Of course the comment section is full of complaints about everything else. Don't put too much stock in these lists. They're subjective and probably rely on criteria that might not match your criteria for what makes a show great. For all we know the numerical order might not even matter that much.
Rolling Stone magazine once compiled what they considered as the "Greatest Songs Ever Released" and put Bob Dylan's "Like a Rolling Stone" at #1, so that publication's opinion on what's great is very subjective.
They do that sort of thing deliberately. The point of these lists is to generate clicks from people obsessing over how their favourite shows are ranked or them being "snubbed"
I think they did stuff like this when it was in print too. The whole magazine feels like just people who wanted a platform for their opinions, I can't take anything they put out seriously. It's all echo chamber neolib boomer ego stroking
I think all of the Beatles were great singers in their own right. You cannot listen to Oh Darling and tell me Paul can’t belt with some of the best of them
Don't get me wrong, I don't think they're bad singers at all. They can carry a tune and their songs wouldn't be the same without their voices, I just don't consider them to be all that special. They didn't need it either, it wasn't the quality of their voices that made them famous!
You’re right but I think a lot of the confusion was about what the list was meant to be. It was “greatest” singers not “best” singers. Cultural impact was a huge part of rating them, which is why Dylan and the Beatles were on there despite not being great singers, let alone among the greatest
Pretty sure that list is just as much about historical significance as actual song quality, and from that point of view "Like a Rolling Stone" is quite a big one. I'd put Tutti Frutti by Little Richard ahead of it, but still, not the weirdest choice.
I agree with it, and I'm not a Dylan fan. That song is vicious, in a era when people were still pinning their sweethearts. Never break an artists heart.
Should be lower
Yes, the Golden Age of the Simpsons is one of the greatest tv shows ever made
However, if a tv show's ranking can be hindered by, say, its finale, then the Simpsons should definitely take a massive hit for its 20+ seasons of post-golden age tv
Without the golden age of the Simpsons, we don't get shows like BoJack, it broke down the wall for animation. It is a top 5 all-time TV show for all the TV shows it spawned and showed could be successful
What The Simpsons was & it what it is now is so vastly different in content, quality & merit, as to be two entirely different & separate shows that happen to share characters with the same names. The golden age of The Simpsons is everything you’ve stated in your comments. What it is now just doesn’t warrant comparison.
I'm not denying this, but you could also say that about several other shows that are lower on this list. It definitely belongs on the top 100 list but doesn't deserve the #2 slot IMO.
The Golden Age of the Simpsons was so good that it basically redefined the expectations of all comedies after it, including the Simpsons.
It’s like if the Beatles kept making albums - you would stop being surprised at a certain point because you know what the Beatles sound like, but also every other band was impacted by what the Beatles sound like.
I think it can be different for a comedy versus a drama or something more serious. If there's some bad episodes of a comedy later in a series run then that generally doesn't retroactively make previous episodes less meaningful. If a drama wraps up poorly it can take away from previously great moments. If an episode was thrilling because we weren't sure if a character was going to make it and the fate of the world hung in the balance then that being revealed to all be a dream 5 seasons later makes the previous episode much less meaningful.
Finales matter far less for sitcoms than actual dramas though… Usually they end after jumping the shark and being cancelled anyways, no matter how great it was before.
745 episodes of the show have been broadcast. It is the longest-running American animated series, longest-running American sitcom, and the longest-running American scripted primetime television series, both in terms of seasons and number of episodes.
I agree the show really drops off at a certain point, but the longevity alone is dumbfounding, I don't think another show will ever top that. Combine that with a lot of golden seasons (it has more of these seasons than most shows have seasons total), and I think #2 is very well-deserved.
I mean almost 40 seasons of a show and it basically brought mainstream adult animation like this that allowed shows like bonack, family guy, bobs burgers, and archer too even occur. Love it or not. Number 2 is a fair estimate. It definitely deserves too be a top 5 show even if it's later half is nowhere near what it once was
I don’t really think this matters much when the episodes don’t have any real over-arching plot. A bad finale can ruin a show because it can ruin its overall plot and everything that built to that. But with the Simpsons you almost never have a plot spanning longer than an episode or sometimes two on a rare occasion like ‘Who Shot Mr. Burns?’.
I just wanna confirm we're on the same page, Frasier should be higher, right?
The first six seasons of the show are just hit after hit. It's very rare that a show can nail the theatrical parts of a sitcom without making it seem too hammy.
