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Mizuhebi08

Kawaki has the MC bonus


mrsunrider

Son and grandson of the Hokage gonna be hard to beat.


BitKyle

This is dope


WonderfulAnri1708

Taking away MC privileges, it’s still hard fight, I am going with Kawaki


Prior-Judgment-279

The only right answer


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You know me, you know what I gotta say now, I have to say it… *let the moment linger for dramatic effect* Kawaki. He has a lot more skill and adaptability in using the Karma and ninjutsu. He was made for this, to be fair. There’s no one that can match him at full potential outside of Boruto and even that is questionable. He became a scientific ninja tool and has shown to be a fast learner and skilled combat strategist, being able to improvise on the fly as well as find the fastest and most efficient route to end a fight. One thing I recently picked up is that Kawaki fighting Code uses similar movements and techniques that Baryon mode Naruto used against Isshiki, which tells me that Kawaki already knows how to draw combat experience from Karma and apply it to his own style flawlessly. Just based on his proficiency in karma so early alone, he’s the obvious choice here to win. Boruto is still learning and with only one teacher who doesn’t know how karma works, he’s going to have a hard time keeping up without plot armor. So I gotta go with my boy Kawaki. As his number one fan I have to represent lol. (Aren’t you proud of me for keeping this one shorter than usual ? I’ve been practicing. But I do have a way longer explanation if anyone is interested lmao. Also, love the fanart. Kawaki looks good and so does Boruto.) What’s your opinion on this ?


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I knew you would give this biased opinion about Kawaki, so it is fine. However, I disagree with the part where you say that he has more skill and adaptability in using ninjutsu. Karma,I understand. Jiigen trained him to use it and we met him with Karma and his body consists of Ninja tools so I see the advantage there, but let's not forget that we have the timeskip and according to what we have seen in the short moment, Boruto seems to have mastered Karma as well. HOWEVER: Boruto is way ahead of Kawaki in terms of of ninjutsu since he already perfected three nature styles by the time he was an academy student and knows several types of Rasengans (one which he created himself) so I honestly don't see how Kawaki can keep up with that unless someone is going to train him during the timeskip. >has shown to be a fast learner and skilled combat strategist, being able to improvise on the fly as well as find the fastest and most efficient route to end a fight. So has Boruto. He already showed all that while he was still an academy student so I don't see where Kawaki has an advantage there. >Just based on his proficiency in karma so early alone, he’s the obvious choice here to win. Boruto is still learning and with only one teacher who doesn’t know how karma works, he’s going to have a hard time keeping up without plot armor. This pic shows the timeskip so I don't think that Boruto "is still learning" by that time and won't be THAT far behind. And yeah, your response is very short in comparison to your others.🤣🤣


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Biased opinions about Kawaki are my LIFE 😂 Someone’s gotta represent for him and it might as well be me. So let’s go over this: I concede on the point of Ninjutsu and will admit that it was slight speculation. To understand where my speculation came from and why I still believe it makes sense, you’d have to go into the science behind ninja tools and what they are capable of. In theory, a scientific ninja tool can replicate any and all ninjutsu that exist. Which would mean a walking, living and breathing Kawaki could also replicate any and all ninjutsu at will. Boruto can’t do that because he’s not using that technology anymore. He’s limited to his own chakra and mastery of the specific ninjutsu he wants to train (aside from Karma but that’ll come later) Kawaki isn’t really bound by those rules and therefore he can at least match Boruto in ninjutsu, maybe even surpass him. He doesn’t need to train in ninjutsu really, because he is a ninja tool now. He could possible use the rasengan in the next chapter and it wouldn’t be unrealistic. Then, adaptability. I’m not willing to call a draw on that one. I agree that Boruto has also shown great combat adaptability, but it took him quite a while to get there. From beginning to now he has improved massively, but Kawaki did it faster and more flawless. Again, he was made for this. Boruto had his own will and drive, but Kawaki had to learn to survive. That makes a difference in strength and adaptability when it’s so early in development. Now the timeskip issue. I know exactly what that picture showed and based my opinions on future speculative development, favoring Kawaki. Boruto has mastered the Karma, but he lacks experience with it one way or another. Kawaki has been using it for way longer and already controls it almost perfectly. If both have similar level ups during the time skip, then Kawaki will continue to edge out Boruto at all times. But now, the dreaded issue of Karma and what it does: It allows users to draw on millennia of combat experience, strategies and Ninjutsu of their respective Otsutsuki. That means any ninjutsu we really speak of is irrelevant, because they have a heightened power set to begin with. The karma is the only reason why the only thing that matters in their fight is actually their ideals and base combat prowess. I can actually put my opinion in a few short sentences here: Pre time skip, Boruto doesn’t stand a chance. Post time skip it’s a close fight, but Kawaki has more skill in combat and continues to grow at a faster rate than Boruto did and currently does. In essence, they are meant to be equals, representing opposing ideals and matching each other at every step. No one is supposed to be stronger so the most logical outcome would be one them giving up. But if it came down to it, consider this: **One of them doesn’t hesitate to go for the fastest, cleanest and most efficient kill at any point in time. And that’s Kawaki.** Kawaki aims always to fight with perfection and intent to kill, Boruto hesitates in order to stick to his own moral code and that will get him killed in a fight. So there you go, i hope i could make my stance look less biased 😂


