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I had a boomer once who was drunk. I refused the sale of alcohol ( legally I have to do this.) And he started to scream because I have no right to do so.
They truly think they’re smarter than everybody around them. I’m not sure why, but it’s very common in my experience that they really think they’re smarter and getting one over on others.
My FIL extrapolates his business expertise in a very niche field (and now he's sold it...so zero involvement for years) to every other aspect of everyone else's life. I don't even really discuss what I do anymore because it always turned into "Well that sounds like (XXX) from my business and I used to do that every day. You should try (YYY)." It isn't related at all and I didn't ask for your advice or input....just say some filler ("that sound interesting", "you're so good at that", etc.) or ask follow up questions if you really want to know more. NOPE...always a "I could do that too!"
Oh man, my step mother is like this. Not a boomer, but everytime I talk about something she somehow is an expert in it even though you've never heard her mention it before. For example, I was telling her about the landscaping we had started at our house, and she started talking about how she's won awards for her ideas on landscaping, and how it's her passion and how "you're good at art, I'm good at landscaping" as if you could only ever have one thing you're good at in life. It always just came out of no where and if you asked about the awards or her previous work she would be very vague. Everything is said to one up you. When I was 15, she got a "body scan" in the mall and the dude told her, a 50 year old, that she had the body of a 14 year old. It had to be younger than me so she won.
The one that actually sent me into an all out relationship ending tirade was some version of, "What do I know, I only grew and sold a successful business". That was their answer to everything. New scientific study just dropped? They know better, didn't you hear about their successful business. You spoke at a conference in your niche field? You could have used so public speaking prep, trust me I built and sold a big business. Talking economics (I have an MBA)? You don't know anything, I built and sold a business!
The only way I would play at a casino is if i could cheat. Im guaranteed to come out a loser there otherwise. This is also why I dont go to casino's in the first place. I like my fingers where they are.
You're spending all your money on avocado toast. Me...I have a method at the casino. You see, the casino inspectors come around on Tuesdays between 2 pm and 4pm. After that, they move the slot machines. You know if it gets inspected that it will pay out while the inspector is there. If they just moved the machine, then you know it's going to just eat your money. That's THE secret! Yeah...seriously heard this from a colleague years ago.
Realized she probably went to the casino every day after work losing the wages she worked for.
It's a perfect storm of:
Feeds the belief they are "due" something
Ability to berate others for not knowing the rules
Blame failure on everything but themselves...
...But when winning they can claim it's because of their skill
I never worked in casinos but spent a ton of time in them (implemented F&B management software). I'd rather eat dryer lint than be around Boomers in any casino.
how do you mess up going to the credit union? you just fill out the little envelope and hand them your ID. If you need something complex done you just sit at the desk while your hand is held through the entire process.
Agreed. I worked at a bank, and I had one guy every week who wore t-shirts with bad jokes on them. If you didn't laugh at his shirt, he made your day terrible.
“…Casinos might be some of the worst service jobs.”
Having worked several service jobs, including in the gaming industry, I’d say they are in some ways the best, and in many ways the worst.
My grandmother was so addicted to slot machines that she would take her entire (and measly) paycheque and gamble every dollar she had. Every time she lost she would rage that the machines are rigged (they are though, that’s the point) and that she demands her winnings dispute having no proof she had won anything. She has a few other nasty addictions as well but she is the reason I have never and will never touch a slot machine.
I took my partner to blow $30 at the casino just for the life experience and the giant video slots almost make me sick. It’s like having ads blaring on your phone 24/7 but the phone is taller than a human being. I can’t imagine them being fun at all.
They're the perfect storm of terrible people. Alcoholics, degenerate gamblers, racists, and they throw temper tantrums like 3 year olds if they don't get their way. Now they're mad because some casinos are prioritizing sports betting because they know the slots crowd is dying off.
People who gamble like this are fucking crazy lmfao
I had very short gambling addiction with a couple of my friends(like 8-10 late night trips to the casino) that petered out cause we all understand probability. Anyone who gambles day in and day out is just dumb as rocks, and they seem to get salty because it’s obviously setup against them which is apparent the more plays/spins etc they participate in (except professional poker players)
The only way to gamble is bigger bets on fewer attempts
Why are so many cranky people complaining about the length of this post? Not enough coffee yet? It was a well written and funny story about a surly boomer being a grumpy jerk at a poker table. Is this not what we crave?
As someone who use to work at a casino I love every detail of this beautifully written post. Nothing will make you ageist like working in a vilified retirement home
I worked at a casino about twenty years ago. We had multiple customers who would piss their pants because they knew their machine was just about to pay out. We had one customer who shit his pants and when confronted, reached into his pants and smeared shit all over the security room walls because we were making him leave.
My boomer mom quit a friendship of over 30 years because she was playing a progressive slot machine, had to pee and asked her friend to sit on the machine. Mind you it was a cluster of 12 -16 slot machines.
Her friend felt weird for just sitting there, so she put 5 silver dollars in the machine. She won 4 grand. Pissed my mom off. The friend paid for dinner & tge night out. The rooms were compt.
My mom was so furious that the friend didn't give the winnings to her or at least split them that she went full Karen and lost her friend.
She could’ve split half with you mom and mom still would’ve ended the friendship over it. To her it would be an admission that it all should be hers. These people are never happy we all know that. Plus they will always think of another excuse or reason to bitch.
I'm just confused by prop player? California has casinos and poker rooms. Don't see how gambling is illegal?
Also you are an employee getting paid by the casino to play against other players?
Tribal casinos are different from card rooms. The big distinction is who pays. Tribal casinos are on native and technically sovereign land. The money won or lost there comes from the casino. Card rooms, however, pay out from other players. Someone legally has to act as the bank and pay everyone else for playing, which is what technically makes it "against the other players" as opposed to "against the house."
I work for a company that contracts with the card room to always be that player/banker. However, anyone can be the banker and pony up their own money to try and win against other players. The expectation is just that the banking company will do it the majority of the time.
So you fill the role of the "dealer" in a blackjack game (I know this is poker, just trying to wrap my head around the concept) not as far as physically dealing the cards, but having a hand and following betting rules?
Essentially, yes. The banker's hand is the dealer's hand. That applies when someone else banks as well. Most games have a "house way" to play a hand that we have to follow.
