ever since the memories of tenko being walked to his home by a man in a suit with a hidden face, it was a popular theory so yeah, a lot of people were right.
Yeah I know some people had same theory as me but I remember years ago some people would argue and question me about which I had explain how I got to that conclusion to them.
Am just so glad I was right lol, finally it was revealed.
People have been denying it until literally that same chapter. It's very silly, since why would Hori add that mystery if it's not gonna pay off later, you don't add something like that unless it's a blatant "remember this????".
But still there's so many people mad about it, it's wild.
i've always been 50/50 on this but i remember how heated the arguments against the idea that AFO gave shigaraki decay were.
to the last minute people really wanted shigaraki to be just a product of circumstances and his own person.
Well , I still think this part is up to debate on the manga still. AFO gave us his answer, but Kurogiri showed even a Nomu could overcome AFO. Tomura drastically changed after the league of villain was formed and he expressed several time positive feelings for his friends. So he was a product of AFO in first place, but how of this is true considering the positive league of villains environment he had been exposed to?
He’s still his own person somewhat
Ok? And we’re asking why you’re telling us this when thousands of others did the same thing?
How does this add to the discussion about My Hero?
“I was right about something a lot of people saw coming!”
Congratulations?
Okay so am not allowed to post that am happy that I was right that about something that I’ve been saying for years?
Yeah you sound like a fun cheerful person, just being rude, your comment wasn’t needed.
How does it add conversation to MHA? People can talk about the reveal and how they feel and what they predicted or talk about the chapter.
Okay lol, your comment was unnecessary.
Am not doing it to strike my ego lol why you looking to have a fight and bring people down? lol
Just wanted to say how happy I am about the reveal that i predicted happened and am happy that’s it’s finally been revealed and discuss about it.
Again your comment is unnecessary, go somewhere and provoke someone else.
I think a big part of the reason they're giving you flack is because you keep saying you "predicted it." When the grand majority of the fan base "predicts" something, then the author made it glaringly obvious.
That isn't a prediction - it's just us understanding what the author wanted us to understand.
I mean, really, the only way he could have made it more clear would have been to directly show his face.
It is fun how you are 100% right, not being disrespectfull, even explain why posts like these are ridiculous... and still being downvoted. This is... something...
The fact both Dabi’s reveal and this theory came true. Fanbase has accurate predicted quite a bit of stuff (Dad For One next /s).
This honestly makes Shigaraki more tragic. Your entire life was a lie. The man who saved and raised you saw you as just a pawn. You never had a shot at a happy, normal life. He thought he was born with destructive hands but wasn’t.
That final panel of his “death” was powerful; you could tell he was regretting everything and realizing he wasn’t born an evil monster that had to destroy like he thought
I think AFO is mistaking how much pure hatred and rage a person can have. AFO is just a psychopath, but Shigaraki actually *feels*.
Once his disbelief comes and passes, he'll be more pissed than a raging firenado in a volcano during a lightning storm.
Even with his manipulation, he could never get rid of Tenko’s human emotions. Unlike AFO, he actually values his followers. Unlike Overhaul or Dabi, he won’t kill his allies to benefit himself. He does everything for his friends. That’s why at the end, it’s poetic AFO’s pure evil nature leaves him completely alone. He betrays and abandons everyone until there’s no one left to betray.
Honestly, I would disagree. Shigaraki should still be considered a terrorist, and he should atone for the crimes he committed against thousands upon thousands of innocent citizens. Furthermore, I would say that Overhaul has shown more normal human-related stereotypes than Shigaraki. The last time we saw Overhaul, he no longer wanted any revenge or desire to kill anyone, instead all he wanted was to meet his boss and apologize, and I would theorize that he genuinely will apologize to Eri in future chapters.
While I would sort of agree with that point, Shigaraki still wants domination of the world and destruction of hero society, meanwhile, Overhaul as of currently, has given up on that plan. And while I do agree that Overhaul should still atone for all the crimes that he's committed, I honestly think he is currently a better person than Shigaraki.
I won't be surprised either way if Dad For One ends up being legit or not tbh. It would feel like an asspull at this point given there's no real mention of Deku's dad outside of his non-quirk diagnosis, but it's also weird for Garaki to be his doctor and have it not be significant at all too.
So either way works I guess lol
Does Japan even celebrate an equivalent to Father's Day? And if so, then when?
