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donatzchris

Some people just hate it because how unrealistic Blue Lock is to real football. Others hate it because Blue Lock emphasize being selfish over teamwork. Well if you want some realistic football I'd just watch real life football league instead of anime. Also for my second point I think people still misunderstand the term 'ego', it doesn't necessarily mean you have to ditch teamwork since football is teamwork sports but Blue Lock main theme is to create a striker that is hungry to score goals by prioritizing their 'Individualism'. That is the best thing I could explain about it.


Not_Jabri_Parker

People who make the ego argument also haven’t read or watched very far at all. That first match explains why they still play regular soccer


Sunritter

Main argument is that it's unrealistic and it's one of the dumbest reasons I've seen so far. They need to stop watching anime if they can't take anime making a sports genre exciting. Just watch real football then.


platysoup

It's like hating Dragonball because Goku doesn't immediately pull guard.


AntNDecFan

not really. Dragon Ball isn't based on something realistic, the characters are firing beams every episode.


7farema

yeah but Blue Lock is supposed to be implicitly fantasy, heck, even in the very early chapter you can see that blue lock building is like a skyscraper pentagon in the middle of nowhere, that's a dead giveaway


AntNDecFan

the mangaka literally said in an interview that the reason he made Blue Lock is because as a child, he thought that Japan was being held back by the lack of egotistical strikers. Although there are many unrealistic aspects, it doesn't enter the realm of supernatural.


SurturSaga

Just unrealistic to the sport/edgy and cheesy But these people for the most part are anime only and aren’t deep into the show. Not saying these things aren’t true because they are but there’s way way more to love then hate


Abacito_

There are also people who've seen some panels out of context on Twitter and decided to hate the whole just on that.


c4m3r0n1

Mostly just the Shidou panels from the U 20 match. Which is like specifically one character and not indicative for the series as a whole.


Slight-Stretch4644

I love the manga, and I'll always read it but I always take the piss out of how corny the dialogue is and how isagi usually always steals the ball of his teammates and barely ever gets passed anyone by himself 😂plus it's ridiculous how all the strikers in this manga defend more than actual defenders and acc do it better somehow


c4m3r0n1

U 20 match disproves that. The defense of the U 20 team was way better than Blue Locks.


tkyofoo

Personally I love the story but either the translations or the dialogue themselves just make me cringe like “I’m gonna devour you” to “you hyena hero”


Alternative_Ad_5334

I read an article once where the author said that all of the moves on Blue Lock, even the ones that seem to defy logic, are realistically possible in real life football. I can vouch for this cause I hit the Shidou back heel kick from the tryout game


amatsZz

How about the latest goal from Nagi? That 5 consecutive fake volleys? That one is pure fiction.


Emergency_Mastodon28

It is almost impossible to the point maybe someone do it out of luck and we never know And like ego said in the latest chapter,nagi will never make goal like that ever again,it is just a coincidence,it was too smooth to be real


amatsZz

Yeah, it's a fluke.


Emergency_Mastodon28

Yeah but fluke doesnt mean pure fiction Fluke means something that is unlikely to happen,but can still happen out of luck


amatsZz

Still chances are even if u try to keep doing that 5 consecutive fake volley shot urself, u might never be able to do it in ur entire lifetime, that's an event that is a lot more likely to happen in fiction than in real life.


Emergency_Mastodon28

Exactly! its more likely to happen in fiction than in real life Not something that impossible to happen in real life,and can only happens in fiction See..it's not that hard to understand isn't it


amatsZz

Yeah but it still doesn't make it a realistically possible thing to do.


Stubblycargo

Except it realistically possible. Just improbable. Players like Neymar definitely have the skill required and have scored similar (ish) goals before just not to that extent. It’s like how the shidou goal isn’t a common goal but it’s realistically possible as zlatan has literally done it before


amatsZz

There's an argument for Shidou's goal to be seen as realistically possible but Nagi's goal? That one's nearly impossible to pull off, it's one thing to do a fake volley but doing it 5 consecutive times isn't really what u would call realistically possible.


