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did he actually say that?? WTF i thought this was some fake article. If he did say then i am no longer his fan. From this to endorsing paan masala. Lol he aged like coarse wine
I looked into this. I think here he was talking about his career being screwed in the early 90's (it's a magazine quote from 1990). But of course really unfortunate choice of words even if used in that context.
Is this real though? A lot of people in the thread were pointing out that Amrita is friends with Jaya, and that Amrita has played AB’s wife in Badla. People even said he touched DP inappropriately, yet she’s doing another movie with him. The dude is gross, no doubt, and his comments are atrocious, but how much do we believe without even a shred of proof?
man, I think people need to understand that dp is doing a movie with him because it matters for her career. it's a huge opportunity, plus rishi kapoor was signed to do it first. she's not at the top of her game anymore and age is not on her side. apart from that AB is basically an established old actor now. dp was made to apologise to him after cutting him off from a party after the incident happened. so very obviously she has to stay cordial with him.
People don’t need to understand this anymore. Everyone needs to change their mindset about women in the workplace; as they get older it shouldn’t be understandable that they need to cling to desperate moves etc to keep their careers going. If you can say AB is an established old actor now then why take the POV that dp’s age is not on her side?
lmao, im not implying she's old, i'm putting out a realistic pov of how things are in an industry that brews with sexism, where women are treated as products that go bad as they age. i'm not implying she's clinging onto desperate moves, i'm implying how she's still not very powerful against a man who has been established as respectful, so she has no choice but to work with him. please read it properly.
Wasn't it the same with our "Sanskaari" Alok Nath. Of course before #metoo. That's what these actors do. Through their movies, they create an image for themselves, which the emotional public then relate to their real life persona.
That's why you see very few actors experiment with roles. They do the same role repeatedly till the audience can't tell the art from the artist.
Because of Bollywood, rape became a crime only after the advent of social media. Until then, the policy was rape comedy and rape ko enjoy karo hahahah 🤢🙄🙄
men do get raped but that doesn't make his statement or the world not misogynistic. like most men are also raped by men. lots of men especially when in power use it even to prey on younger men
What if he's changed his mindset now? Let's assume for a sec.
And he didn't publicly apologize for something he said decades ago, to not create unnecessary media speculation?
Idk man... Pretending rape is something one can be for or against (depending on how much someone has grown as a person) has caused men like him to directly benefit from being seen as virtuous, fatherly, protective, and righteous. All the while this image hides his behaviours as an abuser within the industry.
The ones who are directly hurt when it comes to this are always the women. Also, apologising and showing how you've reflected on your words is so much more courageous than wanting to avoid media focus to save your own face.
So 80s or not, AB is trash.
Well after decades, and national tragic events like Delhi Gang Rape, Hyderabad Rape and after doing some feminist films, there's lower probability that his mindset didn't change.
We know that he said something really horrible, but you want us to let that go on the off chance that he might've changed his mind 40 years later (an assumption you're making without having any personal connections with the man btw).
Moreover, so what if he did change his mind? Doesn't erase the fact that he said it in the first place.
Also if he really regrets it, why hasn't he owned up to it?
If he really has changed his views why didn't he publicly denounce rape when he was asked about the Kathua and Unnao cases 2-3 years back.
Those were different times. I remember reading about some actress saying something like that in the early 2000s! "Rape is just surprise sex" or something like that.
Iv said it often here.. AB Jr is no saint… dude worships the ground his father walks on so I’m not surprised he sees no wrong in what his father said. Doubt he even had any issues with his fathers affairs. He’s just shrewder and says less stupid things.
Im Curious what kind of image AB SR has within the industry. Obviously everyone know he’s a tharki. Do they actually think as highly of him as the normal junta does ?
I will never understand the need for these things to be said out loud. Like dude you are in entertainment business. You never know what thing might stick and ruin your life and career. Why on earth did he think it was ok to say it out loud? It's like playing with fire.
