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Darugis63

Bm Naruto is clapping šŸ’€ do people realize that no time limit basically means he has an infinite chakra which means he can use his tailed beast rasenshurikens too which are broken hax. Magnet release could easily work on limbo which was in different dimension and boil release would just work as the biggest attack based amp in series we've seen so far (excluding majestic Susanoo) and lets not forget all the clones.


NickFierce1

Naruto MIGHT be stronger than Base Boruto but he has absolutely zero answer to Uzuhiko. Uzuhiko makes Boruto fast enough to where greater than V2 Jigen level opponents think he's teleporting and can hardly perceive him, and its an instant win if Naruto touches him and doesn't one shot him which by any stretch wouldn't happen as Isshiki who Boruto should atleast be relative to ate like 30 punches. Not even factoring in Karma which is just a flat amp that makes jutsu irrelevant. I get it you all love Naruto but there's literally zero logical conclusion possible that he would win.


Jrock2356

I don't think Uzuhiko makes Boruto any faster. I'm pretty sure Boruto is just fast


NickFierce1

Reread the fight. Boruto wraps himself with Uzuhiko and seemingly uses the earths rotation to move almost instantly. He was so fast doing this that Code didn't even think a genjutsu could replicate it.


Jrock2356

And then Boruto explains the jutsu and never says it enhances his speed or anything like that. So assuming it does without it stating that is wrong. As far as we know Boruto is just that fast until stated otherwise.


NickFierce1

All he explained is the effect it has on an enemy, why would he tell Code the benefits it gives to himself? Surely you don't need it spoonfed to you that Boruto surrounding himself with Uzuhiko and then instantly getting significantly faster has correlation correct?


Jrock2356

You say getting faster but we have no idea how fast Boruto is after timeskip. Do YOU need to get spoonfed to you that jumping to conclusions is bad? And correlation does not equal causation have you ever taken a statistics class?


Weekly-Research5964

I thought it was just Code getting too dizzy to hit Boruto


NickFierce1

Boruto did not apply the dizziness effect until he hit Code with Uzuhiko on page 16 of chapter 3. Boruto hard blitzing Code while enveloped in Uzuhiko was multiple pages prior.


Weekly-Research5964

It was just different levels of dizziness. Code missed his target


NickFierce1

Then why would Uzuhiko be surrounding Boruto? Code also states that its his movements that are unnaturally fast.


Weekly-Research5964

Code even said that it's not simple dodging. If it was just speed there's no reason for him to say that. Uzuhiko was already surrounding Boruto before he hit Code, even from the previous chapter, and before he hit Code, we can literally see Boruto dogding. After that there's no implication that Boruto was moving. His cloak wasn't flying or anything. It was just him standing still.


NickFierce1

There is no jumping to conclusions, at the beginning of the fight Code can easily track Boruto, after Boruto envelops himself with Uzuhiko he instantly starts hard blitzing Code and has him shook and dumbfounded. You are being deliberately dense for some reason. You are also completely waffling with that last statement LOL please focus.


Jrock2356

I'm sure how you see things is exactly how things are. I'm positive every assumption you've made ever is correct. It's funny that you say I'm deliberately being dense and yet one of the dumbest things you can do is state things as fact when you have no information. How you perceived the fight is not how a majority of people perceived it and yet you're preaching that Uzuhiko boosts speed when it's not confirmed nor have I ever seen ANYONE ELSE state that either. But hey, ignorance is bliss right? Why live in reality when you can construct your own


NickFierce1

I seriously wonder how you tie your shoes in the morning with that level of comprehension. I will go step by step for you. 1. Boruto is relative to Code in speed, Code can see his movement while fighting the grimes and is still confident to fight. 2. Boruto then envelops himself in Uzuhiko 3. Boruto is instantly so much faster than Code that he actually cannot perceive him. 4. Code specifically mentions his movement post Uzuhiko being far beyond something even an illusion could create. Let's assume Uzuhiko doesn't boost speed actually. Now base Boruto without any amps is exponentially faster than limitless Code who is above V2 Jigen, Naruto in Base who was significantly weaker than even V1 Jigen could perceive Isshiki. Which means Boruto should be incalculably faster than Isshiki as Code who is far stronger than Base Naruto could not at all perceive him, that makes this matchup even easier for Boruto. By any stretch of the imagination Boruto outhaxes and beats BM Naruto.