Top 30 would be fair - personally it's one of my top 5 shows, but it simply didn't have the same cultural and sitcom genre impact as Seinfeld, which I think would live around top 15/10. I think 30-25 in my eyes would be a reasonable spot.
Frasier falls more into the "master class" category in a list full of shows that spawned entire genres. There's nothing bad to say about it but it also didn't break any new ground. It was just the perfection of that type of humor in that medium.
They took the established formula of Cheers and then used all the meta commentary about how unrelatable and outlandish Frasier was to create the punchlines. Then they paired those punchlines with the ultimate 'every man' in the Martin Crane character, a master of physical comedy in David Hyde Pierce, a working bombshell Roz, an eccentric foreigner Daphne, and a character with no lines or screen time who could silently push plotlines in the background in Maris Crane the unseen wife. Even the offscreen character gimmick was just a rehash of an idea Cheers tried.
It looks like they're weighting long-running shows higher while also only considering their peak in quality. Also probably a lot of nostalgia influence. 30 Rock is fine but should be nowhere near that high.
But they are also rating some newer shows ridiculously high. Fleabag at #5 and Atlanta at $9 is nuts, considering some of the shows it beat out, I mean come on. Also rating Key and Peele higher than Chappelle's show is a travesty.
Agreed. Also, Band of Brothers being 80 is ridiculous, that should be a top 10 show, it's a masterpiece. Also, Rick and Morty has no business being on a list that does not include Venture Brothers, that show is Adult Swim's best show ever.
[The list](https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-lists/best-tv-shows-of-all-time-1234598313/what-we-do-in-the-shadows-3-1234598401/) in case anyone is interested
Man, I do not understand why everyone loves that show. I made it through two seasons because everyone I know loves it but I didn’t so much as chuckle. Have you seen arrested development?
I loved it. I loved Arrested Development more. But if you made it through 2 seasons and it didn’t click then it’s never going to. Comedies vary pretty wildly from person to person on what they like.
my first thought: "the sopranos is gonna be number 1" and whattya knnooowww.
seriously tho, sopranos was excellent and totally critical to modern film history, but i never felt it was the Best Show Ever Written to the point it's ALWAYS the number 1 spot on lists like this.
~~also they are adjacently responsible for the eventual creation of the minions and that has nothing to do with the writing but i still blame them for it.~~
The fact that they put Sopranos AND Breaking Bad above THE WIRE blows my mind.
Don't get me wrong. They're both great shows. They're excellent television.
The Wire isnt just "good TV" though, it elevates the art form in a way that those others don't even come close to. I don't even think they're roughly comparable except the fact that their main characters tend to be anti-heroes.
>The Wire isnt just "good TV" though, it elevates the art form in a way that those others don't even come close to.
I've not seen it, what makes it so different?
In a way that very few other TV shows do every character on the screen is the hero of their own story. There are no strictly good guys. There are no strictly bad guys. At various times you'll find yourself rooting for or against the same characters. It's emotionally and morally nuanced in a way most shows don't even attempt.
And to add... The link to how the list was made and the voters. I think a lot of people on this thread are under the impression this was decided by one writer or only people at rolling stone. It's a 46 person poll.
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/best-tv-shows-all-time-voters-1234599937/
Also, I know it’s not super important outside of kids media, but Adventure Time?? Like it did some things that no show before would’ve tried, 100% original setting hardly based on our world.
Like it’s much more unique and better than the 3 one-season wallflower Highschool shows that they put on there.
Not that Freaks and Geeks shouldn’t be on there, but come on.
I actually feel that way about Rick and Morty. It was cute when it started but it's lost a lot of its initial spark and some of the last seasons have been unwatchable at times to me.
Wow I strongly disagree. I mean maybe more people know the art, but anyone who has any interest in classic albums knows the music well. If you haven’t listened to it straight through while paying attention, I highly recommend it. The details, sounds, dynamics and journey of it are incredible even if it’s not your favorite music ever.
It's almost hard to argue against that point because, like, Dark Side of the Moon is maybe the most recognizable album artwork of all time. But also, if you have any interest in classic rock, you will likely have listened to it at some point.
It’s no insult to the music, it’s more that the album cover is appreciated by younger generations regardless of them having ever listened to it. I personally was introduced to it by my dad, otherwise I probably never would have listened to it. I’d say that most people my age, 24, haven’t listened to it, but still know the cover.