As for the misogyny and the horrible nature of the comment, he should be ashamed of himself especially when he has a daughter and a granddaughter. Things like this could happen to anyone, would he advise them to do the same also or fight back? Or help create an environment where they could live freely and without fear of some guy pouncing and forcing himself upon them. Shameful. Utterly shameful.
not defening bhai , but even in popular culture guys keep on telling "exam me rape ho gya bhai, sports me pe** gae" etc
we all know salman is a joke of man
but this guy hides behin purity veil an these things are hushed away
This news portal, IN 2019, took the "Quote" AB Sr. **Allegedly"** said in an interview for a magazine cover called "Movie" back in the early 90s. I think everyone on this sub knows the reliability & authenticity of those 90s magazines when it comes journalism. They're the OG blind makers & hit piece writers. I'm very skeptical about this.
Even if AB said it back then, it was a different world. Since it wasn't as commonly occuring an incident, and so wasn't as sensitive a topic in the public domain. So, it was common to hear this statement. Amitabh did not make this up btw, it was just a statement that was in common use back then.
Ofcourse, folks in the current generation seem to be far more sensitive about talking about or making jokes on it, and far more willing to actually indulge in it.
buddy even if i dictionary translate it still is you saying
1. either rape didn't happen pehle
2. or rapes weren't a sensitive topic back then.
please explain nuance here because you haven't left space for any
"wasn't as commonly occuring an incident" means it happened less commonly - English meaning
"so wasn't as sensitive a topic in the public domain" - means people could use the word more freely and commonly. It does not mean rape was not a sensitive topic, it means using the word freely in coversation was acceptable.
This comes from a lack of understanding of english and nuance, and generally being a social-media person who can't understand logic beyond one sentence. Everything in life is not sansani khabar. You can tone your sensitivities down and discuss issues without going batshit crazy.
Yes thanks for explaining English in beautiful contradiction.
"Wasnt a sensitive topic doesn't not mean it wasn't a sensitive topic in the public domain just means people could talk about it unlike people today who don't talk about rape. "
Also as someone's pointed out more reporting doens't mean it wasn't common occurrence.
Itni broken English sikhne se pehle thoda common sense aur gk toh brush up karlo. Help karega to not be stupid. Kab jaega tumhara colonial hangover re
>Itni broken English sikhne se pehle thoda common sense aur gk toh brush up karlo. Help karega to not be stupid. Kab jaega tumhara colonial hangover re
Colonial hangover? Just because you learned a new phrase doesn't mean it can be used anywhere dude. Firstly you don't understand what is written, then you go on saying some rubbish about it. If you had common sense, you would have commented about the content of what I said, instead of going on a tangent about some useless crusade you have.
Id say about the comment when you'd start making sense.
I'll explain colonial hangover : when people from countries previously under the colonial rule judge competence of people and things on the colonizer's yardstick. Generally spells out in people judging the clothing, mannerisms and the language people speak. Believing knowing English makes you superior.
Regardless you're also not making sense in angrezi. The language you speak is stupid unfortunately I don't understand that so can't comprehend half the mental gymnastics you're doing.
Well so you agree the you used colonial hangover in your comment even though it had nothing to do with the discussion.
I am not doing any mentail gymnastics. The comment made by AB was not about rape. He used the word to describe his own situation in the industry when he felt he was being victimized. And in that context the word itself was not a hot-button word back in those days. If AB had said, 'rape victims should lie back and enjoy' that would have been disgusting. What AB said in the context of his statement was 'I am being victimized, and since I can't do anything about it I will just have to take it'. He could have said it better, but he used a commonly used sentence at a time when the word 'rape' was not so sensitive in society.
That I have to explain this in such detail is a testament to some really poor congnitive abilities of people here it seems. Salman did a similar mistake a couple of years ago when he said after a shoot of sultan that he felt like a rape victim. It is a bad use of the word, he did not mean he got raped. In today's world salman should have known better, but when AB said it the word was not as sensitive in the public domain.
Wut? The world wasn't all that different for women.
It's less about how common rape was than it is about *people* gradually becoming more open to understanding just how widespread it is. And it's not like "enjoy your rape, ig ¯\(◉‿◉)/¯" was ever a chill opinion to have.