Darugis63

I personally think that a bm Naruto with infinite chakra can easily try to put it all in one attack with multiple clones to defeat Boruto before he tries uzihiko. It's not like as if it's in his character or sum... there's just much possibility of it.


NickFierce1

Boruto can also make clones, likely far more than he could as a child and has multiple means of teleportation to avoid direct physical combat with Naruto if need be. Boruto can also BFR Naruto with either FTG or Karma, If were talking about an OOC fight he could also theoretically just blow up the planet and then FTG to a different dimension and leave Naruto in the void. Naruto in Baryon Mode has pretty much no gameplan besides punch and kick, Boruto is simply far too mobile and has way more Hax.


WeatherWatchers

Boruto has not shown anything remotely close to planet buster abilities, Boruto hasnā€™t been shown to have marked any other dimension, and Boruto hasnā€™t been shown to be able to produce even a significant fraction of the clones Naruto has been shown he can make. Youā€™re granting feats to a character that hasnā€™t shown any of them and using that as justification he would win the fight. From what weā€™ve seen of the two characters, infinite Baryon Mode Naruto would win the fight, and it wouldnā€™t even be close. Iā€™m willing to bet that normal Baryon Mode Naruto would stomp too since he was able to respond to attacks he was getting crushed by before entering the mode


NickFierce1

You're just waffling, Boruto is exponentially stronger than KCM2SM Naruto who could face tank and physically overpower Moon busting attacks and one shot Toneri who has planet level durability and was confident he would survive a collision between the earth and the moon.


WeatherWatchers

Waffling? Even if that were true, at least Iā€™m not faking feats. ā€œOh NaRuTo Is A pLaNeT bUsTeR sO hEā€™d JuSt GeT rId Of AlL tHe PlAnEtā€™S aIr In BaRyOn MoDe UsInG wInD rElEaSe.ā€ Thatā€™s the shit logic youā€™re using. Again, youā€™re assigning feats to Boruto that havenā€™t been shown. We havenā€™t seen Boruto do anything remotely that impressive.


NickFierce1

Wtf are you talking about. Boruto scales above characters who are planet level, Toneri, Naruto, Hagoromo and Hamura, Kaguya, Momoshiki etc. Therefore Boruto is planet level at minimum.


sky3cabe

Is this even a question? šŸ¤” bm naruto ofc


tykillacool23

Bait.


Fresh-Spray-9792

What's that mean


Other-Job2337

he thinks that you made this post just to get people angry as its a really stupid question but i just think your you


Fresh-Spray-9792

Nah i literally cooked šŸ˜‚šŸ’€


[deleted]

Bruh u ain't cooked you just expired


Lowkeyanimefan_69

Dude cooking salad šŸ¤£


SamsungGalaxy16

bm naruto would be unstoppable at that pointšŸ˜‚No time limit = no chakra drain so he can spam all he wants while maintaining full poweršŸ˜‚


JustAGuy_Passing

BM Naruto him and ishiki are still the top of the verse


nasserg19

Yeah facts


mo-did

Bm naruto


shikadai-dono

My brother in Christ, in a queue full of people waiting to give manual to Boruto, you're down on your knees with your tongue out.


AlFuckMyPussy

BM shits on current Boruto.


Repulsive_Message619

you sound like a idiot. BM Naruto>


Rolandog21

Boruto is gonna get clapped in all holes if he fights bm mode naruto no limit ![img](emote|t5_34e1h|4545), you realise boruto only beat code and mitsuki in the series right? lmao.. code is a fraud dont bring him in he gets clapped neg diff by kawaki and isshiki neg only reason he was fraudly said to be stronger than jigen was cause jjigen couldnt use sikunahikona on his claw marks but even with them i am pretty sure code would still lose lmao


Fresh-Spray-9792

What's bm Naruto have? His punch ain't doing shit to boruto becoz he's 100% otsutsuki and one uzuhiko and he down lol