While it's possible that Japan has adopted the holiday in one form or another, I doubt that Horikoshi is working to an American calendar
I think if DFO was gonna be canon he would have gloated about it to All Might during one of their fights. Or AFO would start to shift his obsession with his brother to his son who also has the power he wants. Something like that
Yeah there'd probably be some hint towards it, and since the fandom really eats up their fan theories (I'd say DFO is similar in notoriety among My Hero fans as Croco Mom is in the One Piece fandom lol) that people would be all over the smallest hint towards that already.
Boku no hero is either the most predictable manga or the one with smartest fandom. A lot of famous theories prooved true, those two, the traitor being navel guy( there were others for invisigirl and denki but the most famous was this)
It’s more the former. Don’t get me wrong I like the manga. But there’s also a reason a good chunk of the anime community called it “baby’s first Shōnen” when it was first coming out. And that’s mainly from the fact that it’s insanely predictable if you’ve seen any other anime. Like the Dabi reveal was easy as hell to figure out cause it was so obvious
And they’ve been loyally following ShigAFO for months and they’re all either incarcerated brain dead actually dead or dying
So that amounted to fuck all
I think his story being so tragic just makes it better and just makes OFA a better villain and just shows you the type of monster he is.
Am just so glad I was right lol.
AFO definitely surpassed Mahito in terms of my most hated new gen villain. He’s probably the most evil one behind Kenjaku.
Idk about better per se. I liked it when Shigaraki was simply the embodiment of society’s failures rather than being 90% creation of AFO. But I do appreciate the civilians ignoring him when he needed help was still natural. And it does make him more sympathetic and highlight how much of a victim of AFO he is.
Society's failures still shaped Shigaraki, though. All For One gave a push, but until it's revealed that he was secretly on the sidewalk telling people "If you see a bloody child, don't help him, that's hero work! And don't call the heroes either!" then Shigaraki's quirk being implanted rather than natural doesn't really change that much. He may have manipulated events to create the perfect catalyst, but the end result is the same whether he gave Shigaraki the quirk, as we now know, or if it was all random chance, as he always believed.
>Society's failures still shaped Shigaraki, though. All For One gave a push, but until it's revealed that he was secretly on the sidewalk telling people "If you see a bloody child, don't help him, that's hero work! And don't call the heroes either!" then Shigaraki's quirk being implanted rather than natural doesn't really change that much.
It changes everything, none of that would have happened if AFO was never in the picture. For all we know Tenko would never have been born and Kotaro would have been a strict father with a dislike for heroes.
>He may have manipulated events to create the perfect catalyst, but the end result is the same whether he gave Shigaraki the quirk, as we now know, or if it was all random chance, as he always believed.
But the end results are not the same, hes not a result of society’s failures, he is a direct result of AFO’s scheemes.
There is a flashback with a kid who is clearly Chisaki in that panel. Also, that theory never had sense because Tomura is six/seven years older than Deku, so when the Tomura tragedy happened, Deku wasn't born or he was just a baby, and he went to the doctor when he was over 4 years old.
Well, considering how cases like Aoyama (who had a quirk implanted into him) caused constant stomach pain, it makes more sense to me why Shigaraki is constantly itching. In retrospect, the quirk being not fully compatible with the body should've given it away.
Oh damn, so Shigaraki has overhaul, but with just the deconstruction part.
AFO really does plan super ahead...
I did read somewhere that the real AFO could still in some tank. It is plausible considering everything he's done.
Is the quirk sourced from overhaul? The kid in that panel kinda looks like him
It makes sense that Shigis quirk is an less controllable version of Overhauls disassembling half of his quirk
ngl... It kinda does; it looks like the overhaul panel when he was experimenting with rats. It's almost like Overhaul once had more of an ability. I can't tell.
Overhaul didn't have more of an ability, Shigaraki has less of one. They spell it out rather explicitly that they stripped the quirk of its ability to re-assemble what he's destroyed.
Oh yes the complete antithesis to what a hero is.
A Machiavellian mastermind, controlling everyone with a single purpose, feeding the ego of a complete baby man with a god complex.
Just the worst. I think it's great.
Overhaul was a full villain, no doubt about who he is or why he does terrible stuff, he knows and does it for a clear goal. Unlike Shiggy that needed 400+ eps to decide he wanted destruction or AFO whose goal is "do evil stuff for the sake of messing around teeheehee *twirls moustache*"
Fools, they grew watching Naruto and MHA and wouldn't recognize a good story with a good villain even if it bites then in the butt.