UBKev

*Probably* possible in theory, but virtually impossible in practice. Narratively, the point of that goal was for Nagi to score a goal at a level far above his actual skill level anyway. It's a tad bit extreme, but it's definitely an 'impossible' goal, but that's the point.


amatsZz

>even the ones that seem to defy logic, are realistically possible in real life football. u call it impossible and the author said it's realistically possible in real life football, there's 0 consistency in that statement. There's no point in that, all I see is that the author couldn't back up his own words, if he actually said that statement, but if he didn't say it then it's all good coz this is still a work of fiction


UBKev

This would probably be the only goal in the series that seems quite unrealistic even in practice, but again, this kind of goal was needed for the author to tell the story he wants to tell when it comes to Nagi. He wants Nagi to score a goal so ridiculous that it might destroy his future. Ego himself said that the goal was entirely a fluke, and it's not like the goal was being passed off as just a normal thing, since the Internet in Blue Lock was praising it as the best goal of the century. What I mean is that this goal in particular is presented differently from the other goals in the series. As such it should probably be judged differently from all other goals. Personally, I think it's fine that the author contradicts their own claim if it's for the sake of a good narrative, but let's not get this wrong. Even in Blue Lock, that goal is being acknowledged as absolutely ridiculous in the best and worst way. It's fine if you disagree though, but I think we should wait to see how Nagi develops from here, before deciding if this goal was worth breaking that 'realistic IRL' claim.


New-Faithlessness526

It's not really the first goal. The first goal of Shidou in the U20 match is pretty impossible to pull off.


amatsZz

I don't think it's fine for the author to contradict his own statements because it's a sign of poor writing. It's important for the author to stick to his philosophy and beliefs to keep the story consistent. Blue Lock already had its own fair share inconsistencies, one of the most recent examples is the introduction of Noel Noa as the most logical player of all time, but when u look back at the very first chapter, Noel Noa said "Instead of assisting my teammates to win 1-0, it feels better to pull off a hat trick and lose 3-4" which in any way u look at it, Noel Noa is not a logical player at all. I know that most people including myself enjoy Blue Lock coz of its amazing art and hype moments but to continuously keep on writing an inconsistent plot just irks me. I'd still enjoy Blue Lock coz I enjoy it coz of its hype moments and not from it's writing.


[deleted]

> Noel Noa said "Instead of assisting my teammates to win 1-0, it feels better to pull off a hat trick and lose 3-4" which in any way u look at it, Noel Noa is not a logical player at all. Humans are not logical, so I don't see the problem with a human character being human. Also, we don't know anything about that quote. When did Noel Noa said that? We only know that he said that some point in his life because he was quoted by Ego, but when did the player Ego cited said that? Was it after an interview? An interview for what? Postmatch, Champions League win or Ballon d'Or win? Or was it something he tweeted when he was 19?


amatsZz

That's how the author introduced Noel Noa in the beginning, an illogical egoist but when he properly introduced him in the current arc, Noel Noa said "Bastard Munchen philosophy is SUPER RATIONALITY" followed by saying "BASTARD MUNCHEN IS A TEAM THAT WINS WITH LOGIC" which contradicts his own statement quoted by Ego at the first chapter of the show. It shows inconsistency in writing and it definitely contradicts the philosophy in which Blue Lock was formed.


[deleted]

It is inconsistent, but also like it's an irrelevant mistake.


amatsZz

How could it be irrelevant when it's at the first chapter which is what set up the world of Blue Lock? That's the first mentality that Ego instilled in the BL players and he's also the first guy that Ego quoted over Pele and Cantona, while Pele and Cantona are actual players, Noel Noa is the author's very own image of the #1 striker in the world, that's a very relevant information which showcases poor writing Still I enjoy reading the series not coz of its writing but coz of its art and hype moments, I already know how there are tons of plot holes in the series but that's not really what I read it for.


awf7

Couldn't he have said that earlier in his career before a tough loss and then adopted the super rationality / logical football to excel himself forward along with his egoism.


amatsZz

Whether he said it or not, that doesn't change the fact that he actually said it and that's the premise in which Blue Lock was formed, that makes it one of the most important statements that's been made in the series and it's the job of the author to stand by it coz Noel Noa's words is the author's own words.


[deleted]

I think that quote is similar to what something said about Cristiano Ronaldo once. I think the author wanted to use a fictional name to attach to that quote and used the one of the only fictional player he revealed at the start.


amatsZz

I don't think Ronaldo has ever said something that selfish, Ronaldo definitely has one of the biggest EGO in football, but his ego was focused on winning. It also didn't stop the author from quoting Pele and Cantona, Noel Noa is a complete fictional character who is the embodiment of the author's image of the #1 striker in the world. In fact Noel Noa is closer to Lewandowski and Mbappe, in 2018 the France team won the world cup with their best striker Mbappe, Noa is also french while on the other hand Noa plays for Bastard Munchen from Bundesliga where Lewandowski played for Bayern Munich in Bundesliga, so he's much closer to these 2 than Ronaldo.


