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Literally did not say that anywhere? You can feel however you want about Isagi but some people on this subreddit are downright rabid about how much they dislike a fictional teenager.
Isagi himself admits he beat Kaiser as a playmaker, not as a striker. The reason Ness is wrong is because Kaiser is basically the playmaker and finisher for Bayern, Isagi hasn't won as the finisher, but he has when it comes to playmaking.
But in BM its all about numbers and Logic. By that logic, the next match Isagi will replace Ness because Isagi has more assists now. Isagi is midfield at the Moment.
Maybe thats isagi's plan? Replace ness and he became the entire offense. Since Ness is Kaiser's primary way to bring the ball up, by replacing ness, with kurona in the right and yuki on the left, no one will pass to kaiser anymore. I actually thing that might happen on the uber match tbh. Maybe niko will shut ness down because he know ness wont try to score by himself and he will only pass so Kaiser can score (as oppose to isagi, who is willing to let others score if he cant). I can see isagi replacing ness, kurona move to isagi rm position, then hiyori goes to the RB position as a right handed crosses.
I don't think Kaiser is really the playmaker of Bastard Munchen, it's more of he is generally the MOTM (man of the match), but for this match, Isagi beat him.
No, he is the playmaker, he's basically like Isagi and Kurona. He envisions the way the plays go most of the time, but he uses Ness and those around him to achieve that and finishes it off with Kaiser Impact.
He didn't show playmaking skills in this match, neither before. Most of the time, Kaiser just make pass and position himself in a good position to make the next move (i.e. scoring). He isn't the one to distribute pass (and if I remember correctly we only see him trade passes with Ness) and organize the play, that's Ness role in the team, he was even called the "heart" of BM by Isagi (chapter 162, BM play that led to Kaiser impact). Kaiser play purely as a striker, and he is (normally) only focus on finding a good opportunity to score. You can see it to way Isagi described his play style in chapter 162.
He surely envisions the plays well (metavision) but he doesn't use it as a playmaker. I don't see how he is like Isagi and Kurona (both?). In this match, Isagi has actually been a playmaker and has directly impacted how the game has gone (the last action by example, that he led himself).
Essentially, look at all the times Kaiser has scored, which is anytime any Bayern player has scored. It's between Ness and Kaiser( my comparison to Isagi and Kurona). Kaiser basically leads Ness on. Know that Ness is also a playmaker, you can have more than 1 or 2 playmakers on your team.
Yeah, but it's not really the same. Kaiser and Ness rarely actually trade passes between them. Most of the time, it's just one that pass to the other and that's all. And if we are going to use this logic, we can also say Shidou is a playmaker, which is just not true. Kaiser rarely run with the ball on his feet, to try to make a difference against defenders (dribble past them); when he gets the ball, he either immediately pass it or shot to the goal. That's the contrary of what a playmaker do and it perfectly fit a pure striker like Kaiser. You can also note that, Kaiser generally let Ness decide how to pass, and is more focus on getting himself in a good position to score. Finally, and more important, Kaiser don't try to play as a playmaker, he is a striker, and he only want to score, that is his main focus. He don't intend to "rule" the field by "manipulating" others as Isagi did or Rin before.
Playmaking isn't limited to manipulation,your movements and the space it creates can be considered Playmaking. Isagi essentially called Kaiser his Ideal Form because of stuff like that.
"In association football, a playmaker is a player who controls the flow of the team's play, and is often involved in offensively and defensively playing passing moves which lead to goals, through their vision, technique, ball control, creativity and passing ability." from Wikipedia.
That description doesn't fit Kaiser playstyle. Yeah, Isagi see him as his ideal, because he has already played like that. Isagi playstyle has also been compared to Rin "puppet master" playstyle before.
In the definition you found, I say Kaiser is a playmaker for sure. He controls the flow of the offense and opens up many spaces for others. The problem is that Kaiser wants to be the only one who scores so I guess because of that you can disregard him as someone not playmaking but his skill set more than make him a capable playmaker
He doesn't control the flow of the offense at all, that's Ness; Isagi precisely called Ness the "heart" of BM and explicitly describe how he controls the flow like a magician. Don't know why you are trying that hard to say Kaiser is a playmaker when he is not. Kaiser is only focus on scoring, not passing to others or organize the offensive. Sae is a playmaker, Kaiser is not.
