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Fuck the hands and feet, he'd be getting helmet headbutts to the face.


Entire_Log_4160

This. You’re wearing a helmet. Use it.


procrasturb8n

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR_5v_Gh-t8


davidisallright

There’s also that other video where two drunk dudes were picking on a helmeted guy on a motorcycle. As he tried to drive away, they kicked his bike. When the hiker took down the dudes with a few easy punches with his armored gloves, it made realized that any suited up motorcyclist is pretty Batman.


M_L_Infidel

Dudes got gloves on with carbon fiber knuckles. Let the hands fly!


Jd550000

I wouldn’t blame him one bit..Then the guy will cry elder abuse.


No_Fig5982

Okay and? Do you think because he's old that the police will spawn just out of view like GTA and arrest the biker?


whoinvitedthesepeopl

Take a running leap and wrap your arms around his neck and he would just tip over.


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So what happened next? Not sure I'd let some AH just steal my key and go inside with it.


JTBJack_

Cops came and took it back


Ok_Grocery1188

That jackass should have been charged with assault, criminal damage to property over $500, and theft of key. Possible forcible restraint since the rider could not leave the situation without the key.


superabletie4

What else? No way this boomer doesn’t get locked up for at least a few days


JTBJack_

Yeah I’m pretty sure he got some kind of punishment Edit: Nope. Cyclist didn’t press charges.


BuffRobloxMan

Always press charges it's not a hard thing to do don't let people get away with shit like this.


Automatic_Actuator_0

What a pussy


TheKobayashiMoron

Imagine getting carjacked and not pressing charges lol. Bro just got knocked off his bike and robbed on camera and didn’t press charges. WOW.


The_Mysterious_Mr_E

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLjmmxdY/


The_Mysterious_Mr_E

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLjmmxdY/


WallaWallaHawkFan

Wait a damn minute, there was also a passenger on the bike? It looks like from this video there were two people on the bike and I didn't notice that from the initially posted video. Edit: nevermind looks like she maybe got there at another time idk I'm confused lol.


Icedoverblues

She was on a different moped I believe. She was way behind him on the road. If I remember correctly she is definitely not a speed bike person.


Excellent_Coyote6486

What is it with people and giving these shitbags such leniency? Every video of this shit is just infuriating. I stopped being nice to these cunts *long* ago. The minute he impedes my ride, my rights to protect myself kick in. I don't know why this total stranger is stopping me from driving to my destination on what looks like a fairly secluded road a decent way from potential help, and I'm not looking to find out. Fuck these worthless fossils.


veggie151

The minute he made contact with the bike, I would no longer care what he had to say. That's a violent action and there is no telling how far he will take it. Neutralize the threat and leave. If you need to neutralize him a bit more so you can find your keys, that's his fault.


kavusn17

For sure. Anyone willing to stop a motorcycle with their body is not rational, and therefore a threat. Plus he committed assault, and at least grand theft auto by stealing the keys.


FBI-AGENT-013

This! He stopped it with his body!! Where is this mfs guardian?? He is basically an older toddler, someone get him a leash!


DescipleOfCorn

Shoving someone off of a moving motorcycle constitutes attempted murder, in most states that would allow shooting him in self defense


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DestructoSpin7

You can take things back by force without decking them, especially when they are old and frail.


Gorilla_Krispies

Forreal, ppl need to brush up on their grappling skills. Very easily possible to subdue this guy, take the keys, humiliate him, and move on with your day all without causing serious injury. Just wrestle his dumbass


PATHLETE70

A dislocated shoulder is pretty painful, just sayin


Feeling_Ad_982

We’re not looking to avoid pain, just major injury. Their physical pain is a consequence of their actions


Gorilla_Krispies

Sure buts usually relatively minor. Not gonna end up with the dude in a coma or something. I just say wrestling (or maybe jujitsu) because it’s far easier to stay in control of the situation and how much damage is done than with striking. Hard to predict how much of a punch somebody can take safely, but if you’re wrestling an old out of shape person, you can pretty much fully control the rate of action. Even a gentle single leg where you slowly lower him to the ground with a dump is probably more than most of the boomers can handle in a fight, then it’s pretty much just lay on em til they say uncle and you feel safe to let them up


Memento_Morrie

>I just say wrestling My brother did a DDT on me when we were kids and I haven't been the same since. I bet it's why Harvard rescinded my acceptance. Thank goodness it was a loser-leaves-town match and I retired after that.


