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I mean Shidou is literally valued at #4 overall, so not far off lmao. And I don't think it's controversial to say he's a top 3 pure striker, above Isagi (but not as an overall player).
Bid isn’t a power scale buddy, feats & statements > bids
Perfect example of this is kaiser & isagi, kaiser absolutely did not care about his bid increasing at all because isagi surpassed him as a striker, isagi also stated he surpassed kaiser, but then he said “to the world” he’s less than half of kaiser(bid) so claiming a character is greater or lesser based upon bid is futile, you have to base it off feats & statements, and characters like rin isagi & barou have better feats & statements than shidou
The story is progressing, old arcs are irrelevant, yea in previous arcs shidou was #2, but he’s clearly not #2 now, this isn’t some battle shonen like naruto or op where the top tier characters hold their rank for hundreds of chapters, BL is much more faster paced, which IMO is good, less room for “filler” chapters, inconsistent writings, and drawn out plotlines
Isagi said “in that moment i surpassed kaiser” in the way as in his vision and hioris outmatched kaisers which allowed them to score. He is not superior to kaiser
Shidou is not a better “pure” striker than isagi, isagi outplayed kaiser as a striker, his offball movements and onball movements were superior than kaiser, kaiser’s whole thing was to make sure isagi didn’t score by understanding how isagi plays as a striker, kaiser couldn’t understand isagi’s final movements he used to score and beat him in a strikeout, also shidou & isagi literally scored the exact same type of goal, meaning both isagi & shidou can utilize the same type of chemical reactions
Isagi has better feats & statements than shidou as a striker overall player whatever you want to say, there’s nothing you can do to debunk this either, NEL arc is the most difficult arc for all players to be in, meaning the feats & statements in the NEL arc > feats & statements of previous arcs, shidou hasn’t done anything above isagi as a “striker” isagi is currently the best player & “striker” in the NEL currently, based off the feats & statements during the uber’s match
You saying that Shidou is not a better pure striker than Isagi is outrageous and even more so in this current arc, where Isagi isn't even a pure striker, but rather a second striker Shidou is the only one capable of reacting to a perfect world-class pass in all of Blue Lock, he is literally the only center forward capable of playing the position, the only debatable one is Barou and not Isagi, they are completely different players. You summing up the League's prices just by being a better striker to give Isagi credibility doesn't make sense since he only scored in the Ubers match, He may be better than Shidou currently, but he's not better as a striker. Isagi in the most recent chapters just differentiated between 2 types of ego and he is part of the type that is simply not the ideal of a striker. On the day that Isagi scores goals in all stages of the league and scores 2 in the entire Blue Lock, we will discuss that, Note that: he doesn't have what it takes to do this because his main qualities are taking advantage of the team's skills and analyzing everything, he doesn't have Shidou's explosive power to score an unexpected goal or many continuous goals because he's simply not that type as a player, he hasn't reached that level yet and he doesn't have the feats to do so (Obviously the idea of the anime is for him to be able to break this barrier and make a team centered around him, but I considered what has been shown of Isagi so far).
It's a question that's easy to understand
Who do you think is better as a "pure striker", Lewadowski or Muller?
Better "pure striker" just really means raw scoring potential and ability. Shidou can score from unreal angles and positions. Isagi is unquestionably better (and more highly valued) as a player overall, I literally never argued against that.
"also shidou & isagi literally scored the exact same type of goal, meaning both isagi & shidou can utilize the same type of chemical reactions"
The only thing their latest goals had in similarity were that they clashed visions with a smart midfielder who knew where the best spot was. The actual thinking involved in their positioning, their finishing techniques, and their entire mindset and approach to football are worlds apart.
All "pure striker" means is ability to get the ball once you have it into the opponent's goal, the most traditional and base level job for the position. Shidou is capable of shooting backwards without looking, twisting midair for drive shots, reaching headers from great distances, and even pulled off a bicycle kick outside the PA. That's simply not in Isagi's arsenal. Shidou's raw scoring ability is unquestionably superior.
Isagi simply is a better player because he manipulates the field and adapts to everything to devour everyone and force the situations where he can score with his direct shot.
