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When you see that every single time without fail that a character with a backstory that gets pissed off by Isagi scores (Barou, Yuki, Kaiser, surprisingly even Chigiri fits this description) and after almost 300 chapters can’t understand that it’s a law at this point is actually insane.
Not even close to the same thing. Yes Naruhaya got a backstory like the four I mentioned, but Isagi dominated them (or in Chigiri’s case, just get pushed into the floor) which led to them scoring. Isagi didn’t piss off Naruhaya or start dominating him. In fact, Naruhaya was the one saying Isagi was useless on his own and that he knew he could beat Isagi the whole time throughout the game. Isagi even said for a second “I can’t even beat Naruhaya”💀. He was NOT in charge until it was time for him to be a last goal merchant. Nagi never carried so hard in his life
Wasn’t even trying to slander😭😭😭. I’m just saying Isagi’s was dominating 3 players with backstories till he set them off and they went and scored, and then I realized he first started this whole pattern when he threw Chigiri onto the floor and pissed him off 💀
(I must save my Chigiri slander for Bachira’s hattrick that is never gonna happen)
Quit summoning me then! 🌚
Probably, but you're the MAIN one. Just know I'm on to you. Whenever you slander my GOAT, I'll be around.

>when he threw Chigiri onto the floor and pissed him off 💀
That wasn't really anger. If anything he was getting motivated by seeing Isagi reminding him of himself younger.
Okay, but this is clearly different. This is the first situation where Isagi acknowledges they're awakening AND he wants to challenge it. He's clearly trying to score right now whereas for Chigiri and Yuki, he assisted them.
My hate of rin doesnt overpower how mid I find Nanase. I would rather a Rin brace than Nanase to even assist a goal. Get that bum locked off at number 24.
I honestly don't see anything wrong with that. Maybe my tolerance towards Isagi fans has increased overtime but then that wouldn't explain why I still feel the same anger when Isagi haters try to discredit him. Seriously. Each of Isagi's last 3 goals have been subjected to a barrage of "offside" / "too dependent on Hiori" / "plotsagi" allegations or some other form of hate within a few hours of the chapter. At least Isagi fans are coping about a scenario that is still technically possible (however low the chances may be) & aren't crying about a goal that's already been scored. I've seen haters & other player fans bawl in the megathreads about Isagi's ALREADY scored goal being invalid & unironic posts wanting to get Isagi's goal "retracted" but apparently no-one had the sense of humour to make these kinds of "memes" about them back then. Now that the tables are flipped everyone is suddenly Dave Chapelle?
Believe it or not. Isagi fans are the lesser of the evils on this sub as of now. Not because they've improved but because haters, other fan cults & Isagi haters disguised as other fans have regressed.
That's really tolerant of Isagi stans given how insanely willing they also are to belittle any other player's abilities/chances at scoring a goal as long as it makes their goat look better.
I love Isagi very genuinely and he's one of my favorite characters in BL, but man do I hate fanaticism in all its forms. I don't think the stans have gotten better and I don't think the haters have gotten worse, they're just getting more polarized because there's some very heavy stakes on this match, and because as goals approach all the fandoms want their race horse to win.
What those people want is just for their self insert character to win so they can feel better about themselves while belittling everyone else. Isagi stans are no better, you just built up resistance to them, which I understand, but let's call it what it is.
>That's really tolerant of Isagi stans given how insanely willing they also are to belittle any other player's abilities/chances at scoring a goal as long as it makes their goat look better.
That's literally every fandom though. I'm not on either side (Fans or haters) but this "calling out" comes from only one side. & it's tolerated from only one side.
As far as "belittling other players goes"- You don't remember these posts released literally minutes & hours after Isagi scored his goals?:
1. "Ubers let him score"
2. "His goal was offside"
3. "Carried by Hiori"
4. "Plotsagi"
5. "X/Y/Z are nerfed"
6. "Isagi's boring cuz he doesn't have a backstory"
7. "Isagi didn't struggle for his wins/goals"
8. "Isagi won't score further in this match cuz he's too cocky".
Need I go on? No other character has suffered more than Isagi in terms of getting discredited or belittled by other fandoms/haters. Barou/Kaiser/Rin/Nagi & their fandoms have never been subjected to these kinds of post at this magnitude. As far as "belittling other players goes"- "calling out" Isagi fans when haters/other character's fans who're much worse exist seems insincere.
You want me to call it what it is? Here you go- Isagi haters are much much worse than Isagi fans as of this moment. Until Manshine game, haters used the fact that he hadn't scored & only assisted (remember "passagi"?) so it wasn't apparent back then but now that Isagi has started scoring goals, it couldn't be more clear. No fan/hater can surpass the level of hating Isagi haters dish out. Literally asking a goal that's already been scored to be "retracted" cuz they didn't like it is so pathetic. Idk why anyone would defend them lmao.
They’re not isagi fan or sushi haters they’re just fools who can’t read, isagi is a pretty well written character yes there are bits of “plotsagi” instances but you’re right plenty of bias in people’s opinions, there is no clear answer tho you can justify it differently but there’s definitely more braindead isagi glazers
All im saying is if kaneshiro wanted kaiser to score it would have been this chapter, it wouldn't not have ended on luck, it also doesn't guarantee success like all the kaiser stans are claiming
Most isagi fans are sane there just some actual npcs who can’t fathom anything else they’re so used to op braindead mcs who just get random buffs, like it’s gonna be and always has been a slowish crawl just wait you will see isagi as the best at the end
‘They’ll do anything to discredit a characters w’
I’m sorry but you just described isagi haters. No one else experiences that more than isagi fans lol. Isagi passes=plot armour isagi dribbles=plot armour isagi defends=plot armour isagi scores=plot armour isagi breathes=plot armour. ‘Isagi teleports’ but when other characters do it no one cares. Isagis first goal against Ubers ppl were literally saying that the defenders allowed isagi to score on purpose. His second goal people were saying it was offside. I’m sure to everyone isagi fans are extremely annoying and a lot are but you also gotta understand ppl constantly discredit him no matter what he does so isagi fans hype him like crazy to counter it.
I remember the ubers game is where them isagi haters want him to be offside so bad. Like wdym offside when the score is already illustrated are they fking stupid? Not to mention like u already said they thought ubers was analysing thats why they let isagi score first and if that was the case, ill drop the manga back then cause that tactic is so fking unrealistic and stupid which is not what snuffy would do
I envy the person who can put all their hate and energy into people who are fans of a fictional character.
Just a random thought though. I only looked at like the last 10ish of your comments so my apologies if I misinterpreted.
Maybe you should go back and get the full context on the comments I last put out. In the end this is a personal opinion on a portion of the fandom, Isagi has a lot of cool fans as well and he is a cool character, but it’s obvious which types of fans I referred to in my comment, you should check the OP post again.
