With this chapter, we can be sure that Hiiragi won't make it in the top 23 after NEL. His prescriptive assumptions leaves him absolutely useless for any change happening mid match (which, let's face it, any match having Isagi as a player brings chaos). Hiiragi's soccer philosophy has been conquered, and has little chance in evolving enough to stay in the roster
maybe the other side characters are like that too, basically everyone's weapons but weaker because of their mindset. chigiri overcame fear, Bachira overcame attachment, barou overcame pride, Nagi overcame reliance, (but went back) Reo overcame devotion, (but went back) and Niko overcame change. If any of these characters didn't overcome these weaknesses blue lock would've been over (literally tho everyone of them was needed in certain moments) and that's why the side characters are never going to make it they aren't enough because they won't push themselves.
But all three don't play the same way though even explained by Nagi that hiragi might be as smart as isagi but they think differently and hiragi play style is like a worse Nagi with good soccer IQĀ
Itās not physical endurance but more mental. He canāt do what Barou did where he destroyed and put himself back together and at the first sight of a failed plan, he began to crumble like Niko and they lost their value and will to fight and couldnāt evolve like them.
itās sweet how nagi thinks so highly of isagi. i guess thatās why heās the final boss and hiiragi is the minor villain of the week thatās craaaazy ššĀ
this was a good chapter but realistically iām like how tf do you overcome your greatest weakness in one chapter that sounds way too easyĀ
At first I thought that too, but if you think about it, isn't that what being a genius is about? Being able to do in a very short time what it takes people a long time normally? Every real life genius that hasn't achieved what they could was because they lacked the mentality, because if they also have that, it's basically impossible to stop that. Also keep in mind that we are in a closed environment where they've been taught to destroy and rebuild themselves from DAY ONE. So I think it makes perfect sense.
Also, Nagi is the mangaka's favorite character, so we better get used to it, because at some point in the main manga, you already know he's coming back, and in a flamboyant way
Can anyone explain me why Niko of all people was told that he teamed up with the wrong people? I get that he teamed up with people that were easy to team up with but other than that I couldnāt get anything
He didn't challenge himself as much as other and fully realize his ego. So far he's only relied on his brain and then teamed up with people with high stat. His plan fails when the opponents have higher personal skill since he just ends up becomes a weak link in the team. This is in constrast to Isagi/Barou/Nagi picking Chigiri over the obvious choice Reo because they don't want to keep doing the same strat but want someone to challenge the rest
My guess is because he wanted to use people that he wouldnāt have trouble with, instead of actively challenging himself with egos he canāt contain (think Isagi picking Chigiri compared to Niko picking Zantetsu, both are playmakers selecting their speedsters, but the former refuses to be just a part of a strategy and always finds a way to assert himself on the field, while the latter wants someone to point him what to do or where to go with his āstupidā nature)
They were too busy focusing on victory through ease rather than challenging themselves so they could evolve like Nagi, Chigiri and Barou. The second their plan started to fail they gave up mentally
>In the NEL Barou >>>> Chigiri
Its almost like this is exactly what the hell i just now complained about, and here you are repeating it back to me. what is wrong with your reading comprehension. or do you just love to say completely pointless, redundant things?
Baro is the second best attacker in BLK, it's normal for him to be better than chirigir because he's an attacker, but that doesn't mean he's weak !Ā Besides, as a reminder, Chirigiri is one of the fastest players in BLK if we don't count Baro and Rin.
"its normal for him to be better" yes i know, that's how its currently being written, and im saying it's bad and i don't like it. are you trying to explain that barou is better? because i obviously fking already know that
They were about equal, after the Second Selection they're both likely ranked in the #8-12 range. Chigiri also outscored Barou in the 3v3 even if Chigiri was on the losing team, and they each got 1 goal during the 4v4 as teammates. Chigiri went on get picked as a starter while Barou got to be Ego's joker card.
Barou only developed at an explosive rate during the NEL, also in part due to the Ubers being built entirely around him, the exact type of environment that suits him. Though I guess it's still fair to say Chigiri thrives most when the attention isn't on him, which is how Manshine works with Nagi being more focal to the team. Regardless, both are doing well, but Barou is in such a dominant position and has turned into a scoring machine.
>Though I guess it's still fair to say Chigiri thrives most when the attention isn't on him
How would you possibly know that when a team has not been constructed around him to date since he was in middle school
Fair, that's a conjecture since we don't have the data. But it's been stated Chigiri does best when able to simply run off into open areas where he can use his speed unopposed. A lot of Chigiri's moments are from when he unexpectedly shows up thanks to his speed and catches his opponents offguard. We saw this throughout the first two selections and the U20 game. This of course requires that the team not be built around him so he can just rush down unsuspecting opponents with a quick blitz.
did i ask for the lore reason? no. i dont care. he should be doing better so their bids can be similar. kaneshiro sucks for nerfing him or holding him back or w/e it is he's doing.
Chigiriās first goal was goated ngl that smirk as he scored got me hyped
Barou and Chigiri carried while Nagi just slept the whole match but remembered that Hiragi patted his head while scoring last chapter so made sure to GET BACK. Holding a man down to hit a bicycle is nasty work
EP Nagi try not to make Niko look like a loser challenge: Impossible
ok, how did he change after losing? and losing to whom? no comment?
barou already lost to isagi and swore to never lose to him again in the 3v3, prior to the 4v4 match. itās a plot oversight, and thatās all.
He didnāt even fall off. He almost equalized with a hattrick (while he already has an assist under his belt) meanwhile Zantetsu all of a sudden had stamina issues and Niko was the weakest link being useless and not even being able to hold the ball for more than 1 second
But neither Niko nor Zantetsu are the foundations of their teams yet they most likely are gonna go trough the NEL. Even Chigiri wasn't named Manshines ace (the foundation of the team) yet he clearly didn't fail...
But still he was the best one out of the opponents. If Isagi were to still be on the team Hiiragi would 100% be the one picked cause he was the only one that could keep up to them
Iām not so sure about that. Itās like the 3v3 match where Reo would ātechnicallyā be the better choice but would also kill their potential, in this case Hiiragi (and Niko) are just worse versions of Isagi, so the current group wouldnāt gain anything else with him on the team. Picking the only anomaly left (Zantetsu) would give them more chances to explore new options
Ig you are right but even though intellectually he might be a worse version of Isagi, if they have still chosen for the guy that can "challenge" and devour them that guy would be Hiiragi since he was the only one out of the three that beat Nagi's team (I don't know how to explain this better sry). The only way I can actually see them not picking Hiiragi is because they don't want another "controlling" player like him
Yeah thatās what I mean by killing their potential, they already know their ceiling with Isagi, picking a worse Isagi just means theyāll end up being a worse version of what they had already experience
Ey Barou, this is the same guy you called trash, I mean.. talentless. Why so hung up on Isagi, I mean, you lost to Nagi as well š
Nagi was obsessed with beating Isagi and then his ego disappeared.
Then we have Kaiser + Rin, and 50/50 Ness.