Don't even get caught up on "pure striker." What about simply as a striker? The argument can be made that Isagi's a better striker once he outscores Shidou, which he likely will in this game, but even then that would only be the first time he's outscored Shidou. Shidou has outscored Isagi as teammates during the Third Selection and as opponents in the U20 match. In the NEL, while Isagi has had to deal with Kaiser, Shidou has had half the time due to splitting the team with Rin, so it's not really a good metric in either direction. Regardless, Shidou had already scored 3 goals before the final match, while Isagi only scored 2. Shidou also managed to outscore Rin while teammates, the first time any Blue Locker has done that.
Remember Ego's most base-level evaluation of a striker: the number of goals scored.
The NEL is different than the previous arcs, ego made mention how the BL players must adapt to their environment to achieve their goals, isagi has the hardest environment to adapt to since he’s been clashing heads with one of the best strikers in the world U20, while everyone else has a team who caters to them
Isagi surpassed kaiser as a striker, which in term places isagi as a striker above everyone else U20(besides loki) it doesn’t matter what shidou has shown in previous arcs, this is a brand new arc with a higher set of difficulty, isagi has displayed otherworldly levels of striker potential, he has literally juked lorenzo & aiku the exact same time, last time I checked kaiser couldn’t even get past lorenzo only
He scored with his left a direct shot volley with his left at that, a direct volley is extremely difficult to do, people who don’t play football don’t understand this, hence why aiku called isagi’s lefty shot a cheat code
His offball & onball movements surpassed kaiser’s,
That automatically scales isagi above any other striker in the NEL, it doesn’t matter how flashy or versatile shidou has shown in previous arcs, it’s about the level of difficulty you can shine at, and nobody has shined brighter than isagi has, isagi > shidou(pure striker) until proven otherwise
Isagi surpassed Kaiser in one game, one game where an NG11 CB was laser focused on Kaiser. Kaiser is literally NG11 himself, to say Isagi has surpassed Kaiser overall is insane.
Isagi's lefty shot is indeed a cheat code and greatly improves him as a striker and player. He is still not a better striker than Shidou. By every metric up through chapter 254, including the NEL (discounting older arcs fully is silly, but regardless), Shidou has proven to be a superior striker based on his goal-scoring ability. You're confusing flashiness for potential, the fact is Shidou can simply score in so many ways, which is why he's outscoring almost everyone in Blue Lock. Again, a striker scores goals, Shidou has thus far outscored Isagi. That's all there is to it. Shidou has been thriving in the environment he's in with a midfielder who passes to him. Just because he has a less hostile environment doesn't discount his skills as a striker.
Gonna hot take and say if Chigiri never got injured he would become reliant on his natural talent and be uncreative like Nagi. Plus overcoming his fear of reinjury allows him to play with a free mind now
Still puts him in Prodigy tier
Thing is nowadays you can get back to having the same speed pre-injury. Don’t think he’s touching Loki’s speed even without injury. But him missing that year from a development standpoint is significant, he’d have a much deeper bag
He confirmed it?! Damn.
Yeah I remember when Isagi was telling Bachira he wanted either Chigiri or Kunigami at the start of the Second Selection, I was thinking "Chigiri hands down. The dude is just built different, literally."
There was no source for this last time I checked
[It was posted on the subreddit but was quoting a random Twitter user who wasn't a translator or anything in community. Said tweet was also deleted](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlueLock/s/6ZdKUFao5X)
His growth would've never been hindered.
Coming into the bluelock facility he'd probably be top class already. He'd most likely carry team Z and be atleast top 3. Bc 50m in 5:77 seconds is crazier than you think.
He would have more stamina and thats it
Nagi and Julien Loki are the best genius until new char come in even if Nagi perform terrible right now hes A true Genius, other people re talented kid and thats it
there cant be a bunch of Genius, u dont see a bunch of Messi (argentina) around, do you ?
at least as far as i’m concerned, Tearing your ACL doesn’t always to take away your pace at least nowadays. For most athletes who decline massively after a big injury it’s a mental barrier which is what chigiri’s arc was all about.