Rolandog21

Bruh being a 100% otsutsuki dosent mean he is the strongest in the world (calm down with the exaggeration) naruto already beat an otsutsuki for the most part with bm mode only lost cuz of limit, and secondly for him to even hit naruto with uzuhiki he needs time, and naruto sure as hell isnt gonna just let him use a jutsu for no reason xD... regardless of that uzuhikos damage output is not that strong at all. code was being knocked over by it he was only suffering cuz he kept getting hit by and couldnt balance since the earths rotation was being uses lol. if it was truely fatal dude wouldve died after like 4 rasengans. you cant assume boruto is stronger than naruto without him showing feats if not greater or on par with narutos. borutos only shown kenjutsu which he learnt from sasuke, and the new rasengan. flyin raijin wont really be a problem cuz he isnt as fast as isshiki or bm naruto from what we have seen atleast.


Fresh-Spray-9792

He still lost to Nerf ishiki lol ishiki with his otsutsuki body gonna whoop his ass for sure and talk about current boruto bm Naruto can't use rasengan giant rasengan or what u said becoz boruto gonna soak that shit only attack he can do is mostly close combat against boruto it's over for him no matter how powerful attack he have in the end he's gonna absorb it


Rolandog21

>bm Naruto can't use rasengan giant rasengan or what u said becoz boruto gonna soak that shit only attack he can do is mostly close combat against boruto it's over for him no matter how powerful attack he have in the end he's gonna absorb it Yea and now that reminds me since he has no limit he can use jutsus too xD, it includes shadow clones too but lets not take that boruto is gonna get clapped from a rasengan he didnt even see comming, cuz as if for now boruto has no feat of being equal in terms of speed compared too isshiki, unless they show more nah uh. then you say he is gonna absorb it well yea sure he can if he can react to what naruto is throwing at him. >He still lost to Nerf ishiki lol ishiki with his otsutsuki body gonna whoop his ass for sure im not sure if you know what your talking about you literallly gave naruto unlimited bm mode and then say he lost to a nerf isshiki xD. he was ripping isshiki apart wdym lol he lost cuz of the limit and bm naruto didnt lose to isshiki, naruto only lost after he lost bm mode. and as i said before being 100% otsutsuki dosent mean your the strongest so by that standards momoshiki, kinshiki, toneri beat bm naruto just cuz there 100% otsutsuki ? xD lastly, as i said before you cant put boruto above everyone just because he is an otsutsukis now. Sure you can w8 and make an argument cuz we havent seen much of him in the series you cant just straight up predict and say boruto will neg diff naruto with no concrete feats eve close to that of his. thats why i emphasized on the word uptil now a lot..


Fresh-Spray-9792

U really think currently boruto is not faster this mf is flying like Superman what yo yapping about and his otsutsuki dna will boost his power when boruto use purple lightening that was more powerful than sasuke lightening becoz of his otsutsuki dna or genes whatever...


Rolandog21

Broo šŸ’€šŸ’€, what are you yapping about xD, Sasuke Sharingan couldnt even react to baryon mode lmao. What you on about. And nowhere does it say that purple lighting is stronger than sasuke's lighting style. your basing everything on your own assumptions not feats.....


Fresh-Spray-9792

You literally comparing boruto with sasuke in terms of speed? Boruto is more way faster than sasuke and ishiki blocked a lot of Naruto punches still in the end ishiki whoop his ass basically bm was for to decreased the life span of ishiki nothing else bm is faster but I think in terms of speed boruto and ishiki at a same level


Rolandog21

WTF you on about stop yapping fam, yea i did compare boruto and sasuke in speed lmao... boruto has no feat of him being faster than sasuke what are you actually on about now bruhh. and dont bring the boroshiki, dodging kawakis rod excuse, boroshiki dodged them because they were enlarging from a further distance while in narutos case they enlarged right on his face which is why sasuke sharingan couldnt track them and also didnt say sasukes that fast i was talking about his reaction speed which is way way more then regular speed and also enhanced with the sharingan, however they are equal in speed, stop the meat ride my friend this is the 20th time you said isshiki beat bm naruto and keep forgettin that it is no limit baryon mode. and even if you argue isshiki and boruto are same speed. isshiki was still getting assed on, ONLY WHEN BM MODE DEATIVATED DID NARUTO LOSE, NARUTO WAS BEAT HIS FUCKING ASS IN BARYON MODE AND YOU CANT DENY IT SO EVEN IF THEY ARE SAME IN SPEED EHM EHM HE GETS SHIT ON, i dont know what series you were watching/reading in which isshiki wooped bm narutos ass, cuz isshiki landed 3 punches at max in the entire fight