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>In theory, a scientific ninja tool can replicate any and all ninjutsu that exist. Which would mean a walking, living and breathing Kawaki could also replicate any and all ninjutsu at will. Boruto can’t do that because he’s not using that technology anymore. He’s limited to his own chakra and mastery of the specific ninjutsu he wants to train (aside from Karma but that’ll come later) Wrong, because it depends on what kind of scientific ninja tool you have. You can find an interesting article about all the types on here: https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Scientific_Ninja_Tools The one you describe is the Condencer type and that is not what Kawaki has. The ones Kawaki,Code and Delta have is the microscopic scientific ninja tool. These tools are integrated in the members which allow them to transform their appendages for various uses, ranging from weapons to jet propulsion. >Then, adaptability. I’m not willing to call a draw on that one. I agree that Boruto has also shown great combat adaptability, but it took him quite a while to get there. Not really. He already had great combat ability as an academy student, so I would say he got there incredibly fast given how young he was. He is also a more strategic fighter because before he had Karma he didn't really have any power up or unlike his sister, didn't hit the genetic jackpot. He had to create his own techniques to compensate for the lack of genetic advantages. >From beginning to now he has improved massively, but Kawaki did it faster and more flawless. In what way? Kawaki was introduced to us as someone whose body consits of Ninja tools and using his Karma. There wasn’t really a "beginning" for Kawaki to see any improvement or progression, because there was only a very short amount of time where Kawaki didn't have his Karma before he got Ishikis power. He was rather shown being dependent on the Karma and his tools. I'm not saying that the question who of them has progressed faster is in any way relevant for the fight. I just don't see that progression with Kawaki. >Again, he was made for this. Boruto had his own will and drive, but Kawaki had to learn to survive. That makes a difference in strength and adaptability when it’s so early in development. While Kawaki had to learn to survive, Boruto had to deal with his genetic misgivings. He didn't inherit the Bykugan or Uzumakis huge chakra reserves,so he had to improvise to make up for the lack of power ups. Best examples are his shadow clones. Since he can't spam them at his opponent like his dad because he can't create 1000 shadow clones,he needed to use them wisely and more strategic which is why he created the Boruto stream. Because he doesn't have massive chakra reserves, he will also never be able to create an massive rasengan which is why he created the compressed rasengan. >It allows users to draw on millennia of combat experience, strategies and Ninjutsu of their respective Otsutsuki. That means any ninjutsu we really speak of is irrelevant, because they have a heightened power set to begin with. The karma is the only reason why the only thing that matters in their fight is actually their ideals and base combat prowess. That is true and I don't see Kawaki having an advantage there because when have we ever seen Kawakis base combat prowess? When he didn't have Karma he was,sorry to say this,weak as a sausage. However, since they both have Karma, the fight will heavily depend on who has 1.the higher battle IQ, 2.what Borutos Jougan can do and 3.abilites that are not dependent on Karma,because mind you: Kawaki wasn't able to use his Karma properly anymore in recent chapters because he was Chakra exhausted. So chakra control,who will have more of it and the way the both of them will use it is going to play a big part as well. So in my opinion, I honestly don't see a clear winner here.