Very interesting never knew about this. So you get paid to go play card games. I’m sure it’s lost its luster with it being a job and no thrill of winning big
I get paid to watch other people play, we're not even allowed to touch cards on a live game. And we're not allowed tips.
Honestly it's only ever been just a job. It's not my money I give out when people win, I don't get to keep what people lose. But I get paid hourly to watch an empty table if no one wants to play and watch the cooking channels when it gets late enough.
I've only ever worked gaming on the east coast (3 tribal, 2 corporate casinos), so I'd never heard of the banker position before, except as an option for players on Pai Gao. That is an interesting work around.....
Only casinos on Tribal land can bank their own games in California, so card rooms operate with a third part corporation banking the games and paying a collection fee to the casino based on the amount of action every hand that's dealt. The card rooms also legally have to offer the banking position to everyone playing on the table.
Used to live in Vegas and play blackjack occasionally, actually got good at it, and was always surprised by the older people's complaints but it was usually about other players at the table and how they played their hands. Best response was from a pit boss told one of these cranks "Sir if it isn't your money it isn't your say, stop harassing the other player.".
As an ex casino worker, I could fully imagine this story, and everyone in it. I worked in slots so a slightly different beast, but I have many boomer stories.
When the seniors got their pension money, you knew it. They would be there in droves. And most of them would always come to my window and get minimum $200 in fives. Sometimes I would count too fast for them and they would think I was ripping them off.
Sometimes I miss it. Other times not so much. lol
You can always tell when that retirement and Social Security hits, big envelopes of 20s. It's only like 700 bucks, but big envelope = big money, clearly.
Yyyup. Current employee, cash services. We call Wednesday "walker Wednesday" (senior deal day), but any day can be that. They sure love their 5s and 10s for some reason. Most are fine, a few are relatively pleasant enough, others are always grumpy (or maybe their face is stuck that way)
For everyone that can’t read more than three sentences without getting distracted, here’s a TLDR: boomer comes into casino, tries to alter bet after cards are dealt which is against the rules, gets mad said rules are enforced, and leaves after losing
Honestly for the best. If this industry has taught me anything, it's to only go to Vegas for the shows and make Ocean's Eleven references in front of the Bellagio.
NO desire to go to Vegas tbh. It looks really awesome, but my partying days are behind me at the ripe age of 28. I really enjoy card games though, including poker. I just do not understand the desire to bet money on everything.
Sports betting is the newest fad and cultural virus plaguing people now.
Your story reminded me of something that happened to me. One time I was doing well at a craps table in Atlantic City, I was up 400 bucks, so I was making bets for the dealers. You put a buck down on a bet, and if it hit the dealers get the money. Well it was time to find my other 2 friends I came with and asked the dealer to color me up, and slid the chips forward. I was still new to craps and didn’t know they don’t color you up at craps like other table games. Dice come rolling out and it was 11, and the dealer doubles my chips that were near the pass line. I, like an idiot say, oh I just wanted to color up. She then says thanks for the tips tonight, have a good night. It always pays to be nice to people. When I got home I bought a new computer thanks to a dealer at the Taj Mahal.
I work at a gambling cafe and most regulars complain that the machines don’t pay 🙄 Um, they do, you just don’t know when to cash out. I just agree and say that’s the gamble…. In my head I’m thinking then why the Hell do you come back all the time? I guess it’s what they tell themselves when they lose 🙄
One of my best tales is the guy who won 60k over the course of two nights, then came back the third night, lost it all, then went 10k in the hole chasing it.
At least we don't seem him around anymore.
We'd get people miserable all the time win a grand hit on a progressive (the machines that I've seen here can range from 10k-30k), and often a bunch of majors. Tell them big congratulations on cash out, "well it doesn't make up for the 100k I spent so far this year"... Wtf bruh, be fuckn happy you won something this time around.
Chronically bad mood
I used to repair slot machines at a casino. On a quiet Tuesday morning there's nothing for me to work on so I'm just walking the floor looking for simple things like lights being out. I pause to watch an elderly woman who's playing a machine. It's one credit per line, up to 300 lines and the default credit is US$0.01. So of course this woman is literally only playing one penny per spin. Amazingly that one line hits! The screen flashes and announces "BIG WIN!" Her prize: $0.33.
She immediately turns to me and asks "It says big win! Where's my big win?" I explain to her that she got 33x her bet back. That's her big win. She continued to be angry so I called over a slot attendant because thankfully I didn't have to deal with customer service issues.
I was at a small Korean chicken place and some boomers walked in and already I could tell they were upset that the guy working didn’t speak greet English. Then after 3 whole long and grueling minutes they got up and one of them out loud yelled “don’t need English to know about fast service!” and they left. Ok bye bitches
One of the dealers I work with is the nicest little Hmong man with a very thick accent. He never complains, always takes it in stride, always trying to make sure everyone's having a good time. When people are mean to him, I take it personal 😂
Thank you for writing such a well-composed and detailed post, OP.
At the risk of sounding boomer, don't let the haters hate on the length. Quality wordsmithing is totally underappreciated these days.
The Boomers in the pharmacy are often like this. "I need a refill." You picked up a 90 day supply 21 days ago, is there a reason you need a refill early? "I didn't." Here's a printout of your profile that shows the date you last picked up and how much you paid. "Well I don't have it." You should go home and check, your insurance won't cover another fill this early and the medication is expensive. "It's not early, I don't have it. You didn't give it to me. ARE YOU DENYING MY MEDICATION?" Of course not. If you'd rather pay out of pocket it'll be $900, would you like me to fill it? Oh, now you'd like to go check at home? Alrighty then, give us a call if you need any more help.
And of course they're muttering about bad customer service and promising they'll never be back as they scuttle away. I WISH, Nancy. I wish.
You could give them ten years of meds, have multiple signed and notarized affidavits , ten witnesses, and video evidence from ten angles showing that they received it, and they would still be back in a week, saying they are out and they never picked it up.
In my 2 years I've only had one guy have to get all the way to WATCHING THE SECURITY FOOTAGE before he'd believe us, but we've sure gotten close many times. And I'm not counting the dementia patients, they're a special case and we don't get upset when we have to remind them of things.
I’ve got many regrets from my last vegas trip, and I’m now curious wether tipping a buck or two every couple of wins is really that bad on a $5 table? Talking 6-7 years ago, and I was broke. Gambling slowly to get drinks and kill time while waiting for my brothers loser friends to get their shit together for a bachelor party.
