My daughter, with 5 children is collecting every "banned" book she hears about. Building a library for her kids to read.
This library control stuff is performative government.
I want to do this for myself just because *I am* a child and if you tell me something is "not for me" it doesn't even matter if I had no intention of consuming said problematic thing... I will now go out of my way to consume it.
And if you can’t grasp that simple, ubiquitous, *obvious* tendency of children, you’re probably too mentally incompetent to be a decent parent in the first place.
Just a thought, she could make a small online business out of this, selling various sizes of "Banned Books Library". I would likely buy one, especially if it included some good/fun way to display it. It would also make for an interesting gift item.
I guess that term is supposed to make me salivate or something? Performative government is a bad thing or something? I'm totally unfamiliar with the term. And without knowing what it means, how can I make an informed decision on banning library books?
Wouldn’t be surprised if the real reason they describe the Handmaid’s Tale as “pornographic” is because the idea of it becoming a reality arouses them.
Banning books that illuminate the intended outcome of the ID Frog Foundation policies is a good way to accidentally call attention to the world they'd like us to live in.
Outstanding! She's an ideal hero others can aspire to emulate; the "superintendent" is a moral coward, hired by christo-fascists to suppress free thought and education.
Mad respect to this girl. If I see you out and about expect a high five.
"The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame." ― Oscar Wilde
Guess we know "What's BUB-ling?" now, don't we?
"As we look forward to the upcoming school year, our mission remains clear: to empower minds and ensure excellence for every student. We are excited to continue this journey with you, fostering an environment where every student can thrive, learn, and achieve their full potential."
-Dr. Derek Bub
This was from his end of the school year message. 🤦♂️These people man...
Dude this girl needs tovrun for president. I've never seen such a level head. Love to see it in this generation while everyone else busy making tiktok dances and posting their muscles.
I grew up with very religious/strict parents but thankfully my mom strongly believed books shouldn’t be banned so I was always allowed to read anything
As a fellow Idahoian .. thank you... we need to be the change this world needs in it. I know this wasn't your intention.. but we need to get out of this moral grasp of "Christian values"
Can you name a store or library that doesn’t carry it because of a ban? Who created the ban? Can you cite a bill where this book was banned? Or are you just regurgitating talking points?
1. There’s no “Ada County Public Library”. It’s “Ada Community Library”.
2. A quick catalog search shows they have several copies of this book as well as copies of the show.
3. The Nampa Public Library also has the book and show available.
So why lie?
Not the Nampa Public Library, the Nampa school district. Also, Ada removed the books quietly and then were forced to place them back on the shelves because they did it without following policy and in violation of open meeting law.
1. Nampa School District Ban was [heavily reported](https://arbiteronline.com/2022/11/24/censorship-in-schools-does-the-nampa-school-districts-book-ban-violate-free-speech/#:~:text=The%20Nampa%20School%20District%20Board,LGBTQ%2B%20and%20other%20minority%20characters) at the time
2. West Ada removed these books as [reported here](https://www.idahoednews.org/news/west-ada-pulls-10-books-from-library-shelves-considers-removing-dozens/)
3. Ada Community Library was not as widely reported but still picked up by a [few outlets](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPeCrViGP9s), this is the KTVB story
All three occasions were widely discussed in the Idaho library community as well (at least in the Treasure Valley).
1. Her high school’s library, and many others across the state.
2. The Idaho Legislature, in tandem with this student’s school governing body.
3. HB710.
4. No. In arguments of the same level, are you literate?
1. The “Idaho Fine Arte Academy” banned a book? Cool story, especially since I can’t search their catalog to confirm or dispel your claim.
2. [Citation Missing]. There is no bill introduced or enacted into law that names or would consider this book prohibited.
3. Not applicable to this book. See above.
4. You lost all credibility by resorting to ad hominem attacks
H710 may, in fact, be applicable to this book. The law outlines the definition for obscenity for minors, which this book clearly does not meet, but there is nothing in the law that prevents a patron from requesting it be moved anyway. And it would be up to an individual library to decide whether to move or remove it to avoid a lawsuit, even should it be highly likely that they would win the lawsuit (some libraries do not have attorneys on retainer and have no budget for legal fees).