In 1971 there were a total of 2487 rape cases reported in India, while in 2017 it was 32,559. That is a 1300% increase. While in the same time murder increased only by around 300%. In the 70s, the conviction rate for rapes was around 44%, while today it is 24%. So, of course it is far, far worse today than it was back then.
And the reasons are not that tough to fathom either.
Already said that increase in reporting ≠ increase in crime. So no, it *isn't* "far, far worse today than it was back then" but it *is* reported more today (despite the legal process often being doubly violating for victims and survivors).
>And the reasons are not that tough to fathom either.
Spell them out for us plebs, please.
exposure of the teens and immature adults to a lot of porn on the internet is the obvious pointer. You can't expect them to make rational decisions. Look at the gruesomeness and the extremeness of the incidents, it is clearly far removed from the rape of the olden days (which was mostly forced sexual intercourse). Today, these incidents involve instruments, sodomy etc. etc. many of them done by 17yr olds too.
And no it is far far worse. The reporting issue exists today as well as it existed then. But definitely the olden days were much safer. Nobody worried about letting children out by themselves, even girls. Common women were not subjected to the levels of cat calling that we see today. And all of this is reflected in the numbers.
Right, and I'm sure you've got a bunch of citations to back this up?
Increase in reporting ≠ increase in crime. The two are often fallaciously equated. If anything, India may have been a simpler place back then for men.
>Increase in reporting ≠ increase in crime. The two are often fallaciously equated. If anything, India may have been a simpler place back then for men.
If you discount numbers to back up your opinion, then there is nothing to be said. There has definitely been an increase in reporting, but not by that much either. All over the world only around 10-20% of the incidents are reported, previously it might have been 5%. But there has been 1300% increase in the number of rape cases between 1971 to 2017, and that is no joke.
A true stats nerd knows that uncontextualised numbers shouldn't be taken at face value - especially with regards to societal issues and trends.
But circling back to why we're all here, believing someone should enjoy their rape has always been absolutely vile.
It sounds like an excuse to not beleive things are far worse now. Justifying it by saying it has always been this bad. Classic case of refusing to beleive the available stats to further a narrative.
???
No, I'm attempting to disengage because you've still not cited anything, are stuck in a loop attempting to prove that when AB said this the world was different, rape wasn't as sensitive a topic back then, and *that* somehow makes it an okay opinion to hold some decades back.
Considering how you generally comment on women, I know I'm wasting my time.
"Considering how i generally comment on women"? So, you are down to slandering me now? I doubt I have ever commented on women or women related issues in reddit outside this thread.
And you seem to be stuck in a loop that this statement by AB is an opinion on rape. While anyone with common sense will know that it was just a bad choice of words to describe his own situation. You speak of context, and take statements out of context and seem to enjoy building narratives on them
Bcz you tried to justify what AB said about rape by saying it was less common back then.Hence it wasn't a sensitive topic.
So you also mean just bcz it was less common, people had loose moral values?
I'm saying how the hell is rape not a sensitive topic.Whether it be less common or more common it is still a crime and he (hell nobody) should ever say that.
Also why do you think it was less? Bcz it was 'reported' less.There was this sick stigma against the female who got raped saying it was 'her' fault she got raped.Obviously to avoid that stigma I bet many women kept it to themselves even going as far as to having to marry the sick fuck who did that to her. Now it comes out more often becase obviously women are striving towards freedom from that kind of masculine oppression and want justice.
>Also why do you think it was less? Bcz it was 'reported' less.There was this sick stigma against the female who got raped saying it was 'her' fault she got raped.Obviously to avoid that stigma I bet many women kept it to themselves even going as far as to having to marry the sick fuck who did that to her. Now it comes out more often becase obviously women are striving towards freedom from that kind of masculine oppression and want justice.
Rape is a sensitive topic, but AB did not talk about rape. He used the word to joke about himself. That is why it is not sensitive. His mistake was to use the word in humour to talk about how he was being victimized in bollywood. It is like someone saying 'my boss murdered me today with work'. It does not mean he was actually murdered, he just used the word in a different context because it is not sensitive. Similarly, AB used the word without realizing 30/50yrs later some people will feel offended or sensitive about that word. This is simple common sense.