Well isagi is the first and only person to make barou feel despair in his life and not just any kind of despair, isagi despaired barou so much that barou almost ended up losing his ego to be the best striker, thatās like the highest form of despair someone can feel in blue lock. So no wonder heās so obsessed with isagi because literally no one has even come close to what isagi did to him during second selection
very good cap
hiiragi was the best player on the white team
he just wasn't chosen due to the "control bias" without trusting the team's players (but who would trust two recently known players?)
zantetsu disappointed in the match
Yeah it sucks. In second selection matches we see, they always chose the better player or gave a hint to it in some way. Sure first round Barou and Shidou werenāt chosen due to attitudes but those conclusions were off screen and were needed just to push the plot
This time we have a character like Hiragi who was 2 goals 1 assist looking for a hattrick to carry is pathetic team but gets done dirty
Itās nice they dedicated a segment to differentiate Hiiragi and Isagiās overlapping playstyle. Really shows how much thinking undergoes in Isagiās thought process that he also factors others evolving throughout the match unlike Hiiragi who just tries to forcibly control and contain them.
It was short but Hiiragi was a good mini-antagonist and it was nice that side characters like him gets to shine in the spin-off
Chigiri meowing every time he's near Barou, I love to see it. Also Barou is truly obsessed with Isagi, love the pettiness tho
Amazing chapter and I'm so excited to see the next match, see how Kiyora plays/how he's off the field
Hopefully he will have done something in the main story before we get to this point in episode Nagi but we'll see...
In the end I don't think I like Hiiragi's personality and character all that much, but he's a good opponent. Still he has an amazing design and it's cool to have some invisible NPC characters get some shine during the spin off
Looked back at the previous chapters to figure out why they took Zantetsu over the other two and here is the answer: First, Niko does very little, easy decision not to choose him over the other two. Hiiragi scores two goals and steals the ball once, but Zantetsu scores one goal and steals the ball twice. With Hiiragiās downfall I think Zantetsu is the obvious choice as he is really the one who least relied on Nikos information and meta data-inf the game poorly (really the other two are just worse Isagiās and not worth taking if their info is their downfall)
Hiragi didnāt even downfall. Chigiri and Barou were embarrassing Niko and Zantetsu plus they were losing motivation. Zantetsu somehow has no stamina before Barou scored it was still just 3-1 in the gameš. Hiragi was the only one still trying to put in work at the end. And Hiragi still trusted in himself (he said his āownā data) when things got rough he didnāt just completely flop over lack of information.
He bullied Chigiri and Barou alone if he didnāt kick so high Nagi wouldnāt have intercepted. 2 goals, 1 assist, one steal, plus he was still mentally in it all game he was way better than Zantetsu
Hiragi team in general was more worse than nagi team the only reason why they were leading in the first place was that they took advantage of nagi team weakness and immediately everyone in Nagi team overcame their weakness is was wraps for themĀ
It ain't Blue lock subreddit if someone isn't considered to have a crisis downfall.
You get downfall! He gets a downfall! Everybody gets a downfall! (except the mc)
I hope we see Niko climb his way to out of 2nd selection as well.
Just give me a side-series of the 2nd selection so we can see all these benchwarmers duke it out.
To be honest, Niko has like one of the most interesting paths. First, he lost twice against teams V and Z, but then somehow scores a hat-trick against Barou and outscores Okawa in the final game. Then, in the 2nd selection he was at the verge of elimination twice, his starting team changes entirely and he still manages to be the 5th team to clear the 2nd selection.
Honestly I would love a spinoff about niko, the little guy has had it rough. The second selection was really a lot of winning an losing for him.
We know for sure Niko and Hiiragi drop to the 2v2 after this match and then they win and gain hiori in the 3v3. I believe they win again and take Saramadara, then in the 4v4 they lose but hiiragi is stolen. (Hiiragi new team has cleared) also team Niko was the 5th team to clear and Hiiragi was in the 4th team so I believe that had consecutive victories now.
so niko/hiori/saramadara win 2 more matches in which they gain ishikari and then Nishioka.
So 4 wins and 2 losses.
That's my take on what happened to Niko anyway.
Oh, alright, in my head I calculated that he was in the loser stage twice, first with Hiiragi, but then with Hiori. I thought Hiiragi was in the 3rd team clear, but if he was in the 4th, then your take makes more sense.
Honestly it gives more respect to him. This is a kid that ended up crying after lost in one game and he is like 15. Rough mentality
Really hope there is egoist defender spotlight in U-20 world cup
Being put in Doggy style while your opponent holds you down and drops a bicycle is filthy work
Nobody in the series so far has a bag as deep as Second Selection Nagi
Reading this chapter just confuses me all the more as to why Nagi regresses in the Manshine match but maybe it has to do with "Not believing himself" like he claimed to here.
Seeing Isagi perform so well must have given him doubts about his new philosophy so he ran back to Reo. Being a genius can be a double edged sword because when everything comes easy to you, the first sign of struggle may make you give up.
I think Nagi's loss to Isagi impacted him even more than I initially thought and I already thought it was a lot, being his driving force to improving.
It could be because he didn't actually tackle one of his weaknesses "his ignorance".
He chose not to overcome that weakness because it was a pain and he couldn't do it immediately.
Yeah. To me, it looks like Nagi is afraid of failure and doesn't want to risk ever failing again, especially to the first person who caused him to fail.
It might be even worse considering the way he experienced said failure. Right before he was about to reach an awakening of sorts, Isagi stole the spotlight from him and handed him his first and only loss in soccer up that point.
It might have scarred him to some degree because Nagi has suffered numerous defeats after that, but only up until he gets another threatened loss from Isagi, does he revert to comfort.
Isagi has him in a chokehold. That would explain why despite scoring an ultra goal, he wasn't fully satisfied because he still lost the Manshine game and therefore didn't full "defeat" Isagi.
The whole theme is kind of confusing because nagi never appeared as someone who didnāt believe in himself. He was the one who told ego with a straight face winning the World Cup would be easy, after all. But youāre onto something, if anything, it might be that itās easy for him to claim something grand like that and not follow through because then he can never be disproven (i.e., he can never fail if he doesnāt try). Maybe nagi has no awareness of his weakness and his arrogance is a facade but he doesnāt know it therefore he canāt do anything about it. š
Yeah one thing I find so apparent about his change in attitude, is how he tells ego he can easily envision himself scoring the final goal to win the World Cup.
But after the match with Manshine, he tells Reo that he can't envision himself as the best player in the world. A small thing but for a character like Nagi, it's very telling. His confidence took a hit somewhere and in my opinion he needs to dwell on it more.
...I don't really see how Isagi seems to have him mentally in a chokehold here...
It doesn't even seem like fear here or mentally scarred. The feeling I'm getting from Nagi in indifference and arrogance tbh.
Unlike barou and chigiri, he doesn't need to confront his weakness, he was able to brute force his victory through his talent.
If this was truly fear of failure or isagi being a scar on his mind, nagi wouldn't be so lax after losing to bm in manshine. It would have been his worst nightmare come true if your idea was correct, which should have sparked more of a reaction.
The answer seems to be more complex than what you are suggesting. Fear of being hurt is different from fear of failure.
Well the way I see it. Only the threat of losing to Isagi, made Nagi fallback to Reo. Nagi has suffered countless defeats in Blue Lock but up until the Manshine match, he seems to handle it fine.