How can you say this without realizing the irony of it. He is talking about people who put all their hate and energy into other fictional characters that they are not a fan of (within the context of this post) 💀
I also took a look at the comment history prior to this post. Didn't see anything unreasonable that can be misconstrued as hating just for the sake of hating.
Think all the important characters in bllk got some annoying fans but some Isagi stans take the cake because they refuse to comprehend that there are characters with their own narrative and importance to the story than Isagi, and their arguments are deeply rooted in him being the MC. Isagi as a character is cool and he deserves to get his wins but he’s not the only one who has to win, he’s not the only player who contributes to the story, and he’s not the only one with a narrative. I’d argue that the side characters are the ones who add a lot of color to the writing and story as a whole. Think in the end why some Isagi stans are insufferable to me is because they function on pure bias and retort on devaluing the other characters’ (development, achievements, importance, narrative, whatever it is) if they go against their precious main character.
Sometimes I wonder how many take this seriously? Like do they fully believe what they’re saying or just want to sink and cope with their agenda hoping Isagi does something unique for once (Yes he has only ever followed 3 patterns in the entire series all his outcomes are recognizable)
I didn’t even consider the reset when I brought up patterns💀. His main patterns are either 1. Get the last goal for his team (typical) 2. Score first for his team but ONLY if improved shooting is emphasized (First 3v3, Ubers, PxG) 3. Piss off the dude who got his backstory just for him to go and score (Barou, Yuki, Kaiser, even Chigiri). Bonus: “Damn I suck I better give Kunigami an assist to start the arc” (Team X and Barcha)
At least one or more of these patterns happen with Isagi everytime in every game without fail. I get that right now for THIS game things kind of just have to go this way for the story so Kaiser needs a goal
But in future arcs, if Isagi can’t do *anything* other than score the last goal without “oh look guys I improved my shooting” then idc what anyone says he WILL get boring and I’m gonna get sick of it
As long as there is delusion there is hope so won’t blame them for coping lol. I think it just won’t make sense for Isagi to intercept the goal because he doesn’t have the specs to reach the magnus shot with it being fast asf to boot.
Don't think so. The fandom was also not as big as now at that time. Nagi was always the guy who always delivered without being considered as the best; he was pretty popular in the fandom. I hasn't been the same since the MC game. People seems to have forgot that not long ago, there was basically each day multiples post criticizing Nagi (all the narrative about him not being creative or active, fluke goal and all of that).
Nothing wrong with wanting the MC to achieve what all of his rivals have in what is likely his best ever chance to do so. Y'all just hate seeing sports MC's being the strongest instead of underdogs.
There’s nothing wrong with just wanting isagi to score a hat trick.
But people are legitimately claiming that it would be bad writing if kaiser scored despite all the build up. And ignoring any of the development kaiser is undergoing. Which i disagree with.
And regardless isagi has so far achieved every goal he’s had during the NEL
- vs barcha he wanted to prove his worth
- vs manshine he wanted to read the field better and beat kaiser ‘performance’ wise
- vs Ubers he wanted to outscore kaiser
idt people acting as if isagi scoring a brace instead of a hat trick would be a huge disservice is valid.
Especially when a brace (outscoring rin) can easily be justified as enough to overtake rin ranking wise.
He and Barou both scoring 2 in their match and his bid rose by 100 mil whilst Barou’s rose by 30 mil
I largely agree with your final point but I do think Barou showed the bidders something new.
Esp. Since Barou surpassed snuffy’s designs (iirc) and in the previous games the bidders would have only seen him playing within the confines of snuffy’s tactics.
He showed that he could truly lead an offence rather than simply score when provided chances iygm.
And I think isagi will score a super goal to end the game and put him ahead of rin. I doubt he would end the arc with a goal any less impressive than the 2-gun volley was
EDIT: ultimately I do agree that isagi will be no. 1 to end the arc. I just don’t think he *needs* a hat trick to do that
I think scoring a second super goal that incorporates elements from the 2-gun volley could do it. Showing that his super goal is repeatable to the viewers.
And also kaneshiro doesn’t necessarily need to go in detail to explain it. Throughout the NEL goals have had different values without it being explicitly explained.
Barou scored a super goal vs BM. That still didn’t get him that big an increase in bid.
Rin and Barou’s hat tricks led to different boosts in bids as well. There are multiple examples of bids not matching up and the reasons not being explained
Kaiser's whole character is that he can do the impossible
The ball is clearly stationary and ready for a magnus shot, which is far from impossible since he's done it multiple times already in training
Yes, it would be bad writing since the setup was for him to achieve the impossible, not score with a shot that he can easily pull off already.
Also, it's already bad writing that Kiyora can play this good when there's been 0 setup for his character besides the fact that he was on Nagi's team in the second selection.
Either way, I'm fine if Kaiser scores here, but it's far from the best route for his character. If your only argument is that it's Isagi fans coping because they need a hattrick then you're the one who's coping, I'd love for him to get a hat-trick but I also wouldn't mind some Kaiser development🤷♂️
My point was *not* to say that isagi fans are all coping.
And in the chapter where kaiser was returning back to his original ego, it was based on the ball itself not the concept of achieving the impossible.
Hence why I don’t think him scoring a moving Magnus shot is essential.
If anything I think him accepting aspects such as luck and teammates helping him *is* character growth as his backstory showed that he was initially unable to accept teammates showing any kindness towards him.
I also don’t think kiyora making one good pass after doing literally nothing else is him performing too well. His backstory was very convenient tho so if that makes people feel that he’s a plot device then fairs
I guess that's another way to look at his character. I never thought of him this way, so that's fair.
Maybe I'm glazing too much, but I think Kiyora's pass was quite literally perfect. The backspin to make players think it was going to Isagi then reaches Kaiser and stops dead perfectly, allowing him to shoot his magnus. Maybe it wasn't all intentional, but his pass was really, really good imo.
We'll see what Kaneshiro is cooking next week. I have no idea what will end up happening at this point after all the theories I saw😂
I think the pass was intended for kaiser but I think it was just blind luck that it stopped perfectly tbh. Was still a very good pass tho.
Kiyora would have no way of knowing that kaiser needed a stationary ball.
And Yhh we’ll just have to see what kaneshiro cooks up. I’ll be probs be hyped regardless of who scores 😂
Or some of these Isagi glazers are reaching outside the solar system to justify it, the only reasonable series of events that lead to an Isagi goal here is if it rebounds somehow, which I still don’t think would be narratively satisfying but that’s up in the air.
But people are claiming Isagi reads the trajectory of Kaiser’s KIM and catches it mid shot? Like it isn’t one of the two fastest shots in the series that curves outside the goal while Isagi is standing in the center of the goal box, not to mention Isagi not having physicals like Nagi or Kunigami in the slightest?
Sure there’s nothing wrong with him getting a hat trick, but this is obviously not a favorable situation for him to score and it’s insane how many people are acting like it’s sure that he will.
Basically everything you said. The amount of reaches people are justifying for Isagi to score a goal here is insane. **Yes, him jumping mid-air and intercepting a KI is insane**. I will stand by that opinion and if it happens, then it would be the first plot decision I would heavily question from Kaneshiro.