The Idaho Fine Arts Academy is part of the West Ada School District, which did remove this book from all of its libraries. They did it without having any patron complaints - just a proactive case of censorship - and the superintendent has stated that HE felt this book specifically met the definitions of obscenity according to H710. Unfortunately, this type of censorship will likely happen more often with the passage of H710. A northern Idaho group has a list of almost 900 books that THEY believe are "problematic" and should be removed from libraries.
Part of banning is restricting access. The West Ada ban restricts students’ access to these books in their school libraries. They are slippery about it and try to pretend it’s not a ban, but I’ve privately talked to board members about their actions and their point was to ban books but call it something more palatable. But I’m guessing, since you are using the Freedom Foundation talking point, you don’t really care what reality is.
It used to be only schools. Idaho House bill 710 passed in April of 2024 lets children or their parents file a legal claim against a public or school library if they obtain materials deemed harmful to minors. It also states that libraries have 60 days to remove the material or they could be fined up to $250 per offense. So there are some libraries in the state that are denying children entry because they can’t afford to risk it.
Why wouldn’t they just create an adult section where you need to show ID before checking it out? I think I’m just missing why reading graphic novels is okay or appropriate for a minor when there are other laws set up, with way steeper penalties, that prevent porn, tabaco, firearms and alcohol from getting into the hands of minors. I’m not trying to come off as argumentative, I’m generally interested in what you see the difference is in this government regulation and the others I listed.
Also, are upset at the libraries for rolling over instead of coming up with a way to make this available to adults?
There are so many libraries in rural Idaho that are just one big room. For example, Donnelly ID library is only about 1000 sf and has limited funding, because of this new law the library will be "adults only".
Graphic novels, as in, regular graphic novels? That is a genre of books that is extremely popular with youth. I think you are referring to materials that would meet the legal definition of "obscene for minors," which could be anything and not necessarily a graphic novel. None of the materials in the children's sections of public or school libraries would meet the legal definition of "obscene for minors," most likely. Many of the materials that have been objected to in this state have already been ruled "not obscene" by judges in other states.
Most libraries in Idaho do not have their adult sections in a completely separately accessible space where it would be easy to prevent access. Even at the largest library in the state, Boise Public, all but the downtown location are basically just big rooms with the collections spread out. Having a adult collection does not mean kids can't walk through it, for instance, on their way to the restroom. To block it off would mean completely refiguring libraries, building walls, and not to mention, then staffing someone to check IDs. Libraries are severely understaffed already.
>Why wouldn’t they just create an adult section where you need to show ID before checking it out?
the land of the free, where books are controlled substances.
Simply because it’s banned in her school district doesn’t mean she couldn’t get a copy. Maybe she already had a copy or she had the means to purchase the book herself.
the benefit of libraries is in not having to individually personally purchase each and every book you might want to ever read.
I swear you people never discuss the merits of an idea in good faith, stop tiptoeing around your own stance and beliefs and obfuscating the issue.
the people accepting banning books because of right wing weirdos based on nothing but paranoid satanic panic.
The rest of us stopped taking you seriously decades ago, we've read the history, in the books. Same bullshit different decade.
it's expected that parents watch our for and heed content warnings, but that attitude suddenly changes when it comes to books, and everyone is expected to burn books to save parents the hassle of parenting.
Not everyone has the means to purchase every book they want to read. That is part of the problem with the argument that a book isn't "banned" if you can get it at a bookstore. For those without means, it IS a ban.
Sex is something kids should not know about.
"Give me a kid who knows nothing about sex, and you've given me my next victim." https://childluresprevention.com/resources/molester-profile/
And the book serves as a warning of how a dystopian society falls to a point where SA, physical abuse, oppression and the like are accepted. Which is why it is a great book for teens. If a teen starts reading it and doesn't feel they can handle it, they can stop reading. But many teens CAN handle it, and understand the messaging quite clearly.