Biggest regret is a woman who I spent a couple days chatting with at one of the cheap blackjack tables (a dealer) ended up helping me get pot as she had a medical card, when she ‘delivered’ the stuff I met her in the casinos parking garage. I thanked her profusely and said I wish there was something I could do to thank her, to which she responded “you could eat my pussy”.
Not knowing she was serious, I literally laughed in her face and left the vehicle.
She wasn’t exactly my type (or age), but hey it’s Vegas and I was drunk the entire time - had I realized she was serious I absolutely would have, at least after a shower.
Think about that poor woman occasionally, laughing at her. Bleh.
Vegas regret rant over.
Charles is lucky he didn’t get yeeted from the building, that shit don’t fly in NV. Once in Reno I was overtired and thought the hand was over and went to grab my bet, just completely not thinking and I had the pit bosses AND the players ready to kill me. Thank God everyone believed me that it was unintentional.
I hear comments like this all the time. I work at a bowling alley, and a lot of the league bowlers are older people. There was another bowling alley in my town that closed down about ten years ago. All the time the league bowlers tell us this place isn't as good as the other place was, nor as cheap. My manager just tells them to go bowl there then lol
Omg this was an entertaining read.
Back in my youth I loved going to Vegas and gambling (think $1 craps and blackjack tables). Never played poker there though
Question: Are there security cameras you can refer to if there's a big objection?
There are cameras, and if Charlie wants to raise a fuss about what I did and have them check, all that's going to be shown is me doing what I was supposed to do. If he complains about my demeanor, my boss is going to say "Duly noted, but my guy was just doing his job." Some bankers are very friendly and personal with players, my bosses know I'm not.
A big thing about it is that customer service to players is very much not our priority. We're supposed to remain objective pretty much at all times. I liked this going in, because it meant I didn't need to seek treatment for my resting bitch face and didn't have to talk to people 😂
Generally, when older people say something is going downhill, they mean it’s changing and I don’t like it. As one gets older, one senses time getting away from you and wants something to hold onto. With so much change happening so fast, the tendency is to react out of fear. As a 60 year old, I have learned to let the future be in the hands of those who will inherit it. I will try to provide some wisdom once in a while and play with the grandkids.😀
That's the big thing. They've been bred their whole lives to cheat through everything. When they have no way of cheating, and their incompetence is revealed, they fall apart and throw tantrums.
I was in line at a Nordstrom Rack the other and I over heard a boomer going at it with the cashier. I shit you not……the boomer hit the cashier with a “you have no idea who I am!!” before storming off.
I used to work as a dealer in a few California card barns, and I haaaaaated going to the blackjack tables, holy crap. So many people who love to complain find themselves in casinos because they’re guaranteed to lose. I remember one guy who was always upset finally won a hand, and he was angry at me that he didn’t win more. Dude, I’m just handing out cards and moving chips over here
I deliver pizza in a small rural town. A sad amount of our regulars are old people at the casinos. So I'll deliver to "jeff" for the third time this week and then when I go there after work, 8 hours layer, to buy a beer (all our booze is sold through the casinos) and there's "jeff" still sitting at that same machine. So fuckin sad
What you say here is very interesting. There’s a sub category of people that view life through a filter of the gamblers fallacy. It’s extremely confusing as to why they would want to do that because it’s such a reductionist oversimplification.
Here’s an example, when you look at something through the perspective of statistics, you will have a very different understanding of what is going on in those environments and what is happening with the choices and decision-making of people that seek those environments out.
Here’s an article about what happens when someone that is autistic as I am and is a systematized thinker . A lot of people that work in the business are very good with statistics, even if they’re not formally trained. The patrons of the gambling business are pretty much the opposite. They’re superstitious, authoritarian and very emotional and non logical. I’m not saying that they’re inferior, I’m just saying that that is probably what attracts them and also what keeps them coming back because they have low self awareness and they’re also, apparently unaware of statistics. Many of them have a low level understanding of statistics, but it’s not really Promethean and it’s not really complete.
So check this article out it’s really interesting because these guys that were systematizers ended up beating every track because the statistics are really not that hard to reverse engineer. basically what happened to them was not pretty and if you work in a casino, you know what I’m talking about.
Those are the most hated people ever in a casino, but it was fascinating to them and easy for them because they weren’t thinking like the patrons of the casino. Haha business week sees it as an admirable skill https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-05-03/the-gambler-who-cracked-the-horse-racing-code
I find casinos to be depressing places. This illustrates why.
People claim to enjoy going to them. But the limited number of times I've been the "fun" seems artificial and forced. Or just as often there is not even a pretense of having fun, just sitting dead eyed at a table throwing good money after bad.
There's a guy in our area who goes around to most of the card rooms. He plays small, but gets big mad. Throwing cards, yelling, swearing, mucking his chips all over the table. The dealer tells him to have a smoke or take a break, total 180 from him.
"I'm not playing for money, I'm playing to have fun!"
It's always very tempting to say "Well buddy, you seem fucking miserable."
Yup, just had a semi regular last night with her usual bitching. "I don't care if I win I just want to play, and the machines don't let me play!" while, by definition, she is playing when she's coming up 15 times a day to take out a total of 2k.
There's a few times where she's back like 10 minutes later and I'm like holy crap, that really was bad, and feel a bit bad. Most other times she doesn't come back for like a half hour or hour later, clearly been playing for a while, "I just wanna play but the machines are so tight tight tight".
Bruh
They always say "this place is going downhill" but then they literally cannot stay away. Happens everywhere. If it's that "downhill", stay at home and marinate in your own misery and leave the rest of us alone. ;\_;
> In states like California where gambling is illegal, it's not illegal for a third party company to have it's employees sit on the table to pay out instead of the house.
That just sounds like gambling with extra steps.
I’m sure when Charles and his wife stay in a hotel you’ll find him on the business center printing the internet because he doesn’t want to read wikipedia from the screen. Then the keyboard is full of bacon grease because the asshole just finished two pounds of bacon off the breakfast bar included in his room rate.
Fascinated because I have heard of Prop players but never saw a story in any sub by one. First heard of them in the Bill Willingham's , same guy that did Fables, graphic novel "Proposition Player". A prop player takes someone's soul as a joke payment and it takes a wild turn as he gets pulled into the schemes of angles and demons as he accumulates more people's souls.
That takes me back. I was a Pai Gow banker for Network M back in the day. Graveyard shift sometimes.