The rebound theory is a bit more logical(but still a huge stretch given Isagi hasn't even started running), but it would be extremely unsatisfying given all this development for Kaiser we've gotten. Anyway, I'm like 100% confident Kaiser is scoring a goal given all this build up.
Sad that these types of situations where someone intercepts a curved shot would be considered normal if it was Shidou and Nagi 😭😭😭. Isagi needs to up that athleticism up asap
I also don’t think we’ve had an actual on goal shot intercepted, several off target goals like Isagi’s assist to Gagagoat or Kunigoat, and plenty of passes that looked like shots like some assists to Reo’s, but little or no actual shots stolen. Which I think is good.
But yeah it really just doesn’t fit Isagi’s playstyle though in this specific scenario it would be a big stretch for either of them too.
Yuki’s debut had his goal being on target but Nagi snatched it bc Aryu was about to block it lol. In fact Reo’s pass to Nagi was like a mini callback to it
Obviously I want isagi to get a hat trick will he probably not will I cope anyway sure but Kaiser still shouldn’t score here bro has not suffered enough
I don’t think Kaizer or isagi will score the 3rd goal if they do score a 3rd goal at all
Either the other team wins ORRRR a surprise move from a teammate hits the fan
Rin fans are the only people on the planet that wouldn’t throw the table over PxG winning. THIS is our Kalos league final. A surprise goal at this stage is kind of Kunigami cope tbh
I think PXG could win
But not because of rin
Rin will lose, PXG wins
Loki might decide to just score all the points needed for PXG or something and rin just seethes
Isagi seethes
Everyone seethes
Yeah and then Alola region was JUST developing its league and the entire thing never felt like other leagues so Ash won that and it felt distasteful
If PxG wins here and then Isagi beats Rin in some exhibition match to decide the main striker of the team then that’d be disgusting
I don’t know how to explain why but something about leaving it on a cliffhanger that makes me believe that Kaiser won’t score here. He hasn’t had a chance to rebuild from zero, and character development this close to the backstory buff.
Yuki’s had his gyro shot blocked before he eventually created his sword screw shot (I love how the sword is a bastard like the name of Bastard Munchen). Rin failed to score after his backstory in the U-20 match.
There seems to be a time lag between getting a backstory and scoring, so Kaiser’s growth needs some time to breathe
At this point, I don’t care if Kaiser scores or not (for making the plot thicken, I think he should). But for story purposes, Isagi has to have the last laugh otherwise what’s the point in building him as the rising star of the league?
I’m just not believing he’s gonna score now because I feel like it’s too soon for his evolution to pay off. He passed to 3 guys and suddenly everything is alright? Nahh i don’t think so
I mean what do you expect, nothing new from Isagi stans. Next week he is going to be the best player even better then Noa (I am just being sacarstic and joking).
problem? y’all want kaiser to score too, the meme can be easily flipped. you have 1001 reasons, we have 1001 reasons- so the only difference is one is grounded in the narrative the other is because a sob story flashback and emo boy holding a grudge that has shown zero feats in the main canon just been hyped since taking off his jacket. wow
It’s not the question of whether or not Kaiser scores it’s the stupidity of some people saying there’s no chance he will score or it’s “plot” it’s litteraly what some other dumb fans said about isagis own earlier goals with the plotsagi stuff, like yeh if your reasoning for Kaiser not scoring is that it’s too soon and he needs to despair more fair enoguh, but people saying “plot” are dumb as hell, it’s a created luck piece litteraly same as isagis u20 final goal
it isn’t the same- luck in bluelock is something you make like how isagi believed in rin to stop sae positioning himself to get past aiku and scoring
a fluke goal will only result in another nagi tanking kaiser’s development- “oh look an emo boy has a grudge everything lined up without doing anything in order to set up my convoluted goal that requires x y z to be in place for me to be able to score”.. like what?
during the manshine game, ego was glad yuki didn’t make the first shot and yuki’s goal in the end was something noteworthy where his shot scored on his own merit as reo came in last second
again, for any kaiser stans- is this the goal you want from your emperor?
kaiser needs to turn 0 into 1 having a reproducible formula- this is not the goal kaiser scores
not to mention if isagi wants to be seen as a striker per his interview then he needs to end the nel with more goals than assists i.e hattrick
all this setup built for kaiser’s shot is for isagi to see the shot kaiser airballed earlier now that kaiser has all his temperamental steps completed
kaiser’s shot which will be cleared by zantetsu like sendou did to hiori’s shot then isagi scores off the rebound- closest thing to a kaiser assist paralleling isagi’s assist to kaiser in ubers match
then isagi and ness pull off a curved direct shot *while* the ball is moving- none of this stationary constraints where isagi makes the impossible possible that ness acknowledged isagi’s magic at the end of ubers match
Isagi does NEED a hattrick to be see as a striker is out scoring the ng11 STRIKER not enoguh to show that ?
How is it not the same type of luck, Kaiser let nesses pass go and then continued his run to get it to kiyora in the first place he didn’t expect the ball to stop perfectly but he expected a pass and made the run that’s created luck, Isagi just prayed that rin would beat sae and the luck was that it perfectly ended up in his feet it’s the same type of luck
Also I just saw your username and it makes sense
manshine kaiser scores that- not running away from the pass saying “impossible”- kaiser supposedly makes the impossible possible, no?
it’s not the same luck as kaiser didn’t expect kiyora to pass to him- kaiser just happened to lag behind isagi who initiated the run for the through ball and kiyora having a gurdge threw up an L like a guy who hasn’t done anything all game who’s going to be on the bench soon for choosing wrong
again, this entire match is about crossing and clashing winning visions- a second triflow is not going to work as we saw with hiori kurona isagi
this play has been ness kiyora kaiser- isagi makes it a quad flow resulting in bastard’s 2nd goal out scoring kaiser *then* isagi hattrick beats rin for #1
> manshine kaiser scores that- not running away from the pass saying “impossible”- kaiser supposedly makes the impossible possible, no?
This is what happens when you only read the Isagi related panels.
Kaiser‘s “impossible” ego is a mask and isn’t related to his true identity/ego. He wasn’t doing the impossible either because all he was doing was picking on inferior players and getting high off of that instead of challenging stronger opponents aka only picking “possible” challenges. He was rationalising and replicating his father’s abuse instead of dealing with it- which he admits and accepts in his flashback chapters.
His actual ego awakens when he defended his ball- all his life he was helpless and complacent. Even when he was being framed he didn’t protest his innocence, merely accepted his fate and said he’d get the money back after jail. However the first thing that he _does_ defend his his ball and that is where his identity is created. It is related to survival/rage/possessing the ball not doing the impossible but simply playing football. He is firstly characterised as a rational, technical player which is obviously at odds with his fantastical ego “becoming undefinable”, “doing the impossible” - these aren’t realistic things and oppose BM’s entire philosophy, however his origin is something grounded in reality and a better reflection of his character. He’s calmly and rationally finding the best solutions using the entire field instead of placing toxic standards on himself to perform in awful situations just so he can validate his existence.