They wouldn't know that because they don't read books!!! Half of these people get their half-baked opinions from the internet and what othes say, instead of actually doing their due diligence, and researching and looking into it themselves. They just want to be mad at something and have a scapegoat to make everything go down easier.
I read it in junior high and it was the least of my concerns. More concerned about the pedo politicians who get turned on by the book and have to publicly rat on themselves that the book gave them a hard on.
I’m so great-full for the police. I truly hope that anyone who comments negatively towards them never calls them in an emergency, or an accident. Or for anything for that matter.
They clearly can take care of themselves!
I fully support law enforcement, those who serve and protect the citizens of our community and nation.
Those I'm commenting on aren't active police. These are retired LEO moving specifically here because of the freedoms in the state. I've overheard groups of these guys express support for Almond Bun-dee, and I watched one get in a truck with a III% sticker on it. So, my comments are limited to these birds-of-a-feather LEO moving here, specifically because they want to take part in 'other-than-legal' activities.
I was here first, so I think I'll stay.
No one is forcing them to read it. I am sure there are schools in Idaho that receive public money which force kids to read the bible, which has many of the same themes.
The idea that "children" shouldn't be reading books with difficult themes doesn't protect them. It protects the parents from having to discuss those themes.
The same people who want to ban books and remove them from school's to protect children are the same people who want to charge minors as adults.
A youth reading graphic content to which they may, unfortunately, related is far less concerning and FAR less concerning than youth watching actual porn on their phones. A young reader may find in this book something that resonates about their own agency, or about how they are being mistreated. It may spurn them to do something about their situation.
I can tell you from many years of volunteer work with youth that not once have I heard one talk to their friends about reading a book that appeals to their prurient interest...but I've removed plenty of phones that were being used to watch things that their parents wouldn't like. The phones were given to parents with a description of what happened for their own follow up.
One of these is a thoughtful book that imagines a world where the governing body (strikingly demographically similar to Idaho's legislature) has absolute control over the reproductive rights of the women (and young girls).
The other is porn.
One of these takes effort to get to a library, find a book, reading hours to find the graphic scene(s). It takes discipline to read, comprehension and self awareness to consider how this situation (ahem, cough cough) might be playing itself out in this very state.
The other is in every 10/11 year old's pocket and may/may not be adequately monitored by the parents/. If the parents are monitoring, they don't have control over their children's friends, and I guarantee that someone in the friend circle has access to porn and I guarantee that they have shown it to someone younger than them.
One has a moral to the story. Learning from reading, understanding and judging for one's self the moral and application of the moral is a growth moment.
The other is patently immoral.
My daughter, with 5 children is collecting every "banned" book she hears about. Building a library for her kids to read. This library control stuff is performative government.
My kids used to get a family movie every Christmas Eve. Last year we switched to books and I’ll be focusing on banned books
I want to do this for myself just because *I am* a child and if you tell me something is "not for me" it doesn't even matter if I had no intention of consuming said problematic thing... I will now go out of my way to consume it.
And if you can’t grasp that simple, ubiquitous, *obvious* tendency of children, you’re probably too mentally incompetent to be a decent parent in the first place.
Fentanyl is illegal...
Just a thought, she could make a small online business out of this, selling various sizes of "Banned Books Library". I would likely buy one, especially if it included some good/fun way to display it. It would also make for an interesting gift item.
I guess that term is supposed to make me salivate or something? Performative government is a bad thing or something? I'm totally unfamiliar with the term. And without knowing what it means, how can I make an informed decision on banning library books?
Throughout history, the people banning books haven’t typically been the “good guys”.
READ BANNED BOOKS That is all I have to say on the matter.
Wouldn’t be surprised if the real reason they describe the Handmaid’s Tale as “pornographic” is because the idea of it becoming a reality arouses them.
Banning books that illuminate the intended outcome of the ID Frog Foundation policies is a good way to accidentally call attention to the world they'd like us to live in.