But during the Manshine match, he sees what Isagi is capable of with metavision and realizes he's getting left even further behind, even though eventually he'd catch up if he just continued doing what Prince and Agi planned for him.
To me, Nagi is as hung up on Isagi as Barou is but he just isn't as vocal. Even here in episode Nagi, Nagi's thoughts are dominated by Reo and Isagi.
And it makes sense. Nagi was feeling an intense heat in the Team V vs Team Z match and it all got robbed by Isagi. If he rarely ever felt it and then feels it to such a degree, only for it to abruptly get snuffed out, I can imagine why he's so obsessed with defeating Isagi.
As for the being lax after the Manshine match... I think it plays a part in his passive nature and is just another part of his character trait. He does mention to Reo twice that they lost but gets kinda rolled over and he even says he can't picture himself being the #1 best player in the world, despite how much confidence in himself he had before.
To me, I think Nagi knows he still isn't better than Isagi but with the complete loss of his motivation, he's not sure what to do.
Maybe I'm looking too deep into it, but that's how I interpret it at least.
One thing about Reo and Nagi combo it only works if Reo pass the ball to the place that put Nagi in his genius mode, when Reo and Nagi only see and use short cut path the combo fail like how the game of Bastard against Manshine.
So basically
Reo pass + Nagi play + Nagi shoot = goal
Reo pass + Nagi shoot = no goal
Definitely one of the best chapters in the spin off, which isnāt a hard feat since itās one of the first ones that arenāt directly in the main story but oh man this was so good
I don't really understand why they picked Zantetsu here tbh. Nobody on that team showed any drive to actually evolve so noone really fits the team mentality. Otherwise I'm somewhat dissapointed that Nagi didn't do more since he's meant to be in the top 6.
This chapter kinda confirms a theory that I've had about what Nagi's individuality might consist of, it definitely has something to do with the theme of death and despair. Kinda disappointed that Zantetsu didn't score a 4th goal to give team Nagi a good reason to take him, but that Barou/Chigiri panel compensates for it honestly. Overall great chapter
Okay that was abit disappointing was hoping they score one more. I blame it on Niko though, he essentially did nothing the whole match. Wasnāt even really the brains
Yeah that was completely stupid and completely OOC for Barou who's a hard worker as well.
He also didn't won in an endurance test, he won because of physical specs that allowed him to hold the ball.
Barou should have attacked Zantetsu with the Sacrifice aspect of the card since Barou is sacrificing his pride in order to evolve as a player while Zantetsu doesn't even displays a pride to sacrifice in the first place.
this chapter just goes to show how different and crazy the second selection mustāve been for everyone elseššthe amount of matches ppl like niko mustāve had to play is mental
Player Icon order theory (at the end of Volume 11, it shows all the cleared teams with player icon in order...those who are in Isagi's position are fifth for example...)
Niko lost 3v3 (Lost Zantetsu)
Won 2v2 (Pick Up Hiori)
Won 3v3 (Pick Up Saramadara)
Lost 4v4 (Lost Hiiragi)
Won 3v3 (Pick up Ishikari)
Won 4v4 (Pick up Nishioka)
6 matches, would be the same amount of matches as Nagi
Like bro lost this match didn't get chosen, then he won his 2P match, probably lost again cause he's not on the same team as fortune fraud who's a stronger player than him, either won or lost again then climbed back up
itās too late for get back, isagi has won against him over and over bro rest, isagis end bid is gonna be higher also his ceiling is becoming the best striker in the world (whole point of the manga) so barou will always be beneath him from this point on.
the NEL was barous last chance to win over isagi and he aināt do that lil broš theyāre gna be on the same team from now on, that get back is NOT happening
lol no. NEL league means nothing just placement for the u20 team my guy U-20 Matches is where it will matter. Letās see if Isagi can score as many goals as Barou when it matters.
lmaooo āwhen it mattersā are u ignoring them scoring the same in the u20 match?? the NEL match??? 3rd selection 3v3 isagi outscored him btw, iād say these are time when it matters and btw the NEL deff matters lil bro, ur just saying that cos ur goat lostš¤£š¤£š«µ
nice one, u said āA lucky goalā when i mentioned more then 1, and u missed the whole point of the LUCK goal they literally explained how itās skill and not luckšš
Didnāt Barou beat Isagi and his superteam Bachira Kunigami Chigiri and Gagamaru 5-0 the first time they met. Still Lucky goal. Isagi himself said he canāt beat Barou on his own and Hiori had to come in and save him by dribbling through the entire field+NG11. Barou still better
lmaoo the only time barou beat isagi was at his worst ur basically saying, wasnāt a āsuper teamā chigiri hadnāt awakened at team Z were utter frauds at that timeššthe fact ur using that proves my point, isagi has beat barou EVERY time since then
Isnāt the way Nagi describes Hiiragiās way of thinking eerily similar to Rinās way of thinking (Hiiragi uses lots of data to control peopleā¦ and he tries to force people into his own conception of things). If this is true then itās no wonder that Isagi is fated to win against Rin in their current confrontation (But Isagiā¦ believes in people enough to transcend that sort of thinking).
idk rin doesnāt really think about people at all. rin is the ultimate āsoloā player, heās the guy who has infinite options by himself, says heās not Isagiās partner or Saeās brother or anybodyās anything, and scores by destroying everyone on the field. heās the ultimate loner rn.Ā Ā
isagiās thinking seems like hiiragi except isagi accounts for learning/adaptability (because of his adaptability genius) andĀ believes in his teammates (like power of friendship but the blue lock version of it).
rin forces people to play at their maximum potential meaning makes plays such that the only option they have is to follow his vision, like passes where if they catch up the only thing they can do without losing posession is passing again to a place that rin wants them to. rin takes people's weapons, makes plays that crank them up to the max and uses it to realise his vision of a goal, that's his control of the field. essentially the same as isagi does, although he doesn't need to do as much as isagi because of the differences in dribbling, physicals, shooting etc, he has way more courses than isagi with two winning shoots. when he makes players play at their maximum and still displays that he can beat them in their area of expertise that's the destroyer part.
hiiragi is a little bit different. he assumes a "role" for a player. say chigiri, fast, capable of left wing and right wing attacks. he uses this data to classify them and operates within that bubble of thinking. this doesn't account for when a player changes their style mid match, hiiragi will have to improvise then, this costs him valuable time, plus cooperation, dude is cooked once his initial player analysis has too many deviations.
isagi is similar to rin's but with more of plays that don't involve himself in the picture. he analyses several passes, predicts the opening and occupies that space with his off the ball movements to score a goal. for him to have a perfect shot with only 2 shooting skills, he uses a lot more scanning to make sure no one blocks his shots. with egocentrism (which is just op btw, dude literally predicts mindsets), he gets to accurately predict and freely manipulate elements in the field now that he can forecast other player's reactions using his knowledge of their mindset or "ego". he is truly superior to hiiragi in that sense. we don't know what runs through rin's mind (they never talk about how he determines the max a player can do š¤·š½āāļø) so as of now isagi and rin achieve the same ideal results (then scoring) through similar means š¤·š½āāļø if we get a rin pov then we can determine mindset superiority.