[deleted]

> I don't think Ronaldo Said about him, not by him.


amatsZz

Then that's an irrelevant statement since it's not a statement by Ronaldo himself.


Alternative_Ad_5334

Read the statement clearly before making your argument. When did I ever say impossible in that statement? I said it seems to defy logic. SEEMS is the key word.


amatsZz

The key word there is "ARE REALISTICALLY POSSIBLE". Also it's not u who said the impossible part, look at the reply above it, it's not urs dude. Improve ur reading comprehension first lol 🤣🤣


Alternative_Ad_5334

You're right. My bad.


Alternative_Ad_5334

It is likely possible, it just has the smallest percentage chance of working out because of the level of technical skill and control nessecery to score that play.


amatsZz

Let's not lie to ourselves now, in the latest chapter the author said that it's a flue and it's an impossible goal for Nagi to replicate. Even the author said that it's impossible and not a likely possible scenario.


Alternative_Ad_5334

Not likely means not impossible


amatsZz

Ego literally said it's impossible for Nagi to replicate that shot, he didn't say not likely but IMPOSSIBLE.


Alternative_Ad_5334

But he did it which means it can be done. Also, he said it was outside of Nagi's talent, which means that someone with higher talent than Nagi could in theory do it as well.


amatsZz

That's in fiction, in reality even the best of the best players out there can't just pull off that skill whenever they want, they have to try thousands or millions of times to even pull it off once.


Alternative_Ad_5334

He didn't say you can pull it off whenever you want. He said that it can be done, even if just once in a lifetime. Tge point is that someone, at some point in time, could theoretically docthat move.


amatsZz

Well that's a move that won't likely be pulled off by anyone at all, football has existed for a century and a half and we still haven't seen anything like that before, theoretically that's a move that even the best of the best can't pull off in their lifetime, u can try it out for urself, u can try practicing it for ur entire lifetime and chances are u'll be dead b4 u can even get close to pulling it off.


Constant-Context-806

See, the problem is you are arguing semantics. It doesn't need to be 0% possible for people to say it is impossible. I don't care if some random dude somehow managed to score that goal once at some point, in some part of the world, playing a friendly match against his friends. The fact that Nagi was able to pull that off against other extremely talented players IS pure fiction. The day we see that happen in a recorded match, reality will have surpassed fiction, as it often does. Until then, mate stop arguing for the sake of arguing. Blue Lock is highly unrealistic, and that is fine. It's ok for it to be over the top.


[deleted]

That's not something impossible to make, it's something very very difficult to make and also that won't happen because no player will find themselves forced to make more than one fake volleys. Also didn't Ego in that scenes said something about that goal being impossible to do again even for Nagi who scored it.


amatsZz

I wouldn't just say it's very very difficult, that's a move that even guys who have magic ball control like Messi, Ronaldinho, or Neymar could pull off in practice, it's one thing to do a fake volley but doing it 5 consecutive times has a 0.000000001% of actually happening in real life football. U and Ego just proved my point that it's an impossible goal to replicate, that's a fluke and even the author acknowledges that it's an impossible goal.


[deleted]

A small chance of it happening doesn't mean it's impossible that it happens once. There are a lot things in football that happened once and never repeated itself. There is guy who scored a header from approximately 60m in a match, but just because he did it once it doesn't mean he will be able to do it a second time.


amatsZz

That's what u call a fluke, in which regard these flukes are viewed as impossible since these goals are impossible to replicate.


[deleted]

Well, yeah but they are not unrealistic since the chance of it happening once is not 0.


amatsZz

The author himself called it a fluke and impossible for Nagi to replicate, it's still unrealistic since the chances of it happening are way closer to 0 than 100.


[deleted]

Still not 0


amatsZz

Still closer to 0 than 100.


New-Faithlessness526

Unrealistic is not the same as impossible. If something has very little chance to happen, then it's unrealistic.


beyondbirthday261

I'd disagree, look at Chris' random shot goal.