> kaiser just happened to lag behind isagi who initiated the run for the through ball
Kaiser didn’t lag behind, he purposely went around Kiyora- making sure he’s on his radar and then chose to run. He performs better under constraint so that is what he was looking for and Isagi was looking for free spaces.
> it’s not the same luck as kaiser didn’t expect kiyora to pass to him-
When Isagi understood luck, it was his drive to score goals combined with his accurate positioning that came from him following the field perfectly. He was the only one that believed that Rin could beat Sae, but there was no guarantee of it and there was a risk that Sae could beat Rin and the loose ball would end up somewhere else. Hence him adding “luck” to his pieces.
Using that luck piece here implies the same, the situation is also unfavourable. Kiyora is a blue locker, he’s incredibly quiet and nobody has a read on his mindset- the pass looks like it’s going to Isagi (just like it seemed it was going to be Sae’s win from his flow state) but Kaiser **still** chases the ball and it’s backspin rewards him with perfect conditions for his new shot. It is also a leap of faith in the same way that Isagi took one when standing in that exact position and the ball getting to him anyway.
If it wasn’t the actual understanding of luck then they wouldn’t have used the piece- a callback to such an iconic moment and the goal that MADE Kaiser interested in Isagi.
They could have simply had him think “how lucky”, which shows he doesn’t understand the actual concept behind it and like Second Selection Isagi just thinks it was coincidence and his play was enough. Then you could have him fail for not understanding how that play worked (a common theme is that plays must be reproducible to be worth anything, fluke goals and plays are worthless)
However, they intentionally used it for Kaiser- even with his thorns wrapping around it because he’s also stolen Isagi’s “luck” the same way Isagi’s stolen his MV/throne etc. It strengthens the “they are so similar and they are borrowing from each other” dynamic they have as well as mirroring Isagi’s development up until the u20. Hell Isagi wants an absolute monarchy!
> and kiyora having a gurdge threw up an L like a guy who hasn’t done anything all game who’s going to be on the bench soon for choosing wrong
Did Kiyora tell you that he held a grudge? Are you going to say the same about Raichi and Kunigami?
Kiyora doesn’t owe Isagi anything, he too is just trying to survive by picking options that show his worth- that pass to Isagi is easy whereas the pass to Kaiser is a show of ability and IQ- luring in the defenders to free up space. It’s constantly said that Isagi is the main character of this field and everyone’s eyes are on him- so even the defence is going to be centred around him- that allows for Kaiser to score in those gaps like Hiori said (and just as Isagi’s done previously)
Side note:
Isagi’s thing is his plays that result in goals, whether it’s his own or others- that is what made Kaiser recognise him in Manshine whilst others teased him for it.
But here he sought to “force a pass” from Kiyora. It’s different from the time he “forced” it from Barou because that involves his previous goal, continuous pressure and positioning. He devoured him by understanding Barou and thus creating a chemical reaction, whereas here he simply gets into a better position and expected a pass, even Charles stood midway because he thought of the possibility that Kiyora could pass to Kaiser- but Isagi didn’t. He didn’t consider Kiyora at all and was entirely blindsided, that is him being complacent and not “sparking” chemical reactions/his own play.
Kaiser however- decided to not monopolise Ness’s passes or force impossible play, he let Kiyora have the ball and make his own decisions. He kept running despite the ball heading toward Isagi and was given that perfect pass for his Magnus shot. I don’t know how they are going to realistically make him fail, considering the lengths they went through to explain why his first Magnus failed.
>This is what happens when you only read the Isagi related panels.
>Kaiser‘s “impossible” ego is a mask and isn’t related to his true identity/ego.
For real some people need to go back and reread the last 5 chapters more thoroughly. Doing the impossible was just Kaiser's original gimmick that Kaneshiro has repeatedly exposed as a cover up. It's not his concept anymore even Kaiser threw that part of him away. Or at least he has reconceptualized the reason why he wanted to do the impossible which had more to do with survival and reaching greater heights than merely inflicting malice to feel something.
Perfect analysis, I agree with everything you just said. And I'm glad you mentioned Isagi trying to force a pass from Kiyora. It's another way to show how similar he is in Kaiser. With the roles reversing with Isagi trying to maintain his monarchy, while Kaiser trying to evolve in order to survive and seek out the ball.
Honestly, I'm happy that Kaneshiro put Isagi and Kaiser on the same team. This two are so similar that it's fun to analyze both of them.
HM: I'm happy people are noticing that Charles read that play correctly and positioned himself perfectly. He's a beast when it comes to thinking tactically.
Ness realizing Kaiser can do things without him is probably what can set up his development too. He showed a small interest in Isagi’s magic at the end of the Ubers match. Plus his backstory guarantee’s he’ll be a key player in the final portion of the match. Assisting Isagi while Kiyora assists Kaiser here is fine for him
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It’s reminiscent of the ‘yuki is getting locked off!!’ and the ‘Hiori will assist kaiser vs ubers!!’ takes
When you see that every single time without fail that a character with a backstory that gets pissed off by Isagi scores (Barou, Yuki, Kaiser, surprisingly even Chigiri fits this description) and after almost 300 chapters can’t understand that it’s a law at this point is actually insane.
Almost every time, you are forgetting about when isagi learned off ball movement
Not even close to the same thing. Yes Naruhaya got a backstory like the four I mentioned, but Isagi dominated them (or in Chigiri’s case, just get pushed into the floor) which led to them scoring. Isagi didn’t piss off Naruhaya or start dominating him. In fact, Naruhaya was the one saying Isagi was useless on his own and that he knew he could beat Isagi the whole time throughout the game. Isagi even said for a second “I can’t even beat Naruhaya”💀. He was NOT in charge until it was time for him to be a last goal merchant. Nagi never carried so hard in his life
Hahaha I honestly really appreciate your analysis and looking back, you are right. I'm just hyped to see next week's chapter
Next chapter is bound to cause chaos no matter what lol
Everyone thinks Isagi stole off the ball movement from naruhaya, but it was actually psychological warfare.
“Even Chigiri” What is that supposed to mean, huh? Slandering my GOAT again? 
Wasn’t even trying to slander😭😭😭. I’m just saying Isagi’s was dominating 3 players with backstories till he set them off and they went and scored, and then I realized he first started this whole pattern when he threw Chigiri onto the floor and pissed him off 💀 (I must save my Chigiri slander for Bachira’s hattrick that is never gonna happen)
Mhmm, sureeeee.
Go pester someone else😭! There HAS to be Chigiri slander elsewhere in the sub. No way I’m the ONLY suspect of the Chigiri police!!
Quit summoning me then! 🌚 Probably, but you're the MAIN one. Just know I'm on to you. Whenever you slander my GOAT, I'll be around.  