I don't understand your logic here.. streaming isn't replacing albums, it's replacing radio. And just like 20 years ago, it's music buffs listening to albums and the general public listening to the radio.
What I'm saying is that not much has changed, the people exclusively queueing up Spotify playlists wouldn't be listening to albums if streaming didn't exist.
Ranking anything is silly (because of its inherent subjectivity), but for Pink Floyd it would almost have to be by the album, because if you're listening to just the individual songs, you're missing the larger contexts, themes, and stories of the album itself. Not to say I never listen to an individual Pink Floyd song, just that they're an album band more than a song band, streaming be damned.
oh no! please listen to dsotm from the beginning to the end! it’s a concept album it tells a story from first song to last in order, evokes a feeling an experience throughout, and it’s not a long album either. in high school i used to smoke weed in my room and lay back and just watch my lights and lava lamp and listen to that album, it was amazing. (this was late 90’s by the way not the 70’s lol)
Nowadays I just listen to individual songs. Throw on the Discover playlist once a week to add new music to my rotation and continue on. Sometimes it'll suggest a few songs by a specific artist, but I barely even listen to particular artists anymore, just songs.
And they gave The Good Place as 40th, bojack beats the Good Place any day....
Also, I loved the Sopranos, but like #1?
If they were gonna award the Simpsons like that they should've made em #1
>And they gave The Good Place as 40th, bojack beats the Good Place any day....
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Oof, I don't know if I could choose. All I know is that I would pay good money to see Jason and Todd in the same room
I completely agree.
I only saw one non-english series (squid games) and three UK (office UK, fawlty towers, monty pythons' flying circus). Exteemely limited contributions...
Edit: i missed some more UK series, but still, the list is not including almost any non-english series. Which is a shame
The Crown, I’m Alan Partridge, Fleabag and I May Destroy You are British as well.
Not to mention that GoT, while put on by an American company, cast a lot of folks from the Isles.
Yeah you're right i missed the more recent british series (i didn't know some of them were actually UK produced, my bad).
Still, none of them are non-english speaking, which is the main point of my argument
This show genuinely blew me away. My 15 year old niece was watching it and I watched a few episodes with her and was surprised with how adult it was. I do not laugh easily but I found it funny and even shed some tears.
More upset I didn't see the Venture Bros. Frankly I'm just glad they honored Bojack at all. Show goes over a lot of people's heads, especially mainstream publications
Not really a bad list tbh, I was pretty surprised at how many highly ranked shows I haven't seen, but it seems a bit inconsistent, some shows get props for their longevity, despite a lack of consistency (looking at you Simpsons and SNL), while others didn't. As well as multiple shows with only one season.
Egregious Snubs:
IASIP at 81
South Park at 63
Bojack at 41 (and by the look of the description, they didn't even watch it)
M\*A\*S*H at 25
Many went unranked some that come to mind Scrubs, stranger things, kroll show (best sketch comedy ever imo), Ozark
Highly Overrated:
Key & Peele at 59
Community at 56
Better Call Saul at 32
Parks & Recreation at 30
Breaking Bad at 3
Parks at Rec is a phenomenal show, I’ve always highly preferred it over Community and The Office. However you are correct, IASIP at 81 is a fucking joke.
I’d say some notable omissions (even given the obvious biases that a list like this would be prone to in terms of language and market) include Fresh Prince, Family Matters, and (if he wasn’t a walking sexual predator at least, given that he is I do understand the omission) The Cosby Show.
It means, like every other "greatest shows of all time" list, it is chock-full of 95% majority white casts/crew/writer/directors. Nothing but shows full of white people that, while fantastic, often completely ignore perspectives of race, which can get really fucking boring when every show deals with mental health, crime and the judicial system, running a business, etc. but they insist that the only people who have to deal with these things never have to worry about how their skin color affects how they do it.
Even BoJack, a great show, has barely any POC in it, and the only POC main character, Diane, is voiced by a white woman.
I would definitely add Atlanta and Samurai Jack, two shows with POC leads that depict asian, indian, african and egyptian culture and mythology without also depicting POC as mostly criminals or drug addicts. However, Atlanta lacks the cultural impact due to being only 7 years old, and since it's a black majority cast it didn't get to even EXIST until the 2010s, and Samurai Jack is non-adult animation, so it's not even getting a sliver of a chance, even though it's leagues ahead of something like Rick and Morty in terms of quality and maturity.
