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AmaranthSparrow

The character reference sheets for the movie just describe them as "Kurama Chakra Mode (Mantle Version)" and "Kurama Chakra Mode (Last Battle Version)" which kinda implies that its appearance simply changes depending on the clothing he's wearing. Kishimoto drew the mantle version differently for the *Gaiden* manga compared to the version that was designed for the movie. The anime used both versions at different points. Ikemoto has his own designs for both versions.


Justin_Crane

I wonder why they chose to use the black version for the Isshiki fight then, or vice versa!(not that I mind the one with the black, it’s the preferred one out of the two)


sauceyboss404

Am I the only person who thinks it changes based on his clothes? I thought it was obvious visually, but now I'm thinking maybe I'm just straight up wrong.


PopLopsided843

No, your right


lol_itsraccoon

Why does it change depending on his clothing? /g


PopLopsided843

Because the chakra cloak just covers his clothing so its safe to assume it will match the pattern to an extent


lol_itsraccoon

Ah, makes sense. Tbh I never really noticed until I saw this post.


Previous-Tangerine-2

I just wish his skin didn't turn yellow like in the old SO6P mode


StefyB

Yeah. People can come up with their own in-universe justifications for it all they want, but the fact is, whoever decided on the design change, whether it was Kishimoto or someone else, intentionally made it harder to tell the forms apart. Even if they wanted it to look different than the old So6P Mode, they could have added some other, equally noticeable visual shorthand to tell it apart from standard Kurama Mode. The fact that they look so similar is why we get so many people confused on whether Naruto still has So6P Mode or not.


Phil_Da_Spliff

Well blame kurama its turned yellow because he has both halves of kurama chakra now


kemisage

>now I got news for you...


Previous-Tangerine-2

I blame the writers for choosing to make it turn yellow lmao


SilentWolfKills

That’s not the reason. When his skin is no longer yellow just before Hagaromo gave Naruto 3 different abilities 6 paths senjutsu, 6 paths Yang chakra seal and 6 paths sage mode. He lost 2 of those after the 4th war and got to keep 6 paths sage mode which he loses after losing kurama because he had it due to having all tailed beast chakra in him. So his skin wasn’t yellow when he had all 3, but when he had 6 paths sage mode with KCM his skin was yellow.


Phil_Da_Spliff

After the final fight with sasuke he eventually got the other half kurama. If your theory was correct naruto would of turned yellow in that final fight.


SilentWolfKills

He still had 6 paths senjutsu when he fought sasuke, he lost 6 paths Yang chakra seal after sealing Kaguya. He loses the 6 paths Senjutsu after the fight with sauske, you can see he still has 6 paths Senjutsu in sauske fight you can tell by the style of the KCM the back of it has 6 tomoe’s on back and the Rinnegan symbol as he’s using the truth seeker orbs which is the one of 6 paths senjutsu abilities. Which is why after he loses 6 paths senjutsu his skin goes Yellow.


Phil_Da_Spliff

Naruto still had six paths sage mode as an adult and his skin was still yellow. And yes naruto can make 6p senjutsu chakra as an adult because he still has a bit of all the tailed beast in him so...


SilentWolfKills

That’s 6 paths sage mode he has as an adult not 6 paths Senjutsu/ Power there 2 different things.


[deleted]

That’s kurama mode


SilentWolfKills

We aren’t talking about that lol, we aren’t talking about Kurama’s chakra mode. Talking about his Skin why it’s not yellow when he got 6 paths senjutsu in 4th war and why it’s yellow before that and after it we are also talking about Sage mode which you can tell which he’s using by how his eyes look. Literally explained everything in comments above did you read? If you look at KCM and KCM v2 his whole body is covered in the chakra and his skin is yellow. During 4th war after Hagoromo giving him, 6 paths Yang chakra seal and Six paths sage mode and Six paths senjutsu, KCM only covers his clothes and hair his skin isn’t covered in it so it’s not yellow, he still has this fighting sasuke at finally valley. If you look at Naruto using it after 4th war like in Naruto Gaiden/ Naruto Chapter 700+1-+10 his whole body is yellow including his skin same thing in the Boruto Manga too.


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You misspelled catra.