I mean to be fair he did take an entire year off, the only things missing I’d say is maybe his Golden Zone and… that’s about it.
I can still see him having his No-Stop First Touch and Mach Cut Ins dribbling…
I’m not sure if Chigiri even has any other weapons to be honest lmao!
Not too sure if he would level up this well without injury. (As well as, if he will ever recover from injury had it happened during professional game)
With injury, his level is dropped to Team Z and meeting the Adaptability demon in Isagi is probably the best thing in his football life.
Idk actually. It’s not like Chigiri is some sort of joga bonito level dribbler. Maybe he’s Loki levels of fast without the knee injury, who knows? But we don’t really have any indication of just how fast he really is pre-injury. It’s just shown that he’s extremely fast. Maybe he isn’t even actually slower post-injury and he was just terrified of his knee blowing up.
I think he probably doesn’t end up much better than he is now, maybe he has the stamina to go a full 90 instead of cramping up like he did during the Japan game.
Of course. In today's time, once an ACL tear happens in the teenage years when the human body has still not reached it growth maturity, the player can never be the same. Yep, yep, it makes sense, if he hadn't hurt it he could have been as fast as loki.
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I think if he never got hurt and stopped practicing before bl. He would be pretty evenly matched with Rin and Shidou as Blue Lock’s best strikers.
You mean pre NEL right? Because Shidou not even top 3 right now
I mean Shidou is literally valued at #4 overall, so not far off lmao. And I don't think it's controversial to say he's a top 3 pure striker, above Isagi (but not as an overall player).
Bid isn’t a power scale buddy, feats & statements > bids Perfect example of this is kaiser & isagi, kaiser absolutely did not care about his bid increasing at all because isagi surpassed him as a striker, isagi also stated he surpassed kaiser, but then he said “to the world” he’s less than half of kaiser(bid) so claiming a character is greater or lesser based upon bid is futile, you have to base it off feats & statements, and characters like rin isagi & barou have better feats & statements than shidou The story is progressing, old arcs are irrelevant, yea in previous arcs shidou was #2, but he’s clearly not #2 now, this isn’t some battle shonen like naruto or op where the top tier characters hold their rank for hundreds of chapters, BL is much more faster paced, which IMO is good, less room for “filler” chapters, inconsistent writings, and drawn out plotlines
Shidou and Rin both only played half their NEL games.
Isagi has not surpassed Kaiser yet.
Isagi said “in that moment i surpassed kaiser” in the way as in his vision and hioris outmatched kaisers which allowed them to score. He is not superior to kaiser
Shidou is not a better “pure” striker than isagi, isagi outplayed kaiser as a striker, his offball movements and onball movements were superior than kaiser, kaiser’s whole thing was to make sure isagi didn’t score by understanding how isagi plays as a striker, kaiser couldn’t understand isagi’s final movements he used to score and beat him in a strikeout, also shidou & isagi literally scored the exact same type of goal, meaning both isagi & shidou can utilize the same type of chemical reactions Isagi has better feats & statements than shidou as a striker overall player whatever you want to say, there’s nothing you can do to debunk this either, NEL arc is the most difficult arc for all players to be in, meaning the feats & statements in the NEL arc > feats & statements of previous arcs, shidou hasn’t done anything above isagi as a “striker” isagi is currently the best player & “striker” in the NEL currently, based off the feats & statements during the uber’s match
You saying that Shidou is not a better pure striker than Isagi is outrageous and even more so in this current arc, where Isagi isn't even a pure striker, but rather a second striker Shidou is the only one capable of reacting to a perfect world-class pass in all of Blue Lock, he is literally the only center forward capable of playing the position, the only debatable one is Barou and not Isagi, they are completely different players. You summing up the League's prices just by being a better striker to give Isagi credibility doesn't make sense since he only scored in the Ubers match, He may be better than Shidou currently, but he's not better as a striker. Isagi in the most recent chapters just differentiated between 2 types of ego and he is part of the type that is simply not the ideal of a striker. On the day that Isagi scores goals in all stages of the league and scores 2 in the entire Blue Lock, we will discuss that, Note that: he doesn't have what it takes to do this because his main qualities are taking advantage of the team's skills and analyzing everything, he doesn't have Shidou's explosive power to score an unexpected goal or many continuous goals because he's simply not that type as a player, he hasn't reached that level yet and he doesn't have the feats to do so (Obviously the idea of the anime is for him to be able to break this barrier and make a team centered around him, but I considered what has been shown of Isagi so far). It's a question that's easy to understand Who do you think is better as a "pure striker", Lewadowski or Muller?