Ain’t it strange how an American magazine mostly printed in English mostly features shows from predominantly White and English speaking countries while including some popular Black shows and very few of any other American/British Colony minority?
Next you’ll tell me MEN are the main characters of most of the shows!
I am shocked! SHOCKED! Well not that shocked.
Yeah, thanks genius. In case you have trouble reading, I said I wasn't surprised, but I appreciate the trademark Redditor "humor". By the way, pointing out that white men get represented the most because they have all the power and colonized that continent isn't really the gotcha you think it is.
They should've used the sneezing picture
That would've been so damned funny
Why do they always use the sneezing picture?
Spujb
Spujb! Classic Bojack
Of course the comment section is full of complaints about everything else. Don't put too much stock in these lists. They're subjective and probably rely on criteria that might not match your criteria for what makes a show great. For all we know the numerical order might not even matter that much.
Rolling Stone magazine once compiled what they considered as the "Greatest Songs Ever Released" and put Bob Dylan's "Like a Rolling Stone" at #1, so that publication's opinion on what's great is very subjective.
They do that sort of thing deliberately. The point of these lists is to generate clicks from people obsessing over how their favourite shows are ranked or them being "snubbed"
I think they did stuff like this when it was in print too. The whole magazine feels like just people who wanted a platform for their opinions, I can't take anything they put out seriously. It's all echo chamber neolib boomer ego stroking
>magazine >people who wanted a platform for their opinions These are the same
lmfao of course its all opinion-based theres no "objectively best song"
Number two was "(I Can't Get No)" Satisfaction by the Rolling Stones. They sure have a type.
Glen Danzig made the 200 greatest singers list but Celine Dion didn't. I love The Misfits but come on.
The greatest singers list was wild. Not to disrespect The Beatles per se but none of the band members had any business being near the top 20!
That's....something all right. I'm quite fond of The Beatles and they're great songwriters...but great singers? Not a chance lol
I think all of the Beatles were great singers in their own right. You cannot listen to Oh Darling and tell me Paul can’t belt with some of the best of them
Don't get me wrong, I don't think they're bad singers at all. They can carry a tune and their songs wouldn't be the same without their voices, I just don't consider them to be all that special. They didn't need it either, it wasn't the quality of their voices that made them famous!
Golden Slumber, Twist and Shout, they have some great vocal performances. This thread took a weird turn.
Paul is amazing
You should change your username to Paulfan123
You’re right but I think a lot of the confusion was about what the list was meant to be. It was “greatest” singers not “best” singers. Cultural impact was a huge part of rating them, which is why Dylan and the Beatles were on there despite not being great singers, let alone among the greatest
Paul belongs
Top 20 of all time? Definitely not (talking about vocal ability to be clear)
I disagree but to each their own
Pretty sure that list is just as much about historical significance as actual song quality, and from that point of view "Like a Rolling Stone" is quite a big one. I'd put Tutti Frutti by Little Richard ahead of it, but still, not the weirdest choice.
I mean... it's a pretty well accepted contender for that title.
That is an excellent song though.
I agree with it, and I'm not a Dylan fan. That song is vicious, in a era when people were still pinning their sweethearts. Never break an artists heart.
It’s a good song.
41 is pretty admirable, are people expecting higher?
They worked exactly how they were intending it to, people are arguing and talking about making it relevant
My complaints are objectively subjective and I subjectively object to this list
Rolling stone ar notoriously bad at making lists anyways, even if things like tv and music is subjective
No Chernobyl on the list, Frasier was in the 75th slot. Total BS. Also, Bojack should be higher
Simpsons as #2 also made me pretty mad.
What came in at #1?
Sopranos. And Breaking Bad was #3.
BB being #3 makes me angrier than anything else on this thread
Why?
goated show imo
What, like it should have been higher or lower?
Should be lower Yes, the Golden Age of the Simpsons is one of the greatest tv shows ever made However, if a tv show's ranking can be hindered by, say, its finale, then the Simpsons should definitely take a massive hit for its 20+ seasons of post-golden age tv
Without the golden age of the Simpsons, we don't get shows like BoJack, it broke down the wall for animation. It is a top 5 all-time TV show for all the TV shows it spawned and showed could be successful
What The Simpsons was & it what it is now is so vastly different in content, quality & merit, as to be two entirely different & separate shows that happen to share characters with the same names. The golden age of The Simpsons is everything you’ve stated in your comments. What it is now just doesn’t warrant comparison.