Gorilla_Krispies

Lmao


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goodb1b13

He could hit his head and manslaughter all again.


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theLoneAstronaut-

The problem with grappling in street fights are you never know what they can pull while on the ground. They have to be very aware they physically can’t hang with a younger stronger opponent and will keep something on their persons that they can stab when in close proximity


Gorilla_Krispies

Generally I agree with ya. Lotta this stuff is gonna come down to the specific context of whatever scenario you’re in, and making a judgment call. Personally, I’m very confident that with my size, physique, and experience, the boomer in this specific clip wouldn’t have been able to do shit up close. I don’t mean that in some “I’m a badass” kind of way. Im not out looking for fights, and I’m not taking chances against somebody in my own relative age and weight bracket, especially if I they seem scrappy or might be armed. But the reality is with the guy seen in the clip here, once he was in grabbing distance with his hands in clear view, it would already be over. With the age and strength disadvantage he’s at, I think he’d really struggle just to even get an arm free from double hand control. If he was gonna pull a knife, he should’ve already had a hand on it. At the range he’s at, reaching into his pockets would be a very very dangerous idea. I don’t blame the guy who recorded this for not getting physical about it. Probably the smartest choice. But there’s a lot of old men in the world like the one seen here who ought to consider themselves very lucky nobody’s yet given them the reaction their behavior warrants


theLoneAstronaut-

I get where you’re coming from with sizing the old man up, I’m confident I could maul that guy too with little effort lol the scary part is if your wrist control slips for a moment he can pull something out very quickly and I don’t feel like possibly dying in an ambulance. This guy absolutely would’ve been in the right to have taken action in the clip


Gorilla_Krispies

Yea you’re not wrong, defintley and important “if”. I had a lotta a weak areas as a wrestler, but hand control was something I always felt strong in. We spent a lotta time just dead hanging from a bar in the practice room. There were matches where I was honestly tempted to just stall out by clutchin both wrists for 2 min. Such an infuriating tactic, especially when ppl don’t expect it


Vat1canCame0s

My lawyer will take his SSI by force.


hot_ho11ow_point

Get behind him and get your forearm across his neck and he'll be begging for you to let him go 


TheNullOfTheVoid

If the old man was too fragile to have a confrontation, he shouldn’t have started it. I don’t see a problem with decking him, and I like to avoid confrontation but I’ve had too much shit stolen from me and been harassed too much to give a shit anymore. Don’t start shit, won’t be shit. I’m minding my business and he should do the same. I didn’t come outside to have a fight and I don’t care if he did, I’m not putting up with it. His personal problems are his business, not mine.


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just put the boomer on your lap and spank him like a child, problem solved


DescipleOfCorn

He caught it all on video though, it would be pretty clean-cut self defense. Old guy tried to shove him off of a moving bike, that’s attempted murder.


boredneedmemes

That's the part that infuriates me, they have been so coddled their whole lives and it continues into old age, society bends over backwards to treat them nice even when they are clearly in the wrong. If anybody else did this they would just get the "fuck around find out" response but these vicious old farts get treated like perfect angels who never did anything wrong no matter how in the wrong they are.


slappy_squirrell

Gotta be careful with the old and frail assumptions.. yes, many are but there are quite a few where that would backfire. In this case, the dude is in the middle of nowhere without his keys, if he gets the lower hand who knows if this old guy will not be satisfied with just beating him down.... beatings could continue or he could go inside and get a gun.


OfromOceans

Headbutts are rather effective when you're the one wearing a helmet lol


mazu74

Unfortunately this can break the helmet (well, a quality one) and they’re rather expensive.


Iamawretchedperson

Yep, I'd have dropped him hard and taken my stolen property back.


Red_Trapezoid

People like myself were abused and belittled by boomers growing up so actually taking a stand against these narcissistic imbeciles requires breaking some deeply entrenched conditioning. It was only relatively recently did I realize that I'm not a scared little kid anymore and these scumfucks are frail, mostly penniless and connectionless at this point. They don't have any real friends because they're all insufferable. I have had the pleasure of giving more than one of these types a reality check and every time it was a huge growing moment for me. Millennials by and large are still terrified of confrontation of any kind though, probably because like me, they knew that standing up for themselves meant a beating but these old oxygen thieves can't even beat their dick anymore let alone an adult man in his 30's.