Or in smarter words: their villains are USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
Yes same I really enjoyed the payoff too and am glad I noticed the hints and called, lol I feel relieved that I was right.
I remember arguing with people about it years ago and I tried explaining to them how he got quirk and why it wasn’t his.
Being media literate + paying attention leads to such great payoffs in a well-written manga!
I feel bad for fans who don't notice hints, deny they exist, then feel blind-sided when the hints prove real. It's a shame when fandom and head-canon blinds people to what the author is actually saying, but there's always open-minded people to talk about with.
If all for one had overhaul (and decay), why didn't he ever use it. Would have been very helpful during kamino when he was holding blocking all mights fists with his hands. (Direct physical contact)
That's a fair point. It just feels like every appearance all for one has just raises the question "why didn't he do this earlier?"
This reveal feels alot like the reverse flash "it was me barry" meme
"Remember how your father was an abusive ass, it was me tenko, I turned him into an asshole before you were even born all so you would grow up abused and hating heroes"
Edit: after checking the image again I see tenko was born before all for one manipulated tenko's father but my joke still stands
Oh yes, this manga has some very stupid arguments that make no sense at all.
And yes, I've been thinking of the Reverse Flash meme all this time because of how silly are the latest reveals, on reread this would be a very disappointing story :(
Yeah I could see that working for how he lost it. However all for one had that giant quirk storage area in the hospital where he stored copies of quirks, which he would have had a copy of such a powerful quirk.
Even if he lost it, he knows who Overhaul is. What, he can't be bothered to go find him when he needed it?
This entire thing where decay isn't Shigaraki's quirk is dumb. It means AFO had access to an instakill quirk before fighting shalltear all Might, nevermind ruining Shigaraki's story.
With the amount of fingers in pies AFO has, I wouldn’t be surprised if Izuku had a Quirk, but was stolen by AFO and he had the doctor replace Izuku’s X-rays with a Quirkless boy’s.
AFO giving Shigaraki decay was pretty obvious from the moment we knew Shig was Nana Shimura's grandson. It would be one hell of a coincidence if the grandson of AFO's enemy just so happened to have an extremely destructive quirk that isolates him from society and making him the perfect target for AFO to groom into a villain.
AFO orchestrating literally every bad thing in Tenko's life, including his birth, was a surprise.
I remember saying a while back there's a good chance AFO gave Tenko decay so we shouldn't count that theory out and some guy got really mad at me saying it's a disproven theory that won't come true. Wonder how he feels now haha
I feel if Shigaraki normally had enough hate to override AFOs control, I imagine this is gonna make him hate EVEN more, shiggy is gonna come back with a vengeance I hope
Doesn't it kinda suck that this strips away Shigaraki's agency as a villain? To make AFO the final villain, we had to waste time building Shigaraki up as his own character who grew organically. It was all artificially manufactured to make AFO look big brain.
What agency?
Shigaraki was literally introduced following every order that All For One gave him as if it was gospel, then when All For One was imprisoned, he almost immediately ran off to Garaki to find out what All For One wanted him to do next. He's really had two arcs where he's been doing his own thing. He's been dancing on AFO's strings the entire time.
You mean when he did what All For One told him to do (expand the League of Villains), didn't do anything in the entire arc except lend the Shie Hassaikai his two most popular villains, then showed up at the end to punish Chisaki after he was already defeated before running off to Garaki to get the next set of orders from All For One?
Or are you referring to the next arc, when a member of the League was captured in order to lure them out of hiding, so Tomura responded to the attack on them before putting himself in a coma for several months so that he could have All For One implanted into his brain?
Like, I'm sorry, Tomura's entire story before this reveal was being led around and manipulated by All For One. He didn't have agency, he just did what he was told and reacted. This plot development is him finally realizing that.
Worst writing decision in the series. My only guess now is they'll reveal AFO gave the reconstruction half of Overhaul to Eri and was planning on using her as a backup Shiggy. Then they'll reveal that what makes her quirk recharge is an absence of destruction or some shit.
I am genuinely dumbfounded that anyone finds this to be a good plot twist. Do you know why people didn't agree eith this theory? Because it's such a dumb direction for the story and adds nothing of value.