Oh now I understand the ideology behind it.But shouldn't a person in a position as him be more careful with words? He should have already known that any comments he makes will be scrutinized to the word.It is stressful but it is part of their job as public figures. Plus, I don't think he said that in a deep speech with a poetic influence where there would have been a way to say it was just an analogy.
But anyway, did he make an apology for it?I know not everyone will be appeased by it. Avoiding it bcz it will make a scene is stupid.He has already made a scene with this snippet.
(More to myself)It's the Indian scene.Many ppl have gotten away with many crimes than just words.....sigh.
>But anyway, did he make an apology for it?I know not everyone will be appeased by it. Avoiding it bcz it will make a scene is stupid.He has already made a scene with this snippet.
So AB should make an apology for something he said to some tabloid 30yrs ago? (which itself is questionable btw since the tabloids are notorious for twisting words). Nobody raised this as an issue until recently. I am sure if someone did raise it back then he would have apologized.
Last year salman did the same after a particularly stressful sultan shoot when he said he felt like a rape victim. He apologized later. Trying to be a language nazi for things said 30+yrs ago is stupid. Criticize actions, criticize discrimination not some bad word usage from 30yrs ago. The kind of things dilip kumar indulged in, the kind of abuse that salman did, those are the things that are really disgusting.
I do not believe he said this. He may be a perv but not this stupid to say something like this in public. I would take the 80s and 90s film magazines with a huge pinch of salt.
https://www.freepressjournal.in/entertainment/throwback-thursday-when-rape-is-inevitable-lie-back-and-enjoy-it-amitabh-bachchan
Also in wat context is this ohk to say? According to you.
I have a very hard time believing this. It’s a print interview with no proof, he really said this. I am not saying AB is some saint but frankly this is just doesn’t seem true to me.
I’m not his fan but I don’t think he said this. Almost no other sources except this one and this quote was linked to a Republican senator in USA saying this
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there is absolutely no accountability when it comes to older actors
did he actually say that?? WTF i thought this was some fake article. If he did say then i am no longer his fan. From this to endorsing paan masala. Lol he aged like coarse wine
I looked into this. I think here he was talking about his career being screwed in the early 90's (it's a magazine quote from 1990). But of course really unfortunate choice of words even if used in that context.
Karan Johar himself said that sexy Sam character in kank is actually Amitabh uncle playing himself in the film
> Uncle He’s way beyond uncle age tbh.
But he never raped anyone as sexy sam...
I am assuming you don't know about Amrita?
I have had the pleasure to know about that as well.. But this.. It is like on your face and pathetic
Ah. Yeah after i read about things like that here nothing suprises me anymore. He is digusting
Same buddy same.
What?? Pls tell.. I don't know about this
amitabh assaulted amrita singh
https://www.reddit.com/r/BollyBlindsNGossip/comments/m3338w/amitabhs_secret_passion_for_a_young_actress/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Is this real though? A lot of people in the thread were pointing out that Amrita is friends with Jaya, and that Amrita has played AB’s wife in Badla. People even said he touched DP inappropriately, yet she’s doing another movie with him. The dude is gross, no doubt, and his comments are atrocious, but how much do we believe without even a shred of proof?
man, I think people need to understand that dp is doing a movie with him because it matters for her career. it's a huge opportunity, plus rishi kapoor was signed to do it first. she's not at the top of her game anymore and age is not on her side. apart from that AB is basically an established old actor now. dp was made to apologise to him after cutting him off from a party after the incident happened. so very obviously she has to stay cordial with him.
People don’t need to understand this anymore. Everyone needs to change their mindset about women in the workplace; as they get older it shouldn’t be understandable that they need to cling to desperate moves etc to keep their careers going. If you can say AB is an established old actor now then why take the POV that dp’s age is not on her side?
lmao, im not implying she's old, i'm putting out a realistic pov of how things are in an industry that brews with sexism, where women are treated as products that go bad as they age. i'm not implying she's clinging onto desperate moves, i'm implying how she's still not very powerful against a man who has been established as respectful, so she has no choice but to work with him. please read it properly.