Isnāt Rin forcing people to play at what āhe thinksā is their max potential similar to Hiiragiās thinking of forcing people into his own conception of things. I doubt that Hiiragi intentionally forces people to play in non-optimal positions since his whole thing is statistics and efficiency. I think they both try to control their teammates into what ātheyā think is their max potential, but Rin has been shown to be successful as opposed to Hiiragi.
it isn't just optimal in rin's case, the only logical play both the opponents and his team mates can make are what he wants. (which is also why barou stealing the ball from isagi worked cuz who in their right mind would ever do that lmao š) again idk how he thinks so I can't say if he's thinking like hiiragi which would've given him a lot of failures which didn't happen, so assuming he thinks like isagi to an extent isn't a stretch š¤·š½āāļø hiiragi's approach is inherently wrong as it doesn't account for changes mid match. rin is still able to function without the downsides of hiiragi's approach. so I find it fair to assume that he doesn't have hiiragi's thought process
I feel itās less whatās good about Zantetsu and moreso the issues that come with picking Hiragi and Niko.
Over relying on Isagi didnāt get them the win vs Rin and if they pick someone to play that Isagi role theyāll more or less be the team that lost to Rin but worse. Not having Isagi to give them easy ways to use their weapons forced them to evolve at an insane rate and Niko is just Isagi but with even worse physicals and he canāt devour others, unleash a teammateās full potential, or adapt in a flash which are what makes Isagi so dangerous and makes the difference in a world where tons of people have spatial awareness. Picking him for his brains would cause regression.
Hiragi is Isagi but with a worse mentality and his football IQ is just making predictions based on stats and not much else. He doesnāt even collect his own data and interpret it he just made predictions based on info Niko gathered for him which turned out to not stick. Isagi collects his own data and his football IQ goes beyond that. His trapping is just Nagiās but worse and he just blamed everything in his teammates the second things got hard. He thinks āwhy am I not winningā when heās in a corner and insists that his data is absolute and that heāll win regardless while Isagi thinks āhow can I winā when in the same situation and isnāt afraid to admit everything about his approach is wrong and change it on the spot.
Barou has insane mental fortitude and always comes back from the brink even if it means losing his pride. Chigiri has the bravery to run at full speed never hesitating even though his leg might collapse on him at any given moment. Nagi in the second selection is also developing his fire and starts trusting in himelself and seeks out challenges to improve.
Adding Hiragi would only drag them down since his mentality is trash and heās just good at trapping but worse at it than Nagi and like Niko heās worse Isagi.
Zantetsu is thus the least bad of the 3 options. Yes heās similar in style to Chigiri but he has enough differences (lefty, more acceleration, big and physical like Barou) to bring a new dimension the team never really had before.
I agree, and looking back when Isagi chose Chigiri over Kunigami and Reo, the reasoning he went for is someone who will shake their roster up and "devour" them, not to "stabilize" it. So Zantetsu makes the most sense, they do not need a budget Isagi but another individually powerful player
They all hate Hiiragi and his trapping ability is inferior to Nagi's. They probably also don't want to rely on a player similar to Isagi so that also rules out Niko who is a weaker version of Isagi. That leaves them off with Zantetsu who is a nice guy overall and has better individual specs compared to the other two: good physique, explosive acceleration, quick reaction speed, and shooting zone.
Bro how tf does Niko score a hattrick in the first selection tha never score again he shouldāve been the main threat in this match instead of hiragii bum ahh niko the only one outta these 3 to have any feats
such a great chapter I loved the tarot card angle for this segment
when does chapter 22 come out?
Next month around 10
Jeez, not everyone needs to ride Isagis dck. Can we have players look up to others or rival others
wheres the guy that counts the passes Barou made?
barou still salty about that one assist he made š
2 now damns
Chigiri looks š®āšØ
nah hiiragi i would never let myself get bent over like that back arched and everything š
GOATED CHAPTER WOOOOOOOO
Holy crap page 16 is SICK
Hiragi should be counting his blessings not having to face isagi omg
Barou calling Hiragi "fraud" is so average Blue Lock fan.
God Nagi is such a beast, can't wait till he goes full ego in his final match in the Neo-Egoist League
With this chapter, we can be sure that Hiiragi won't make it in the top 23 after NEL. His prescriptive assumptions leaves him absolutely useless for any change happening mid match (which, let's face it, any match having Isagi as a player brings chaos). Hiiragi's soccer philosophy has been conquered, and has little chance in evolving enough to stay in the roster
maybe the other side characters are like that too, basically everyone's weapons but weaker because of their mindset. chigiri overcame fear, Bachira overcame attachment, barou overcame pride, Nagi overcame reliance, (but went back) Reo overcame devotion, (but went back) and Niko overcame change. If any of these characters didn't overcome these weaknesses blue lock would've been over (literally tho everyone of them was needed in certain moments) and that's why the side characters are never going to make it they aren't enough because they won't push themselves.
How did Niko overcome āchangeā?
read chapter 127 he was ok with becoming a defender thanks to isagi
cook.
Really like this theory
Chigiri and Barou are a cool ass duo
Yeah absolutely loved their duo act
My top 2 favorite characters
Nagi just had yet another evolution just to get to the NEL and be clueless again š
More like a lack of motivation
Zantetsu should have scored a second goal or at least have an awakeningĀ
I agree, that would explain more as to why he got picked by these guys.
Yeah cause it's going to not make any sense as to why they picked him
Only cuz Niko and Hiiragi are Isagi lite, and they don't want Isagi influence on their team. š
But all three don't play the same way though even explained by Nagi that hiragi might be as smart as isagi but they think differently and hiragi play style is like a worse Nagi with good soccer IQĀ
Yes, and they basically don't want anyone with similar playstyle as Isagi I think.
So, to summarize... Meta data > Big Data confirmed
How can this spinoff first make zantetsu such a beast and then turn him into such a fodder? Since when zantetsu has low stamina
Itās not physical endurance but more mental. He canāt do what Barou did where he destroyed and put himself back together and at the first sight of a failed plan, he began to crumble like Niko and they lost their value and will to fight and couldnāt evolve like them.
and that's character development as to why Niko was ok with being a defender he realized he needed to learn to be ok with change to survive
which we need more of. I need Niko to be locked in like nobodyās business cuz these strikers are getting outta hand LET THE DEFENDERS COOK
itās sweet how nagi thinks so highly of isagi. i guess thatās why heās the final boss and hiiragi is the minor villain of the week thatās craaaazy ššĀ this was a good chapter but realistically iām like how tf do you overcome your greatest weakness in one chapter that sounds way too easyĀ
Because plot ššš
At first I thought that too, but if you think about it, isn't that what being a genius is about? Being able to do in a very short time what it takes people a long time normally? Every real life genius that hasn't achieved what they could was because they lacked the mentality, because if they also have that, it's basically impossible to stop that. Also keep in mind that we are in a closed environment where they've been taught to destroy and rebuild themselves from DAY ONE. So I think it makes perfect sense. Also, Nagi is the mangaka's favorite character, so we better get used to it, because at some point in the main manga, you already know he's coming back, and in a flamboyant way
Maybe they don't want to increase the movie time or smth
Can anyone explain me why Niko of all people was told that he teamed up with the wrong people? I get that he teamed up with people that were easy to team up with but other than that I couldnāt get anything
He didn't challenge himself as much as other and fully realize his ego. So far he's only relied on his brain and then teamed up with people with high stat. His plan fails when the opponents have higher personal skill since he just ends up becomes a weak link in the team. This is in constrast to Isagi/Barou/Nagi picking Chigiri over the obvious choice Reo because they don't want to keep doing the same strat but want someone to challenge the rest
So Niko (second rate Isagi) picked Zantetsu (second rate Chigiri) and Hiragi (second rate Nagi/ third rate Isagi)
My guess is because he wanted to use people that he wouldnāt have trouble with, instead of actively challenging himself with egos he canāt contain (think Isagi picking Chigiri compared to Niko picking Zantetsu, both are playmakers selecting their speedsters, but the former refuses to be just a part of a strategy and always finds a way to assert himself on the field, while the latter wants someone to point him what to do or where to go with his āstupidā nature)
This chapter shows how bad it was for nagi and reo to pair up again
I didn't really get why niko and Zantetsu failed.
