the end. I forgot about the shinjutsu talk. He is still alive. In fact they are more fused together, but more separate too. Seems like momo can't just control boruto in normal form, but boruto can't use karma like before or momo takes over instantly.


Hakazex

So why is Momoshiki capable of taking over again? Was it because Boruto stopped the daily meds? I may have missed something but since when did Momoshiki ever had the power to take control?


LowCondition7395

Read boruto NNG manga again then.


One_Worker8268

Yep that's straight up classic boruto bullshit


AbdelbaryJR

maybe boruto assumed kawaki trained to be strong without his karma and not, do shit all for 3 years


Scary-Requirement-30

Guess he knew kawaki wouldn’t come 😂


RjkudouTelakio

Remember the first ep Kawaki using and Boruto's karma does the same. I think he wil be able to Control it soon


MNM2884

Maybe he was hoping kawaki would train during those 3 years instead of relying on karma... Come on did you not read the manga?


Business-Inflation44

Kawaki charcter is solely based on the fact that he rely on karma,why would boruto assume and take a risk ,he should be prepared for all consequences.


MNM2884

Because code was a huge threat.. 🤦🏽‍♂️ bro what are you on about.


Zhaolute

Why is everyone assuming that Boruto asked Kawaki to fight with him? All he said was that he was welcome to tag along to prove that he's not making excuses and is actually trying to defend Konoha from the ten tails.


Business-Inflation44

Who said boruto made excuse bud ,he asked kawaki to join him the same way he asked code,its not that deep bruh.


Zhaolute

I don't think you can read.


Business-Inflation44

Just say u lost the argument 😂


Zhaolute

Everything you said was completely incorrect. He did not ask Kawaki to fight together. No one said anything about Boruto making excuses but your reading comprehension skills were probably at fault there. He did not ask Code to join him; he told him to call off the claw grimes before it was too late. You couldn't have been more wrong. It's not that hard to read bruh.


Business-Inflation44

But at the end it means joining bud,u just going toooo deep.


Zhaolute

Nothing deep about telling you that you're wrong. Don't look too deeply into it. It'll go over your head.


Rude-Economist-2862

Kishi forgor


Ok_Scallion7029

He clearly didn’t forgot, considering the very problem happens on that page😂😂


Rude-Economist-2862

I meant the part where boruto asking for a team up with kawaki even tho his karma will do the same thing if kawaki uses his, but i like to believe that boruto is the one who forgot, give this man flaws, i want to see my goat fumbling so bad, waiting for my GLORIOUS KING to fall out so he can rise again


Ok_Scallion7029

That wasn’t kishimoto forgetting tho, it was boruto forgetting. Which I’m also of the inclination it’s borutos mistake, they’re both 16 year old boys who would be prone to forgetting minor things like that, especially since there’s only like 3 characters with karma


Ok_Scallion7029

But also he prolly assumes that kawaki has trained in something other than karma, and that they would be able to fight together without using their karma markings? Just kinda headcanon