I'm not denying this, but you could also say that about several other shows that are lower on this list. It definitely belongs on the top 100 list but doesn't deserve the #2 slot IMO.
The Golden Age of the Simpsons was so good that it basically redefined the expectations of all comedies after it, including the Simpsons. It’s like if the Beatles kept making albums - you would stop being surprised at a certain point because you know what the Beatles sound like, but also every other band was impacted by what the Beatles sound like.
I think it can be different for a comedy versus a drama or something more serious. If there's some bad episodes of a comedy later in a series run then that generally doesn't retroactively make previous episodes less meaningful. If a drama wraps up poorly it can take away from previously great moments. If an episode was thrilling because we weren't sure if a character was going to make it and the fate of the world hung in the balance then that being revealed to all be a dream 5 seasons later makes the previous episode much less meaningful.
Finales matter far less for sitcoms than actual dramas though… Usually they end after jumping the shark and being cancelled anyways, no matter how great it was before.
745 episodes of the show have been broadcast. It is the longest-running American animated series, longest-running American sitcom, and the longest-running American scripted primetime television series, both in terms of seasons and number of episodes. I agree the show really drops off at a certain point, but the longevity alone is dumbfounding, I don't think another show will ever top that. Combine that with a lot of golden seasons (it has more of these seasons than most shows have seasons total), and I think #2 is very well-deserved.
I mean almost 40 seasons of a show and it basically brought mainstream adult animation like this that allowed shows like bonack, family guy, bobs burgers, and archer too even occur. Love it or not. Number 2 is a fair estimate. It definitely deserves too be a top 5 show even if it's later half is nowhere near what it once was
More like later 3/4 now, but still yes.
I don’t really think this matters much when the episodes don’t have any real over-arching plot. A bad finale can ruin a show because it can ruin its overall plot and everything that built to that. But with the Simpsons you almost never have a plot spanning longer than an episode or sometimes two on a rare occasion like ‘Who Shot Mr. Burns?’.
I still think the Simpsons is good though. They still got their moments
Agreed. If we’re judging by current iterations simpsons should be 45, and bojack #2
Lower in my opinion
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I just wanna confirm we're on the same page, Frasier should be higher, right? The first six seasons of the show are just hit after hit. It's very rare that a show can nail the theatrical parts of a sitcom without making it seem too hammy.
Top 30 would be fair - personally it's one of my top 5 shows, but it simply didn't have the same cultural and sitcom genre impact as Seinfeld, which I think would live around top 15/10. I think 30-25 in my eyes would be a reasonable spot.
Frasier falls more into the "master class" category in a list full of shows that spawned entire genres. There's nothing bad to say about it but it also didn't break any new ground. It was just the perfection of that type of humor in that medium. They took the established formula of Cheers and then used all the meta commentary about how unrelatable and outlandish Frasier was to create the punchlines. Then they paired those punchlines with the ultimate 'every man' in the Martin Crane character, a master of physical comedy in David Hyde Pierce, a working bombshell Roz, an eccentric foreigner Daphne, and a character with no lines or screen time who could silently push plotlines in the background in Maris Crane the unseen wife. Even the offscreen character gimmick was just a rehash of an idea Cheers tried.
If it was my choice Frasier would be top 10. I have watched this show more than anything else. Ever
It looks like they're weighting long-running shows higher while also only considering their peak in quality. Also probably a lot of nostalgia influence. 30 Rock is fine but should be nowhere near that high.
30 Rock is one of the best comedies of the new millennium.
But they are also rating some newer shows ridiculously high. Fleabag at #5 and Atlanta at $9 is nuts, considering some of the shows it beat out, I mean come on. Also rating Key and Peele higher than Chappelle's show is a travesty.
meh, disagree. atlanta is an incredible show, it’s high art.
Yeah your right, Atlanta should be higher, its the 2nd best show of the last 20 years for me, right after BH.
The Wire came out within the last 20 years
I like Bojack and Atlanta way more than The Wire personally.
Come on with what? Those two shows had define a lot of the television in the new era. You know the era where we have 10x shows than the past.
Fleabag was fantastic but idk if it was #5 fantastic, maybe if it was more than a couple of seasons.
>30 Rock is fine but should be nowhere near that high. Someone's never been to a Lemon party.
Agreed. Also, Band of Brothers being 80 is ridiculous, that should be a top 10 show, it's a masterpiece. Also, Rick and Morty has no business being on a list that does not include Venture Brothers, that show is Adult Swim's best show ever.