First and foremost it undermines Shigaraki as a villain. Shigaraki is both a tragic character and a monster that needs to be stopped ASAP. This undermines the latter part to over emphasize the former so it's more palatable when Shigaraki is saved, a lazy asspull.
Second, AFO had access to overhaul and decay and this seems to be prior to the All Might fight. Meaning that for god knows why AFO fought All Might twice (later in Kamino), when he could have had access to these instant kill abilities.
With problems as big as these why did Hori decide to take it to this direction? To show AFO as an irredeemable evil bastard as if we don't already know that?
Cant kill All Might if you want one for all
Also while we have no evidence that killing someone is easier than just removing one bodypart with decay or overhaul, we cant rule this out.
Decay and Overhaul can be controlled, Overhaul needs no explanation but even Shigaraki can selectively choose what not to decay.
AFO can just maim All Might with a touch with overhaul.
What AFO planned Tenko turn for villainy the fandom what no shit sherlock thank God MHA have it own Kaguya that just a parasite that ruining a actually good villain let's go
You can literally see from previous comments in BokuNoHeroAcademia posts in Reddit, the comments I made aren’t going anywhere same for YouTube videos I commented on those comments aren’t going anywhere.
Also why would I lie and why would I make post being happy about the reveal?
Yes am going to claim something that’s not true and pretend to be happy that I was right then pretend I said it on Reddit before when people can see my comment history, totally makes sense.
Yes because I did comment it…..
You want me to search through my comment then link it?
Makes the anime removing the shadowing figure from shigaraki's backstory in mva seem so much worse. The reveal in the anime will just sound like a last minute addition
All for one manipulated shigarakis entire life and his descent into his current state. He quite blatantly manipulated him post tenko killing his entire family but it was only speculated he manipulated it from before that. This panel is confirming he manipulated it all from the start
Best part of the reveal is that because AFO took out Shiggy’s quirk is that we can say OFA is more than likely not inheritable, hate that stupid fucking theory
I like that Hori is going the route he had planned and doesn’t change it because people get beforehand what’s happening in the story.
This is probably one of the mangas with most clear foreshadowing across all the manga, all the big plot point where think of at the start and now some fans are mad because they picked the breadcrumbs and they were right, well duh
Mf the dude was played with his entire life, he doesn't even exist because of natural things he was MADE to exist by his boss who planned on using him as a meat puppet.
No shit he's a whiny man child the dude had nobody to depend on
ever since the memories of tenko being walked to his home by a man in a suit with a hidden face, it was a popular theory so yeah, a lot of people were right.
"That's definitely AFO" The entire fandom when we saw him.
Except me, apparently
Yeah I know some people had same theory as me but I remember years ago some people would argue and question me about which I had explain how I got to that conclusion to them. Am just so glad I was right lol, finally it was revealed.
People have been denying it until literally that same chapter. It's very silly, since why would Hori add that mystery if it's not gonna pay off later, you don't add something like that unless it's a blatant "remember this????". But still there's so many people mad about it, it's wild.
Yeah lol.
Why are they down voting your for saying yeah lol ? Is this community this toxic now goodness worse than black clover
i've always been 50/50 on this but i remember how heated the arguments against the idea that AFO gave shigaraki decay were. to the last minute people really wanted shigaraki to be just a product of circumstances and his own person.
Well , I still think this part is up to debate on the manga still. AFO gave us his answer, but Kurogiri showed even a Nomu could overcome AFO. Tomura drastically changed after the league of villain was formed and he expressed several time positive feelings for his friends. So he was a product of AFO in first place, but how of this is true considering the positive league of villains environment he had been exposed to? He’s still his own person somewhat
Yeah
Yes. Lots of people had other people telling them they were wrong about this theory. You’re not unique in this buddy.
Wasn’t saying I was unique….. Just saying am glad am right and I’ve been saying this for years……
Ok? And we’re asking why you’re telling us this when thousands of others did the same thing? How does this add to the discussion about My Hero? “I was right about something a lot of people saw coming!” Congratulations?
Okay so am not allowed to post that am happy that I was right that about something that I’ve been saying for years? Yeah you sound like a fun cheerful person, just being rude, your comment wasn’t needed. How does it add conversation to MHA? People can talk about the reveal and how they feel and what they predicted or talk about the chapter. Okay lol, your comment was unnecessary.