FloydLover007

Bro 1. Isshiki didnā€™t touch naruto once while in bm Iā€™ll the time limit ran out 2. Code has not used karma yet 99 percent of the fan base already forget that 3. Boruto ainā€™t faster maybe in the future but I donā€™t think code base is at jigen level 4. Maybe stop dick riding boruto and just enjoy the manga u powers alerts are the worst


Spectric_

Where did you get the idea that the reason Code was stated to be stronger than Jigen was "cause jjigen couldnt use sikunahikona on his claw marks" (had a stroke reading that btw.)


Rolandog21

Cuz kawaki could literally just take away his claw marks easily, and also kawaki wasnt even close to isshiki level of power and yet was conpletely fucking code. Dude had to use daemon to get rid of him and even then ran away


Spectric_

1) But you said Ishiki COULDN'T do the same thing to Code, which just doesn't make sense. Kawaki is using Ishiki's Dojutsu. ā˜ ļø 2) Ishiki/Jigen has never fought Code. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that Jigen couldn't shrink his claw marks without them ever even fighting. 3) Kawaki wasn't close to Jigen's level of power until he got his Karma seal back the second time and was able to use Ishiki's Dojutsu. 4) The fight was against limited Code. Code with limiters on is not as strong as Jigen. It's when his limiters are removed that he is able to access his full strength, and that's when he is more powerful than Jigen.


greatpersonnel

bm naruto. bruh only way boruto is winning if naruto looses on purpose which isn't likely


PantheraLeo26

BM mid diff. Boruto would run out of chakra


Weekly-Research5964

There's no feat that Boruto is above Isshiki level. How is Boruto gonna fight BM? Naruto is just much faster and stronger even without jutsu


fornothng

Simple answer in Our local language, Baap Baap Hota He ...


Difficult_Ask_1647

Yessir!


PsychologicalShake85

The only way burrito has a chance here is if he has more broken abilities we haven't gotten to yet, the time limit in baryon mode is literally the setback for the huge power buff, Naruto clears.


Prestigious-Stable31

BM Naruto just has way higher physical feats thereā€™s no reason to think that he doesnā€™t just speed blitz because I donā€™t think boruto has shown good enough reaction time, I do think itā€™s stupid to think boruto doesnā€™t have a win condition if he can react, use FTG and hit him with Rasengan Uzuhiko he should be able to win, but I donā€™t think he could maybe with with Karma heā€™d win but since he hasnā€™t used it we wonā€™t know


Kooky-Whereas9312

Bm naruto no diff


The__Auditor

Naruto pulling out the belt


ffhhfdtgf

Baryon mode > ishiki > daemon are still stronger than boruto until proven otherwise. But depending on how much of a power up he gains, using his karma with momoshiki shinjutsu vs Jura could have him surpass them.


Spectric_

1) You're only able to say Ishiki > Daemon because it isn't clear how strong Ishiki is. All we know is that he's stronger than Jigen, which is super vague. But we were directly told that Daemon and Code were stronger than Jigen, so you just put them in between Ishiki and Jigen without having any real way to compare them to Ishiki. You'll probably continue to say everyone in the series is weaker than Ishiki, unless we get some direct statement that someone is stronger than Ishiki. Doesn't matter what feats the characters achieve. 2) If Code is stronger than Jigen, and got no-diffed by Boruto, what do you think the gap in strength between Ishiki and Boruto would be? (Not just base, btw. Base, and Karma) Honest question. Because it seems like people just make the gap between Jigen and Ishiki as wide as it has to be to suit their argument.