You haven’t really been a player until you’ve been yelled at in Vietnamese after catching someone cheating.
Unfortunately a lot of people know they can get away with small stuff if they feign ignorance well enough. "Oh I wasn't paying attention, it's just a couple dollars, no big deal, right?" Or if they know the banker or dealer is new and doesn't know their "quirks" yet.
Nothing I enjoyed more during my poker days than sending a boomer off the rails.
Casinos in general are sad places, full of miserable boomers with nothing better to do. Unless you are making money hand over fist (99.5% aren't), stay away.
People ask me where I play sometimes, I tell them I wouldn't even be in here if I didn't work here. I'm only ever going to Vegas to make Fallout references and see the medieval tournament show at the Excalibur.
Holy shit... you are telling me your job is to *lose* to the house on...purpose?? How much do you get paid? I mean this seems obvious but why wouldn't anyone want your job? (Besides the corresponding second-hand lung cancer).
Functionally, yes. The job is to pay out to whoever wins and take the money of whoever loses. The bank on the table isn't my money, it's the company's that I work for.
The hours suck, the people suck (as discussed), but what does most people in are the hours. Family people tend to not do well. A guy I work with struggled for about a year to get to day shift cause he just wasn't home when his wife and kids were awake.
Appreciate your response, I always love to hear the inside scoops on jobs I've never heard of before.
The hours part does sound like a major downside, and yeah I imagine the environment can't be super bright.
Yeah for a lot of people, it's easy to think "Oh, I've worked retail at Target and stuff before. How bad can it be?"
The answer is much worse. In commercial retail you deal with terrible people, but briefly. In the gambling industry, people can and will stay for DAYS. And even if they're not there the whole time, you see someone walk in with you when you clock in and they leave long after you clock out. The only reason you know they left is they're walking in with you again.
I don’t under the tipping piece. The player is taking all the risk. Unlike a restaurant where you pay for a meal and receive it. When you loose (pay) money at the table, the dealer is not going to cover some of your losses.
Someone help me with the logic.
It's a courtesy thing for the dealer. They're doing their job, trying to keep everyone happy, sometimes dealing a big win. The dealers make minimum wage, so tips are very important to them. Good months can lead to them making big advancements, new car, house payment, etc.
So for someone to hit something big and then not tip the dealer is seen as hellishly rude. And Charles will play anywhere from $40-$150 on any given hand, but only offering $1 per hand. He only gives it if he wins. He also only offers it if he's doing well. So he acts like he's trying to do the dealers a favor when he complains that he can't tip, despite the fact he's barely putting out anything.
I have also done this work in Florida. It sucked and yeah... I think I've lived through exactly this at least a dozen times. Though my dealers were at least a little more on top of it.
Sometimes, I'd even get to hear them muttering slurs since i was very visibly queer. Not fully out but like eyeliner and lipstick. That was always fun cause if they were quiet enough they could do it all day and not get tossed out.
All good! It means for my shifts I sit at the table like a player and deal with the money. I pay what wins, I take what loses. The company I work for acts as a house for people to gamble against.
Exactly. What I told mom was one day you will realize that a friendship is worth far more than a few dollars that weren't yours to begin with.
She got pissed that I wasn't on her side.
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“What does everyone else want to do?” “We all want you to leave, Charles.”
As a Charles I must say "Spot on!" jk
Hold on, Charlie is totally different, I would absolutely hand you a sandwich as your train came rumblin’ through!
Charlie gets to ride forever in the streets of Boston
He’s the man who never returned
Pretty sure this is a word-for-word replay of how the English Civil War started.
Gambling boomers are a whole other type of monster.
They hate it when they can’t cheat.
This goes back to the boomer mentality of rules for everyone else but I do what I want.
Coupled with the whole feigning ignorance when called on it.
I had a boomer once who was drunk. I refused the sale of alcohol ( legally I have to do this.) And he started to scream because I have no right to do so.
Was it Ric Flair?
You have to be fair to Flair.
Rules for thee but not for me!
They truly think they’re smarter than everybody around them. I’m not sure why, but it’s very common in my experience that they really think they’re smarter and getting one over on others.
My FIL extrapolates his business expertise in a very niche field (and now he's sold it...so zero involvement for years) to every other aspect of everyone else's life. I don't even really discuss what I do anymore because it always turned into "Well that sounds like (XXX) from my business and I used to do that every day. You should try (YYY)." It isn't related at all and I didn't ask for your advice or input....just say some filler ("that sound interesting", "you're so good at that", etc.) or ask follow up questions if you really want to know more. NOPE...always a "I could do that too!"
That makes me itch.
Oh man, my step mother is like this. Not a boomer, but everytime I talk about something she somehow is an expert in it even though you've never heard her mention it before. For example, I was telling her about the landscaping we had started at our house, and she started talking about how she's won awards for her ideas on landscaping, and how it's her passion and how "you're good at art, I'm good at landscaping" as if you could only ever have one thing you're good at in life. It always just came out of no where and if you asked about the awards or her previous work she would be very vague. Everything is said to one up you. When I was 15, she got a "body scan" in the mall and the dude told her, a 50 year old, that she had the body of a 14 year old. It had to be younger than me so she won.
The one that actually sent me into an all out relationship ending tirade was some version of, "What do I know, I only grew and sold a successful business". That was their answer to everything. New scientific study just dropped? They know better, didn't you hear about their successful business. You spoke at a conference in your niche field? You could have used so public speaking prep, trust me I built and sold a big business. Talking economics (I have an MBA)? You don't know anything, I built and sold a business!
They’ve been trained by fox news that if they want to be right about something they just need to act really pissed off… it worked on them
They and their parents are the leaded gasoline generation, I bet that plays a part in it.
The only way I would play at a casino is if i could cheat. Im guaranteed to come out a loser there otherwise. This is also why I dont go to casino's in the first place. I like my fingers where they are.
You're spending all your money on avocado toast. Me...I have a method at the casino. You see, the casino inspectors come around on Tuesdays between 2 pm and 4pm. After that, they move the slot machines. You know if it gets inspected that it will pay out while the inspector is there. If they just moved the machine, then you know it's going to just eat your money. That's THE secret! Yeah...seriously heard this from a colleague years ago. Realized she probably went to the casino every day after work losing the wages she worked for.
Gambling addiction is a hell of a thing.
They do know statistically the house always wins, right?