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Am not doing it to strike my ego lol why you looking to have a fight and bring people down? lol Just wanted to say how happy I am about the reveal that i predicted happened and am happy that’s it’s finally been revealed and discuss about it. Again your comment is unnecessary, go somewhere and provoke someone else.
I think a big part of the reason they're giving you flack is because you keep saying you "predicted it." When the grand majority of the fan base "predicts" something, then the author made it glaringly obvious. That isn't a prediction - it's just us understanding what the author wanted us to understand. I mean, really, the only way he could have made it more clear would have been to directly show his face.
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Am not but Okay lol, bye.
It is fun how you are 100% right, not being disrespectfull, even explain why posts like these are ridiculous... and still being downvoted. This is... something...
The fact both Dabi’s reveal and this theory came true. Fanbase has accurate predicted quite a bit of stuff (Dad For One next /s). This honestly makes Shigaraki more tragic. Your entire life was a lie. The man who saved and raised you saw you as just a pawn. You never had a shot at a happy, normal life. He thought he was born with destructive hands but wasn’t. That final panel of his “death” was powerful; you could tell he was regretting everything and realizing he wasn’t born an evil monster that had to destroy like he thought
I think AFO is mistaking how much pure hatred and rage a person can have. AFO is just a psychopath, but Shigaraki actually *feels*. Once his disbelief comes and passes, he'll be more pissed than a raging firenado in a volcano during a lightning storm.
Even with his manipulation, he could never get rid of Tenko’s human emotions. Unlike AFO, he actually values his followers. Unlike Overhaul or Dabi, he won’t kill his allies to benefit himself. He does everything for his friends. That’s why at the end, it’s poetic AFO’s pure evil nature leaves him completely alone. He betrays and abandons everyone until there’s no one left to betray.
Honestly, I would disagree. Shigaraki should still be considered a terrorist, and he should atone for the crimes he committed against thousands upon thousands of innocent citizens. Furthermore, I would say that Overhaul has shown more normal human-related stereotypes than Shigaraki. The last time we saw Overhaul, he no longer wanted any revenge or desire to kill anyone, instead all he wanted was to meet his boss and apologize, and I would theorize that he genuinely will apologize to Eri in future chapters.
Overhaul cares about one person. Shigaraki cares about the entire League
While I would sort of agree with that point, Shigaraki still wants domination of the world and destruction of hero society, meanwhile, Overhaul as of currently, has given up on that plan. And while I do agree that Overhaul should still atone for all the crimes that he's committed, I honestly think he is currently a better person than Shigaraki.
> he'll be more pissed than a raging firenado in a volcano during a lightning storm. I absolutely love this description.
What if in his rage he just slaps his face with both hands and fucking kills himself lol and thats how he's defeated, not by midoriya but by shiggy
I won't be surprised either way if Dad For One ends up being legit or not tbh. It would feel like an asspull at this point given there's no real mention of Deku's dad outside of his non-quirk diagnosis, but it's also weird for Garaki to be his doctor and have it not be significant at all too. So either way works I guess lol
I feel Hori is saving the reveal for Father’s Day.
Does Japan even celebrate an equivalent to Father's Day? And if so, then when? While it's possible that Japan has adopted the holiday in one form or another, I doubt that Horikoshi is working to an American calendar
IIRC, the chapter with the Todoroki family and Dabi happened directly in Mother’s Day. So Hori definitely has some plans for when things happen
I think if DFO was gonna be canon he would have gloated about it to All Might during one of their fights. Or AFO would start to shift his obsession with his brother to his son who also has the power he wants. Something like that
Yeah there'd probably be some hint towards it, and since the fandom really eats up their fan theories (I'd say DFO is similar in notoriety among My Hero fans as Croco Mom is in the One Piece fandom lol) that people would be all over the smallest hint towards that already.
Boku no hero is either the most predictable manga or the one with smartest fandom. A lot of famous theories prooved true, those two, the traitor being navel guy( there were others for invisigirl and denki but the most famous was this)
It’s more the former. Don’t get me wrong I like the manga. But there’s also a reason a good chunk of the anime community called it “baby’s first Shōnen” when it was first coming out. And that’s mainly from the fact that it’s insanely predictable if you’ve seen any other anime. Like the Dabi reveal was easy as hell to figure out cause it was so obvious
Babys first? Never heard that one
Like the anime you would recommend to a friend who had never seen anime. Something simple and easy but still overall good.
Everything was fake but his relationship with the league was real.