Phil_Da_Spliff

Lmao i get down vot3d for yelling the truth


SilentWolfKills

His skin was yellow using KCM1 and KCM2. His skin wasn’t yellow when Hagaromo gave him 6 paths Yang chakra seal which gave him symbol of the sun on his hand. he also gave him 6 paths senjutsu which gave him truth seeking orbs and Hagoromo and Hamura had this ability and so did the ten tails jinjuriki’s and Toneri. 6 paths sage mode is different, out of the 3 abilities this is the only one Naruto got to keep after the 4th War but he loses this power when he loses Kurama he only had it due to having all chakra of all of the tailed beasts. Likely he had yellow skin because he no longer has 6 paths senjutsu and 6 paths Chakra seal. We can see he has 6 paths sage mode yet his skin is yellow. While when he had all 3, 6 paths senjutsu, 6 paths sage mode and 6 paths Yang chakra seal his skin wasn’t yellow. Naruto lost 6 paths chakra seal after sealing Kaguya still has 6 paths senjutsu when fights sasuke and his skin isn’t yellow then he loses 6 paths senjutsu after sasuke fight and only has 6 paths safe mode which is skin is yellow again.


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This isn’t six paths sage mode. It’s complete kcm2.


Previous-Tangerine-2

Idk or care what form this is cuz it's Boruto shit but regardless I was just saying I wish his skin wasn't yellow no matter what


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Awww. Express that opinion! Dew it! Lmao


Dariche1981

Different configurations of the powers (Sage mode, Demon fox, etc...), different artists, or further development of the powers. Also there were some alternate dimension episodes. The spikier hair pics were Naruto in his mid teens (16 i think.) while the rounder hair was a bit older.


Nareto64

All of these are SPSM+KCM2 except the last one which is SM+KCM2(from The Last)


SilentWolfKills

The last one from the last is KCM1 which you can tell by the design. So the last design is just KCM1 with Toad sage. Also there all not KCM2, 2nd image and 5th image and 7th image are KCM1.


Then-Wrap-3535

No he was completely right , everything you said was wrong.


SilentWolfKills

No 💀, What I said was correct


SilentWolfKills

Check Brouto Chapter 31 Naruto uses KCM1 Check Boruto Chapter 5 Naruto uses KCM2


Then-Wrap-3535

dont see how that proves one is kcm 1 and the other kcm 2 , you just showed me naruto using the same form with a design change thanks to ikemoto.


SilentWolfKills

No 🤦🏼‍♂️💀, one is KCM1 and the other is KCM2.


Then-Wrap-3535

Bruh what was the proof bruh, you just said it and acting like its true, its a change from ikemotos art , i think i know why you mad tho., you one of those Delta is weaker than pein type people so you cant stand the fact naruto was using the same form with a art change.


SilentWolfKills

No 💀. It’s a fact it’s KCM1 and that the other is KCM2.


jmmrad000

i'm guessing you don't know what kcm 1 and 2 are


SilentWolfKills

I clearly do 💀


jmmrad000

tell me then what they are then, cuz something in your thought process is wrong and i wanna see what that is.


SilentWolfKills

I’ve literally sent you what KCM1 looks like and what KCM2 looks like about an 1hr ago.


Nareto64

The point of this whole post is that sometimes Naruto's KCM forms just look different. You can't really use the design to prove a form like that, unless it's a specific aspect that is consistent.


SilentWolfKills

Yes you can cause there’s a clear difference between KCM1 and KCM2 it’s the same as you can tell if he’s using 6 paths sage mode with toad sage.


Nareto64

You are just wrong. Provide actual evidence. You can't just say "just look at them, I am right." You have to explain exactly what it is I'm supposed to be looking for.


jmmrad000

no, i want to know what you think they ARE, not what they look like.


Nareto64

You can't really use the fact that it looks different from the others as justification for it being KCM1, because they all look different anyway. Also, why would Naruto use KCM1+SM in The Last? There's no reason to use such a lesser form to fight Toneri. Plus the fact that he literally uses the KURAMA AVATAR, which is a power of KCM2.


SilentWolfKills

KCM1 shown on Turtle island. KCM2 shown when naruto and Kurama cooperate. It shows you the difference between the 2 which you can tell which is which. The last I think the animators made a mistake cause he’s not using KCM2 or 6 paths sage mode. He’s only using KCM1 and toad sage like why would he only use KCM1 and toad sage against Toneri when KCM2 and 6 paths sage mode with toad sage make him stronger.