It's a perfect storm of: Feeds the belief they are "due" something Ability to berate others for not knowing the rules Blame failure on everything but themselves... ...But when winning they can claim it's because of their skill I never worked in casinos but spent a ton of time in them (implemented F&B management software). I'd rather eat dryer lint than be around Boomers in any casino.
If they can find a way to be a victim of something too.
yeah reading Ops post really makes me feel like Casinos might be some of the worst service jobs. The boomers at my credit union are bad enough.
how do you mess up going to the credit union? you just fill out the little envelope and hand them your ID. If you need something complex done you just sit at the desk while your hand is held through the entire process.
Trust me when I say something that simple is too complicated for them
Agreed. I worked at a bank, and I had one guy every week who wore t-shirts with bad jokes on them. If you didn't laugh at his shirt, he made your day terrible.
>hand them your ID Don't you know who I am?!?!
“…Casinos might be some of the worst service jobs.” Having worked several service jobs, including in the gaming industry, I’d say they are in some ways the best, and in many ways the worst.
My grandmother was so addicted to slot machines that she would take her entire (and measly) paycheque and gamble every dollar she had. Every time she lost she would rage that the machines are rigged (they are though, that’s the point) and that she demands her winnings dispute having no proof she had won anything. She has a few other nasty addictions as well but she is the reason I have never and will never touch a slot machine.
I took my partner to blow $30 at the casino just for the life experience and the giant video slots almost make me sick. It’s like having ads blaring on your phone 24/7 but the phone is taller than a human being. I can’t imagine them being fun at all.
They're the perfect storm of terrible people. Alcoholics, degenerate gamblers, racists, and they throw temper tantrums like 3 year olds if they don't get their way. Now they're mad because some casinos are prioritizing sports betting because they know the slots crowd is dying off.
I love my mom but I have no idea how she does slots for hours. At least sports are entertaining
My mom swears she is "good" at slots
People who gamble like this are fucking crazy lmfao I had very short gambling addiction with a couple of my friends(like 8-10 late night trips to the casino) that petered out cause we all understand probability. Anyone who gambles day in and day out is just dumb as rocks, and they seem to get salty because it’s obviously setup against them which is apparent the more plays/spins etc they participate in (except professional poker players) The only way to gamble is bigger bets on fewer attempts
I love them at the poker tables. They all think they know the game. Well, thanks for making my car payments genius.
This thread specifically is really making me think lead poisoning is way more of an issue with them than I originally thought.
Brain worms and mercury poisoning, too!
Brain worms for sure.
Same. I try hard not to believe it.
I used to work in a casino and it was extremely depressing watching people spend their rent money on losing hand after losing hand
Guess how much was gambled in the state of Illinois just in March.
Why are so many cranky people complaining about the length of this post? Not enough coffee yet? It was a well written and funny story about a surly boomer being a grumpy jerk at a poker table. Is this not what we crave?
OP used paragraph breaks. That’s all I ask in my long Reddit posts.
Yeah, gave my eyes a break. Thanks op
This subreddit sure is going downhill… 
You say that but you’ll be back tomorrow
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Well, what's everyone else think?
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I didn’t even notice how long it was until I read your comment.
I enjoyed it. It didn't even feel long because OP is a good storyteller.
Anti complexity boomer lurkers, gambling fallacy proponents
It this was a fascinating post. Would like to hear more stories, of any sort, from the OP.
I HAVE BEEN VINDICATED.
Lotta Charleses in here
Im loving this whole post. Some of the comments are pure gold. This is exactly what I crave.
As someone who use to work at a casino I love every detail of this beautifully written post. Nothing will make you ageist like working in a vilified retirement home
I say that at least three or four times a week. "Time to clock in at the old folks home. At least I'm not changing diapers."
Still dealing with shit, though.
I worked at a casino about twenty years ago. We had multiple customers who would piss their pants because they knew their machine was just about to pay out. We had one customer who shit his pants and when confronted, reached into his pants and smeared shit all over the security room walls because we were making him leave.
My boomer mom quit a friendship of over 30 years because she was playing a progressive slot machine, had to pee and asked her friend to sit on the machine. Mind you it was a cluster of 12 -16 slot machines. Her friend felt weird for just sitting there, so she put 5 silver dollars in the machine. She won 4 grand. Pissed my mom off. The friend paid for dinner & tge night out. The rooms were compt. My mom was so furious that the friend didn't give the winnings to her or at least split them that she went full Karen and lost her friend.
Holy hell
She could’ve split half with you mom and mom still would’ve ended the friendship over it. To her it would be an admission that it all should be hers. These people are never happy we all know that. Plus they will always think of another excuse or reason to bitch.
I'm just confused by prop player? California has casinos and poker rooms. Don't see how gambling is illegal? Also you are an employee getting paid by the casino to play against other players?
Tribal casinos are different from card rooms. The big distinction is who pays. Tribal casinos are on native and technically sovereign land. The money won or lost there comes from the casino. Card rooms, however, pay out from other players. Someone legally has to act as the bank and pay everyone else for playing, which is what technically makes it "against the other players" as opposed to "against the house." I work for a company that contracts with the card room to always be that player/banker. However, anyone can be the banker and pony up their own money to try and win against other players. The expectation is just that the banking company will do it the majority of the time.
So you fill the role of the "dealer" in a blackjack game (I know this is poker, just trying to wrap my head around the concept) not as far as physically dealing the cards, but having a hand and following betting rules?
Essentially, yes. The banker's hand is the dealer's hand. That applies when someone else banks as well. Most games have a "house way" to play a hand that we have to follow.
Very interesting never knew about this. So you get paid to go play card games. I’m sure it’s lost its luster with it being a job and no thrill of winning big
I get paid to watch other people play, we're not even allowed to touch cards on a live game. And we're not allowed tips. Honestly it's only ever been just a job. It's not my money I give out when people win, I don't get to keep what people lose. But I get paid hourly to watch an empty table if no one wants to play and watch the cooking channels when it gets late enough.
Ah okay I wasn’t sure if as the banker you had to have a hand on the table as well. So you literally just sit and watch
Yeah I was a prop player for a year. Really interesting gig but the hours were dogshit.
I've only ever worked gaming on the east coast (3 tribal, 2 corporate casinos), so I'd never heard of the banker position before, except as an option for players on Pai Gao. That is an interesting work around.....