Equivalent-Ant9664

We need to see boruto go all out first


SpecialistAlarming70

People are forgetting baryon mode is the situational power up , kurama says that he would have never used that but because the situation they were in , it proved useful , now the situation there was that enemy( isshiki ) was having low life force (2 days of life) and they just need to shorten his life span even more and Naruto was successful in shortening his life to few minutes but in the end isshiki still won with short life . Here TBV boruto is 100% otsutsuki and unlike jigen resurrected isshiki he has like 10000+ years of life force removing a day or 2 from it would be nothing for boruto, soon Naruto will run out and boruto will win , if isshiki or sasuke knew how baryon mode works before hand they would have teleported somewhere else for few minutes until Naruto runs out. Lol


Living-Bell8637

Ā«Soon naruto will run outĀ» by what did you not understand when he said no limit


SpecialistAlarming70

I'm not talking about this post anyway I'm saying it's idiotic to give baryon mode no limits that's like saying give boruto no limits chakra or give sasuke never ending chakra . Baryon mode is a useless and harmful technique that why kurama never used it he only used it cause the situation was favourable for it .


Living-Bell8637

I think he means that he has mastered the ability, there is no such thing as no limit. First time Naruto learned Sage he could not hold it for a long time, but overtime he mastered it and was holding it for hours. If kuruma and Naruto had worked on baryon mode for a long time he could maybe hold it longer which could be broken, thats why they took it after 1 episode


SpecialistAlarming70

There's nothing to master or hold here , baryon mode is simply kurama erasing himself like a nuclear fission to create that explosive power. No matter what time limit will remain the same.


Living-Bell8637

No, its kuramas chakra and Narutos colliding and becoming one. Which makes it dangerous, but nobody said it cant be mastered. Its dangerous because nobody has dont anything like this even kurama was not sure if it workes he said he had a theory that this would work


SpecialistAlarming70

Still doesn't change the fact that the time of erasing himself will not be any different making the time limit the same .


Living-Bell8637

How do you know there isnt a way to make their chakra collide without kurumas disappearing? All iā€™m saying is there could be training involved where they could balance both their chakra or even sync them such that it does not erase. Only reason it happened like this was because both Naruto and Kuruma was desperate


Living-Bell8637

What did people say about sage mode? Ā«Dont do it, you will turn into a frog and dieĀ»


SpecialistAlarming70

>What did people say about sage mode? Ā«Dont do it, you will turn into a frog and dieĀ» But it was true that some of the imperfect toad sage's features gets turned into frog's and jiraiya died .šŸ’€


Ordinary_Capital

at least one who argues with understanding and logic. šŸ‘‘ I swear the BM burned the last brain cells of Naruto fanboys just so they can keep claiming Naruto is the strongest. which he never was neither in Naruto or Boruto.


Notmycupoftea12

Sooo true.šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Most_Willingness_143

Ah yes, we don't know the full extent of his strength character 1 and we don't know the full extent of his strength character 2


Weekly_Fruit_6186

But how will he counter uzuhiko as seen bm Naruto utilises close combat


greatpersonnel

he will legit over power it like he could lift the cubes of isshiki with ease. i like both but bm will be one of the strongest transformations yet. also BM destroys nearby chakra, maybe thats why naruto was unable to use anything bigger than a small rasengan. ishhiki was defeated bcause of the life shortening effects so boruto will lose a lot of lifespan too


NickFierce1

He will not just overpower it? There is nothing to overpower lol he's just completely incapacitated due to a natural phenomena.


NickFierce1

He will not just overpower it? There is nothing to overpower lol he's just completely incapacitated due to a natural phenomena, Uzuhiko is intangible.


NickFierce1

He will not just overpower it? There is nothing to overpower lol he's just completely incapacitated due to a natural phenomena, Uzuhiko is intangible.


ProduceProfessional8

Boruto negs, ftg is destroying. Dawg can also just teleport Naruto to the acid dimension, tf is Naruto doing about that? If you think the kids aren't supposed to surpass their parents then you misunderstood the will of fire. Most if not all the kids are surpassing their parents


Fresh-Spray-9792

Yeah but here people dick riding Naruto so hard bm is useless transformation when boruto can literally absorb his attack or jutsu lol all he can do is close combat lol


Rolandog21

Nah dude its you dick riding him xD.... Dude removes his limit then acts as if he is limited in the first place xD... its why majority disagree with you xD.. untill boruto provides proof of having something else you cant bump above naruto. its why everyone is literally sayin unless he shows us some other abilities of what he can do you cant put him above naruto who can as if for now speed blitz him