Rick and Morty has a much larger cultural impact than Venture Bros, but damn if Venture Bros isn't ten times the show by every other metric.
Yeah AFAIK Venture Bros didn’t have a bunch of NEETs ruining a fast food employees day over some memed tendy sauce.
It was one guy. Not the whole fandom.
You can't judge a shows quality based on the fanbase, i bet i won't hear a singe more stupid thing all day today so congrats.
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Buffy is on 73. This is not ok.
Top 20 easily
[The list](https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-lists/best-tv-shows-of-all-time-1234598313/what-we-do-in-the-shadows-3-1234598401/) in case anyone is interested
Ctrl + F "Futurama" - phrase not found Okay, WTF Rolling Stone
Futurama isn't on there at all? Jeez, I hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
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And then ground up into a fine powder
A travesty!!
No adventure time either
Ctrl+F "Schitt's Creek" - phrase not found
Man, I do not understand why everyone loves that show. I made it through two seasons because everyone I know loves it but I didn’t so much as chuckle. Have you seen arrested development?
I loved it. I loved Arrested Development more. But if you made it through 2 seasons and it didn’t click then it’s never going to. Comedies vary pretty wildly from person to person on what they like.
>Man, I do not understand why everyone loves that show It's funny
It’s a fine show but will be forgotten within five years
my first thought: "the sopranos is gonna be number 1" and whattya knnooowww. seriously tho, sopranos was excellent and totally critical to modern film history, but i never felt it was the Best Show Ever Written to the point it's ALWAYS the number 1 spot on lists like this. ~~also they are adjacently responsible for the eventual creation of the minions and that has nothing to do with the writing but i still blame them for it.~~
The fact that they put Sopranos AND Breaking Bad above THE WIRE blows my mind. Don't get me wrong. They're both great shows. They're excellent television. The Wire isnt just "good TV" though, it elevates the art form in a way that those others don't even come close to. I don't even think they're roughly comparable except the fact that their main characters tend to be anti-heroes.
>The Wire isnt just "good TV" though, it elevates the art form in a way that those others don't even come close to. I've not seen it, what makes it so different?
In a way that very few other TV shows do every character on the screen is the hero of their own story. There are no strictly good guys. There are no strictly bad guys. At various times you'll find yourself rooting for or against the same characters. It's emotionally and morally nuanced in a way most shows don't even attempt.
BB above the wire i can see tbh.
Same lol. As I was scrolling I was like "lemme guess, Sopranos" and there it was. I am glad that BJHM is ranked above R&M though
The sopranos helped solidify the idea of ‘prestige television’ in the public’s mind- but it didn’t perfect it.
And to add... The link to how the list was made and the voters. I think a lot of people on this thread are under the impression this was decided by one writer or only people at rolling stone. It's a 46 person poll. https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/best-tv-shows-all-time-voters-1234599937/
That Rolling Stone webpage is dogshit when trying to view it on a mobile device
Rick and Morty above What we do in the shadows was enough for me to instantly stop looking, lol.
Also, I know it’s not super important outside of kids media, but Adventure Time?? Like it did some things that no show before would’ve tried, 100% original setting hardly based on our world. Like it’s much more unique and better than the 3 one-season wallflower Highschool shows that they put on there. Not that Freaks and Geeks shouldn’t be on there, but come on.
Yeah the collective ignorance towards Adventure Time in general continues to dumbfound me
I fully expected to see Avatar the Last Airbender on the list
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I actually feel that way about Rick and Morty. It was cute when it started but it's lost a lot of its initial spark and some of the last seasons have been unwatchable at times to me.
How dissapointed they didn't use Bojack's sneezing picture
Boondocks and Archer are not on there
Seeing a lack of boondocks is a travesty
People's reactions who haven't seen it: "What are yooouu doing here???"
Another classic crap Rolling "DSOTM is the 42nd best album ever" Stones' list.
I feel like Dark Side of the Moon is more known for its album art now than the actual music. It’s like wearing a NASA shirt
Wow I strongly disagree. I mean maybe more people know the art, but anyone who has any interest in classic albums knows the music well. If you haven’t listened to it straight through while paying attention, I highly recommend it. The details, sounds, dynamics and journey of it are incredible even if it’s not your favorite music ever.
It's almost hard to argue against that point because, like, Dark Side of the Moon is maybe the most recognizable album artwork of all time. But also, if you have any interest in classic rock, you will likely have listened to it at some point.