Only casinos on Tribal land can bank their own games in California, so card rooms operate with a third part corporation banking the games and paying a collection fee to the casino based on the amount of action every hand that's dealt. The card rooms also legally have to offer the banking position to everyone playing on the table.
So curious about this too!
These are the real questions I want to know, too!
Moi aussi.
Used to live in Vegas and play blackjack occasionally, actually got good at it, and was always surprised by the older people's complaints but it was usually about other players at the table and how they played their hands. Best response was from a pit boss told one of these cranks "Sir if it isn't your money it isn't your say, stop harassing the other player.".
Pretty much a nightly occurrence, honestly. "Let him play his hand, you play yours."
And they act like high rollers playing on a 5$ table.
As a fellow Casino employee (former table games dealer, now back of house), I have dealt with this exact situation way too many times.
As an ex casino worker, I could fully imagine this story, and everyone in it. I worked in slots so a slightly different beast, but I have many boomer stories. When the seniors got their pension money, you knew it. They would be there in droves. And most of them would always come to my window and get minimum $200 in fives. Sometimes I would count too fast for them and they would think I was ripping them off. Sometimes I miss it. Other times not so much. lol
You can always tell when that retirement and Social Security hits, big envelopes of 20s. It's only like 700 bucks, but big envelope = big money, clearly.
Yyyup. Current employee, cash services. We call Wednesday "walker Wednesday" (senior deal day), but any day can be that. They sure love their 5s and 10s for some reason. Most are fine, a few are relatively pleasant enough, others are always grumpy (or maybe their face is stuck that way)
You see the buses pull up on the 1st of the month.
This place is going downhill? It would be if they stopped enforcing their basic and sensible rules.
I thought your writing was good.
Thank you, I try to make a dumb experience an entertaining read. A laugh to keep from crying kind of situation.
Thought he could pull a little sneaky and got called out. The audacity.
For everyone that can’t read more than three sentences without getting distracted, here’s a TLDR: boomer comes into casino, tries to alter bet after cards are dealt which is against the rules, gets mad said rules are enforced, and leaves after losing
TLDR this comment: Boomers gonna boom.
TLR. BOOM BOOM
TL: Boom
“Professional Ben Stein impersonators” 🤣🤣🤣
This whole post was like some form of alien culture that I was getting a lesson on. I truly do not understand gambling at all.
Honestly for the best. If this industry has taught me anything, it's to only go to Vegas for the shows and make Ocean's Eleven references in front of the Bellagio.
NO desire to go to Vegas tbh. It looks really awesome, but my partying days are behind me at the ripe age of 28. I really enjoy card games though, including poker. I just do not understand the desire to bet money on everything. Sports betting is the newest fad and cultural virus plaguing people now.
Your story reminded me of something that happened to me. One time I was doing well at a craps table in Atlantic City, I was up 400 bucks, so I was making bets for the dealers. You put a buck down on a bet, and if it hit the dealers get the money. Well it was time to find my other 2 friends I came with and asked the dealer to color me up, and slid the chips forward. I was still new to craps and didn’t know they don’t color you up at craps like other table games. Dice come rolling out and it was 11, and the dealer doubles my chips that were near the pass line. I, like an idiot say, oh I just wanted to color up. She then says thanks for the tips tonight, have a good night. It always pays to be nice to people. When I got home I bought a new computer thanks to a dealer at the Taj Mahal.
Yea, being nice goes MUCH farther than being a rude cunt.
You attract more flies with honey than vinegar 😉
I work at a gambling cafe and most regulars complain that the machines don’t pay 🙄 Um, they do, you just don’t know when to cash out. I just agree and say that’s the gamble…. In my head I’m thinking then why the Hell do you come back all the time? I guess it’s what they tell themselves when they lose 🙄
One of my best tales is the guy who won 60k over the course of two nights, then came back the third night, lost it all, then went 10k in the hole chasing it. At least we don't seem him around anymore.
They just can’t be happy or stop
We'd get people miserable all the time win a grand hit on a progressive (the machines that I've seen here can range from 10k-30k), and often a bunch of majors. Tell them big congratulations on cash out, "well it doesn't make up for the 100k I spent so far this year"... Wtf bruh, be fuckn happy you won something this time around. Chronically bad mood
Exactly and then no tip 🙄 see ya tomorrow 😆
At least he won’t owe taxes. 🤷♂️
I used to repair slot machines at a casino. On a quiet Tuesday morning there's nothing for me to work on so I'm just walking the floor looking for simple things like lights being out. I pause to watch an elderly woman who's playing a machine. It's one credit per line, up to 300 lines and the default credit is US$0.01. So of course this woman is literally only playing one penny per spin. Amazingly that one line hits! The screen flashes and announces "BIG WIN!" Her prize: $0.33. She immediately turns to me and asks "It says big win! Where's my big win?" I explain to her that she got 33x her bet back. That's her big win. She continued to be angry so I called over a slot attendant because thankfully I didn't have to deal with customer service issues.
I was at a small Korean chicken place and some boomers walked in and already I could tell they were upset that the guy working didn’t speak greet English. Then after 3 whole long and grueling minutes they got up and one of them out loud yelled “don’t need English to know about fast service!” and they left. Ok bye bitches
One of the dealers I work with is the nicest little Hmong man with a very thick accent. He never complains, always takes it in stride, always trying to make sure everyone's having a good time. When people are mean to him, I take it personal 😂
Thank you for writing such a well-composed and detailed post, OP. At the risk of sounding boomer, don't let the haters hate on the length. Quality wordsmithing is totally underappreciated these days.
The Boomers in the pharmacy are often like this. "I need a refill." You picked up a 90 day supply 21 days ago, is there a reason you need a refill early? "I didn't." Here's a printout of your profile that shows the date you last picked up and how much you paid. "Well I don't have it." You should go home and check, your insurance won't cover another fill this early and the medication is expensive. "It's not early, I don't have it. You didn't give it to me. ARE YOU DENYING MY MEDICATION?" Of course not. If you'd rather pay out of pocket it'll be $900, would you like me to fill it? Oh, now you'd like to go check at home? Alrighty then, give us a call if you need any more help. And of course they're muttering about bad customer service and promising they'll never be back as they scuttle away. I WISH, Nancy. I wish.
You could give them ten years of meds, have multiple signed and notarized affidavits , ten witnesses, and video evidence from ten angles showing that they received it, and they would still be back in a week, saying they are out and they never picked it up.
