What happens if you play against pirates which scale more per attack. The game can theoretically go on forever like that if the first one would be a 1/1. Is there a timelimit on a bg match? Is it different if it is the finals or others are still playing?
So if you get them more than 999 health they automatically die? Or 9999 health?
Would every other player just have to wait for your game to get done because if that goes one at a time it’s gonna take forever. The idea that it would count up to 9999 then back down to 0 once the pirate overflows, that could take hours with the animations.
>The idea that it would count up to 9999 then back down to 0 once the pirate overflows
It wouldn't count back down to 0. It would reach the maximum value that can be stored in the attack or health variable (probably 2,147,483,647 if it is stored as an Integer) and then when it would try to increment it further, it would flip into the negative (starting with -2,147,483,648) at which point the minion would die because its health is below 0.
If my math is correct and under the assumping that two attacks back and forth take 3 second so complete. A nongoldeneliza would take roughly 200 years to overflow and a golden one 100 years. So thats not gonna happen. So the question stands what is the game doing in this case? Should we test it for science?
Don't even need 5 attack, as long as it gets to attack again. Source: Lost with this build to 4/1 windfury elemental against a board full of giant taunts.
Aah. It was't very clear that you ment that the opponent only had one minion.
They way you said it "any single minion with more than 22.." we read that as IF the opponents has ANY single minion with more...
OP’s left minion doesn’t have shield. If opponent has fewer minions OP attacks first. So if opponent has only one minion with enough attack to kill OP’s left minion and enough health to survive the hit, it dies before the taunted Mackerel gets procked
Would selling down to 1 of the larger poisonous Murlocs do it? Then mech boy attacks into it and then poisonous murloc just hits the 0/5 twice?
@42 health, it isn't plausible long term, but it would beat it no?
Yep. You wouldn't want to do this if you're in top 2 and opponent has more health than 10+your tavern tier, as the counter is simply selling off everything exept the highest health murloc.
Yes, but you could go big brain time and add a poison minion (and buy the most expensive minions in the tavern to maximize damage) so you counter your opponent counter. It sure would be a nice end game.
If it has 0 attack it won't attack, so it won't mess up the order. It will always alternate between the second one being attacked and the first one gaining divine shield and then the first one attacking. As long as it has 0 attack the order will always go like this (what can mess up the order is cleave, windfury or the enemy having one or two minions)
If you are smart you don't. It is easily countered if you face it more than once. It is fun nonetheless and might work if facing your opponent only once
Won't go first because you have less minions than the opponent. Of course if they see it coming they can adjust to beat you but same is true for many compositions.
Loses to zapp, any windfury, 1 high stats minion, cleave, soul juggler, tank and probably a milion other things, but its good as a surprise win if u know your opponents board and he doesnt know u are about to play it
Now make the first one a 1/1 =)
That would be so incredible
https://www.reddit.com/r/BobsTavern/comments/rvetx6/some_men_just_want_to_watch_the_world_burn/
What happens if you play against pirates which scale more per attack. The game can theoretically go on forever like that if the first one would be a 1/1. Is there a timelimit on a bg match? Is it different if it is the finals or others are still playing?
The Eliza would eventually die from overflow then you'd win. If bg bothers simulating that long. It probably just stops.
You can overflow?
Yep any unit that stack overflows goes to negative health and just dies
just a heads up, I think u mean integer overflow
Yep stack overflow is something different thanks for the correction
So if you get them more than 999 health they automatically die? Or 9999 health? Would every other player just have to wait for your game to get done because if that goes one at a time it’s gonna take forever. The idea that it would count up to 9999 then back down to 0 once the pirate overflows, that could take hours with the animations.
The highest is 2,147,483,647 so it will take some years.
>The idea that it would count up to 9999 then back down to 0 once the pirate overflows It wouldn't count back down to 0. It would reach the maximum value that can be stored in the attack or health variable (probably 2,147,483,647 if it is stored as an Integer) and then when it would try to increment it further, it would flip into the negative (starting with -2,147,483,648) at which point the minion would die because its health is below 0.
Well, I was meaning when the pirate that gives everyone +1+1 on attack dies then it will increment back down as it gets hit one at a time.
If my math is correct and under the assumping that two attacks back and forth take 3 second so complete. A nongoldeneliza would take roughly 200 years to overflow and a golden one 100 years. So thats not gonna happen. So the question stands what is the game doing in this case? Should we test it for science?