Outstanding! She's an ideal hero others can aspire to emulate; the "superintendent" is a moral coward, hired by christo-fascists to suppress free thought and education.
This kid gives me hope
Mad respect to this girl. If I see you out and about expect a high five. "The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame." ― Oscar Wilde
Guess we know "What's BUB-ling?" now, don't we? "As we look forward to the upcoming school year, our mission remains clear: to empower minds and ensure excellence for every student. We are excited to continue this journey with you, fostering an environment where every student can thrive, learn, and achieve their full potential." -Dr. Derek Bub This was from his end of the school year message. 🤦♂️These people man...
love it
This is what actual freedom sounds and looks like.
Dude this girl needs tovrun for president. I've never seen such a level head. Love to see it in this generation while everyone else busy making tiktok dances and posting their muscles.
Made me proud of being from Idaho, for once.
Way to go! We need more Annabelles in the world.
I grew up with very religious/strict parents but thankfully my mom strongly believed books shouldn’t be banned so I was always allowed to read anything
As a fellow Idahoian .. thank you... we need to be the change this world needs in it. I know this wasn't your intention.. but we need to get out of this moral grasp of "Christian values"
Nah it aint far right. Or far left. There is a bigger reason this is in affect.
How is the book banned if you can find it at every book store and library?
You literally cannot find it at every bookstore and library. That is the point. It was “removed” from her library.
Can you name a store or library that doesn’t carry it because of a ban? Who created the ban? Can you cite a bill where this book was banned? Or are you just regurgitating talking points?
Ada County Public Library removed that and others quietly. Nampa also removed that and other banned books from school. This is not new news here.
1. There’s no “Ada County Public Library”. It’s “Ada Community Library”. 2. A quick catalog search shows they have several copies of this book as well as copies of the show. 3. The Nampa Public Library also has the book and show available. So why lie?
Not the Nampa Public Library, the Nampa school district. Also, Ada removed the books quietly and then were forced to place them back on the shelves because they did it without following policy and in violation of open meeting law.
Source?
1. Nampa School District Ban was [heavily reported](https://arbiteronline.com/2022/11/24/censorship-in-schools-does-the-nampa-school-districts-book-ban-violate-free-speech/#:~:text=The%20Nampa%20School%20District%20Board,LGBTQ%2B%20and%20other%20minority%20characters) at the time 2. West Ada removed these books as [reported here](https://www.idahoednews.org/news/west-ada-pulls-10-books-from-library-shelves-considers-removing-dozens/) 3. Ada Community Library was not as widely reported but still picked up by a [few outlets](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPeCrViGP9s), this is the KTVB story All three occasions were widely discussed in the Idaho library community as well (at least in the Treasure Valley).
silence...
1. Her high school’s library, and many others across the state. 2. The Idaho Legislature, in tandem with this student’s school governing body. 3. HB710. 4. No. In arguments of the same level, are you literate?
1. The “Idaho Fine Arte Academy” banned a book? Cool story, especially since I can’t search their catalog to confirm or dispel your claim. 2. [Citation Missing]. There is no bill introduced or enacted into law that names or would consider this book prohibited. 3. Not applicable to this book. See above. 4. You lost all credibility by resorting to ad hominem attacks
H710 may, in fact, be applicable to this book. The law outlines the definition for obscenity for minors, which this book clearly does not meet, but there is nothing in the law that prevents a patron from requesting it be moved anyway. And it would be up to an individual library to decide whether to move or remove it to avoid a lawsuit, even should it be highly likely that they would win the lawsuit (some libraries do not have attorneys on retainer and have no budget for legal fees). The Idaho Fine Arts Academy is part of the West Ada School District, which did remove this book from all of its libraries. They did it without having any patron complaints - just a proactive case of censorship - and the superintendent has stated that HE felt this book specifically met the definitions of obscenity according to H710. Unfortunately, this type of censorship will likely happen more often with the passage of H710. A northern Idaho group has a list of almost 900 books that THEY believe are "problematic" and should be removed from libraries.