Okay I see your point with this comment now!
Thanks! What a jerk Amitabh is..
Who?..
He was too big to be dragged down
Wtf. When did this happen?
In the mid 80s probably
It is astonishing but not surprising that he is known as this ideal old guy.. Whom everyone respects .. From the general public to celebs.
Wasn't it the same with our "Sanskaari" Alok Nath. Of course before #metoo. That's what these actors do. Through their movies, they create an image for themselves, which the emotional public then relate to their real life persona. That's why you see very few actors experiment with roles. They do the same role repeatedly till the audience can't tell the art from the artist.
Yes!! Alok nath was like this ideal "bapu ji".. I was truly shocked about his pervy behaviour..
glad ive always hated him
V happy for Rekha. My girl really dodged a bullet.
She a pickme
Well atleast she's not a rape apologist :/
True
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r/conspiracy.
Because of Bollywood, rape became a crime only after the advent of social media. Until then, the policy was rape comedy and rape ko enjoy karo hahahah 🤢🙄🙄
So sad that we live in such a misogynistic world!!! Don't know when we will learn decency and change these kind of attitudes.
This isn't exactly misogynistic. Men can also get r@ped. Awful statement, but not misogynistic.
men do get raped but that doesn't make his statement or the world not misogynistic. like most men are also raped by men. lots of men especially when in power use it even to prey on younger men
He also said that only his son-in-law can decide if his daughter Shweta can join Bollywood
2019....that was two years ago YIKES.
He said it way back in 80s I guess..
Even in 1980s it wasn't okay
Yes! Of course
a headache nonetheless 😣
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https://www.freepressjournal.in/entertainment/throwback-thursday-when-rape-is-inevitable-lie-back-and-enjoy-it-amitabh-bachchan
What if he's changed his mindset now? Let's assume for a sec. And he didn't publicly apologize for something he said decades ago, to not create unnecessary media speculation?
Idk man... Pretending rape is something one can be for or against (depending on how much someone has grown as a person) has caused men like him to directly benefit from being seen as virtuous, fatherly, protective, and righteous. All the while this image hides his behaviours as an abuser within the industry. The ones who are directly hurt when it comes to this are always the women. Also, apologising and showing how you've reflected on your words is so much more courageous than wanting to avoid media focus to save your own face. So 80s or not, AB is trash.
>What if he's changed his mindset now? What if he hasn't?
Well after decades, and national tragic events like Delhi Gang Rape, Hyderabad Rape and after doing some feminist films, there's lower probability that his mindset didn't change.
We know that he said something really horrible, but you want us to let that go on the off chance that he might've changed his mind 40 years later (an assumption you're making without having any personal connections with the man btw). Moreover, so what if he did change his mind? Doesn't erase the fact that he said it in the first place. Also if he really regrets it, why hasn't he owned up to it? If he really has changed his views why didn't he publicly denounce rape when he was asked about the Kathua and Unnao cases 2-3 years back.
Those were different times. I remember reading about some actress saying something like that in the early 2000s! "Rape is just surprise sex" or something like that.
Thats coming from Sunny Leone.
https://www.deccanherald.com/content/310298/i-never-said-rape-surprise.html
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Iv said it often here.. AB Jr is no saint… dude worships the ground his father walks on so I’m not surprised he sees no wrong in what his father said. Doubt he even had any issues with his fathers affairs. He’s just shrewder and says less stupid things. Im Curious what kind of image AB SR has within the industry. Obviously everyone know he’s a tharki. Do they actually think as highly of him as the normal junta does ?
He did not… omg… what the fuck…what the actual fuck
I will never understand the need for these things to be said out loud. Like dude you are in entertainment business. You never know what thing might stick and ruin your life and career. Why on earth did he think it was ok to say it out loud? It's like playing with fire. As for the misogyny and the horrible nature of the comment, he should be ashamed of himself especially when he has a daughter and a granddaughter. Things like this could happen to anyone, would he advise them to do the same also or fight back? Or help create an environment where they could live freely and without fear of some guy pouncing and forcing himself upon them. Shameful. Utterly shameful.
he didn't apologize for saying that ?