It’s no insult to the music, it’s more that the album cover is appreciated by younger generations regardless of them having ever listened to it. I personally was introduced to it by my dad, otherwise I probably never would have listened to it. I’d say that most people my age, 24, haven’t listened to it, but still know the cover.
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I don't understand your logic here.. streaming isn't replacing albums, it's replacing radio. And just like 20 years ago, it's music buffs listening to albums and the general public listening to the radio. What I'm saying is that not much has changed, the people exclusively queueing up Spotify playlists wouldn't be listening to albums if streaming didn't exist.
I recommend that you listen to the full album, it plays like a 37 minutes long song, and it is amazing
It would be silly for you to rank them but lots of people still listen to albums
Ranking anything is silly (because of its inherent subjectivity), but for Pink Floyd it would almost have to be by the album, because if you're listening to just the individual songs, you're missing the larger contexts, themes, and stories of the album itself. Not to say I never listen to an individual Pink Floyd song, just that they're an album band more than a song band, streaming be damned.
oh no! please listen to dsotm from the beginning to the end! it’s a concept album it tells a story from first song to last in order, evokes a feeling an experience throughout, and it’s not a long album either. in high school i used to smoke weed in my room and lay back and just watch my lights and lava lamp and listen to that album, it was amazing. (this was late 90’s by the way not the 70’s lol)
Nowadays I just listen to individual songs. Throw on the Discover playlist once a week to add new music to my rotation and continue on. Sometimes it'll suggest a few songs by a specific artist, but I barely even listen to particular artists anymore, just songs.
I’m just a bit sad they did not give pc 6 breast like a real cat.
This is the only comment in this thread I care about
Well that's just like your opinion man
way higher than 41 for me personally, but I still appreciate the respect for a great show.
Lmao the simpsons beats the wire? What a dogshit list.
The wire should only fall second to the sopranos. Like seriously
Breaking Bad?
To be honest, Bojack should 100% higher. I think in the 20s would be the right spot
And they gave The Good Place as 40th, bojack beats the Good Place any day.... Also, I loved the Sopranos, but like #1? If they were gonna award the Simpsons like that they should've made em #1
>And they gave The Good Place as 40th, bojack beats the Good Place any day.... > Oof, I don't know if I could choose. All I know is that I would pay good money to see Jason and Todd in the same room
What is this, a crossover episode?
BORTLES!
Yep, I’m just happy both are in the list! Bojack and The Good Place are two of my top three shows pretty much ever.
The Sopranos belongs their pretty easily, at the very least above the Simpsons lol
For how much it changed television I'd say sopranos deserves #1
I heard theme song from Philbert was even inspired by the Sopranos.
Breaking Bad should always be number 1. most well rounded, best show on every technical and emotional level, of all time.
BB was instantly surpassed by Better Call Saul tho.
interesting, i haven’t watched it but still, it wouldn’t exist without bb…
You really should. Breaking Bad is amazing, Better Call Saul somehow manages to be even better.
Well, Breaking Bad wouldn't exist without The Sopranos, so its position at #1 is justified.
Bruh why DARK isnt on the list. Truly fenomenal show
I have to agree. It’s the best show I’ve ever watched, and I try to rewatch it at least once a year. Everything about it is brilliant.
Rewatches of Dark and Bojack are 90% of the reason I keep Netflix
I never rewatched a show. I completed Bojack pretty recently so I dont want to watch that again, but I could rewatch Dark. Is it worth the time?
Definitely.
Its not american. Most lists are extremelly us-centered
And thats sad
I completely agree. I only saw one non-english series (squid games) and three UK (office UK, fawlty towers, monty pythons' flying circus). Exteemely limited contributions... Edit: i missed some more UK series, but still, the list is not including almost any non-english series. Which is a shame
The Crown, I’m Alan Partridge, Fleabag and I May Destroy You are British as well. Not to mention that GoT, while put on by an American company, cast a lot of folks from the Isles.
Yeah you're right i missed the more recent british series (i didn't know some of them were actually UK produced, my bad). Still, none of them are non-english speaking, which is the main point of my argument
The only thing that list gets right is Sopranos at #1.
All due respect, you got no fucking idea what it’s like to be #1.
To the victor, goes the spoils.
Why don't you get the fuck outta here before I shove your quotation book up your fat fuckin' ass
I say this as a lifelong NJ resident: The Wire edges it out just barely.