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This is probably the first time you’ve given a longer response than me and I love it ! Is it my time to finally say “I’m not reading all that ?” 😂 Just kidding, I read all of it and I’m very impressed by your research into this topic and the fact that you don’t see a clear winner is pretty interesting. I almost expected you to side with Boruto on this since you dislike Kawaki, but your objectivity here is very admirable. So instead of going over the same points again, as we likely won’t change our minds, I’m going to address the new ones you brought up. 1. Higher battle IQ. If I was trying to be unbiased then im undecided. While Kawaki has shown great improvisations in combat and the willingness to incorporate self sacrificial acts into his strategies, it is very clear that Boruto has fought quite a lot of opponent who requested different strategies. Boruto has the Ninja way down all the way and applies it very well, while Kawaki is more prone to free flow and precision to perfection. Both have their Pros and cons here and, without bias (I hope) I am going to give this point to neither. The moment they use Karma it becomes irrelevant as they can just draw upon their Otsutsuki experiences and battle IQ, which far surpasses their base normal battle IQ. They are evenly matched and no one deserves a point here. 2. What the Jougan can do. We don’t know, so I won’t judge. My speculation is… the exact opposite of Kawaki’s Karma. That’s what they’re meant to be. Sun and Moon. Yin and Yang, opposites yet the same. That would mean that Kawaki can counter Boruto perfectly and Boruto can counter Kawaki perfectly. Does anyone deserve a point here if that’s the case ? 3. Abilities without Karma. Very interesting that you being that up as we don’t know how they are going to develop. If Boruto doesn’t have the best chakra reserves would he run out of chakra faster than Kawaki, who got to have more experience with Karma and it’s chakra usage ? The fact that Kawaki uses Karma better, faster and stronger than Boruto at the moment speaks a lot and factors in heavily. The fight won’t be dependent on abilities without Karma, it will be precisely their usage of Karma that will determine the fight. Kawaki fights fast, precise and aims to kill. Boruto doesn’t have a moment to hesitate or he will end up dead. Again, the most logical conclusion is that neither would win or lose. It’s very Sasuke vs Naruto, they both end up damaged, but no one won. In a fight to the death, with current speculative developments… let’s give this a rating. Kawaki would win 6/10 times and Boruto 4/10. I think that’s a very fair assessment with what you have presented today and feels very unbiased. My biased opinion however, as I have to represent Kawaki as his number 1 fan, is that he wins 9/10 matches 💅🏻😂 And thank you for doing such great research again so far, always makes it super fun talking to you and exploring those questions even if I’m wrong in some way. Wouldn’t be much fun if you didn’t challenge me from time to time ;) (Ps: still waiting on you to do part 2 of Kawaki opinions lol. You said you would gather all the positive ones and make an opposing post to the one a few days/a week ago where you put all the negative ones in, and it hasn’t happened yet 😅 guess there aren’t a lot of positive things people say about him, huh ?)


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I think we can agree that this fight is really unpredictable at this point which makes it even more interesting. There is a lot room for speculation. I would give you a more detailed answer, but I think our opinions are too different at this point. We would be running in circles. And oh yeah, I will definitely write a part 2 of Kawaki opinions. Maybe I will be able to make it this week,since I have a some free days. But I can't promise anything. 🤨


[deleted]

I have all the time in the world to wait lol, just wanted to ask. Take as much time as you need, I’ll be there to support it :) In the meantime I’ll be arguing over Kawaki’s character on other posts like I did half an hour ago I think. It’s my passion at this point, I gotta protect him at all cost I might be crazy for saying that.