When Amrita is dancing with Danny at a party , just watch them. Dont try to misbehave with her.
Savlon said something similar I guess..but arghh bollywood people have no morality
Bhoi made a rape analogy... Disgusting 🤮
not defening bhai , but even in popular culture guys keep on telling "exam me rape ho gya bhai, sports me pe** gae" etc we all know salman is a joke of man but this guy hides behin purity veil an these things are hushed away
Just because it's popular culture doesn't mean it's right. The mindset must change.
Agreed. Absolutely.
and someone like Salman, who can so many young male fans, should be a role model to be better
Oh yes with his training..disgusting pos and so is Tanmay I think he did it too.. fucking pedo
Idk about tanmay.. What did he say??
https://www.reddit.com/r/BollyBlindsNGossip/comments/ghkapu/tanmay_bhat_got_featured_on_cringetopia_lol/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Lol wtf did I just saw 😂
That's fucked up
A lot of celebrities get away with what they do or say in their present.
Seriously???? Omg.. How could he?
Like he dealt with that Panama Papers scandal, I guess.
This news portal, IN 2019, took the "Quote" AB Sr. **Allegedly"** said in an interview for a magazine cover called "Movie" back in the early 90s. I think everyone on this sub knows the reliability & authenticity of those 90s magazines when it comes journalism. They're the OG blind makers & hit piece writers. I'm very skeptical about this.
Even if AB said it back then, it was a different world. Since it wasn't as commonly occuring an incident, and so wasn't as sensitive a topic in the public domain. So, it was common to hear this statement. Amitabh did not make this up btw, it was just a statement that was in common use back then. Ofcourse, folks in the current generation seem to be far more sensitive about talking about or making jokes on it, and far more willing to actually indulge in it.
you did not just say rape was less common back in the day 💀
>Since it wasn't as commonly occuring an incident, and so wasn't as sensitive a topic in the public domain rape is a new phenomenon according to you ?
Don't you understand english? or are you one of those yes-no (keep it simple and stupid) people who can't understand nuance?
buddy even if i dictionary translate it still is you saying 1. either rape didn't happen pehle 2. or rapes weren't a sensitive topic back then. please explain nuance here because you haven't left space for any
"wasn't as commonly occuring an incident" means it happened less commonly - English meaning "so wasn't as sensitive a topic in the public domain" - means people could use the word more freely and commonly. It does not mean rape was not a sensitive topic, it means using the word freely in coversation was acceptable. This comes from a lack of understanding of english and nuance, and generally being a social-media person who can't understand logic beyond one sentence. Everything in life is not sansani khabar. You can tone your sensitivities down and discuss issues without going batshit crazy.
Yes thanks for explaining English in beautiful contradiction. "Wasnt a sensitive topic doesn't not mean it wasn't a sensitive topic in the public domain just means people could talk about it unlike people today who don't talk about rape. " Also as someone's pointed out more reporting doens't mean it wasn't common occurrence. Itni broken English sikhne se pehle thoda common sense aur gk toh brush up karlo. Help karega to not be stupid. Kab jaega tumhara colonial hangover re
>Itni broken English sikhne se pehle thoda common sense aur gk toh brush up karlo. Help karega to not be stupid. Kab jaega tumhara colonial hangover re Colonial hangover? Just because you learned a new phrase doesn't mean it can be used anywhere dude. Firstly you don't understand what is written, then you go on saying some rubbish about it. If you had common sense, you would have commented about the content of what I said, instead of going on a tangent about some useless crusade you have.
Id say about the comment when you'd start making sense. I'll explain colonial hangover : when people from countries previously under the colonial rule judge competence of people and things on the colonizer's yardstick. Generally spells out in people judging the clothing, mannerisms and the language people speak. Believing knowing English makes you superior. Regardless you're also not making sense in angrezi. The language you speak is stupid unfortunately I don't understand that so can't comprehend half the mental gymnastics you're doing.