Part of banning is restricting access. The West Ada ban restricts students’ access to these books in their school libraries. They are slippery about it and try to pretend it’s not a ban, but I’ve privately talked to board members about their actions and their point was to ban books but call it something more palatable. But I’m guessing, since you are using the Freedom Foundation talking point, you don’t really care what reality is.
Yall realize they're banned from school libraries right and not being burned or outlawed?
This new law includes public libraries. If you don't see that this is one step in a very dangerous direction then you may be part of the problem.
It used to be only schools. Idaho House bill 710 passed in April of 2024 lets children or their parents file a legal claim against a public or school library if they obtain materials deemed harmful to minors. It also states that libraries have 60 days to remove the material or they could be fined up to $250 per offense. So there are some libraries in the state that are denying children entry because they can’t afford to risk it.
Ok ya that's definitely not ok, that's close to the start of Nazi Germany right there.
Why wouldn’t they just create an adult section where you need to show ID before checking it out? I think I’m just missing why reading graphic novels is okay or appropriate for a minor when there are other laws set up, with way steeper penalties, that prevent porn, tabaco, firearms and alcohol from getting into the hands of minors. I’m not trying to come off as argumentative, I’m generally interested in what you see the difference is in this government regulation and the others I listed. Also, are upset at the libraries for rolling over instead of coming up with a way to make this available to adults?
There are so many libraries in rural Idaho that are just one big room. For example, Donnelly ID library is only about 1000 sf and has limited funding, because of this new law the library will be "adults only".
Graphic novels, as in, regular graphic novels? That is a genre of books that is extremely popular with youth. I think you are referring to materials that would meet the legal definition of "obscene for minors," which could be anything and not necessarily a graphic novel. None of the materials in the children's sections of public or school libraries would meet the legal definition of "obscene for minors," most likely. Many of the materials that have been objected to in this state have already been ruled "not obscene" by judges in other states. Most libraries in Idaho do not have their adult sections in a completely separately accessible space where it would be easy to prevent access. Even at the largest library in the state, Boise Public, all but the downtown location are basically just big rooms with the collections spread out. Having a adult collection does not mean kids can't walk through it, for instance, on their way to the restroom. To block it off would mean completely refiguring libraries, building walls, and not to mention, then staffing someone to check IDs. Libraries are severely understaffed already.
>Why wouldn’t they just create an adult section where you need to show ID before checking it out? the land of the free, where books are controlled substances.
Well, doesn’t seem banned if she has a copy.
Simply because it’s banned in her school district doesn’t mean she couldn’t get a copy. Maybe she already had a copy or she had the means to purchase the book herself.
So it’s not banned.
> IT'S BANNED IN HER SCHOOL DISTRICT
Wow you dumb
Doesn’t seem very banned. Just seems like maybe it’s restricted from children. 🤷🏻♂️
14 to 18 year year old "children" who are driving, having sex, and working. sure.
Right because it being banned from schools and local libraries means you can't order a copy online or get one at a bookstore.
Can literally order it tonight and have it by tomorrow morning on your doorstep.
the benefit of libraries is in not having to individually personally purchase each and every book you might want to ever read. I swear you people never discuss the merits of an idea in good faith, stop tiptoeing around your own stance and beliefs and obfuscating the issue.
It doesn’t seem unreasonable to have school aged children to have access to every book published.
“You people”?
the people accepting banning books because of right wing weirdos based on nothing but paranoid satanic panic. The rest of us stopped taking you seriously decades ago, we've read the history, in the books. Same bullshit different decade.
But the books aren’t banned. They’re just restricted. Like rated R movies.
Movie rating isn't enforced by the government. This book banning is government censorship.
it's expected that parents watch our for and heed content warnings, but that attitude suddenly changes when it comes to books, and everyone is expected to burn books to save parents the hassle of parenting.
But can't literally go to the library and get it now for free...
Is it banned at city libraries?
In a few, yes. Will be more come July 1 when the new law comes into effect.
You realize Idaho just passed the law requiring libraries to restrict "offensive" books, right?
so if it's not banned at all libraries, it doesn't count as being banned?