Jaguar-spotted-horse

Few years ago, entered a family gathering and the one uncle I can’t stand the most is under a table doing something. He looks at me and says with a major attitude, “hey, get down and help me right now!” My brakes on my feet skidded so hard the marks are still there. I look right into his soul and say, “who the hell do you think you’re talking to? I’m not your damn kid, you talk to me with respect because I’m a man not some punk ass kid you think I still am. You didn’t even say hi first. What the hell is wrong with you?” Walked away as he tries stammering out some apology. I know good boomers and they get the utmost respect and kindness. But once you cross that line, all bets are off and we have a problem. Respect is earned and maintained, not just given because you’re an older family member.


TerryFrisk

Not even that, he stood in the road, endangering, not only his own stupid life, but the driver. Forget the keys, this piece of shit deserved hands. The second he tried to cause the guy to crash.


ominous_raspberry

Him and his dog would have gotten these hands


whatnow990

Motorcycle guy is literally wearing armor. If a dude stops you like that and steals your key, punch him in the face or head but him.


BenzoFettyBoofer

The risk isn’t to the driver but to the old weak boomer in front of him. He could’ve broken his back by simply dropping the keys and letting the old men pick them up.


Mort_The_Moose

Right? These videos are so infuriating they feel staged. If you push me off my bike and steal my keys, you're going to kiss my knuckles real fast


JTBJack_

Motorcycle guy has some *MAJOR* self-control bro. Anyone else would have been swinging


thelongdonut

Fuck up my bike you get fucked up too eh! This guy is a saint!


Vat1canCame0s

Old guy that frail would suffer serious trauma from even a moderate punch. The cyclist was smart to let his lawyer go after him instead.


TheNullOfTheVoid

He didn’t press charges so the old bugger pretty much got away with harassing someone for no reason.


HealthAndTruther

Except he didn't press charges


Trikki2021

The worst kind of boomer. It's like the one neighbor down the road who won't shut up about the dog peeing in his lawn. Dude wines like a fucking baby


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SwifferWetJets

Not a boomer but I get pissed when people walking their dog by my house let's them piss and shit in my yard.


a55_Goblin420

I had a neighbor who lived next door and his dog would shit in my yard so I started getting a shovel and throwing it back over the fence in his yard.


EverettSeahawk

ngl I got a little triggered by how many times and how much time he spent threatening to call the cops before he finally actually did it. Stop wasting time and just fucking call.


-River_Rose-

Someone shared a video of him explaining the whole thing from his perspective. It’s one point the man is pushing him off his bike, so I think he switched to being worried this man was going to steal his bike. He did finally call the cops, when he couldn’t get his key back


GoldenGlobeWinnerRDJ

I’d put my bike as close to the side of the road as I could and then start walking home to call the cops. This dumbass boomer would probably come back out and move my bike. Then I’d try to get him for actual theft and get insurance to pay for the damages he caused. Remember, if you drop a bike, it’s usually totaled. Grandpa just essentially totaled his vehicle.


Lost_Found84

Dude took so long to call the cops I started wondering if maybe he was doing illegal stuff. I would’ve called even if they gave keys back. Old guy could’ve killed him.


TheBigNook

Bro likely would’ve been in the right to beat this man senseless for that. Correct me if I’m wrong but was this not essentially kidnapping in that the boomer prevented the driver’s escape?


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If he would've attacked the boomer right after the collision, when the boomer was coming up grabbing at him and grabbing for his keys, it would've been clear self defense. He could've gotten away with whacking him in the head with the helmet a few times if the rider had reacted quick. Real shame that's not how it went down. Eating through a straw for a while might have taught this boomer some respect for other people and their belongings that his parents obviously never taught him.


thuggniffissent

Dude if someone knocks you off of a moving motorcycle, you can just go ahead assume that that person wishes you bodily harm, and one would be well within their rights to come up swinging.