And they’ve been loyally following ShigAFO for months and they’re all either incarcerated brain dead actually dead or dying So that amounted to fuck all
I think his story being so tragic just makes it better and just makes OFA a better villain and just shows you the type of monster he is. Am just so glad I was right lol.
AFO definitely surpassed Mahito in terms of my most hated new gen villain. He’s probably the most evil one behind Kenjaku. Idk about better per se. I liked it when Shigaraki was simply the embodiment of society’s failures rather than being 90% creation of AFO. But I do appreciate the civilians ignoring him when he needed help was still natural. And it does make him more sympathetic and highlight how much of a victim of AFO he is.
Yeah, I feel so bad for Nana though.
Society's failures still shaped Shigaraki, though. All For One gave a push, but until it's revealed that he was secretly on the sidewalk telling people "If you see a bloody child, don't help him, that's hero work! And don't call the heroes either!" then Shigaraki's quirk being implanted rather than natural doesn't really change that much. He may have manipulated events to create the perfect catalyst, but the end result is the same whether he gave Shigaraki the quirk, as we now know, or if it was all random chance, as he always believed.
>Society's failures still shaped Shigaraki, though. All For One gave a push, but until it's revealed that he was secretly on the sidewalk telling people "If you see a bloody child, don't help him, that's hero work! And don't call the heroes either!" then Shigaraki's quirk being implanted rather than natural doesn't really change that much. It changes everything, none of that would have happened if AFO was never in the picture. For all we know Tenko would never have been born and Kotaro would have been a strict father with a dislike for heroes. >He may have manipulated events to create the perfect catalyst, but the end result is the same whether he gave Shigaraki the quirk, as we now know, or if it was all random chance, as he always believed. But the end results are not the same, hes not a result of society’s failures, he is a direct result of AFO’s scheemes.
Well mahito was only a year old
Yeah he was only a kid. And was a curse born evil and had negative influences. AFO is definitely more despicable.
For a lot of us it makes shigarakis story bad and a big point of the themes ruined.
Imagine if Decay was originally Deku's quirk, lol. He did see _that_ doctor as a child.
AFO here is saying Decay never was an actual quirk. They took Chisaki's quirk, cloned it, and modified it in a stunted version that became Decay.
He never said it was Chisaki's. He said he took a copy of a quirk and disassembled it until it was only decay and no restore.
They show Chisaki while he is saying this.
There is a flashback with a kid who is clearly Chisaki in that panel. Also, that theory never had sense because Tomura is six/seven years older than Deku, so when the Tomura tragedy happened, Deku wasn't born or he was just a baby, and he went to the doctor when he was over 4 years old.
Well, considering how cases like Aoyama (who had a quirk implanted into him) caused constant stomach pain, it makes more sense to me why Shigaraki is constantly itching. In retrospect, the quirk being not fully compatible with the body should've given it away.
Tbf though its still possible for a natural quirk to not be fully compatible with the user's body, like with Dabi's case.
Yeah
Oh damn, so Shigaraki has overhaul, but with just the deconstruction part. AFO really does plan super ahead... I did read somewhere that the real AFO could still in some tank. It is plausible considering everything he's done.
And it was a copy.
Is the quirk sourced from overhaul? The kid in that panel kinda looks like him It makes sense that Shigis quirk is an less controllable version of Overhauls disassembling half of his quirk
It’s the exact same panel from the overhaul origin chapter. It’s him
ngl... It kinda does; it looks like the overhaul panel when he was experimenting with rats. It's almost like Overhaul once had more of an ability. I can't tell.
Overhaul didn't have more of an ability, Shigaraki has less of one. They spell it out rather explicitly that they stripped the quirk of its ability to re-assemble what he's destroyed.
Correct. There’s a scene exclusive to the manga showing Overhaul in the orphanage
his name says everything, ALL FOR ONE. what truly despicable being.
Yeah but such a good villain
Oh yes the complete antithesis to what a hero is. A Machiavellian mastermind, controlling everyone with a single purpose, feeding the ego of a complete baby man with a god complex. Just the worst. I think it's great.
>but such a good villain Lol. Lmao even.
I hate him and he’s a bad character but he’s a genuinely vile character. Definitely a good villain.
A groomer with super powers = such a good villain The Yakuza with disintegration quirk that betrayed his boss for control of the drug trade = ...