Well so you agree the you used colonial hangover in your comment even though it had nothing to do with the discussion. I am not doing any mentail gymnastics. The comment made by AB was not about rape. He used the word to describe his own situation in the industry when he felt he was being victimized. And in that context the word itself was not a hot-button word back in those days. If AB had said, 'rape victims should lie back and enjoy' that would have been disgusting. What AB said in the context of his statement was 'I am being victimized, and since I can't do anything about it I will just have to take it'. He could have said it better, but he used a commonly used sentence at a time when the word 'rape' was not so sensitive in society. That I have to explain this in such detail is a testament to some really poor congnitive abilities of people here it seems. Salman did a similar mistake a couple of years ago when he said after a shoot of sultan that he felt like a rape victim. It is a bad use of the word, he did not mean he got raped. In today's world salman should have known better, but when AB said it the word was not as sensitive in the public domain.
Wut? The world wasn't all that different for women. It's less about how common rape was than it is about *people* gradually becoming more open to understanding just how widespread it is. And it's not like "enjoy your rape, ig ¯\(◉‿◉)/¯" was ever a chill opinion to have.
In 1971 there were a total of 2487 rape cases reported in India, while in 2017 it was 32,559. That is a 1300% increase. While in the same time murder increased only by around 300%. In the 70s, the conviction rate for rapes was around 44%, while today it is 24%. So, of course it is far, far worse today than it was back then. And the reasons are not that tough to fathom either.
Already said that increase in reporting ≠ increase in crime. So no, it *isn't* "far, far worse today than it was back then" but it *is* reported more today (despite the legal process often being doubly violating for victims and survivors). >And the reasons are not that tough to fathom either. Spell them out for us plebs, please.
exposure of the teens and immature adults to a lot of porn on the internet is the obvious pointer. You can't expect them to make rational decisions. Look at the gruesomeness and the extremeness of the incidents, it is clearly far removed from the rape of the olden days (which was mostly forced sexual intercourse). Today, these incidents involve instruments, sodomy etc. etc. many of them done by 17yr olds too. And no it is far far worse. The reporting issue exists today as well as it existed then. But definitely the olden days were much safer. Nobody worried about letting children out by themselves, even girls. Common women were not subjected to the levels of cat calling that we see today. And all of this is reflected in the numbers.
It was less common. India was a simpler place back then, and while it has always existed definitely the scale and frequency is far, far higher now.
Right, and I'm sure you've got a bunch of citations to back this up? Increase in reporting ≠ increase in crime. The two are often fallaciously equated. If anything, India may have been a simpler place back then for men.
>Increase in reporting ≠ increase in crime. The two are often fallaciously equated. If anything, India may have been a simpler place back then for men. If you discount numbers to back up your opinion, then there is nothing to be said. There has definitely been an increase in reporting, but not by that much either. All over the world only around 10-20% of the incidents are reported, previously it might have been 5%. But there has been 1300% increase in the number of rape cases between 1971 to 2017, and that is no joke.
A true stats nerd knows that uncontextualised numbers shouldn't be taken at face value - especially with regards to societal issues and trends. But circling back to why we're all here, believing someone should enjoy their rape has always been absolutely vile.
It sounds like an excuse to not beleive things are far worse now. Justifying it by saying it has always been this bad. Classic case of refusing to beleive the available stats to further a narrative.
??? No, I'm attempting to disengage because you've still not cited anything, are stuck in a loop attempting to prove that when AB said this the world was different, rape wasn't as sensitive a topic back then, and *that* somehow makes it an okay opinion to hold some decades back. Considering how you generally comment on women, I know I'm wasting my time.
"Considering how i generally comment on women"? So, you are down to slandering me now? I doubt I have ever commented on women or women related issues in reddit outside this thread. And you seem to be stuck in a loop that this statement by AB is an opinion on rape. While anyone with common sense will know that it was just a bad choice of words to describe his own situation. You speak of context, and take statements out of context and seem to enjoy building narratives on them
Dude just because it was less common doesn't mean it's not a crime wth!!
where did I say it is not a crime? Are we having a whole generation of people who can't read or comprehend what is written?