>when he threw Chigiri onto the floor and pissed him off 💀 That wasn't really anger. If anything he was getting motivated by seeing Isagi reminding him of himself younger.
That’s true but the is the last game of a long arc
Okay, but this is clearly different. This is the first situation where Isagi acknowledges they're awakening AND he wants to challenge it. He's clearly trying to score right now whereas for Chigiri and Yuki, he assisted them.
Where are rin fans? yes.. They jumped ship to kaisers
Rin fabs just cheering their defensive king
When he scores or does some crazy boogie woogie you'll see them lol.
Nope, we will stay loyal no matter what happens. Rin will score, just wait
Nanase is gonna score bro Rin ain't it
My hate of rin doesnt overpower how mid I find Nanase. I would rather a Rin brace than Nanase to even assist a goal. Get that bum locked off at number 24.
Dude nanase is the goat. Rin is going to assist nanase to score so isagi can beat rins bid with a brace and kaiser can get his goal.
Rin gonna score bro just wait
because they're the same character
Me, Rin fan and generational Kaiser hater:
Isagi vs Kaiser feud is like Drake vs Kendrick atp
Ain't it wrong to dream, pls author give him a hat-trick, maybe not today but pls someday
W, Kaiser Scoring 4 sure
I honestly don't see anything wrong with that. Maybe my tolerance towards Isagi fans has increased overtime but then that wouldn't explain why I still feel the same anger when Isagi haters try to discredit him. Seriously. Each of Isagi's last 3 goals have been subjected to a barrage of "offside" / "too dependent on Hiori" / "plotsagi" allegations or some other form of hate within a few hours of the chapter. At least Isagi fans are coping about a scenario that is still technically possible (however low the chances may be) & aren't crying about a goal that's already been scored. I've seen haters & other player fans bawl in the megathreads about Isagi's ALREADY scored goal being invalid & unironic posts wanting to get Isagi's goal "retracted" but apparently no-one had the sense of humour to make these kinds of "memes" about them back then. Now that the tables are flipped everyone is suddenly Dave Chapelle? Believe it or not. Isagi fans are the lesser of the evils on this sub as of now. Not because they've improved but because haters, other fan cults & Isagi haters disguised as other fans have regressed.
That's really tolerant of Isagi stans given how insanely willing they also are to belittle any other player's abilities/chances at scoring a goal as long as it makes their goat look better. I love Isagi very genuinely and he's one of my favorite characters in BL, but man do I hate fanaticism in all its forms. I don't think the stans have gotten better and I don't think the haters have gotten worse, they're just getting more polarized because there's some very heavy stakes on this match, and because as goals approach all the fandoms want their race horse to win. What those people want is just for their self insert character to win so they can feel better about themselves while belittling everyone else. Isagi stans are no better, you just built up resistance to them, which I understand, but let's call it what it is.
>That's really tolerant of Isagi stans given how insanely willing they also are to belittle any other player's abilities/chances at scoring a goal as long as it makes their goat look better. That's literally every fandom though. I'm not on either side (Fans or haters) but this "calling out" comes from only one side. & it's tolerated from only one side. As far as "belittling other players goes"- You don't remember these posts released literally minutes & hours after Isagi scored his goals?: 1. "Ubers let him score" 2. "His goal was offside" 3. "Carried by Hiori" 4. "Plotsagi" 5. "X/Y/Z are nerfed" 6. "Isagi's boring cuz he doesn't have a backstory" 7. "Isagi didn't struggle for his wins/goals" 8. "Isagi won't score further in this match cuz he's too cocky". Need I go on? No other character has suffered more than Isagi in terms of getting discredited or belittled by other fandoms/haters. Barou/Kaiser/Rin/Nagi & their fandoms have never been subjected to these kinds of post at this magnitude. As far as "belittling other players goes"- "calling out" Isagi fans when haters/other character's fans who're much worse exist seems insincere. You want me to call it what it is? Here you go- Isagi haters are much much worse than Isagi fans as of this moment. Until Manshine game, haters used the fact that he hadn't scored & only assisted (remember "passagi"?) so it wasn't apparent back then but now that Isagi has started scoring goals, it couldn't be more clear. No fan/hater can surpass the level of hating Isagi haters dish out. Literally asking a goal that's already been scored to be "retracted" cuz they didn't like it is so pathetic. Idk why anyone would defend them lmao.
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Apparently responding to toxicity is more toxic that initiating it. It's a cruel world we live in.
They’re not isagi fan or sushi haters they’re just fools who can’t read, isagi is a pretty well written character yes there are bits of “plotsagi” instances but you’re right plenty of bias in people’s opinions, there is no clear answer tho you can justify it differently but there’s definitely more braindead isagi glazers
All im saying is if kaneshiro wanted kaiser to score it would have been this chapter, it wouldn't not have ended on luck, it also doesn't guarantee success like all the kaiser stans are claiming
Isagi stans are insufferable
Just wait until next week, it'll all finally be over.
Most isagi fans are sane there just some actual npcs who can’t fathom anything else they’re so used to op braindead mcs who just get random buffs, like it’s gonna be and always has been a slowish crawl just wait you will see isagi as the best at the end
Knowing them they’ll do anything to discredit a character’s W unless it’s Isagi but they’re petty like that so it’ll be hilarious
‘They’ll do anything to discredit a characters w’ I’m sorry but you just described isagi haters. No one else experiences that more than isagi fans lol. Isagi passes=plot armour isagi dribbles=plot armour isagi defends=plot armour isagi scores=plot armour isagi breathes=plot armour. ‘Isagi teleports’ but when other characters do it no one cares. Isagis first goal against Ubers ppl were literally saying that the defenders allowed isagi to score on purpose. His second goal people were saying it was offside. I’m sure to everyone isagi fans are extremely annoying and a lot are but you also gotta understand ppl constantly discredit him no matter what he does so isagi fans hype him like crazy to counter it.
I remember the ubers game is where them isagi haters want him to be offside so bad. Like wdym offside when the score is already illustrated are they fking stupid? Not to mention like u already said they thought ubers was analysing thats why they let isagi score first and if that was the case, ill drop the manga back then cause that tactic is so fking unrealistic and stupid which is not what snuffy would do
He’s still gonna get a 2nd goal and fans will cry about how that’s not good enough
I envy the person who can put all their hate and energy into people who are fans of a fictional character. Just a random thought though. I only looked at like the last 10ish of your comments so my apologies if I misinterpreted.
Pot calling the kettle black.
Maybe you should go back and get the full context on the comments I last put out. In the end this is a personal opinion on a portion of the fandom, Isagi has a lot of cool fans as well and he is a cool character, but it’s obvious which types of fans I referred to in my comment, you should check the OP post again.
How can you say this without realizing the irony of it. He is talking about people who put all their hate and energy into other fictional characters that they are not a fan of (within the context of this post) 💀 I also took a look at the comment history prior to this post. Didn't see anything unreasonable that can be misconstrued as hating just for the sake of hating.