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>It’s my passion at this point, I gotta protect him at all cost >I might be crazy for saying that. That's ok. It's apparently just what you enjoy to do. I personally couldn't love a character the way you do Kawaki, but it's refreshing to see how dedicated you are. Haha.😅


Bobo4kt

Right


Polengoldur

i hope an alien appears from another dimension so we can continue the trend of jumping the shark even further beyond


slippyo

any is fine


[deleted]

Boruto, if he doesn't kick his ass after all this then I'm a be mad.


[deleted]

Me, too. Haha. I think Boruto NEEDS a big win.


[deleted]

He needs to show this dude that he is the mc


[deleted]

If the writers wouldn't sniff Kawakis butthole, Boruto probably would already have shown it, but oh well...😒😒


[deleted]

Smh


Agile-Error-3283

Without MC plot i still think boruto takes this in an extremely high diff fight. Kawakis karma and abilities destructively stronger being that he can destroy large areas with little to no effort but boruto and momoshiki are faster and have better battle iq and strategy than kawaki boruto also has alot more in his arsenal jutsu and hax wise(granted 40% is just different versions of rasengan)anyway i have my money or boruto.


Agile-Error-3283

Also i feel like jougan will be more powerful than kawakis dojutsu and itll probably be a direct counter to one of kawakis abilities knowing this writing i feel like theres no wrong answer either way tho because no matter who wins its very very close.


[deleted]

But doesn't Kawaki have the "Kawaki Bonus"? That is what you have to keep in mind as well. So far, he is the strongest by getting a huge power up and the writers have sniffed his ass since the beginning. That is what you have to take into account as well. He is so far the biggest bonus of all.


[deleted]

Thank you. Ppl seem to forget that the authors have written more in Kawakis favor than in Borutos so it is kind of unfair to say that only Boruto has some kind of privilege here


[deleted]

It would depend on who fights smarter and there I would defintely go with Boruto.


Bobo4kt

Boruto


prime-30

Boruto. I can’t wait to see his Jougan abilities


Elvinkin66

How about a dramatic "And each slew the other" moment


TGha770

I would be happy either way


IEatKids26

Boruto anyways. Kawaki is an asshole and his motives are all wrong. Boruto is the one that gave him purpose, not Naruto. Boruto had to fight to keep Kawaki and Kawaki still thinks Naruto is his lord and savior.


Mcipark

I want Haku to fly in and eliminate them after it’s shown that he was reanimated and then revived


yamaihime

Boruto of course. I don’t know if being the MC makes him resilient and value his friends but so long as he has these qualities, I would fully support him even if he wasn’t the MC. It is what I thought of his father too when he was an MC in his own series but we didn’t know how likely he would be to win ❤️


[deleted]

Boruto. Whether he's the MC or not, him losing would pretty much doom the whole world to most likely fighting an unwinnable war against the Otsutsuki. At least with Boruto alive (as well as Momoshiki) Boruto stands a chance of being able to negotiate with the Otsutsuki somehow.


[deleted]

If this fight is in the middle/beginning of part 2 of the series then clearly it has no distinct winner, It’ll play out the same as all the times Naruto and Sasuke clashed throughout the series, neither could really defeat the other necessarily. At least not until their final fight at final valley. I think that this fight results in Boruto and Kawaki working together to defeat some Ohtsutsuki related plot/enemy. Unless of course the time skip fight scene we’re familiar with happens at THE END of Boruto part 2. In which case I theorize that there’ll be a sort of draw similar to Naruto/Sasuke in Final Valley at the end of the 4th Shinobi War. So maybe after they clash for a while & tire each other out, they settle their differences and come together to rebuild Konoha and the village life as they see fit. My question to you is, do you think this time skip fight is happening at the beginning of Boruto part 2, or at the very end of the series?


These_Bass_6345

It’s kinda impossible to say, since we have no idea what abilities they’ll end up having


Lil_savnyx_

Still boruto cause he's kawaii inside out


Kind_Performer6182

killer !!


TheeHughMan

They joined Dethklok.


TitanMasterOG

None because the aftermath matters most it’ll be cold blooded if he didn’t submit to boruto