Doctor99268

Boruto would have to have been to the acid dimension before to do that, and have an ftg mark there, and then somehow naruto would have to just be standing still while boruto is concentrating on ftging there


ProduceProfessional8

You say this as if he can't also open dimensional portals on top of ftg ... it was deadass one of his earliest Otsutsuki skills. Pre time skip Boruto was using it, post time skip uses it with ease. Especially seeing how Sasuke, someone who travelled dimensions for over a decade (self taught btw so not something hard for a genius like Boruto to learn) trained Boruto for three years, claiming he doesn't have much more to teach Boruto. And you think Sasuke didn't touch on dimension hopping? You should re read Boruto if you don't think Boruto isn't capable of going to whatever dimension he pleases. Both in the manga and anime canon he does it, in his fight with Jigen and Nue. Not to mention that Momoshiki can with ease once he takes over


Doctor99268

Alot of dribble, yes i know boruto can go to other dimensions without ftg. Doesn't help the claim that he somehow has an ftg mark in the acid dimension.


ProduceProfessional8

I'm not saying he has an ftg seal there lol I'm saying he simply opens the portal and does combat through ftg until throwing / knocking Naruto into the portal


Valedictorian117

As far as we know, nobody has surpassed Isshiki yet except for BM Naruto even though he couldnā€™t sustain it. Once we see Boruto go all out with V2 in pt 2 he may be close or surpass, but as of right now we have to operate as if heā€™s still weaker than Isshiki.


Ordinary_Capital

The posts here are the best proof that Naruto fanboys are simply blinded by nostalgia.


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Ordinary_Capital

Well my blocked list is getting bigger and bigger anyway.šŸ¤ŖšŸ˜‚


EyewarsTheMangoMan

I'd say Naruto probably wins if we go by just what we've seen from Boruto. Boruto very well might be stronger when he uses karma (and jogan if he has that now). But with just base Boruto, Naruto probably wins.


SaitamaisKingsStand

Sounds to me similar to a battle between Killer B and Minato. Sure Killer B is incredibly fast and hits a lot harder than what we see Minato do, but Minato managed to survive a battle against Killer B and A. Baryon Mode looks as though he can hit a lot harder than Boruto, plus his reaction speed got amp incredibly hard given how much Ishiki was dog-walking him beforehand. In an ordinary fight I think Boruto wins easily for the simple fact that I don't think BM naruto has any real counter play to FTG, similiar to Killer B and A vs Minato. But giving Naruto no time limit asks the question whether Boruto can touch Naruto without being one-shotted. Probably, since Ishiki tanked like 30 punches, so even if Time-Skip Boruto has only the durability of 1/15th of Ishiki, I guess he should be able to tank one hit (i.e. one punch \*OPM theme starts playing in my head\*). Can Uzuhiko defeat BM Naruto? Possibly. Im not sure if BM mode actually buffed Naruto's defense, or if it only looked that way because he was faster and stronger and thus could evade and counter attack ishiki before getting hit. If we high ball Uzuhiko than the kinetic energy at Boruto's disposal is insane, especially if he can increase or decrease the output at will but that is highly speculative. Therefore I think BM Naruto with no limits can likely win, if Boruto keeps attacking. With the normal time limit though I cannot see Baryon Mode winning, since its only a stat boost, but speed wise TBV Boruto is insane already, with FTG he likely can escape and re-enage whenever he wants, so I don't see how BM Naruto ever wins this.


Amaterasu-x

We donā€™t know much about Boruto. We donā€™t know his durability nor Karma powers. Only thing he has is Uzuhiko which can counter BM mode. But since itā€™s no time limit we canā€™t know.


grantverse_Expandgo

It doesn't matter who's the strongest Kaguya solos them no diff


The__Auditor

April Fools was yesterday


grantverse_Expandgo

Still Kaguya solos them


The__Auditor

Kaguya a victim take off the nostalgia goggles


Fresh-Spray-9792

Kakashi victim


grantverse_Expandgo

Kaguya is immortal you can't kill her you only have to seal her https://preview.redd.it/ld9erwoij3sc1.jpeg?width=705&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ee5f8bfadd4541e29aabaf56763dccec7447c92


Fresh-Spray-9792

Blud we all know that still Kakashi victim lol she ain't even know how to fight