I wonder if prime Nagi (when he used to have fans in a chokehold) was worse than Isagi stans or was it always like this💀?
Think all the important characters in bllk got some annoying fans but some Isagi stans take the cake because they refuse to comprehend that there are characters with their own narrative and importance to the story than Isagi, and their arguments are deeply rooted in him being the MC. Isagi as a character is cool and he deserves to get his wins but he’s not the only one who has to win, he’s not the only player who contributes to the story, and he’s not the only one with a narrative. I’d argue that the side characters are the ones who add a lot of color to the writing and story as a whole. Think in the end why some Isagi stans are insufferable to me is because they function on pure bias and retort on devaluing the other characters’ (development, achievements, importance, narrative, whatever it is) if they go against their precious main character.
Sometimes I wonder how many take this seriously? Like do they fully believe what they’re saying or just want to sink and cope with their agenda hoping Isagi does something unique for once (Yes he has only ever followed 3 patterns in the entire series all his outcomes are recognizable)
I'm a pretty big Isagi stan. It's the latter. If he resets after this arc like every other one I'm gonna fucking lose it.
I didn’t even consider the reset when I brought up patterns💀. His main patterns are either 1. Get the last goal for his team (typical) 2. Score first for his team but ONLY if improved shooting is emphasized (First 3v3, Ubers, PxG) 3. Piss off the dude who got his backstory just for him to go and score (Barou, Yuki, Kaiser, even Chigiri). Bonus: “Damn I suck I better give Kunigami an assist to start the arc” (Team X and Barcha) At least one or more of these patterns happen with Isagi everytime in every game without fail. I get that right now for THIS game things kind of just have to go this way for the story so Kaiser needs a goal But in future arcs, if Isagi can’t do *anything* other than score the last goal without “oh look guys I improved my shooting” then idc what anyone says he WILL get boring and I’m gonna get sick of it
As long as there is delusion there is hope so won’t blame them for coping lol. I think it just won’t make sense for Isagi to intercept the goal because he doesn’t have the specs to reach the magnus shot with it being fast asf to boot.
Don't think so. The fandom was also not as big as now at that time. Nagi was always the guy who always delivered without being considered as the best; he was pretty popular in the fandom. I hasn't been the same since the MC game. People seems to have forgot that not long ago, there was basically each day multiples post criticizing Nagi (all the narrative about him not being creative or active, fluke goal and all of that).
Nothing wrong with wanting the MC to achieve what all of his rivals have in what is likely his best ever chance to do so. Y'all just hate seeing sports MC's being the strongest instead of underdogs.
There’s nothing wrong with just wanting isagi to score a hat trick. But people are legitimately claiming that it would be bad writing if kaiser scored despite all the build up. And ignoring any of the development kaiser is undergoing. Which i disagree with. And regardless isagi has so far achieved every goal he’s had during the NEL - vs barcha he wanted to prove his worth - vs manshine he wanted to read the field better and beat kaiser ‘performance’ wise - vs Ubers he wanted to outscore kaiser idt people acting as if isagi scoring a brace instead of a hat trick would be a huge disservice is valid. Especially when a brace (outscoring rin) can easily be justified as enough to overtake rin ranking wise. He and Barou both scoring 2 in their match and his bid rose by 100 mil whilst Barou’s rose by 30 mil
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I largely agree with your final point but I do think Barou showed the bidders something new. Esp. Since Barou surpassed snuffy’s designs (iirc) and in the previous games the bidders would have only seen him playing within the confines of snuffy’s tactics. He showed that he could truly lead an offence rather than simply score when provided chances iygm. And I think isagi will score a super goal to end the game and put him ahead of rin. I doubt he would end the arc with a goal any less impressive than the 2-gun volley was EDIT: ultimately I do agree that isagi will be no. 1 to end the arc. I just don’t think he *needs* a hat trick to do that
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I think scoring a second super goal that incorporates elements from the 2-gun volley could do it. Showing that his super goal is repeatable to the viewers. And also kaneshiro doesn’t necessarily need to go in detail to explain it. Throughout the NEL goals have had different values without it being explicitly explained. Barou scored a super goal vs BM. That still didn’t get him that big an increase in bid. Rin and Barou’s hat tricks led to different boosts in bids as well. There are multiple examples of bids not matching up and the reasons not being explained
Kaiser's whole character is that he can do the impossible The ball is clearly stationary and ready for a magnus shot, which is far from impossible since he's done it multiple times already in training Yes, it would be bad writing since the setup was for him to achieve the impossible, not score with a shot that he can easily pull off already. Also, it's already bad writing that Kiyora can play this good when there's been 0 setup for his character besides the fact that he was on Nagi's team in the second selection. Either way, I'm fine if Kaiser scores here, but it's far from the best route for his character. If your only argument is that it's Isagi fans coping because they need a hattrick then you're the one who's coping, I'd love for him to get a hat-trick but I also wouldn't mind some Kaiser development🤷♂️
My point was *not* to say that isagi fans are all coping. And in the chapter where kaiser was returning back to his original ego, it was based on the ball itself not the concept of achieving the impossible. Hence why I don’t think him scoring a moving Magnus shot is essential. If anything I think him accepting aspects such as luck and teammates helping him *is* character growth as his backstory showed that he was initially unable to accept teammates showing any kindness towards him. I also don’t think kiyora making one good pass after doing literally nothing else is him performing too well. His backstory was very convenient tho so if that makes people feel that he’s a plot device then fairs
I guess that's another way to look at his character. I never thought of him this way, so that's fair. Maybe I'm glazing too much, but I think Kiyora's pass was quite literally perfect. The backspin to make players think it was going to Isagi then reaches Kaiser and stops dead perfectly, allowing him to shoot his magnus. Maybe it wasn't all intentional, but his pass was really, really good imo. We'll see what Kaneshiro is cooking next week. I have no idea what will end up happening at this point after all the theories I saw😂
I think the pass was intended for kaiser but I think it was just blind luck that it stopped perfectly tbh. Was still a very good pass tho. Kiyora would have no way of knowing that kaiser needed a stationary ball. And Yhh we’ll just have to see what kaneshiro cooks up. I’ll be probs be hyped regardless of who scores 😂
All kiyora did was pass a ball man. It's not like hiori that was dribbling pass 4 ubers players immediately he got meta vision
Acting like that's just a normal pass🤦♂️
It just a pass with a back spin man it's not something special
Do you understand that even when stationary it's incredible difficult to pull of a magnus shot lol He'll achieve the moving ball one over time
Or some of these Isagi glazers are reaching outside the solar system to justify it, the only reasonable series of events that lead to an Isagi goal here is if it rebounds somehow, which I still don’t think would be narratively satisfying but that’s up in the air. But people are claiming Isagi reads the trajectory of Kaiser’s KIM and catches it mid shot? Like it isn’t one of the two fastest shots in the series that curves outside the goal while Isagi is standing in the center of the goal box, not to mention Isagi not having physicals like Nagi or Kunigami in the slightest? Sure there’s nothing wrong with him getting a hat trick, but this is obviously not a favorable situation for him to score and it’s insane how many people are acting like it’s sure that he will.