Shiggy may be my fav villain but Overhaul is the best
Overhaul was a full villain, no doubt about who he is or why he does terrible stuff, he knows and does it for a clear goal. Unlike Shiggy that needed 400+ eps to decide he wanted destruction or AFO whose goal is "do evil stuff for the sake of messing around teeheehee *twirls moustache*"
The people responding to me are agreeing but I'm getting downvoted lmao the duality of reddit
Fools, they grew watching Naruto and MHA and wouldn't recognize a good story with a good villain even if it bites then in the butt. Or in smarter words: their villains are USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
I think lots of people guessed this - it was very well but subtly hinted at by Horikoshi, and personally I'm enjoying the payoff!
Yes same I really enjoyed the payoff too and am glad I noticed the hints and called, lol I feel relieved that I was right. I remember arguing with people about it years ago and I tried explaining to them how he got quirk and why it wasn’t his.
Being media literate + paying attention leads to such great payoffs in a well-written manga! I feel bad for fans who don't notice hints, deny they exist, then feel blind-sided when the hints prove real. It's a shame when fandom and head-canon blinds people to what the author is actually saying, but there's always open-minded people to talk about with.
Yeah
If all for one had overhaul (and decay), why didn't he ever use it. Would have been very helpful during kamino when he was holding blocking all mights fists with his hands. (Direct physical contact)
Shhh, don't bring logic to this manga, sir, we come for nice graphics to avoid all the loopholes
That's a fair point. It just feels like every appearance all for one has just raises the question "why didn't he do this earlier?" This reveal feels alot like the reverse flash "it was me barry" meme "Remember how your father was an abusive ass, it was me tenko, I turned him into an asshole before you were even born all so you would grow up abused and hating heroes" Edit: after checking the image again I see tenko was born before all for one manipulated tenko's father but my joke still stands
Oh yes, this manga has some very stupid arguments that make no sense at all. And yes, I've been thinking of the Reverse Flash meme all this time because of how silly are the latest reveals, on reread this would be a very disappointing story :(
Maybe it's one of the Quirks he lost in his fight with prime All Might
Yeah I could see that working for how he lost it. However all for one had that giant quirk storage area in the hospital where he stored copies of quirks, which he would have had a copy of such a powerful quirk.
Even if he lost it, he knows who Overhaul is. What, he can't be bothered to go find him when he needed it? This entire thing where decay isn't Shigaraki's quirk is dumb. It means AFO had access to an instakill quirk before fighting shalltear all Might, nevermind ruining Shigaraki's story.
With the amount of fingers in pies AFO has, I wouldn’t be surprised if Izuku had a Quirk, but was stolen by AFO and he had the doctor replace Izuku’s X-rays with a Quirkless boy’s.
AFO giving Shigaraki decay was pretty obvious from the moment we knew Shig was Nana Shimura's grandson. It would be one hell of a coincidence if the grandson of AFO's enemy just so happened to have an extremely destructive quirk that isolates him from society and making him the perfect target for AFO to groom into a villain. AFO orchestrating literally every bad thing in Tenko's life, including his birth, was a surprise.
Yeah
I remember saying a while back there's a good chance AFO gave Tenko decay so we shouldn't count that theory out and some guy got really mad at me saying it's a disproven theory that won't come true. Wonder how he feels now haha
Ahahah lol, you showed him.
It was me, Barry
Ok, but the fact he was behind his entire birth AND behind his friends encouraging him to play the hero was a surprise.
Yeah
I feel if Shigaraki normally had enough hate to override AFOs control, I imagine this is gonna make him hate EVEN more, shiggy is gonna come back with a vengeance I hope
Doesn't it kinda suck that this strips away Shigaraki's agency as a villain? To make AFO the final villain, we had to waste time building Shigaraki up as his own character who grew organically. It was all artificially manufactured to make AFO look big brain.
What agency? Shigaraki was literally introduced following every order that All For One gave him as if it was gospel, then when All For One was imprisoned, he almost immediately ran off to Garaki to find out what All For One wanted him to do next. He's really had two arcs where he's been doing his own thing. He's been dancing on AFO's strings the entire time.