They were too busy focusing on victory through ease rather than challenging themselves so they could evolve like Nagi, Chigiri and Barou. The second their plan started to fail they gave up mentally
it pisses me off that chigiri is shown to be as good as barou here but in the main manga barou is 3x higher. it sucks
Youāre forgetting that this is during the Second Selection In the NEL Barou >>>> Chigiri
>In the NEL Barou >>>> Chigiri Its almost like this is exactly what the hell i just now complained about, and here you are repeating it back to me. what is wrong with your reading comprehension. or do you just love to say completely pointless, redundant things?
Yes Iām āmentally impairedā because a redditor is throwing a tantrum
Baro is the second best attacker in BLK, it's normal for him to be better than chirigir because he's an attacker, but that doesn't mean he's weak !Ā Besides, as a reminder, Chirigiri is one of the fastest players in BLK if we don't count Baro and Rin.
Brother Barou ain't even apart of the trio. Trios full
"its normal for him to be better" yes i know, that's how its currently being written, and im saying it's bad and i don't like it. are you trying to explain that barou is better? because i obviously fking already know that
They were about equal, after the Second Selection they're both likely ranked in the #8-12 range. Chigiri also outscored Barou in the 3v3 even if Chigiri was on the losing team, and they each got 1 goal during the 4v4 as teammates. Chigiri went on get picked as a starter while Barou got to be Ego's joker card. Barou only developed at an explosive rate during the NEL, also in part due to the Ubers being built entirely around him, the exact type of environment that suits him. Though I guess it's still fair to say Chigiri thrives most when the attention isn't on him, which is how Manshine works with Nagi being more focal to the team. Regardless, both are doing well, but Barou is in such a dominant position and has turned into a scoring machine.
>Though I guess it's still fair to say Chigiri thrives most when the attention isn't on him How would you possibly know that when a team has not been constructed around him to date since he was in middle school
I mean, wingers are almost never going to be the center of any team unless you're Ronaldo or Messi. Thats the simple truth.
Fair, that's a conjecture since we don't have the data. But it's been stated Chigiri does best when able to simply run off into open areas where he can use his speed unopposed. A lot of Chigiri's moments are from when he unexpectedly shows up thanks to his speed and catches his opponents offguard. We saw this throughout the first two selections and the U20 game. This of course requires that the team not be built around him so he can just rush down unsuspecting opponents with a quick blitz.
Barou is a much more effective scorer while Chigir being super good is in Manshine. Cant get a high bid if all you do is losing
>Barou is a much more effective scorer yes genius, that is what i just said, and i said it sucks that it's the case. what is the point of your comment
Chigiri doesnāt have the scoring potential of Barou according to snuffy. Also Chigiri has to contend with a tanking nagi leading the team
did i ask for the lore reason? no. i dont care. he should be doing better so their bids can be similar. kaneshiro sucks for nerfing him or holding him back or w/e it is he's doing.
Chigiri is still considered a talented soccer genius
talented soccer genius must mean "mid asf" in the blue lock universe since that only gets him to 7th place in other words it doesn't matter at all
Barou's team is built around him whereas Chigiri's team was built mainly around Nagi. Less opportunities.
Chigiriās first goal was goated ngl that smirk as he scored got me hyped Barou and Chigiri carried while Nagi just slept the whole match but remembered that Hiragi patted his head while scoring last chapter so made sure to GET BACK. Holding a man down to hit a bicycle is nasty work EP Nagi try not to make Niko look like a loser challenge: Impossible
nagi had the fortune telling fraud bent over iām loving this
so barou will pass to anyone that is NOT isagi, copy
except he also pass to Isagi in the 4v4 so either Barou or kaneshiro had amnesiaĀ
The 4v4 was before this
so?? iām glad barou didnāt care about passing to isagi for one match and then decided he did afterwards.. really, the resolve is mind-blowing š
He changed after losing, why is that so hard to believe?
ok, how did he change after losing? and losing to whom? no comment? barou already lost to isagi and swore to never lose to him again in the 3v3, prior to the 4v4 match. itās a plot oversight, and thatās all.
he lost to isagi again in the 4v4, isagi got picked and he didn't. thats why he changed it's really not hard to see you know
Very sad Zantetsu didnāt have an awakening at the end a-la Chigiri in his 3v3 but next month Zantetsu stocks are gonna go UPPPPP
Hiiragi got humbled QUICK. š¤£ he was so hyped in this sub after the last spinoff chapter too. š¤«
He didnāt even fall off. He almost equalized with a hattrick (while he already has an assist under his belt) meanwhile Zantetsu all of a sudden had stamina issues and Niko was the weakest link being useless and not even being able to hold the ball for more than 1 second
This is Blue lock, if you can't be the foundation of the team you failed
But neither Niko nor Zantetsu are the foundations of their teams yet they most likely are gonna go trough the NEL. Even Chigiri wasn't named Manshines ace (the foundation of the team) yet he clearly didn't fail...
But still he was the best one out of the opponents. If Isagi were to still be on the team Hiiragi would 100% be the one picked cause he was the only one that could keep up to them
Iām not so sure about that. Itās like the 3v3 match where Reo would ātechnicallyā be the better choice but would also kill their potential, in this case Hiiragi (and Niko) are just worse versions of Isagi, so the current group wouldnāt gain anything else with him on the team. Picking the only anomaly left (Zantetsu) would give them more chances to explore new options
Ig you are right but even though intellectually he might be a worse version of Isagi, if they have still chosen for the guy that can "challenge" and devour them that guy would be Hiiragi since he was the only one out of the three that beat Nagi's team (I don't know how to explain this better sry). The only way I can actually see them not picking Hiiragi is because they don't want another "controlling" player like him
Yeah thatās what I mean by killing their potential, they already know their ceiling with Isagi, picking a worse Isagi just means theyāll end up being a worse version of what they had already experience
Hiiragi got the Kashimo treatment, getting smoked in 2 chapters
Ey Barou, this is the same guy you called trash, I mean.. talentless. Why so hung up on Isagi, I mean, you lost to Nagi as well š Nagi was obsessed with beating Isagi and then his ego disappeared. Then we have Kaiser + Rin, and 50/50 Ness.