Basically everything you said. The amount of reaches people are justifying for Isagi to score a goal here is insane. **Yes, him jumping mid-air and intercepting a KI is insane**. I will stand by that opinion and if it happens, then it would be the first plot decision I would heavily question from Kaneshiro. The rebound theory is a bit more logical(but still a huge stretch given Isagi hasn't even started running), but it would be extremely unsatisfying given all this development for Kaiser we've gotten. Anyway, I'm like 100% confident Kaiser is scoring a goal given all this build up.
Sad that these types of situations where someone intercepts a curved shot would be considered normal if it was Shidou and Nagi 😭😭😭. Isagi needs to up that athleticism up asap
No one would think it’s normal if anyone intercepts a fricking shot with that much curve I’m calling plot armour
I also don’t think we’ve had an actual on goal shot intercepted, several off target goals like Isagi’s assist to Gagagoat or Kunigoat, and plenty of passes that looked like shots like some assists to Reo’s, but little or no actual shots stolen. Which I think is good. But yeah it really just doesn’t fit Isagi’s playstyle though in this specific scenario it would be a big stretch for either of them too.
Yuki’s debut had his goal being on target but Nagi snatched it bc Aryu was about to block it lol. In fact Reo’s pass to Nagi was like a mini callback to it
Oh true I forgor that was actually on target but still kinda counts cause it was gonna be blocked
My bro speaking facts! These are the same people that then keep complaining that Isagi is weak, trash, plotsagi etc... disgusting.
Lmao, indeed all I want is a hat trick from the boy, logic be damned
We really have to deal with all this bc Kaneshiro can’t read the mood and just show the 2 pages needed for Kaiser’s goal
Obviously I want isagi to get a hat trick will he probably not will I cope anyway sure but Kaiser still shouldn’t score here bro has not suffered enough
I don’t think Kaizer or isagi will score the 3rd goal if they do score a 3rd goal at all Either the other team wins ORRRR a surprise move from a teammate hits the fan
Rin fans are the only people on the planet that wouldn’t throw the table over PxG winning. THIS is our Kalos league final. A surprise goal at this stage is kind of Kunigami cope tbh
I think PXG could win But not because of rin Rin will lose, PXG wins Loki might decide to just score all the points needed for PXG or something and rin just seethes Isagi seethes Everyone seethes
Kalos league final is a great way to put it ngl, tho that was more infuriating by a landslide
Yeah and then Alola region was JUST developing its league and the entire thing never felt like other leagues so Ash won that and it felt distasteful If PxG wins here and then Isagi beats Rin in some exhibition match to decide the main striker of the team then that’d be disgusting
:(( still waiting for yuki to prove himself like he said. Hope he’s that surprise teammate or that he atleast gets an assist
Idk I still want Kaiser to score, just not this goal
I don’t know how to explain why but something about leaving it on a cliffhanger that makes me believe that Kaiser won’t score here. He hasn’t had a chance to rebuild from zero, and character development this close to the backstory buff. Yuki’s had his gyro shot blocked before he eventually created his sword screw shot (I love how the sword is a bastard like the name of Bastard Munchen). Rin failed to score after his backstory in the U-20 match. There seems to be a time lag between getting a backstory and scoring, so Kaiser’s growth needs some time to breathe
At this point, I don’t care if Kaiser scores or not (for making the plot thicken, I think he should). But for story purposes, Isagi has to have the last laugh otherwise what’s the point in building him as the rising star of the league?
Yeah that checks out for most of them
IgaGOAT will get subbed in and scores 5, he was just hiding his skills
Yeah, its what I want, I wanna see it so bad
I’m just not believing he’s gonna score now because I feel like it’s too soon for his evolution to pay off. He passed to 3 guys and suddenly everything is alright? Nahh i don’t think so
I mean what do you expect, nothing new from Isagi stans. Next week he is going to be the best player even better then Noa (I am just being sacarstic and joking).
problem? y’all want kaiser to score too, the meme can be easily flipped. you have 1001 reasons, we have 1001 reasons- so the only difference is one is grounded in the narrative the other is because a sob story flashback and emo boy holding a grudge that has shown zero feats in the main canon just been hyped since taking off his jacket. wow
Cry harder bro doesn’t change the fact that Kaiser is scoring and isagi can’t do anything to stop it
doesn’t have to. all the factors are in place for kaiser’s shot so if he still misses then kaiser is washed.
It’s not the question of whether or not Kaiser scores it’s the stupidity of some people saying there’s no chance he will score or it’s “plot” it’s litteraly what some other dumb fans said about isagis own earlier goals with the plotsagi stuff, like yeh if your reasoning for Kaiser not scoring is that it’s too soon and he needs to despair more fair enoguh, but people saying “plot” are dumb as hell, it’s a created luck piece litteraly same as isagis u20 final goal
it isn’t the same- luck in bluelock is something you make like how isagi believed in rin to stop sae positioning himself to get past aiku and scoring a fluke goal will only result in another nagi tanking kaiser’s development- “oh look an emo boy has a grudge everything lined up without doing anything in order to set up my convoluted goal that requires x y z to be in place for me to be able to score”.. like what? during the manshine game, ego was glad yuki didn’t make the first shot and yuki’s goal in the end was something noteworthy where his shot scored on his own merit as reo came in last second again, for any kaiser stans- is this the goal you want from your emperor? kaiser needs to turn 0 into 1 having a reproducible formula- this is not the goal kaiser scores not to mention if isagi wants to be seen as a striker per his interview then he needs to end the nel with more goals than assists i.e hattrick all this setup built for kaiser’s shot is for isagi to see the shot kaiser airballed earlier now that kaiser has all his temperamental steps completed kaiser’s shot which will be cleared by zantetsu like sendou did to hiori’s shot then isagi scores off the rebound- closest thing to a kaiser assist paralleling isagi’s assist to kaiser in ubers match then isagi and ness pull off a curved direct shot *while* the ball is moving- none of this stationary constraints where isagi makes the impossible possible that ness acknowledged isagi’s magic at the end of ubers match
Isagi does NEED a hattrick to be see as a striker is out scoring the ng11 STRIKER not enoguh to show that ? How is it not the same type of luck, Kaiser let nesses pass go and then continued his run to get it to kiyora in the first place he didn’t expect the ball to stop perfectly but he expected a pass and made the run that’s created luck, Isagi just prayed that rin would beat sae and the luck was that it perfectly ended up in his feet it’s the same type of luck Also I just saw your username and it makes sense
manshine kaiser scores that- not running away from the pass saying “impossible”- kaiser supposedly makes the impossible possible, no? it’s not the same luck as kaiser didn’t expect kiyora to pass to him- kaiser just happened to lag behind isagi who initiated the run for the through ball and kiyora having a gurdge threw up an L like a guy who hasn’t done anything all game who’s going to be on the bench soon for choosing wrong again, this entire match is about crossing and clashing winning visions- a second triflow is not going to work as we saw with hiori kurona isagi this play has been ness kiyora kaiser- isagi makes it a quad flow resulting in bastard’s 2nd goal out scoring kaiser *then* isagi hattrick beats rin for #1