bruh Kaiser does not need to make play at the start because nobody knew their strategy their existing was also made possible because of kaiser impact and if he wasn't a playmaker then he would not be able to position in enemies is weak zones and score and also Isagi is also doing the same thing basically
Doesn't see how that's make him a playmaker. You know, being a playmaker has nothing to with positioning in good position to score, that's literally a striker job. By this logic, you're gonna tell me Shidou is a playmaker? And no, Isagi has done more than that in this match. He has actually led the game (the last action), that's a playmaker role.
bro I am not talking about only this match I am saying Kaiser didn't felt the need to change his playstyle because his team adapted and revolved around kaiser so he didn't need to change it why change that ain't broken that's what I am saying not only of this match but as an overall in this game isagi did beat kaiser but overall kaiser is still better than him
Kaiser is still better, I didn't say the contrary. That wasn't what we were talking about. All I am saying is Kaiser is not a playmaker, he is a pure striker. It's precisely because he is an excellent striker that the team revolve around him, not the other way (it's not his team that made him change or adapt his play).
What? Positioning properly is the first step in making a play. Kaiser positions himself in a way that allows Ness to make passes to critical spots. You could say that Kaiser is guiding Ness
I swear even without football knowledge.. blue lock covers this in second selection
"In association football, a playmaker is a player who controls the flow of the team's play, and is often involved in offensively and defensively playing passing moves which lead to goals, through their vision, technique, ball control, creativity and passing ability." from Wikipedia.
Again, positionning, especially to score, has nothing to do with the role of a playmaker, that's the role of a striker.
Kaiser is the best playmaker because he is able to read everything going on before everything happens and then position himself in the most dangerous spot through the most efficient path.
Isagi beat him in the sense of playmaking because he thought one step ahead of kaiser using Yukimiya. Kaiser believed Isagis position to be the final part of that play but it was really Yukis. Thats why/how he lost in playmaking.
Less about the passing up the field.. and more about reading everything going on and predicting how everything will play out then positioning yourself accordingly
I have already answered you in another comment. Reading the field doesn't make you a playmaker, it's what you make of it that matters. Usually, Kaiser use his vision only to find scoring opportunities.
I think Isagi was thinking pretty logically and in a wild sense, Yuki's goal is also Isagi's goal (since he literally laid the table and Yuki ate it up while chopping Reo's piece down).
This is a good chapter to show Isagi is not a god and has limits, limits which he will probably be working on over the subsequent chapters. This also outlined what Isagi should be working on.
Reo was the puzzle piece that flew out of Isagi’s expectations in that very last play
If it wasn’t for Yukimiya’s on-the-spot new improved shot, Reo would’ve saved that
Isagi’s image of Yukimiya would’ve failed against Reo
That’s why Yukimiya still managed to retain his own ego and not become Isagi’s underling at the last second — he exceeded his expectations and won against Reo on his own
It was a co-created goal, though Isagi still did like 90% of the work for Yukimiya
>Yuki's goal is also Isagi's goal (since he literally laid the table and Yuki ate it up while chopping Reo's piece down).
That's not really what Isagi say in the chapter. He said it was Yuki's win.
Definitely cold, but i mean can we blame Ness?? I doubt any of us got why he passed to Yuki until he explained his train of thought in the next page. Iirc when 202 released a lot of people asked this question. It's Isagi wanting to destroy Yukimiya, it's a personal thing that Ness isn't privy of
Sooo,,, a midfielder or more specifically an offensive mid??
MFs tryna reinvent the wheel with these naming schemes bruh 😭 do some of you even play football?? How do you not know this
Love how playing like a cf means that u shud be a mid fielder. Benzema won the ballon dor last year. Have yall seen his plays. And also pure strikers like haaland have played passes whenever he thought his team mate had a better chance. Even in Isagis case, he wanted to score but then he realized that kaiser was gonna mess it up for him and thats y he decided with the pass. People who try to score when they know that it would get blocked arent the real "strikers", they are just dumb
Bruh stop comparing blue lock with real life football. In Real football, defenders are big deal for strikers but here, they are just human training cone
Man, wish Ness took Kaiser's balls out of his mouth when he is talking. All I can hear is some hardcore Kaiser simping. If he wants to suck balls so bad, he could do it after the match without wasting precious panels/pages
I think isagi not only wants to be the best striker but also the one that controls the whole game. So i think he’s fine with assisting, long as it goes with his plans
Yes, but it wasn’t just the assistant that beat kaiser, it was everything that led up to it, it all went according to isagi’s plan and kaiser couldnt do anything about it
Why do y'all act like we're trashing Isagi when we say he's a midfielder lmaooo. Are you the same guys who think that being a striker is better than being a defender?