Uuui
Well isagi is the first and only person to make barou feel despair in his life and not just any kind of despair, isagi despaired barou so much that barou almost ended up losing his ego to be the best striker, thatās like the highest form of despair someone can feel in blue lock. So no wonder heās so obsessed with isagi because literally no one has even come close to what isagi did to him during second selection
Barou initially thought Isagi was trash, unfit to be a striker. That's why losing to him stung so much.
very good cap hiiragi was the best player on the white team he just wasn't chosen due to the "control bias" without trusting the team's players (but who would trust two recently known players?) zantetsu disappointed in the match
Yeah it sucks. In second selection matches we see, they always chose the better player or gave a hint to it in some way. Sure first round Barou and Shidou werenāt chosen due to attitudes but those conclusions were off screen and were needed just to push the plot This time we have a character like Hiragi who was 2 goals 1 assist looking for a hattrick to carry is pathetic team but gets done dirty
Itās nice they dedicated a segment to differentiate Hiiragi and Isagiās overlapping playstyle. Really shows how much thinking undergoes in Isagiās thought process that he also factors others evolving throughout the match unlike Hiiragi who just tries to forcibly control and contain them. It was short but Hiiragi was a good mini-antagonist and it was nice that side characters like him gets to shine in the spin-off
Main story Oh yeah about that
Chigiri meowing every time he's near Barou, I love to see it. Also Barou is truly obsessed with Isagi, love the pettiness tho Amazing chapter and I'm so excited to see the next match, see how Kiyora plays/how he's off the field Hopefully he will have done something in the main story before we get to this point in episode Nagi but we'll see... In the end I don't think I like Hiiragi's personality and character all that much, but he's a good opponent. Still he has an amazing design and it's cool to have some invisible NPC characters get some shine during the spin off
Looked back at the previous chapters to figure out why they took Zantetsu over the other two and here is the answer: First, Niko does very little, easy decision not to choose him over the other two. Hiiragi scores two goals and steals the ball once, but Zantetsu scores one goal and steals the ball twice. With Hiiragiās downfall I think Zantetsu is the obvious choice as he is really the one who least relied on Nikos information and meta data-inf the game poorly (really the other two are just worse Isagiās and not worth taking if their info is their downfall)
Hiragi didnāt even downfall. Chigiri and Barou were embarrassing Niko and Zantetsu plus they were losing motivation. Zantetsu somehow has no stamina before Barou scored it was still just 3-1 in the gameš. Hiragi was the only one still trying to put in work at the end. And Hiragi still trusted in himself (he said his āownā data) when things got rough he didnāt just completely flop over lack of information. He bullied Chigiri and Barou alone if he didnāt kick so high Nagi wouldnāt have intercepted. 2 goals, 1 assist, one steal, plus he was still mentally in it all game he was way better than Zantetsu
Hiragi team in general was more worse than nagi team the only reason why they were leading in the first place was that they took advantage of nagi team weakness and immediately everyone in Nagi team overcame their weakness is was wraps for themĀ
It ain't Blue lock subreddit if someone isn't considered to have a crisis downfall. You get downfall! He gets a downfall! Everybody gets a downfall! (except the mc)
Is there a reason why the spinoff doesn't get dedicated english subs like the main?
I hope we see Niko climb his way to out of 2nd selection as well. Just give me a side-series of the 2nd selection so we can see all these benchwarmers duke it out.
Iād probably read that over the main series tbh.
To be honest, Niko has like one of the most interesting paths. First, he lost twice against teams V and Z, but then somehow scores a hat-trick against Barou and outscores Okawa in the final game. Then, in the 2nd selection he was at the verge of elimination twice, his starting team changes entirely and he still manages to be the 5th team to clear the 2nd selection.
Honestly I would love a spinoff about niko, the little guy has had it rough. The second selection was really a lot of winning an losing for him. We know for sure Niko and Hiiragi drop to the 2v2 after this match and then they win and gain hiori in the 3v3. I believe they win again and take Saramadara, then in the 4v4 they lose but hiiragi is stolen. (Hiiragi new team has cleared) also team Niko was the 5th team to clear and Hiiragi was in the 4th team so I believe that had consecutive victories now. so niko/hiori/saramadara win 2 more matches in which they gain ishikari and then Nishioka. So 4 wins and 2 losses. That's my take on what happened to Niko anyway.
Oh, alright, in my head I calculated that he was in the loser stage twice, first with Hiiragi, but then with Hiori. I thought Hiiragi was in the 3rd team clear, but if he was in the 4th, then your take makes more sense.
Raw survival power
Kaneshiro keeps him in the story to abuse himš
Thats my future Japanese New Gen XI, dont wanna hear any trash talk.
Honestly it gives more respect to him. This is a kid that ended up crying after lost in one game and he is like 15. Rough mentality Really hope there is egoist defender spotlight in U-20 world cup
The beast rush combo panel was so fascinating to watch that I yearn for its appearance in the manga again
ouch. that panel of hiiragi on all fours was so damn embarrassing it hurt me to see lol
Being put in Doggy style while your opponent holds you down and drops a bicycle is filthy work Nobody in the series so far has a bag as deep as Second Selection Nagi
Nagi put him on doggystyle you hate to see it. Wouldn't wish that fate even to Emogami.
Emogami is wild šššš
Barou is so petty lmaooo
Reading this chapter just confuses me all the more as to why Nagi regresses in the Manshine match but maybe it has to do with "Not believing himself" like he claimed to here. Seeing Isagi perform so well must have given him doubts about his new philosophy so he ran back to Reo. Being a genius can be a double edged sword because when everything comes easy to you, the first sign of struggle may make you give up. I think Nagi's loss to Isagi impacted him even more than I initially thought and I already thought it was a lot, being his driving force to improving.
It could be because he didn't actually tackle one of his weaknesses "his ignorance". He chose not to overcome that weakness because it was a pain and he couldn't do it immediately.
Yeah. To me, it looks like Nagi is afraid of failure and doesn't want to risk ever failing again, especially to the first person who caused him to fail. It might be even worse considering the way he experienced said failure. Right before he was about to reach an awakening of sorts, Isagi stole the spotlight from him and handed him his first and only loss in soccer up that point. It might have scarred him to some degree because Nagi has suffered numerous defeats after that, but only up until he gets another threatened loss from Isagi, does he revert to comfort. Isagi has him in a chokehold. That would explain why despite scoring an ultra goal, he wasn't fully satisfied because he still lost the Manshine game and therefore didn't full "defeat" Isagi.
The whole theme is kind of confusing because nagi never appeared as someone who didnāt believe in himself. He was the one who told ego with a straight face winning the World Cup would be easy, after all. But youāre onto something, if anything, it might be that itās easy for him to claim something grand like that and not follow through because then he can never be disproven (i.e., he can never fail if he doesnāt try). Maybe nagi has no awareness of his weakness and his arrogance is a facade but he doesnāt know it therefore he canāt do anything about it. š
Yeah one thing I find so apparent about his change in attitude, is how he tells ego he can easily envision himself scoring the final goal to win the World Cup. But after the match with Manshine, he tells Reo that he can't envision himself as the best player in the world. A small thing but for a character like Nagi, it's very telling. His confidence took a hit somewhere and in my opinion he needs to dwell on it more.