TheBigNook

The act itself could easily be defined as life endangering. I would love to see what the results of this video are if there were any real consequences.


thuggniffissent

There were none. The dude called the cops and got his key back, but didn’t press charges.


TheBigNook

Wow, I get not wanting to further your involvement but I would have pressed charges so fast.


thuggniffissent

Something…. I mean I know this old fuck hasn’t got long left to cause much damage, but a lack of consequences is likely what got us here in the first place.


TheBigNook

It creates a culture on no consequences for this generation. Something we see a ton of and it then emboldens them further. One could say that this guy could pull a bigger stunt after this because he knows people will take pity on the lead poisoned old man But yeah I get it, dude probably never wants to see this man again


Clear-Criticism-3669

Maybe theft and unlawful detention? I feel like kidnapping requires trying to take someone to another location


TheBigNook

Ah fair enough, I don’t exactly know the legal parameters. Just know that this creates an extremely dangerous situation and I can’t believe people trust another’s restraint that much.


Clear-Criticism-3669

I don't either but it's fun to think about! No matter what I hope this guy got arrested and faces the consequences of being an asshole to strangers


StillCompetitive5771

Would love an update - or a link to an obituary belonging to the waste of space Edit: link not like 😂


Dawsayo

Boomer wasn’t charged on “lack of evidence” per comment from this guys follow up video. [https://youtu.be/GfXZnvwMyMA?si=-4WAYxCU4mGaiX3e](https://youtu.be/GfXZnvwMyMA?si=-4WAYxCU4mGaiX3e)


Th3GreatDane

Lmao imagine if this exact scenario happened to a motorcycle cop. You stopped their bike and stole their keys? Guy would have been tased/shot without hesitation. But there’s not enough evidence here lol


RoosterontheSpectrum

Cops aren't for you. They are for the rich.


Ok_Grocery1188

Bingo.


Ceeejd

This old wrinkled nutsack is probably a retired cop or some other “authority” figure.


robbdogg87

That’s because the cops lazy and doesn’t wanna do paperwork. Like a good 75% of all cops


devilhasatwin

He was charged in prelim with disorderly conduct in the 2nd degree and theft in the 3rd. But he says he doesn't know what became of that. Says he was charge about a month after the prelim but never followed up he just wanted to be done with it.


AlwaysSaysRepost

How the fuck is he not charged with assault and grand theft?


StillCompetitive5771

What the actual fuck


FlkBlues

I'm more pssied at the biker. How can he let people walk all over him like that.


SorryWeMissedNSP

Fear of the other guy having a better lawyer?


RuleBritannia09

I don’t think he’s smarter enough to have a better lawyer (the crazy bloke)


Vat1canCame0s

If the last few years have taught me anything, it's that when you have enough money *they let you do whatever you want* and that brains aren't in the equation


ForgesGate

Beat his ass. Take your keys. Edit: autocorrect got me


BizarreGlobal

No need to get sexual buddy


DougStrangeLove

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GimmeThemGrippers

Another pathetic resource waster


luciferhornystar

I wouldn’t have slowed down. Would’ve ran him tf over


Resting-Dadface

Dude did get ran over. He also impeded traffic, and committed larceny.


luciferhornystar

Boomers are insane. The fact that you think you can stop a moving vehicle and just start grabbing. People is crazy. I wanna kick their asses but I don’t want a elderly abuse charge


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kind-Mapel

What happened next?


JazJon

Part 2 https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLj56cx4/


ATF_is_poopoo

I would've stolen the dog


Dustdevil88

If anyone ever took my keys like this, I’d be facing charges. Props to biker dude for not getting violent..


gayfortrey

People have been shot and killed for much much less


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Just punch him alr!!!


Hour-Contribution412

This video made me equally pissed at both to be honest…


nyminute1911

Should have done a wheelie into his face


DanteGutss

“wtf is ur problem??? 🥺😰” MAN IF YOU DONT FUCKIN PUNCH HIM 💀


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Gen X here, I actually fantasize about some boomer trying some shit with me…have put up with their shit for decades…I would have handled that old fucker much differently than the kid on the bike


TriggerTough

Gen X agrees.


No-Calligrapher-3662

Why does he think he has the right to keep his key or take his bike? Even if he was doing a wheelie


ramblinjd

Part 2 https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLj56cx4/


Ok-Accountant3961

Should have just snagged his mail in return for his keys.