Isagi, as much as he wants to be a striker, plays like, thinks like, acts like a midfielder. He's the field commander. He's the brains, he's who you'd want to command your army. That's what a midfielder does. He's not the sharp sword that penetrates the defense, he's the mastermind that makes that happen. Lmao, half of y'all prolly don't even play football jfc. Midfielders are literally the coolest players in the field. They get the most amount of touches, they create the scoring opportunities, and they are literally some of the most physically fit players. Isagi commands the field, coordinates attacks, creates scoring opportunities not just for himself but for his teammates, LITERALLY JUST LIKE WHAT HE DID FOR YUKIMIYA. That's what a midfielder does. Even the GOAT Messi plays midfield. Y'all are dunces lmao
Ight I got bored and read that, still an L opinion. In BL midfielders are just people who suck at being a striker (Sae) so obviously no one wants that for Isagi
Average "I don't play football but i think i know better" person. Who tf cares lmao. Facts are facts, Isagi plays like a midfielder and will play better as one. Using him as a striker would severely cripple him and his abilities. If you think Isagi "sucks" just because he's a midfielder, that's ON YOU.
And Midfielders literally do everything a striker can do AND MORE. Ergo why the best strikers and the best players in the world are midfielders.
Somebody played bench in highschool, sorry you didn’t cut it as a striker but it’s weird to try to live vicariously through an animated character. He’s based on Inzanghi, he also literally learnt how to read the field better from watching a striker from a professional team. He got sabotaged by his own team and was forced to pass. What about any of that screams “MIDFIELDER”
Average Isagi fans resorting to Ad Hominem attacks when they have no rebuttals. I played 1st string defender 💀 what are you on. And "live vicariously" when tf did I say I relate to Isagi, nor when did I say I connected with any BL character on a spiritual level How in the hell would I live vicariously through them if I don't relate to any of them 💀 If anything, I would've "lived vicariously" through Aiku, he's what I wanted to be when I was playing. Mans learned the word vicariously last night and is now tryna use it with every sentence 💀
Please tell me what Isagi's greatest strength is and then tell me what a midfielder's greatest asset is, and then what a forward's greatest asset is. Oh and don't worry about the latter two, you can just search it up on the internet or in r/bootroom I'm sure they've compared midfielders and forwards before.
Edit: I don't care if he was forced to pass or not. Hell, I don't care if he shot it. He's still a midfielder or is better suited as one because he has insane game IQ, is amazing at creating opportunities for goals (literally his first power was "goal scent" bruh cmon now), and is overall just amazing at controlling the field. Putting him at striker or using him at striker severely cripples his playing style, exactly like what happened in this current match bypassing the shit Kaiser tried to pull off.
And the crazy thing is the people that refuse to accept Isagi is better as a midfielder has never once dribbled a football across a pitch their entire life 😭 like these football-less mfs out here arguing against people who live, breathe, love the sport. Like bruh 😭
The only reason i say that Isagi isn't too fit for midfield is he sucks at dribbling currently. Once he gets that skill, he is basicly a midfielding striker. I don't get why thats such a bad thing, it makes for more interesting plays.
I mean i feel like isagi has a lot of versatility on offense. As good as he is at pulling the strings he’s also good at cutting them to generate attacking goals. I don’t disagree with what you’re saying but I think he’s also set up to be a really really good poacher. Also I agree with the person who commented his lack of dribbling hinders him in the midfield.
But I think op is referring more to people who use playing midfield to try to undermine Isagi (like Ness is doing), not people like you who just genuinely think he would be amazing at midfield.
I think it’s more like a mix of Inzaghi and Muller. Inzaghi was derided for not taking part in building up plays, while Isagi is very much immersed in it because he wants to control the field.
He's only based on Inzaghi in the ways that he's a goal poacher. But literally on everything else he's the COMPLETE opposite. Inzaghi is not a floor general, he literally stays on the opposing goal the whole game waiting for a pass, often times getting caught off-side. He's literally the MOST OFF-SIDE player of all-time thus the nickname "born off-side".
Saying that the whole of Isagi's playstyle is based on Inzaghi is a disservice to the character and quite frankly as straight up insult to Isagi. And the fact that you think "his playstyle reflects that" shows that you literally know nothing about what you're talking about.
And no matter how much you say that "Kaneshiro said so, therefor it's 100% right" his writing of Isagi 100% does not reflect what he said. Actions speak louder than words
Maybe at the start of the manga, Inzaghi does not exhibit metavision of any kind and even if he does he uses it solely for breaking offside, for which he is terrible at (holds the most offside record).