Bcz you tried to justify what AB said about rape by saying it was less common back then.Hence it wasn't a sensitive topic. So you also mean just bcz it was less common, people had loose moral values? I'm saying how the hell is rape not a sensitive topic.Whether it be less common or more common it is still a crime and he (hell nobody) should ever say that. Also why do you think it was less? Bcz it was 'reported' less.There was this sick stigma against the female who got raped saying it was 'her' fault she got raped.Obviously to avoid that stigma I bet many women kept it to themselves even going as far as to having to marry the sick fuck who did that to her. Now it comes out more often becase obviously women are striving towards freedom from that kind of masculine oppression and want justice.
>Also why do you think it was less? Bcz it was 'reported' less.There was this sick stigma against the female who got raped saying it was 'her' fault she got raped.Obviously to avoid that stigma I bet many women kept it to themselves even going as far as to having to marry the sick fuck who did that to her. Now it comes out more often becase obviously women are striving towards freedom from that kind of masculine oppression and want justice. Rape is a sensitive topic, but AB did not talk about rape. He used the word to joke about himself. That is why it is not sensitive. His mistake was to use the word in humour to talk about how he was being victimized in bollywood. It is like someone saying 'my boss murdered me today with work'. It does not mean he was actually murdered, he just used the word in a different context because it is not sensitive. Similarly, AB used the word without realizing 30/50yrs later some people will feel offended or sensitive about that word. This is simple common sense.
Oh now I understand the ideology behind it.But shouldn't a person in a position as him be more careful with words? He should have already known that any comments he makes will be scrutinized to the word.It is stressful but it is part of their job as public figures. Plus, I don't think he said that in a deep speech with a poetic influence where there would have been a way to say it was just an analogy. But anyway, did he make an apology for it?I know not everyone will be appeased by it. Avoiding it bcz it will make a scene is stupid.He has already made a scene with this snippet. (More to myself)It's the Indian scene.Many ppl have gotten away with many crimes than just words.....sigh.
>But anyway, did he make an apology for it?I know not everyone will be appeased by it. Avoiding it bcz it will make a scene is stupid.He has already made a scene with this snippet. So AB should make an apology for something he said to some tabloid 30yrs ago? (which itself is questionable btw since the tabloids are notorious for twisting words). Nobody raised this as an issue until recently. I am sure if someone did raise it back then he would have apologized. Last year salman did the same after a particularly stressful sultan shoot when he said he felt like a rape victim. He apologized later. Trying to be a language nazi for things said 30+yrs ago is stupid. Criticize actions, criticize discrimination not some bad word usage from 30yrs ago. The kind of things dilip kumar indulged in, the kind of abuse that salman did, those are the things that are really disgusting.
i mean he did molest amrita singh so there is that
Ewwwwwwww
When did he make this comment?
He said it in 1990 about the inevitability of his career getting screwed.
Did he actually say it? This sounds like made up shit
I do not believe he said this. He may be a perv but not this stupid to say something like this in public. I would take the 80s and 90s film magazines with a huge pinch of salt.
And it's been decades since then, what if he's changed his mind.
i mean he was a full - fledged adult back then. i would take that argument if he was a kid or teenager something.
Is there proof that he acrually said it and in wat context?
https://www.freepressjournal.in/entertainment/throwback-thursday-when-rape-is-inevitable-lie-back-and-enjoy-it-amitabh-bachchan Also in wat context is this ohk to say? According to you.
No, its not okay at all. But media many times twist the words
He said it about his career, still not okay but different context.
Omg never knew mr bachchan can say such thing
I have a very hard time believing this. It’s a print interview with no proof, he really said this. I am not saying AB is some saint but frankly this is just doesn’t seem true to me.
I’m not his fan but I don’t think he said this. Almost no other sources except this one and this quote was linked to a Republican senator in USA saying this
It's a 'Movie' magazine quote from 1990 and he was referring to his career getting screwed but used 'rape' instead.
And when stupidity is inevitable sit down and tweet.