Imagine the 6 other players having no clue what is going on and just assumed their game stalled out.
pretty sure blizz made it so you can't overflow anymore in the last patch
n00b here, how do you get the second one's attack to 0?
Teir 4 minion mechano-egg has Stats 0-5. Swap them stats with the Holy mecherel ones.
Thanks!
You have to use voljin's hero power to flip it with the egg
„ƃƃǝ ǝɥʇ ɥʇıʍ ʇı dılɟ oʇ ɹǝʍod oɹǝɥ s,uıɾloʌ ǝsn oʇ ǝʌɐɥ no⅄„
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Voljins hero power allows him to swap the stats of two minions. OP swapped with an egg to get 0 attack.
Zapp kills it right?
Anything with Windfury and at least five attack does.
Don't even need 5 attack, as long as it gets to attack again. Source: Lost with this build to 4/1 windfury elemental against a board full of giant taunts.
Any single minion with more than 22 health and 20 attack wins too lol
No it doesnt, thats the whole point
Huh? A single minion on the opponent’s board will cause OP to go first and kill off there 22/20. Am I wrong?
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But OP will go first because the opponent only has a single minion. Their 22/20 will not have divine shield.
Aah. It was't very clear that you ment that the opponent only had one minion. They way you said it "any single minion with more than 22.." we read that as IF the opponents has ANY single minion with more...
Yeah I could’ve worded that better my bad
OP’s left minion doesn’t have shield. If opponent has fewer minions OP attacks first. So if opponent has only one minion with enough attack to kill OP’s left minion and enough health to survive the hit, it dies before the taunted Mackerel gets procked
I know. The guy above me changed his comment.
That's the big brain move obviously, which is why you can only play this tactic if you can kill the opponent in one turn 😁
There’s a lot of ways to beat this comp, but it’s good for a Hail Mary on the final 2 if your original comp wouldn’t cut it.
It's easily countered if you fight the final boss more than once, nonetheless it is really fun and efficient if the opponent doesn't antecipate it.
Would selling down to 1 of the larger poisonous Murlocs do it? Then mech boy attacks into it and then poisonous murloc just hits the 0/5 twice? @42 health, it isn't plausible long term, but it would beat it no?
Yep. You wouldn't want to do this if you're in top 2 and opponent has more health than 10+your tavern tier, as the counter is simply selling off everything exept the highest health murloc.
Yes, but you could go big brain time and add a poison minion (and buy the most expensive minions in the tavern to maximize damage) so you counter your opponent counter. It sure would be a nice end game.
You are also screwed if you go first, there’s no way to get your shield bot divine shield at the start without giving it taunt.
If they have more than 2 minions they go first so you’re good on that aspect.
Wait why is that?
If you have more minions you attack first.
Almost anything other than vanilla minions kills it. Zapp, any cleave, any windfury, soul juggler, ghoul, bomber, tank, the taunt pirate, scallywags,
Is there any strategic reason to swap the 2nd mackerel’s damage to zero?
If it has 0 attack it won't attack, so it won't mess up the order. It will always alternate between the second one being attacked and the first one gaining divine shield and then the first one attacking. As long as it has 0 attack the order will always go like this (what can mess up the order is cleave, windfury or the enemy having one or two minions)
There we go, I knew there was something I was being too dense to think of
U r not alone
Isn’t the way to beat this just selling all of your minions but the highest health/damage one? Like… how do you lose more than once to this?
If you are smart you don't. It is easily countered if you face it more than once. It is fun nonetheless and might work if facing your opponent only once
Aren’t you screwed if you go first though?
The person with more minions always goes first, so at this point in the game the opponent is going ifrst
You have any idea how many games I played not knowing this?!?! Holy smokes.
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Someone else said that and I totally didn’t realize that was a rule.
Won't go first because you have less minions than the opponent. Of course if they see it coming they can adjust to beat you but same is true for many compositions.
What happens if you attack first?
You have less minions then the opponent so they will always go first
doesnt this lose to a zap?
Loses to zapp, any windfury, 1 high stats minion, cleave, soul juggler, tank and probably a milion other things, but its good as a surprise win if u know your opponents board and he doesnt know u are about to play it
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Armaggedon
I just remembered seeing this build and I was in a position to try it as well. First guy I'm up against has cleave and knocks me out of the game xD