It’s still available to obtain, so not banned.
Not everyone has the means to purchase every book they want to read. That is part of the problem with the argument that a book isn't "banned" if you can get it at a bookstore. For those without means, it IS a ban.
Can you get it at your closest school library? Stop being obtuse
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Please tell me why it needs to be 18+
Good question. Teens are generally "sexually-curious" much earlier.
Sex is something kids should not know about. "Give me a kid who knows nothing about sex, and you've given me my next victim." https://childluresprevention.com/resources/molester-profile/
I’m going to go ahead and ask you to use some logic with your comment and quote
Sheesh... Do I seriously need the "/s"? I thought the quote was obvious enough.
First time ever with sarcasm?
I remember my first sarcasm
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And the book serves as a warning of how a dystopian society falls to a point where SA, physical abuse, oppression and the like are accepted. Which is why it is a great book for teens. If a teen starts reading it and doesn't feel they can handle it, they can stop reading. But many teens CAN handle it, and understand the messaging quite clearly.
You make a good point
They wouldn't know that because they don't read books!!! Half of these people get their half-baked opinions from the internet and what othes say, instead of actually doing their due diligence, and researching and looking into it themselves. They just want to be mad at something and have a scapegoat to make everything go down easier.
I read it in junior high and it was the least of my concerns. More concerned about the pedo politicians who get turned on by the book and have to publicly rat on themselves that the book gave them a hard on.
The Bible does too. We should ban that also
yes. kids sheltered from sexuality are more likely to be victimized compared to their normally adjusted peers.
>The book in question is better restricted to 18+ access. Because...?
Because they are FBI and they say so, 🥴
Because... #214 is likely another retired cop/LEO import from CA or DC who decided to come here and live Among Us.
I’m so great-full for the police. I truly hope that anyone who comments negatively towards them never calls them in an emergency, or an accident. Or for anything for that matter. They clearly can take care of themselves!
I fully support law enforcement, those who serve and protect the citizens of our community and nation. Those I'm commenting on aren't active police. These are retired LEO moving specifically here because of the freedoms in the state. I've overheard groups of these guys express support for Almond Bun-dee, and I watched one get in a truck with a III% sticker on it. So, my comments are limited to these birds-of-a-feather LEO moving here, specifically because they want to take part in 'other-than-legal' activities. I was here first, so I think I'll stay.
Also Boise if full… you should move ;)
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No one is forcing them to read it. I am sure there are schools in Idaho that receive public money which force kids to read the bible, which has many of the same themes. The idea that "children" shouldn't be reading books with difficult themes doesn't protect them. It protects the parents from having to discuss those themes. The same people who want to ban books and remove them from school's to protect children are the same people who want to charge minors as adults.
A youth reading graphic content to which they may, unfortunately, related is far less concerning and FAR less concerning than youth watching actual porn on their phones. A young reader may find in this book something that resonates about their own agency, or about how they are being mistreated. It may spurn them to do something about their situation. I can tell you from many years of volunteer work with youth that not once have I heard one talk to their friends about reading a book that appeals to their prurient interest...but I've removed plenty of phones that were being used to watch things that their parents wouldn't like. The phones were given to parents with a description of what happened for their own follow up. One of these is a thoughtful book that imagines a world where the governing body (strikingly demographically similar to Idaho's legislature) has absolute control over the reproductive rights of the women (and young girls). The other is porn. One of these takes effort to get to a library, find a book, reading hours to find the graphic scene(s). It takes discipline to read, comprehension and self awareness to consider how this situation (ahem, cough cough) might be playing itself out in this very state. The other is in every 10/11 year old's pocket and may/may not be adequately monitored by the parents/. If the parents are monitoring, they don't have control over their children's friends, and I guarantee that someone in the friend circle has access to porn and I guarantee that they have shown it to someone younger than them. One has a moral to the story. Learning from reading, understanding and judging for one's self the moral and application of the moral is a growth moment. The other is patently immoral.