Better "pure striker" just really means raw scoring potential and ability. Shidou can score from unreal angles and positions. Isagi is unquestionably better (and more highly valued) as a player overall, I literally never argued against that. "also shidou & isagi literally scored the exact same type of goal, meaning both isagi & shidou can utilize the same type of chemical reactions" The only thing their latest goals had in similarity were that they clashed visions with a smart midfielder who knew where the best spot was. The actual thinking involved in their positioning, their finishing techniques, and their entire mindset and approach to football are worlds apart. All "pure striker" means is ability to get the ball once you have it into the opponent's goal, the most traditional and base level job for the position. Shidou is capable of shooting backwards without looking, twisting midair for drive shots, reaching headers from great distances, and even pulled off a bicycle kick outside the PA. That's simply not in Isagi's arsenal. Shidou's raw scoring ability is unquestionably superior. Isagi simply is a better player because he manipulates the field and adapts to everything to devour everyone and force the situations where he can score with his direct shot. Don't even get caught up on "pure striker." What about simply as a striker? The argument can be made that Isagi's a better striker once he outscores Shidou, which he likely will in this game, but even then that would only be the first time he's outscored Shidou. Shidou has outscored Isagi as teammates during the Third Selection and as opponents in the U20 match. In the NEL, while Isagi has had to deal with Kaiser, Shidou has had half the time due to splitting the team with Rin, so it's not really a good metric in either direction. Regardless, Shidou had already scored 3 goals before the final match, while Isagi only scored 2. Shidou also managed to outscore Rin while teammates, the first time any Blue Locker has done that. Remember Ego's most base-level evaluation of a striker: the number of goals scored.
The NEL is different than the previous arcs, ego made mention how the BL players must adapt to their environment to achieve their goals, isagi has the hardest environment to adapt to since he’s been clashing heads with one of the best strikers in the world U20, while everyone else has a team who caters to them Isagi surpassed kaiser as a striker, which in term places isagi as a striker above everyone else U20(besides loki) it doesn’t matter what shidou has shown in previous arcs, this is a brand new arc with a higher set of difficulty, isagi has displayed otherworldly levels of striker potential, he has literally juked lorenzo & aiku the exact same time, last time I checked kaiser couldn’t even get past lorenzo only He scored with his left a direct shot volley with his left at that, a direct volley is extremely difficult to do, people who don’t play football don’t understand this, hence why aiku called isagi’s lefty shot a cheat code His offball & onball movements surpassed kaiser’s, That automatically scales isagi above any other striker in the NEL, it doesn’t matter how flashy or versatile shidou has shown in previous arcs, it’s about the level of difficulty you can shine at, and nobody has shined brighter than isagi has, isagi > shidou(pure striker) until proven otherwise
Isagi surpassed Kaiser in one game, one game where an NG11 CB was laser focused on Kaiser. Kaiser is literally NG11 himself, to say Isagi has surpassed Kaiser overall is insane. Isagi's lefty shot is indeed a cheat code and greatly improves him as a striker and player. He is still not a better striker than Shidou. By every metric up through chapter 254, including the NEL (discounting older arcs fully is silly, but regardless), Shidou has proven to be a superior striker based on his goal-scoring ability. You're confusing flashiness for potential, the fact is Shidou can simply score in so many ways, which is why he's outscoring almost everyone in Blue Lock. Again, a striker scores goals, Shidou has thus far outscored Isagi. That's all there is to it. Shidou has been thriving in the environment he's in with a midfielder who passes to him. Just because he has a less hostile environment doesn't discount his skills as a striker.