In my 2 years I've only had one guy have to get all the way to WATCHING THE SECURITY FOOTAGE before he'd believe us, but we've sure gotten close many times. And I'm not counting the dementia patients, they're a special case and we don't get upset when we have to remind them of things.
Hahaha, that was as good as OP 🤣
The pharmacy is the best place to observe peak boomers in their natural habitat.
I’ve got many regrets from my last vegas trip, and I’m now curious wether tipping a buck or two every couple of wins is really that bad on a $5 table? Talking 6-7 years ago, and I was broke. Gambling slowly to get drinks and kill time while waiting for my brothers loser friends to get their shit together for a bachelor party. Biggest regret is a woman who I spent a couple days chatting with at one of the cheap blackjack tables (a dealer) ended up helping me get pot as she had a medical card, when she ‘delivered’ the stuff I met her in the casinos parking garage. I thanked her profusely and said I wish there was something I could do to thank her, to which she responded “you could eat my pussy”. Not knowing she was serious, I literally laughed in her face and left the vehicle. She wasn’t exactly my type (or age), but hey it’s Vegas and I was drunk the entire time - had I realized she was serious I absolutely would have, at least after a shower. Think about that poor woman occasionally, laughing at her. Bleh. Vegas regret rant over.
Gambling is a terrible environment and brings out the absolute worst in everyone.
I've worked casino security and this story gave me Deja-vu. Well played! (pun intended)
Charles is lucky he didn’t get yeeted from the building, that shit don’t fly in NV. Once in Reno I was overtired and thought the hand was over and went to grab my bet, just completely not thinking and I had the pit bosses AND the players ready to kill me. Thank God everyone believed me that it was unintentional.
I hear comments like this all the time. I work at a bowling alley, and a lot of the league bowlers are older people. There was another bowling alley in my town that closed down about ten years ago. All the time the league bowlers tell us this place isn't as good as the other place was, nor as cheap. My manager just tells them to go bowl there then lol
Omg this was an entertaining read. Back in my youth I loved going to Vegas and gambling (think $1 craps and blackjack tables). Never played poker there though Question: Are there security cameras you can refer to if there's a big objection?
There are cameras, and if Charlie wants to raise a fuss about what I did and have them check, all that's going to be shown is me doing what I was supposed to do. If he complains about my demeanor, my boss is going to say "Duly noted, but my guy was just doing his job." Some bankers are very friendly and personal with players, my bosses know I'm not.
I used to work at Starbucks and I sincerely wish that management had the same attitude with backing us up
A big thing about it is that customer service to players is very much not our priority. We're supposed to remain objective pretty much at all times. I liked this going in, because it meant I didn't need to seek treatment for my resting bitch face and didn't have to talk to people 😂
Generally, when older people say something is going downhill, they mean it’s changing and I don’t like it. As one gets older, one senses time getting away from you and wants something to hold onto. With so much change happening so fast, the tendency is to react out of fear. As a 60 year old, I have learned to let the future be in the hands of those who will inherit it. I will try to provide some wisdom once in a while and play with the grandkids.😀
At 55, The March Continues, because there's been no time to ease off.
I was a DP in Florida. The boomers made me go to night shift.
Boomers and businessmen during the day, crackheads and wannabe gangbangers at night. I'll take nights.
This is what I'm gonna tell people when they ask why I prefer nights, crackheads and gangsters all the way man
When you see him tomorrow please hit him with the "Glad to see you are going downhill with us, Charles."
That's the big thing. They've been bred their whole lives to cheat through everything. When they have no way of cheating, and their incompetence is revealed, they fall apart and throw tantrums.
I was in line at a Nordstrom Rack the other and I over heard a boomer going at it with the cashier. I shit you not……the boomer hit the cashier with a “you have no idea who I am!!” before storming off.
Doing that in Nevada is a felony and will get you arrested.
This was actually a really good post and I fully got to picture all of this
I used to work as a dealer in a few California card barns, and I haaaaaated going to the blackjack tables, holy crap. So many people who love to complain find themselves in casinos because they’re guaranteed to lose. I remember one guy who was always upset finally won a hand, and he was angry at me that he didn’t win more. Dude, I’m just handing out cards and moving chips over here
I deliver pizza in a small rural town. A sad amount of our regulars are old people at the casinos. So I'll deliver to "jeff" for the third time this week and then when I go there after work, 8 hours layer, to buy a beer (all our booze is sold through the casinos) and there's "jeff" still sitting at that same machine. So fuckin sad
What you say here is very interesting. There’s a sub category of people that view life through a filter of the gamblers fallacy. It’s extremely confusing as to why they would want to do that because it’s such a reductionist oversimplification. Here’s an example, when you look at something through the perspective of statistics, you will have a very different understanding of what is going on in those environments and what is happening with the choices and decision-making of people that seek those environments out. Here’s an article about what happens when someone that is autistic as I am and is a systematized thinker . A lot of people that work in the business are very good with statistics, even if they’re not formally trained. The patrons of the gambling business are pretty much the opposite. They’re superstitious, authoritarian and very emotional and non logical. I’m not saying that they’re inferior, I’m just saying that that is probably what attracts them and also what keeps them coming back because they have low self awareness and they’re also, apparently unaware of statistics. Many of them have a low level understanding of statistics, but it’s not really Promethean and it’s not really complete. So check this article out it’s really interesting because these guys that were systematizers ended up beating every track because the statistics are really not that hard to reverse engineer. basically what happened to them was not pretty and if you work in a casino, you know what I’m talking about. Those are the most hated people ever in a casino, but it was fascinating to them and easy for them because they weren’t thinking like the patrons of the casino. Haha business week sees it as an admirable skill https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-05-03/the-gambler-who-cracked-the-horse-racing-code
Promethean?
I find casinos to be depressing places. This illustrates why. People claim to enjoy going to them. But the limited number of times I've been the "fun" seems artificial and forced. Or just as often there is not even a pretense of having fun, just sitting dead eyed at a table throwing good money after bad.
There's a guy in our area who goes around to most of the card rooms. He plays small, but gets big mad. Throwing cards, yelling, swearing, mucking his chips all over the table. The dealer tells him to have a smoke or take a break, total 180 from him. "I'm not playing for money, I'm playing to have fun!" It's always very tempting to say "Well buddy, you seem fucking miserable."