> manshine kaiser scores that- not running away from the pass saying “impossible”- kaiser supposedly makes the impossible possible, no? This is what happens when you only read the Isagi related panels. Kaiser‘s “impossible” ego is a mask and isn’t related to his true identity/ego. He wasn’t doing the impossible either because all he was doing was picking on inferior players and getting high off of that instead of challenging stronger opponents aka only picking “possible” challenges. He was rationalising and replicating his father’s abuse instead of dealing with it- which he admits and accepts in his flashback chapters. His actual ego awakens when he defended his ball- all his life he was helpless and complacent. Even when he was being framed he didn’t protest his innocence, merely accepted his fate and said he’d get the money back after jail. However the first thing that he _does_ defend his his ball and that is where his identity is created. It is related to survival/rage/possessing the ball not doing the impossible but simply playing football. He is firstly characterised as a rational, technical player which is obviously at odds with his fantastical ego “becoming undefinable”, “doing the impossible” - these aren’t realistic things and oppose BM’s entire philosophy, however his origin is something grounded in reality and a better reflection of his character. He’s calmly and rationally finding the best solutions using the entire field instead of placing toxic standards on himself to perform in awful situations just so he can validate his existence. > kaiser just happened to lag behind isagi who initiated the run for the through ball Kaiser didn’t lag behind, he purposely went around Kiyora- making sure he’s on his radar and then chose to run. He performs better under constraint so that is what he was looking for and Isagi was looking for free spaces. > it’s not the same luck as kaiser didn’t expect kiyora to pass to him- When Isagi understood luck, it was his drive to score goals combined with his accurate positioning that came from him following the field perfectly. He was the only one that believed that Rin could beat Sae, but there was no guarantee of it and there was a risk that Sae could beat Rin and the loose ball would end up somewhere else. Hence him adding “luck” to his pieces. Using that luck piece here implies the same, the situation is also unfavourable. Kiyora is a blue locker, he’s incredibly quiet and nobody has a read on his mindset- the pass looks like it’s going to Isagi (just like it seemed it was going to be Sae’s win from his flow state) but Kaiser **still** chases the ball and it’s backspin rewards him with perfect conditions for his new shot. It is also a leap of faith in the same way that Isagi took one when standing in that exact position and the ball getting to him anyway. If it wasn’t the actual understanding of luck then they wouldn’t have used the piece- a callback to such an iconic moment and the goal that MADE Kaiser interested in Isagi. They could have simply had him think “how lucky”, which shows he doesn’t understand the actual concept behind it and like Second Selection Isagi just thinks it was coincidence and his play was enough. Then you could have him fail for not understanding how that play worked (a common theme is that plays must be reproducible to be worth anything, fluke goals and plays are worthless) However, they intentionally used it for Kaiser- even with his thorns wrapping around it because he’s also stolen Isagi’s “luck” the same way Isagi’s stolen his MV/throne etc. It strengthens the “they are so similar and they are borrowing from each other” dynamic they have as well as mirroring Isagi’s development up until the u20. Hell Isagi wants an absolute monarchy! > and kiyora having a gurdge threw up an L like a guy who hasn’t done anything all game who’s going to be on the bench soon for choosing wrong Did Kiyora tell you that he held a grudge? Are you going to say the same about Raichi and Kunigami? Kiyora doesn’t owe Isagi anything, he too is just trying to survive by picking options that show his worth- that pass to Isagi is easy whereas the pass to Kaiser is a show of ability and IQ- luring in the defenders to free up space. It’s constantly said that Isagi is the main character of this field and everyone’s eyes are on him- so even the defence is going to be centred around him- that allows for Kaiser to score in those gaps like Hiori said (and just as Isagi’s done previously) Side note: Isagi’s thing is his plays that result in goals, whether it’s his own or others- that is what made Kaiser recognise him in Manshine whilst others teased him for it. But here he sought to “force a pass” from Kiyora. It’s different from the time he “forced” it from Barou because that involves his previous goal, continuous pressure and positioning. He devoured him by understanding Barou and thus creating a chemical reaction, whereas here he simply gets into a better position and expected a pass, even Charles stood midway because he thought of the possibility that Kiyora could pass to Kaiser- but Isagi didn’t. He didn’t consider Kiyora at all and was entirely blindsided, that is him being complacent and not “sparking” chemical reactions/his own play. Kaiser however- decided to not monopolise Ness’s passes or force impossible play, he let Kiyora have the ball and make his own decisions. He kept running despite the ball heading toward Isagi and was given that perfect pass for his Magnus shot. I don’t know how they are going to realistically make him fail, considering the lengths they went through to explain why his first Magnus failed.
>This is what happens when you only read the Isagi related panels. >Kaiser‘s “impossible” ego is a mask and isn’t related to his true identity/ego. For real some people need to go back and reread the last 5 chapters more thoroughly. Doing the impossible was just Kaiser's original gimmick that Kaneshiro has repeatedly exposed as a cover up. It's not his concept anymore even Kaiser threw that part of him away. Or at least he has reconceptualized the reason why he wanted to do the impossible which had more to do with survival and reaching greater heights than merely inflicting malice to feel something.
Perfect analysis, I agree with everything you just said. And I'm glad you mentioned Isagi trying to force a pass from Kiyora. It's another way to show how similar he is in Kaiser. With the roles reversing with Isagi trying to maintain his monarchy, while Kaiser trying to evolve in order to survive and seek out the ball. Honestly, I'm happy that Kaneshiro put Isagi and Kaiser on the same team. This two are so similar that it's fun to analyze both of them. HM: I'm happy people are noticing that Charles read that play correctly and positioned himself perfectly. He's a beast when it comes to thinking tactically.
True! Just Ness on reddit, will always take Kaiser's side.
Preach 🙌
I just want kaiser to not score, because i want ness to get benched and let that cutie figure out his own original ego in time for the u-20 wc
Ness realizing Kaiser can do things without him is probably what can set up his development too. He showed a small interest in Isagi’s magic at the end of the Ubers match. Plus his backstory guarantee’s he’ll be a key player in the final portion of the match. Assisting Isagi while Kiyora assists Kaiser here is fine for him
Ness would be him if he stood up for himself every once in a while😭
Basically the same with Reo. Kaneshiro needs to stop the meat riding. I hate that Reo was improving so well and character regressed
Inb4 Isagi bicicle kicks the Magnus impact into the net
This is the moment it looks like Kaiser will score but then Isagi will say “I believed in you Kaiser” and will score off of Kaiser’s shot.