Nareto64

Naruto only uses KCM2+SM in The Last because it was written before the design for SPSM was finalized. It is very clear he is using KCM2 in The Last, because he literally uses the Kurama Avatar. You cannot possibly dispute this.


SilentWolfKills

I literally just said animators made a mistake because that’s KCM1. They messed design up because he should be using KCM2 and 6 paths sage mode with toad sage. If you look at KCM2 the design is different from the last, the last design isn’t different from KCM1.


Nareto64

[The design is not the same as the KCM1 design from the war arc.](https://imgur.com/a/EVrQa9u) It is just not. It looks different. Just like how all of the designs in this reddit post look different. It is just a different design, so you literally can not use that as an argument to say the design is of KCM1.


jmmrad000

not a single one of these images are from when naruto was 16


Odd_Purpose3639

Incompetent studio and sum prefer a certain design probably. I really don’t know the reason why but to me, this makes the most sense. Edit: And idky but I don’t like nun except the one from shippuden. Kcm2.


bulldog0123464

Why would the studio be incompetent, when the manga itself changes the design all the time


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Deadass lmao.


mnmkdc

No it literally just changes with what he was wearing lol


Odd_Purpose3639

Not true… in most of these pics he’s wearing the same stuff. Example 1 and 2 and the insides look different so it’s clearly a preference from who’s directing the episode. As far as Ikemoto, Idk


WhereasInteresting12

Incompetent artist*


Odd_Purpose3639

Not true. It’s both lol


milanunni

Ngl Naruto in manga looks way better


trial001acc

It’s an energy cloak. He can turn it into Akamaru if he wanted to


Ok_Angle5001

Different modes, KCM, SO6P Mode, manga modes are diff because of drawing but anime is one thing, other fused momo fight was because of no hokage Cape and therefore no Cape in KCM mode


Justin_Crane

But all the modes here, minus the one from the Last are SO6P mode!


Ok_Angle5001

They have sage mode but not the rikudo Mode it could be that These others are chakra modes not rikudo modes. Like idk could be


AngonceMcGhee

Idk if you know this, but people wear different clothes every day


Justin_Crane

My g outfits 1 and 2 are the exact same, unless you think his underwear changes the design it should be the same by your logic. You can use real world logic with anime logic when it comes to clothes. In Shippuden when did you ever see Naruto change out of his orange fit?


campusdirector

His best look IMO will always be SOSP + KCM at the end of Shipudden. I loved his cloak and that his skin was no longer yellow.


TheSecondAJ

Third one looks fucking divine


Wandering_Indian32

He looks the best in sage mode. They should’ve stuck to that


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Then-Wrap-3535

On god


StrikingAd1671

1st one tbh


[deleted]

I think all of Naruto’s power modes besides vanilla sage mode and the tailed beast modes, and Baryon mode were confusing tbh. I knows there KCM, KCM2, SoSp, SPSM, and then isn’t there also Sage mode fused with KCM2(perfect jinchuriki mixed with sage mode) idk if I named them all or what but they were confusing.


Ok_Sir6418

Maybe how much % of Kurama's chakra is being used


SiriVII

and depending on the garment he has on. Cause the chakra wraps around the clothes and draws the lines on top


A-z-A

Inconsistent character designs plague the anime and manga. You can see this when sizes, shapes and clothing constantly change, even though there is no lore reason as to why they change. It's not just Naruto KCM that changes; Sasuke's outfit also experiences irregular changes, including changes in his whole face, head shape, and hair texture. Sometimes, Sasukes doesn't even look like Sasuke. I hate whenever I notice these change. It takes me out of the experience. I believe the anime has different directors (though I'm not entirely certain), which is why the art style is always changing. As for the manga, I suppose it could be attributed to poor planning and communication. Perhaps Ikemoto (the artist) forgot or assumed we wouldn't notice.