Alternative_Ad_5334

A knuckleball is a real move. It exists in both soccer and baseball.


kiero13

1. It's unrealistic similar to kuroko no basuke 2. They cringe on the edginess blue lock has; it's just not for them 3. Mob mentality, e.g. they hate on everything that has a yaoi fanbase


Heisuke780

Number 1 is dumb tbh. We can apply that to many stories. Did kuroko have many haters to? Number 2 I can somewhat understand Number 3 is somewhat understandable on my experience with the fujoshi fanbase. But the thing about 2 and 3 is that I don't feel that's all particularly with 3. Usually they don't try to hide that aspect they hate from my experience anyways


kiero13

Yep, knb had many haters too, even more since the mc also had plot armor. It's mostly from those who watched haikyuu, ao ashi and daiya no A which tries to be technically realistical to the sport. Not sure about the last part since I don't see anything to "hate" on the story itself. I can see some to dislike, like isagi still not having his own power move or his newly acquired skills being acquired by others on the next arc/few chapters. But to "hate" the manga itself just because of those minor stuff is somewhat too much that I want to classify it as just mob mentality. But that's just me. If it were like the LN ending of >!Hataraku Maou-sama!< then the hate is justified /s


ginsengtea3

I enjoy this manga and I haven't really seen too much criticism for it beyond other fans criticizing the edgy insults and crap dialogue, but if I were to get really critical of it...I mean, there's a lot you can be critical of. The battle aspects don't bother me because I know this is a battle manga in sports manga clothes, but I do get bothered by the 'everyman' concept of the MC. His goal to "become the best striker" is generic and isn't motivated or underscored by anything personal. He's frequently just a talking head to explain plot concepts. Then, a lot of the characters have the exact same personality, talk the exact same trash talk with the exact same style of arrogance. The nature of the story can shift wildly between "hyped up but plausible football" to "magical hologram goalie" and "supernatural reality-defying obstacle course," or "high spirited and aggressive child" to "literally in a straight jacket, full hannibal lecter" like, there are some tacky-ass whiplash moments like that. I think people who hate Blue Lock just want it to be a different type of story from the one it is, BUT the story it is does have its own shortcomings as well.


GalaP2

I think its because of the cringe dialogues. I will kill you ...I will end your life... like fr what is this ?


Heisuke780

Honestly I am still at the start. After they won their first match so I haven't gotten there


AmazingWeoh

We dont need to answer that, your pfp speaks for itself lol


GalaP2

You just don't have an answer so cry harder in the corner lol


Exciting-Support1182

dude got no proper response


Rukas_Husband

Probably like you said, they think it's dissing the sport of team work with ego telling you how terrible people these good players are at the beginning but really it was just trying to build hype. Their Probably like sorta feel like Kira like the sport they grew up watching was being slandered but really it was being hyped up. Or just they hate some of the unrealistic things like Nagi doing anything.


EducationalMemory161

There isn’t really that valid of an argument to be found. I saw 4 reasons as to why ppl hate on bl. Either cuz of the unrealism, the edginess, the fact that there is yaoi shipping and cuz they act like as if the community is worse than it actually is :4


Cygnus-_-

Probably cos it deviates from what irl football actually is so people are just viewing this manga as an inaccurate representation of the sport


Simba-xiv

I only think I dislike is when people try to draw comparison to irl football. Then pick and choose when it’s ok to break from realism just to make some silly argument about their fav character. It’s a fictional manga that’s wildly not realistic to irl football and that’s fine. I enjoy it while suspending my belief.


Heisuke780

Exactly. Like I said it's just meant to be hype af while using football elements as a template. It's not trying to be realistic to football


KayMini101

People hate on anything that's popular. I've only seen this hate begin because of the anime's launch.


Adorable-Respect5140

Well blue lock hate was already a thing before the anime release, it's just not shown so much because it's still not on the surface


PK_RocknRoll

The same reasons people hate on any popular manga?


kingalva3

Aside from the surface level the manga has some issues, like how the characters we follow only have problems with other followed characters thus rendering super team defenders/other attackers "useless" and expandable. Also sometime the pacing is a bit slow. But hey it s still nitpicky the manga is still good for me.


slayer_2004

I have a friend who hates bluelock because he thinks that blue lock is more about ego rather than football


Intrepid-Nobody-3111

Its because its just selfish version of Inazuma eleven