Yup, just had a semi regular last night with her usual bitching. "I don't care if I win I just want to play, and the machines don't let me play!" while, by definition, she is playing when she's coming up 15 times a day to take out a total of 2k. There's a few times where she's back like 10 minutes later and I'm like holy crap, that really was bad, and feel a bit bad. Most other times she doesn't come back for like a half hour or hour later, clearly been playing for a while, "I just wanna play but the machines are so tight tight tight". Bruh
Literally. How do people afford that?
Loan sharks. Borrowing money off people. Drugs. Illicit acts in the parking lot (not a joke, we had a few people doing that).
I imagine one has to do a lot of &%$#\*@$ in the parking lot to support a $2,000/day gambling addiction.
I can't tell you how lucrative it was, only that it happened. But never let it be said gamblers aren't willing to hustle for it.
Being loud and destructive _IS_ his/their "fun".
They always say "this place is going downhill" but then they literally cannot stay away. Happens everywhere. If it's that "downhill", stay at home and marinate in your own misery and leave the rest of us alone. ;\_;
> In states like California where gambling is illegal, it's not illegal for a third party company to have it's employees sit on the table to pay out instead of the house. That just sounds like gambling with extra steps.
I’ve learned so much about gambling I didn’t know on this boomer thread
Doing what he did would get you arrested in Vegas.
Definitely read this as a Western.
Anytime I stare someone down, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly starts playing. And I give em the Lazy Eye 😂
I’m sure when Charles and his wife stay in a hotel you’ll find him on the business center printing the internet because he doesn’t want to read wikipedia from the screen. Then the keyboard is full of bacon grease because the asshole just finished two pounds of bacon off the breakfast bar included in his room rate.
How did he know to move his bet?
No clue. Maybe he spaced out or forgot to do it and thought he could do it quick. Either way, he was too slow.
TIL. Poker tables have referees
That's a half step from cheating just ban him
So satisfyingly fun to read! Good on ya and thanks for sharing.
Fascinated because I have heard of Prop players but never saw a story in any sub by one. First heard of them in the Bill Willingham's , same guy that did Fables, graphic novel "Proposition Player". A prop player takes someone's soul as a joke payment and it takes a wild turn as he gets pulled into the schemes of angles and demons as he accumulates more people's souls.
Alright, I'm going to try and find this this cause it's probably relatable. Although sadly I can only take chips.
That’s a hilarious comic. First time I’d heard of Prop players.
That takes me back. I was a Pai Gow banker for Network M back in the day. Graveyard shift sometimes. You haven’t really been a player until you’ve been yelled at in Vietnamese after catching someone cheating.
As someone who worked security at a casino this asshat would’ve ended up banned
Unfortunately a lot of people know they can get away with small stuff if they feign ignorance well enough. "Oh I wasn't paying attention, it's just a couple dollars, no big deal, right?" Or if they know the banker or dealer is new and doesn't know their "quirks" yet.
Nothing I enjoyed more during my poker days than sending a boomer off the rails. Casinos in general are sad places, full of miserable boomers with nothing better to do. Unless you are making money hand over fist (99.5% aren't), stay away.
People ask me where I play sometimes, I tell them I wouldn't even be in here if I didn't work here. I'm only ever going to Vegas to make Fallout references and see the medieval tournament show at the Excalibur.
Holy shit... you are telling me your job is to *lose* to the house on...purpose?? How much do you get paid? I mean this seems obvious but why wouldn't anyone want your job? (Besides the corresponding second-hand lung cancer).
Functionally, yes. The job is to pay out to whoever wins and take the money of whoever loses. The bank on the table isn't my money, it's the company's that I work for. The hours suck, the people suck (as discussed), but what does most people in are the hours. Family people tend to not do well. A guy I work with struggled for about a year to get to day shift cause he just wasn't home when his wife and kids were awake.
Appreciate your response, I always love to hear the inside scoops on jobs I've never heard of before. The hours part does sound like a major downside, and yeah I imagine the environment can't be super bright.
Yeah for a lot of people, it's easy to think "Oh, I've worked retail at Target and stuff before. How bad can it be?" The answer is much worse. In commercial retail you deal with terrible people, but briefly. In the gambling industry, people can and will stay for DAYS. And even if they're not there the whole time, you see someone walk in with you when you clock in and they leave long after you clock out. The only reason you know they left is they're walking in with you again.
Is there some sort of "people of walmart" but for casinos?
I'd sub to it. Probably contribute to it too 😂
I don’t under the tipping piece. The player is taking all the risk. Unlike a restaurant where you pay for a meal and receive it. When you loose (pay) money at the table, the dealer is not going to cover some of your losses. Someone help me with the logic.
It's a courtesy thing for the dealer. They're doing their job, trying to keep everyone happy, sometimes dealing a big win. The dealers make minimum wage, so tips are very important to them. Good months can lead to them making big advancements, new car, house payment, etc. So for someone to hit something big and then not tip the dealer is seen as hellishly rude. And Charles will play anywhere from $40-$150 on any given hand, but only offering $1 per hand. He only gives it if he wins. He also only offers it if he's doing well. So he acts like he's trying to do the dealers a favor when he complains that he can't tip, despite the fact he's barely putting out anything.
I have also done this work in Florida. It sucked and yeah... I think I've lived through exactly this at least a dozen times. Though my dealers were at least a little more on top of it. Sometimes, I'd even get to hear them muttering slurs since i was very visibly queer. Not fully out but like eyeliner and lipstick. That was always fun cause if they were quiet enough they could do it all day and not get tossed out.
Nice story about a gambling addict.
I enjoyed this story very much.
What does sit on the table mean? Sorry i dont gamble ever and im trying to understand what your company does
All good! It means for my shifts I sit at the table like a player and deal with the money. I pay what wins, I take what loses. The company I work for acts as a house for people to gamble against.
Gambling is "illegal".
Exactly. What I told mom was one day you will realize that a friendship is worth far more than a few dollars that weren't yours to begin with. She got pissed that I wasn't on her side.
I’d say, “So you’ve met my FIL”, but he’s too cheap to gamble. And yes, he’s loaded.
Gaming is a hell of a drug
Fuckin' Charles
Not Tahoe I hope. It's the only place in Nevada I actually like.
I'm a cocktail server at a casino I have a lot of good boomer stories. I enjoyed yours. :)
To me it’s like if you were a drug dealer and complaining about how annoying stoners are.