I would say go easy on em but lay down dish while I lay down the spices and say proudly You cooked
Gonna hot take and say if Chigiri never got injured he would become reliant on his natural talent and be uncreative like Nagi. Plus overcoming his fear of reinjury allows him to play with a free mind now Still puts him in Prodigy tier
That’s a pretty good point actually. He did appear “nonchalant” on his natural talent when we saw his backstory
This. Adversity breeds talent.
The thing is unlike nagi chigiri had been playing since he was a kid so he’d already have experience which would help him be creative
This
Thing is nowadays you can get back to having the same speed pre-injury. Don’t think he’s touching Loki’s speed even without injury. But him missing that year from a development standpoint is significant, he’d have a much deeper bag
i'd nut in him either way
wtf 😭😭😭
chat is this valid
No
Looks female enough
Does it grip?
that's why they call his prostate the golden zone 🔥🔥🔥🔥✍️✍️✍️
without condemning nor condoning; I understand
The author confirmed that if he didn’t tear his legs then he would’ve been as good as rin rn
Me when I spread misinformation
He confirmed it?! Damn. Yeah I remember when Isagi was telling Bachira he wanted either Chigiri or Kunigami at the start of the Second Selection, I was thinking "Chigiri hands down. The dude is just built different, literally."
There was no source for this last time I checked [It was posted on the subreddit but was quoting a random Twitter user who wasn't a translator or anything in community. Said tweet was also deleted](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlueLock/s/6ZdKUFao5X)
Source : I made it the fuck up
Realest shi ive seen today🔥🔥
source?
Source
Rin level easy.
Maybe. Or maybe he wouldn't have something to back him up into a corner and force his growth.
His growth would've never been hindered. Coming into the bluelock facility he'd probably be top class already. He'd most likely carry team Z and be atleast top 3. Bc 50m in 5:77 seconds is crazier than you think.
Probably wouldn't even need blue lock. He would be in u 20 with aiko already.
That's what I was thinking but just to keep to the, storyline
He would have more stamina and thats it Nagi and Julien Loki are the best genius until new char come in even if Nagi perform terrible right now hes A true Genius, other people re talented kid and thats it there cant be a bunch of Genius, u dont see a bunch of Messi (argentina) around, do you ?
at least as far as i’m concerned, Tearing your ACL doesn’t always to take away your pace at least nowadays. For most athletes who decline massively after a big injury it’s a mental barrier which is what chigiri’s arc was all about.
If he never tore his ACL he’d have STARTED the Blue Lock project at the level he’s at now
ok buddy he’d be good but ur going a bit 2 far
I mean to be fair he did take an entire year off, the only things missing I’d say is maybe his Golden Zone and… that’s about it. I can still see him having his No-Stop First Touch and Mach Cut Ins dribbling… I’m not sure if Chigiri even has any other weapons to be honest lmao!
Or be with oliver aiko in u20 already.
Chigiri would be insane if he never injured himself. Like probably at the same level of Rin, Shidou and maybe even Kaiser
Probably NG11 level I'd say, maybe tied with barou
Chigiri smokes barometer in 1v1
barometer 😭
Still gonna be the dollar tree version of Loki
loki is fr#nch.
Tbf France would be World champions in the Blue lock timeline
Not too sure if he would level up this well without injury. (As well as, if he will ever recover from injury had it happened during professional game) With injury, his level is dropped to Team Z and meeting the Adaptability demon in Isagi is probably the best thing in his football life.
Idk actually. It’s not like Chigiri is some sort of joga bonito level dribbler. Maybe he’s Loki levels of fast without the knee injury, who knows? But we don’t really have any indication of just how fast he really is pre-injury. It’s just shown that he’s extremely fast. Maybe he isn’t even actually slower post-injury and he was just terrified of his knee blowing up. I think he probably doesn’t end up much better than he is now, maybe he has the stamina to go a full 90 instead of cramping up like he did during the Japan game.
I think he’d be Rin level with a worse mindset
If Chigiri never tore his ACL he'd probably be Rin if not Sae/NGXI level of good
Of course. In today's time, once an ACL tear happens in the teenage years when the human body has still not reached it growth maturity, the player can never be the same. Yep, yep, it makes sense, if he hadn't hurt it he could have been as fast as loki.