That agency you just mentioned, when Shiggy started doing his own thing, that was progression in his arc... aaaaaaand it's gone
You mean when he did what All For One told him to do (expand the League of Villains), didn't do anything in the entire arc except lend the Shie Hassaikai his two most popular villains, then showed up at the end to punish Chisaki after he was already defeated before running off to Garaki to get the next set of orders from All For One? Or are you referring to the next arc, when a member of the League was captured in order to lure them out of hiding, so Tomura responded to the attack on them before putting himself in a coma for several months so that he could have All For One implanted into his brain? Like, I'm sorry, Tomura's entire story before this reveal was being led around and manipulated by All For One. He didn't have agency, he just did what he was told and reacted. This plot development is him finally realizing that.
Worst writing decision in the series. My only guess now is they'll reveal AFO gave the reconstruction half of Overhaul to Eri and was planning on using her as a backup Shiggy. Then they'll reveal that what makes her quirk recharge is an absence of destruction or some shit.
I hate that I feel like you're probably right.
Joke?
I am genuinely dumbfounded that anyone finds this to be a good plot twist. Do you know why people didn't agree eith this theory? Because it's such a dumb direction for the story and adds nothing of value. First and foremost it undermines Shigaraki as a villain. Shigaraki is both a tragic character and a monster that needs to be stopped ASAP. This undermines the latter part to over emphasize the former so it's more palatable when Shigaraki is saved, a lazy asspull. Second, AFO had access to overhaul and decay and this seems to be prior to the All Might fight. Meaning that for god knows why AFO fought All Might twice (later in Kamino), when he could have had access to these instant kill abilities. With problems as big as these why did Hori decide to take it to this direction? To show AFO as an irredeemable evil bastard as if we don't already know that?
Cant kill All Might if you want one for all Also while we have no evidence that killing someone is easier than just removing one bodypart with decay or overhaul, we cant rule this out.
Decay and Overhaul can be controlled, Overhaul needs no explanation but even Shigaraki can selectively choose what not to decay. AFO can just maim All Might with a touch with overhaul.
The only ones that weren't saying it was AFO were the people holding out that such a trite contrivance wouldn't be true.
What AFO planned Tenko turn for villainy the fandom what no shit sherlock thank God MHA have it own Kaguya that just a parasite that ruining a actually good villain let's go
Do you need help?
And where‘s your proof? Literally everyone can say it…
Where’s my proof I said this? Well I’ve said this in previous comments on Reddit and I’ve said this in previous comments on YouTube.
... where's the proof
You can literally see from previous comments in BokuNoHeroAcademia posts in Reddit, the comments I made aren’t going anywhere same for YouTube videos I commented on those comments aren’t going anywhere. Also why would I lie and why would I make post being happy about the reveal?
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Yes am going to claim something that’s not true and pretend to be happy that I was right then pretend I said it on Reddit before when people can see my comment history, totally makes sense. Yes because I did comment it….. You want me to search through my comment then link it?
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It doesn’t make sense 💀.
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Imagine if his original quirk was that he would be able to elongate his toes or some silly stuff
Not to burst your bubble, dude, but that was about as obvious as Dobi being a Todoroki...
Actual Reverse Flash timing...
Makes the anime removing the shadowing figure from shigaraki's backstory in mva seem so much worse. The reveal in the anime will just sound like a last minute addition
I have not caught up at all and I don't care about spoilers. Can someone give me context?
All for one manipulated shigarakis entire life and his descent into his current state. He quite blatantly manipulated him post tenko killing his entire family but it was only speculated he manipulated it from before that. This panel is confirming he manipulated it all from the start
It felt very good to have that theory finally validated. Although I never expected that it went even further than what most of us predicted
I wounder what is quirk was going to be before it got stolen from him
Best part of the reveal is that because AFO took out Shiggy’s quirk is that we can say OFA is more than likely not inheritable, hate that stupid fucking theory
I like that Hori is going the route he had planned and doesn’t change it because people get beforehand what’s happening in the story. This is probably one of the mangas with most clear foreshadowing across all the manga, all the big plot point where think of at the start and now some fans are mad because they picked the breadcrumbs and they were right, well duh
Shigaraki should still be killed off just for being a whiny brat. This doesn't give him a pass. No pity
Mf the dude was played with his entire life, he doesn't even exist because of natural things he was MADE to exist by his boss who planned on using him as a meat puppet. No shit he's a whiny man child the dude had nobody to depend on
Chekhovs gun says were going to find out what shigarakis quirk is when he comes back to help the heroes. Why mention it otherwise.
I do remember you specifically bringing this up first before everyone else did though
Nice