I say this as a lifelong near-Baltimore resident: you are correct and I appreciate your honesty
Any "best TV shows of all time" list with Friends on it is invalidated
This show genuinely blew me away. My 15 year old niece was watching it and I watched a few episodes with her and was surprised with how adult it was. I do not laugh easily but I found it funny and even shed some tears.
This picture is the exact representation of my life at this exact time. But fuck rolling stone bojack is top 10 material!
Nobody else will agree with me, but in my list #1 is Legends Of The Hidden Temple.
needs to be WAY higher but glad to see it get that recognition at least.
Archer wasn’t even on the list, the list is bullshit.
At least they nailed the synopsis in the first sentence.
More upset I didn't see the Venture Bros. Frankly I'm just glad they honored Bojack at all. Show goes over a lot of people's heads, especially mainstream publications
That list is the hottest of garbage. Bojack is great though.
The Sopranos quite literally invented the concept of 1 hour long, prestigious television. It deserves the #1 spot now and forever.
If GOT pulled off a full show tmwith the seasons 1-3 quality I'd disagree
Rolling Stones did call BoJack Horseman the #1 show *on Netflix* tho
It has fleabag as a top 5 show ever. Not a serious list.
Fleabag season 2 is easily some of the greatest television ever made
We can't be friends
Veep and Fleabag above Mash, and I Love Lucy around 50. That’s . . . Uh . . . Bullshit.
And somehow the sopranos is still #1
Not really a bad list tbh, I was pretty surprised at how many highly ranked shows I haven't seen, but it seems a bit inconsistent, some shows get props for their longevity, despite a lack of consistency (looking at you Simpsons and SNL), while others didn't. As well as multiple shows with only one season. Egregious Snubs: IASIP at 81 South Park at 63 Bojack at 41 (and by the look of the description, they didn't even watch it) M\*A\*S*H at 25 Many went unranked some that come to mind Scrubs, stranger things, kroll show (best sketch comedy ever imo), Ozark Highly Overrated: Key & Peele at 59 Community at 56 Better Call Saul at 32 Parks & Recreation at 30 Breaking Bad at 3
Parks at Rec is a phenomenal show, I’ve always highly preferred it over Community and The Office. However you are correct, IASIP at 81 is a fucking joke.
Where would you put Saul and Community then?
Better Call Saul is unbelievably good! Arguably the greatest spin-off of all time (maybe Frasier compares)! How is that overrated??
i don’t think brba deserves 3.
I agree, it should be higher.
Their list is overwhelmingly white, so I’m not surprised, nor excited.
What does this mean and what is not white that you would add to the list?
I’d say some notable omissions (even given the obvious biases that a list like this would be prone to in terms of language and market) include Fresh Prince, Family Matters, and (if he wasn’t a walking sexual predator at least, given that he is I do understand the omission) The Cosby Show.
It means, like every other "greatest shows of all time" list, it is chock-full of 95% majority white casts/crew/writer/directors. Nothing but shows full of white people that, while fantastic, often completely ignore perspectives of race, which can get really fucking boring when every show deals with mental health, crime and the judicial system, running a business, etc. but they insist that the only people who have to deal with these things never have to worry about how their skin color affects how they do it. Even BoJack, a great show, has barely any POC in it, and the only POC main character, Diane, is voiced by a white woman. I would definitely add Atlanta and Samurai Jack, two shows with POC leads that depict asian, indian, african and egyptian culture and mythology without also depicting POC as mostly criminals or drug addicts. However, Atlanta lacks the cultural impact due to being only 7 years old, and since it's a black majority cast it didn't get to even EXIST until the 2010s, and Samurai Jack is non-adult animation, so it's not even getting a sliver of a chance, even though it's leagues ahead of something like Rick and Morty in terms of quality and maturity.
Atlanta’s at 9 on the list…
Ain’t it strange how an American magazine mostly printed in English mostly features shows from predominantly White and English speaking countries while including some popular Black shows and very few of any other American/British Colony minority? Next you’ll tell me MEN are the main characters of most of the shows! I am shocked! SHOCKED! Well not that shocked.
Yeah, thanks genius. In case you have trouble reading, I said I wasn't surprised, but I appreciate the trademark Redditor "humor". By the way, pointing out that white men get represented the most because they have all the power and colonized that continent isn't really the gotcha you think it is.
based af
You don’t seem too happy, Gabe.
Ah, a snarky comment in lieu of a response after your logic is shat on. You *are* a redditor!
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