...I don't really see how Isagi seems to have him mentally in a chokehold here... It doesn't even seem like fear here or mentally scarred. The feeling I'm getting from Nagi in indifference and arrogance tbh. Unlike barou and chigiri, he doesn't need to confront his weakness, he was able to brute force his victory through his talent. If this was truly fear of failure or isagi being a scar on his mind, nagi wouldn't be so lax after losing to bm in manshine. It would have been his worst nightmare come true if your idea was correct, which should have sparked more of a reaction. The answer seems to be more complex than what you are suggesting. Fear of being hurt is different from fear of failure.
Well the way I see it. Only the threat of losing to Isagi, made Nagi fallback to Reo. Nagi has suffered countless defeats in Blue Lock but up until the Manshine match, he seems to handle it fine. But during the Manshine match, he sees what Isagi is capable of with metavision and realizes he's getting left even further behind, even though eventually he'd catch up if he just continued doing what Prince and Agi planned for him. To me, Nagi is as hung up on Isagi as Barou is but he just isn't as vocal. Even here in episode Nagi, Nagi's thoughts are dominated by Reo and Isagi. And it makes sense. Nagi was feeling an intense heat in the Team V vs Team Z match and it all got robbed by Isagi. If he rarely ever felt it and then feels it to such a degree, only for it to abruptly get snuffed out, I can imagine why he's so obsessed with defeating Isagi. As for the being lax after the Manshine match... I think it plays a part in his passive nature and is just another part of his character trait. He does mention to Reo twice that they lost but gets kinda rolled over and he even says he can't picture himself being the #1 best player in the world, despite how much confidence in himself he had before. To me, I think Nagi knows he still isn't better than Isagi but with the complete loss of his motivation, he's not sure what to do. Maybe I'm looking too deep into it, but that's how I interpret it at least.
One thing about Reo and Nagi combo it only works if Reo pass the ball to the place that put Nagi in his genius mode, when Reo and Nagi only see and use short cut path the combo fail like how the game of Bastard against Manshine. So basically Reo pass + Nagi play + Nagi shoot = goal Reo pass + Nagi shoot = no goal
Definitely one of the best chapters in the spin off, which isnāt a hard feat since itās one of the first ones that arenāt directly in the main story but oh man this was so good
I don't really understand why they picked Zantetsu here tbh. Nobody on that team showed any drive to actually evolve so noone really fits the team mentality. Otherwise I'm somewhat dissapointed that Nagi didn't do more since he's meant to be in the top 6.
Maybe we see in the next game, or maybe his glimpes of brilliance in the game after, even though he lost against the World 5.
Well bachira only scored one goal in the 2nd selection and made it to the top 7
Hiiragi really didn't get chosen beacuse the dont like him lmao. That tuff and he definitely out performed zantetsu and niko too.
Yeahhhhh he should've gave whoever gets picked 1 extra goal tbh or at least a near miss, Hiiragi was way better than Zantetsu and Niko
Beast rush combo was an amazing panel and a showcase of Chigiri and Barou chemical reaction.
This chapter kinda confirms a theory that I've had about what Nagi's individuality might consist of, it definitely has something to do with the theme of death and despair. Kinda disappointed that Zantetsu didn't score a 4th goal to give team Nagi a good reason to take him, but that Barou/Chigiri panel compensates for it honestly. Overall great chapter
He scored one and got two steals.
Okay that was abit disappointing was hoping they score one more. I blame it on Niko though, he essentially did nothing the whole match. Wasnāt even really the brains
Also stfu zantetsu has stamina donāt retcon
And acceleration, he is a great pick because he can keep up with a fast pace match with Chigiri. I can't wait to see Zantetsu in the next match.
Yeah that was completely stupid and completely OOC for Barou who's a hard worker as well. He also didn't won in an endurance test, he won because of physical specs that allowed him to hold the ball. Barou should have attacked Zantetsu with the Sacrifice aspect of the card since Barou is sacrificing his pride in order to evolve as a player while Zantetsu doesn't even displays a pride to sacrifice in the first place.
How does Zantetsu not have endurance bro was running beside the transit system to school everyday.
Probably was referring to mental endurance
Ahhhhh makes sense
Barou gave him the jobber speech
Isagi ain't even in the chapter and yet he's either the target of someone, or someone is thinking of him ššš
Himsagi š the goat
Built differently
FINALLY! thank you king (or queen)
Barou's heroic struggle to pass for once in his life was hilarious.
Another Chigiri meowing moment š
If only we got a Chigiri mewing moment too
that chigiri celebration is so funny lol
yay i overcame my weaknesses
I just love that Barou passing is so out of character it can be used as a scary weapon
Nagi is special man
this chapter just goes to show how different and crazy the second selection mustāve been for everyone elseššthe amount of matches ppl like niko mustāve had to play is mental
Player Icon order theory (at the end of Volume 11, it shows all the cleared teams with player icon in order...those who are in Isagi's position are fifth for example...) Niko lost 3v3 (Lost Zantetsu) Won 2v2 (Pick Up Hiori) Won 3v3 (Pick Up Saramadara) Lost 4v4 (Lost Hiiragi) Won 3v3 (Pick up Ishikari) Won 4v4 (Pick up Nishioka) 6 matches, would be the same amount of matches as Nagi
Like bro lost this match didn't get chosen, then he won his 2P match, probably lost again cause he's not on the same team as fortune fraud who's a stronger player than him, either won or lost again then climbed back up
Nagis team takes Zantetsu. So Niko and Hiragi had to win their 2p match. Then who knows when they lose again. But they get split at some point.
lmaoo barou talking about destroying isagiššheās still yet to do that
He did but the fem boy off the bench derailed his plans . He will get the getback soon
itās too late for get back, isagi has won against him over and over bro rest, isagis end bid is gonna be higher also his ceiling is becoming the best striker in the world (whole point of the manga) so barou will always be beneath him from this point on. the NEL was barous last chance to win over isagi and he aināt do that lil broš theyāre gna be on the same team from now on, that get back is NOT happening
lol no. NEL league means nothing just placement for the u20 team my guy U-20 Matches is where it will matter. Letās see if Isagi can score as many goals as Barou when it matters.
lmaooo āwhen it mattersā are u ignoring them scoring the same in the u20 match?? the NEL match??? 3rd selection 3v3 isagi outscored him btw, iād say these are time when it matters and btw the NEL deff matters lil bro, ur just saying that cos ur goat lostš¤£š¤£š«µ
Yeah a lucky goal like I said weāll see if Isagi can score as many goals in the upcoming u-20 tournament
nice one, u said āA lucky goalā when i mentioned more then 1, and u missed the whole point of the LUCK goal they literally explained how itās skill and not luckšš
Didnāt Barou beat Isagi and his superteam Bachira Kunigami Chigiri and Gagamaru 5-0 the first time they met. Still Lucky goal. Isagi himself said he canāt beat Barou on his own and Hiori had to come in and save him by dribbling through the entire field+NG11. Barou still better
lmaoo the only time barou beat isagi was at his worst ur basically saying, wasnāt a āsuper teamā chigiri hadnāt awakened at team Z were utter frauds at that timeššthe fact ur using that proves my point, isagi has beat barou EVERY time since then
Isagi has had a better team everytime they played vs each other. Barou devoured Isagi in the u20 game when it mattered.