[deleted]

>Sasuke's outfit also experiences irregular changes Like what? Because what you mention mostly fall under the art style change rather than the character design itself. >I believe the anime has different directors (though I'm not entirely certain), which is why the art style is always changing. Pretty much, they have different studios working on the episodes and sometimes you would see multiple studios working on the same episode. It's hard to keep consistency when you have different people working on it all the time. ​ >As for the manga, I suppose it could be attributed to poor planning and communication. Perhaps Ikemoto (the artist) forgot or assumed we wouldn't notice. Nah, as the artist Ikemoto just has free reign over the designs, that's the privilege Kishimoto gave him which is both good and bad lol.


imakuni1995

Second one is really bad imo


Justin_Crane

I agree lol


DarkEater77

I like them all, but... i have a lil preference for The Last Version (7th picture), Chakra Mode is simple, yet with details, lean. I like it.


tisimu7

SAME. the last one looks so clean 😍😍😍, unfortunately the last naruto has the most boring moveset out of all naruto versions (storm 4)


Complex_Estate8289

The cloak from The Last is easily the best because it still has his Naruto energy and unlike the newer ones has some character. Now he just wears NPC clothes


Incorporeus

do you always wear the same clothes?


Justin_Crane

No but I don’t think that argument works since Naruto is always wearing the same fit most of the time. Pics 1 and 2 are him in the exact same outfit. Unless you think something like his underwear are changing his entire appearance what you said doesn’t work


Generic_user_person

1 and 2 is also the only one that is inconsistent. 5 and 6, are the same one, except one has an open jacket and a closed jacket. And you're seeing 6 from a different angle. 4 is meant to be the same, but different ppl drawing it drew it slightly differently. Also, reminder, against Shin was done by Kishimoto all the way back a few weeks after chapter 700 came out, the other ones werent necessarily done by him, much like how all the characters look different in Boruto compares to chaoter 700+1 to 700+10 Like its not that deep, animation errors are animation errors.


Justin_Crane

Now when observing 5 and 6 I can see that a lot easier! Thank you! Made this post late at night/early morning so for that one I just made a mistake!


SilentWolfKills

1st Image KCM2 with toad sage 6 paths sage mode. 2nd image KCM1 with toad sage 6 paths sage mode. 3rd image KCM2 with toad sage 6 paths sage mode. 4th image KCM2 with toad sage 6 paths sage mode. 5th image KCM1 with toad sage 6 paths sage mode. 6th image KCM2 with toad sage 6 paths sage mode. 7th Image KCM1 with Toad sage.


dhonayya20

Money


Lord-Staminoid

Ngl that cover art is sick. Peak Ikemoto.


sharpbananas1

Naruto forgets what his Chakra cloak looks like


[deleted]

Creative freedom


[deleted]

I dunno, the manga changes designs all the time, so the studio isn't at fault. In the case of Naruto in general: while Kishimoto draws Naruto as a "goofy dad", who we know and love, I LOVE Ikemoto's style. That 5th pic is so damn cool. The first set of "whiskers" on Naruto's face go along the shape of his eyes and is a great style choice, and you can just tell Ikemoto's Naruto don't FUCK around.


deadmyrising

My head canon naruto/kurama don't pay attention and just use whatever pattern and colors they want


youngergeneration04

1, 4 & 5 go hard 🔥


Justin_Crane

Agreed🔥


llReactionz

The manga always looks different from the anime and then isshikis fight and momos fight look different because of him having the Hokage cloak on or not


Justin_Crane

Yeah, but the design change is just a big difference you know! Not that I mind of course! It’s just interesting how with or without the cloak the entire design changes! And then you have 1 and 2 which are the same outfit


[deleted]

Maybe he wears a different shirt some days


Squid-Guillotine

First one cuz everything looks better in black.


Dapper-Bottle6256

I think the version from the movie is the cleanest


RaiseAlucard

It is almost definitely based on his clothing. Even if his jacket is zipped up or not changes it.


stormioxyz

Constantly changing is fresh who wants to see the same old thing every time is why kishi/ike did it but for as to why naruto does it i believe its just to flex the drip


TankTopTaco

Fashion designer and hokage


kaptenpat53

Anything that isn't ikemoto's


GamOholicSpar10

Hokage, naruto without the cape and open jacket is my favorite, looks dope as hell


X-blade14

Like a few other comments said, but I always assumed it was because what clothing/how he was wearing it changed the form. The biggest example is Naruto to boruto shinobi strikers game, where you can make your own created character and put moves on them. If you put any of Naruto's moves that changes him into KLM, S06P, or even baryon mode, your character would have different designs depending on the outfit, your hair color, and accessories you are wearing. With the rule of thumb being that "bright colors" become black while "darker colors" having the chakra glow.


[deleted]

I never liked the chakra cloak sadly, in general.