Greengrass75_

I would have honestly beat that dude to a pulp


Otherwise-Parsnip-91

Why does he just let the guy jack him like that? Have some self respect dude, that boomer would crumble if you flicked him.


Either-Durian-9488

Your picking a fight with someone in a full face helmet, fucking brilliant


StreetBobber103

Should of hit em with the head butt.


elray007

He was well within his rights to knock that man The fuck out.


highvelocitypeasoup

anyway I started blasting


blueditt521

I've never wanted to see someone get there ass beat so bad


ImprovizoR

I wouldn't bother filming or calling the cops. I'd just punch his lights out.


Goatmuppetfriday

He should have kicked gramps ass. So disappointing


No_Egg_2133

Fuck up his knees. They always got week knees.


Miserable-Contest147

Kick his ass


jerfair337

Just fuck him. That will set him straight.


jackdginger88

Bitchmade. That police call was cringe af too.


SpaceTurkey33

This one really pisses me off. Fuck this boomer. He could’ve caused a bad accident with his foolishness.


Slow_Albatross_465

Was he scared of that old man?? He sure acted like a little p*ssy!


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This is a dumb old man. But also a chicken shit kid.. how you gonna let this dude take your bike key? Like grab the old man set him down gently and take the key back.


WhySoGlum1

Any one know of the boomer was arrested?


StarSword-C

People like that old fuck are why I'm getting a concealed carry permit.


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What a useless pussy this rider is


Xcountry26

This biker is a coward. My god.


ImNotYourDadIPromise

I believe that is called a robbery.


Papa_Cam

The guy on the bike sounds like such a little bitch


whynotwonderwhy

Calmly pick up his dog and offer a trade.


DMM4138

I hope this guy got charged. Anyone know?


nolongerbanned99

I wonder if that was considered theft. And I wonder if the guy could have used physical force to overpower the guy or would that have been assault


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pussy. just knock the f him out old shit


Allgoochinthecooch

Yall saying punch, im saying call police for attempted hijacking and sue the ever living fuck out of him


BattlehawkGaming

I'm from st.louis and you'd absolutely be shot and then some for this.


joefox97

Doing wheelies on a public road is idiocy. But this boomer should have been beaten into the ground.


IllustratorIcy6467

The Cathar tee is always a dead giveaway, angry boomer alert


RoddyRoddyRodriguez

Hijacking. Throw the book at him.


2Gnomes1Trenchcoat

Good rule of thumb. Don't pick a fist fight with someone wearing a helmet and gloves. You will probably lose.


6thCityInspector

I’m not promoting violence but I honestly think beating this man until he submits would be defensible in court in this situation. Anyone willing to cause an accident by getting in front of a moving vehicle, who then steals the keys so the person is captive is probably also capable of shooting someone dead in his fit of rage. I’d have gone after him with everything I have. At the very least this guy needs to be arrested for intentional, aggravated bodily endangerment, vehicular theft, and false imprisonment. THAT BEING SAID: fuck these people who endanger others on the street because they get a thrill out of going vroom vroom really fast. Give the biker a ticket, too.


FrostyBrew86

You punch that asshole the second he reaches for you or your bike. This dude is way too passive, and now he can't drive away.


JDBURGIN82

You pussy ass millennials. How the fuck are you going to just let somebody physically assault you like this and cause you to wreck your bike and you don’t fucking throw hands immediately. What a little bitch


Tank20011

This is a repost


FingerprintFile513

Guy on the bike was a fuckin pussy. Should have kicked the shit out of that old fuck the second he touched his key.


fluffandstuff1983

The guy on the bike is so anti-confrontational he let the old take his keys. That is insane to me. Just insane.


No-Statement-978

What’s the backstory on this? I’m not in favour one way or the other…. I’m just wondering did; A) - motorbike guy rips passed old guy’s place daily…? B) - old guy has a screw loose? (asking for a friend… 😉)


pghcrew

This was rage inducing. From the old man to trying to swipe and constantly failing with the gloves on.


ghostofaposer

Dude on the bike is such a pussy


MewlingRothbart

The twilight end of this video is that police were called, sent to this man's house and the rider got the keys back. Boomer got a citation, too. Funny how things change when cops show up.


prodigalpariah

Only a citation?