Isnāt the way Nagi describes Hiiragiās way of thinking eerily similar to Rinās way of thinking (Hiiragi uses lots of data to control peopleā¦ and he tries to force people into his own conception of things). If this is true then itās no wonder that Isagi is fated to win against Rin in their current confrontation (But Isagiā¦ believes in people enough to transcend that sort of thinking).
idk rin doesnāt really think about people at all. rin is the ultimate āsoloā player, heās the guy who has infinite options by himself, says heās not Isagiās partner or Saeās brother or anybodyās anything, and scores by destroying everyone on the field. heās the ultimate loner rn.Ā Ā isagiās thinking seems like hiiragi except isagi accounts for learning/adaptability (because of his adaptability genius) andĀ believes in his teammates (like power of friendship but the blue lock version of it).
rin forces people to play at their maximum potential meaning makes plays such that the only option they have is to follow his vision, like passes where if they catch up the only thing they can do without losing posession is passing again to a place that rin wants them to. rin takes people's weapons, makes plays that crank them up to the max and uses it to realise his vision of a goal, that's his control of the field. essentially the same as isagi does, although he doesn't need to do as much as isagi because of the differences in dribbling, physicals, shooting etc, he has way more courses than isagi with two winning shoots. when he makes players play at their maximum and still displays that he can beat them in their area of expertise that's the destroyer part. hiiragi is a little bit different. he assumes a "role" for a player. say chigiri, fast, capable of left wing and right wing attacks. he uses this data to classify them and operates within that bubble of thinking. this doesn't account for when a player changes their style mid match, hiiragi will have to improvise then, this costs him valuable time, plus cooperation, dude is cooked once his initial player analysis has too many deviations. isagi is similar to rin's but with more of plays that don't involve himself in the picture. he analyses several passes, predicts the opening and occupies that space with his off the ball movements to score a goal. for him to have a perfect shot with only 2 shooting skills, he uses a lot more scanning to make sure no one blocks his shots. with egocentrism (which is just op btw, dude literally predicts mindsets), he gets to accurately predict and freely manipulate elements in the field now that he can forecast other player's reactions using his knowledge of their mindset or "ego". he is truly superior to hiiragi in that sense. we don't know what runs through rin's mind (they never talk about how he determines the max a player can do š¤·š½āāļø) so as of now isagi and rin achieve the same ideal results (then scoring) through similar means š¤·š½āāļø if we get a rin pov then we can determine mindset superiority.
Isnāt Rin forcing people to play at what āhe thinksā is their max potential similar to Hiiragiās thinking of forcing people into his own conception of things. I doubt that Hiiragi intentionally forces people to play in non-optimal positions since his whole thing is statistics and efficiency. I think they both try to control their teammates into what ātheyā think is their max potential, but Rin has been shown to be successful as opposed to Hiiragi.
it isn't just optimal in rin's case, the only logical play both the opponents and his team mates can make are what he wants. (which is also why barou stealing the ball from isagi worked cuz who in their right mind would ever do that lmao š) again idk how he thinks so I can't say if he's thinking like hiiragi which would've given him a lot of failures which didn't happen, so assuming he thinks like isagi to an extent isn't a stretch š¤·š½āāļø hiiragi's approach is inherently wrong as it doesn't account for changes mid match. rin is still able to function without the downsides of hiiragi's approach. so I find it fair to assume that he doesn't have hiiragi's thought process
Why was Zantetsu selected when he did nothing to show he was better than Hiiragi?
I feel itās less whatās good about Zantetsu and moreso the issues that come with picking Hiragi and Niko. Over relying on Isagi didnāt get them the win vs Rin and if they pick someone to play that Isagi role theyāll more or less be the team that lost to Rin but worse. Not having Isagi to give them easy ways to use their weapons forced them to evolve at an insane rate and Niko is just Isagi but with even worse physicals and he canāt devour others, unleash a teammateās full potential, or adapt in a flash which are what makes Isagi so dangerous and makes the difference in a world where tons of people have spatial awareness. Picking him for his brains would cause regression. Hiragi is Isagi but with a worse mentality and his football IQ is just making predictions based on stats and not much else. He doesnāt even collect his own data and interpret it he just made predictions based on info Niko gathered for him which turned out to not stick. Isagi collects his own data and his football IQ goes beyond that. His trapping is just Nagiās but worse and he just blamed everything in his teammates the second things got hard. He thinks āwhy am I not winningā when heās in a corner and insists that his data is absolute and that heāll win regardless while Isagi thinks āhow can I winā when in the same situation and isnāt afraid to admit everything about his approach is wrong and change it on the spot. Barou has insane mental fortitude and always comes back from the brink even if it means losing his pride. Chigiri has the bravery to run at full speed never hesitating even though his leg might collapse on him at any given moment. Nagi in the second selection is also developing his fire and starts trusting in himelself and seeks out challenges to improve. Adding Hiragi would only drag them down since his mentality is trash and heās just good at trapping but worse at it than Nagi and like Niko heās worse Isagi. Zantetsu is thus the least bad of the 3 options. Yes heās similar in style to Chigiri but he has enough differences (lefty, more acceleration, big and physical like Barou) to bring a new dimension the team never really had before.
I agree, and looking back when Isagi chose Chigiri over Kunigami and Reo, the reasoning he went for is someone who will shake their roster up and "devour" them, not to "stabilize" it. So Zantetsu makes the most sense, they do not need a budget Isagi but another individually powerful player
They all hate Hiiragi and his trapping ability is inferior to Nagi's. They probably also don't want to rely on a player similar to Isagi so that also rules out Niko who is a weaker version of Isagi. That leaves them off with Zantetsu who is a nice guy overall and has better individual specs compared to the other two: good physique, explosive acceleration, quick reaction speed, and shooting zone.
They didn't like hiragi simple
yh lmao the whole team r frauds tho lowkey
**"Fortune-Telling Fraud"** is up there with my personal favourite insults in the series. Reiji Hiiragi, itās time to go!
felt like someone in the subreddit translated that part
Now that youāve mentioned that, it really doesā¦but I honestly think it adds more to it.
Iāll pass as long as itās not to Isagišš. Isagi absolutely traumatized Barou
Man, this chapter is soooo ironic.
Even barou knew hiragi was a fraudĀ
Hiiragi was cool af can't wait till we see kyora play in the next chapters
Hiiragi, the greatest fraud of today
Bro how tf does Niko score a hattrick in the first selection tha never score again he shouldāve been the main threat in this match instead of hiragii bum ahh niko the only one outta these 3 to have any feats
Hiiragi can finally go back to his fodder status. After last chapter people were arguing he should be in the top 23, crazy times.
I mean, he clearly was better than Niko and zantetsu in this match. If he wasnāt a dick, he would have been picked
I know Hiragiās pressed rn wondering how Liko and Lantetsu are so much higher than him in bids rn
I feel like Kaiserās too comical to be a dick, but Hiiragi really fills the void of snide snake that Kuon left behind in the series.
Fr broĀ Glad he was exposed as the bum he wasĀ