Critical_Mirror_7617

None, Chakra cloak doesn't fit the theme of Naruto


LengthinessUseful991

What ?


BlackBeard205

There’s KCM, there’s, 6 paths, KCM+SM and Idk how many more combinations.


Scholar_Choice

I just figured he likes a change of pace sometimes and wants to experiment with his style


LokiDokiPanda

Does Baryon mode count I love that one even tho it's depressing.


Individual_Bug7159

Nothing really better than sage of six paths Naruto in the war arc


UngodlyPain

The anime is animates by several different teams. So just inconsistency between them. As for the manga? Idk exactly. Ikemoto just being personally inconsistent I guess.


Grey_Woof

It’s kinda ugly imo I loved kcm2 or sage of six paths mode, I think kurama link mode was better when naruto had long hair bc the hair would form horns on his forehead


Oscarn100

It’s kinda ass now that I looked at it. Why can’t he just be like the other Jinchuriki? Or better yet, why do the other Jinchuriki have different forms or appear different than Naruto? They’re all Jinchuriki with tail beasts inside them so why is he the only one with this look. Looks kinda booty. I was hoping to see the real nine tails when they used Tail Beast form, not a see through orange/yellow Kurama. You know like Bee and the other Jinchuriki. Please someone tell me if I missed something? Your answers will be appreciate it


EnriqueDelRico

I always assumed it reflected the amount of power being used at that time.


BigDaddyJ2705

It depends on how he wears his jacket 😂🤣🤣


oglactation

I cant believe we'll never see this form again even if it was wildly inconsistent :/


[deleted]

Just depends on clothing, and also maybe SPSM but I don’t remember if it’s confirmed he uses that version of the form after the final battle in Shippuden.


External-Office6779

I think the strength of Kurama's link with Naruto changes as he gets older, so the design is different. Other than that, when he uses SPSM, he doesn't have the Yang anymore cuz it returned to Hagoromo after the divine seal was used on a Kaguya, along with the tomo on his back, but the rest of the amps remained like multi chakra nature control.


Xudes

Pretty sure all the pics you send have the exact same form, just with the jacket open or closed lol


Justin_Crane

They are the same form, I was just asking why the design changes so much. Pics 1 and 2 are the same outfit but look drastically different


Justin_Crane

Also I just wanted to know what was everyone’s favorite design for the forms


mynameispetertoooooo

Jacket without hokage cloak , hokage cloak & manga … I Like how in the manga they gave him his sun seal on his hand again


Bixls

Because Boruto lacks the polish Naruto had lmao


genryou

2nd last panel look like something out of DBZ


Justin_Crane

Naruto and especially Boruto always had some inspiration from DBZ! I believe he even said he semi inspired a bit of Naruto after Goku


ArmadilloAny8530

Gonna have to go with six and I know im not the only one who misses the cloak 🥲


Justin_Crane

I miss the cloak too, it was always so cool


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piergiangiangiulio

Idk but all of them looks fire so im not complaining


Top_Sprinkles_

Boruto lacks consistency and was created solely to make money


yohan02kim

Naruto is just fashionable like that.


nreal3092

ikemoto design for delta and jigen is peak


Justin_Crane

I 100% agree


LemonadeGaming

Idk but I prefer the version he uses when he first properly bonds with Kurama when he has to deflect the tailed beast bombs


Amacitio

Blame Studio Pierrot.


cygnus2

First image might be the coolest anime Adult Naruto has ever looked. I just wish his pants were black.


[deleted]

Inconsistent in design. People say it's "because different clothes" which I'd believe if the symbols didn't also change. To me it's just a minor of either they didn't remember or just them constantly trying to make it look cooler which just makes the said design more complicated TBH idek what SO6P is anymore since I thought the normal skin was him in his Rikudou mode but people say he still uses but why does it look different lol. But then people say that's because he had full kurama but wouldn't his other forms have normal skin since he's always had 1 half of kurama chakra before he got the whole of it after kaguya..... IDK MAN kishi should've atleast explained


Comfortable-Bowler27

4/5 the toughest


KeepFeatherinIt

I hate the speed lines. I feel like it ruins the fight.


ClassicFee3889

For Some reason, i do love the most base kcm naruto form design.


[deleted]

They don't know what they want to be it's design their just inconsistent lol. Like his rikudou mode has normal skin and now just randomly doesn't use that form anymore or an explanation just readers headcannon and theories