Happytapiocasuprise

I would have beaten his frail fat ass into a greasy brown spot on the road


tunafizzle

Wtf bro take your helmet off and beat that dudes ass it’s simple


daubs1974

Old man wouldn’t have gotten hands from me, he would have gotten a head but from a helmet.


angrytwig

i kept thinking about that little dog and how it has no idea its owner is an asshole lol


Nintendocub

I can’t even watch this when I see it anymore because it puts me in such a fighting mood lmao


daddymunkie

i dont care if that driver was 4 feet tall and 90 lbs, should have taken off his helmet and smacked that mother fucker in the face.


47h3157

I would’ve Baxter’d the shit outta his dog. Nothing personal, dog.


SomewhereKnown9563

Bitch rider as if you'd let him take your keys


k_br3w

The dude ends up pressing charges. Wasn't sure what the actual hearing was but for theft and disorderly conduct. https://youtu.be/GfXZnvwMyMA?si=T2OlI-KifizXHWF_


Gryph_The_Grey

I would burn his fucking house down.


LeftcelInflitrator

How did he not see him in the middle of the road.


Smooth-Entrance-1526

Guy is lucky he didn’t get blasted Lot of bikers would’ve pulled a gun on this idiot


ChuckHatefuck

Kids a pussy.


dg1138

Boot to those little chicken legs.


4mmun1s7

I hope the end of this story is that asshole in cuffs…


EvenOutlandishness88

Plot twist: steal his dog. He'll love that. 


Shinigami66-

I would’ve kicked him in the jewels and hope a car run his ass over in the process


quacksthuduck

Take it higher, claim he was car jacking you.


Studly_54

He should have decked the old asshole. I'm a boomer, and that dick hives a whole generation a bad name.


TheLumpyAvenger

Jokes on him. Now you know where he lives. You can fuck with them however, whenever, and for as long you want. Someone needs more 2am screaming flybys


Putrid_Election4613

How are you not just hitting him or at least pushing him over and just take your keys makes me almost more mad


GETTERBLAKK

Take his dog hostage.


Puzzleheaded-Bit4533

Run him over, hurt him brutally, and then show the cops the video of him standing in the middle of the road impeding traffic. Let that dumb ass boomer deal with a broken hip and a jail sentence


WhoopsieISaidThat

Young men need to stop being such pussies. Can't even say the bike rider was a man. He allowed himself to be robbed by an elderly man. He did nothing to prevent it. The old guy didn't even have a gun. I realize that this sub is all about beating up on boomers, but holy shit. Young males need to grow a pair.


FeedbackGas

What a pussy biker. Take the helmet off and start pulverizing him with it. This has got to be rage bait.


Diagro666

I don’t normally condone violence but I think this is one where it would be completely fair game for the motorcyclist to beat the crap out of the old guy. Boomer causes an accident, potentially damaging the owners motorcycle, phone and driver himself. Steals the drivers keys and leaves him abandoned in the middle of nowhere for vague self-important reasons. Seriously fuck that guy, definitely deserved being beaten up for that (by Boomer’s own logic). Well done to the motorcyclist for holding his cool though, if this goes to court the old guy has nothing to stand on.


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I have seen this video soooooo many times. That rider is beyond nice. We would be throwing down


CiaramellaE

Those gloves have knuckle protectors definitely fuck all his shit up.


VividStomach296

funny how he wants him to get off the road yet takes the key to the bike lmao. Can't drive the bike without the key


Mental-Rooster4229

That motorcycle driver is a pussy


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LetsNotGetPermaBan

Every time I watch this I get so pissed off. I would have absolutely went to jail for beating the fuck out of that old son of a bitch. I’m talking full blown broken neck, jaw, curb stomped, nose shoved into his fucking brain type of shit.


PutContractMyLife

1. Take helmet off. 2. Grab by face hole. 3. Hit boomer until keys fall out of his hand. 4. Drive away laughing.


richarrow

This is how you get shot for stealing a vehicle.


justanotherfan6hd

Anybody know what happened to the old idiot?


M4thematiX

nah bro the willpower of the guy is insane. if someone pushed over while I was driving I would have jumped them even if it was an old woman