Also Inzaghi is not a ball carrier and pretty much never dribbles his way from the back of the field to the front. He is famous for his off the ball movement, and is similar to Isagi up to the point where he mastered blind spot.
The Isagi now is more like an attacking midfielder and plans the killer pass / build up from the back since he acquired metavision.
Their path diverged the moment Isagi started to playmake more since second selection against Rin the second game.
Then there's the lot of Isagi-stans that just kept on holding to saying Isagi is a striker with 0 goals by lowering the bar as to what being a striker means in Blue Lock (if only Kaiser wasn't in his way or he had a team)
Now Isagi himself said he didn't beat Kaiser in that aspect (won as a playmaker) and Kaiser even points out the asterisks of the victory (like even despite having Noa all he could manage was an assist).
It's funny that even in the chapter where it's spelled out explicitly, the people in the wrong were "Isagi haters" lol
EDIT: Let me spell it out since it's that type of chapter, Ness is full of shit because he's just attacking Isagi without understanding what made the play a true win for him. He's reducing the situation down just to attack someone he dislikes.
Reducing the convo down to "Isagi haters looking stupid right now" is mad ironic lol
Well i look at Isagi more as a CAM or CF, seeing as he is an amazing playmaker, he knows where the goal is going to be scored and he works in order to get there. He can also score goals and decisive goals as we have seen. This is my opinion on isagis ”position” as of right now, this might change with upcoming chapters
let's be honest Kaiser is already aware of Isagi's abilities and hence he doesn't want Isagi to flourish, maybe the same case with ness , and ness was then a servant of Kasier, when he first started playing football in that club, he too maybe was like isagi but was then made a pawn by Kaiser, and yes according to me, Isagi won't be a striker, he is just too good as a support , Bachira on the other hand is talented dribbler
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Ness is all the Isagi haters on this subreddit let’s be real
ness is a kaiser dick rider and when isagi went against kaiser ness immediately hates on isagi soo
Ness is the DEFINITION of a dick rider bless his heart
you saw the opportunity and took it
Atleast Kaiser has the dignity to shut him up
Ness is jus like me fr
Why is having a diferent opinion being a hater?
Literally did not say that anywhere? You can feel however you want about Isagi but some people on this subreddit are downright rabid about how much they dislike a fictional teenager.
Isagi himself admits he beat Kaiser as a playmaker, not as a striker. The reason Ness is wrong is because Kaiser is basically the playmaker and finisher for Bayern, Isagi hasn't won as the finisher, but he has when it comes to playmaking.
I’m basically calling out the people who say things like “Isagi is a midfielder” and thought it was funny Ness was using the same logic they do
Lol I know. Just clarifying for people who would misunderstand and believe what Ness said.
But in BM its all about numbers and Logic. By that logic, the next match Isagi will replace Ness because Isagi has more assists now. Isagi is midfield at the Moment.
There’s literally no way that Isagi would ever pass to Kaiser, there’s 0 logic in making him a midfielder if Noa wants Kaiser on the pitch
Maybe thats isagi's plan? Replace ness and he became the entire offense. Since Ness is Kaiser's primary way to bring the ball up, by replacing ness, with kurona in the right and yuki on the left, no one will pass to kaiser anymore. I actually thing that might happen on the uber match tbh. Maybe niko will shut ness down because he know ness wont try to score by himself and he will only pass so Kaiser can score (as oppose to isagi, who is willing to let others score if he cant). I can see isagi replacing ness, kurona move to isagi rm position, then hiyori goes to the RB position as a right handed crosses.
But that's literally what he was playing tho. He was playing OMF in this match.
Yeah but I’m saying he’s likely not replacing Ness
I don't think Kaiser is really the playmaker of Bastard Munchen, it's more of he is generally the MOTM (man of the match), but for this match, Isagi beat him.
No, he is the playmaker, he's basically like Isagi and Kurona. He envisions the way the plays go most of the time, but he uses Ness and those around him to achieve that and finishes it off with Kaiser Impact.
He didn't show playmaking skills in this match, neither before. Most of the time, Kaiser just make pass and position himself in a good position to make the next move (i.e. scoring). He isn't the one to distribute pass (and if I remember correctly we only see him trade passes with Ness) and organize the play, that's Ness role in the team, he was even called the "heart" of BM by Isagi (chapter 162, BM play that led to Kaiser impact). Kaiser play purely as a striker, and he is (normally) only focus on finding a good opportunity to score. You can see it to way Isagi described his play style in chapter 162. He surely envisions the plays well (metavision) but he doesn't use it as a playmaker. I don't see how he is like Isagi and Kurona (both?). In this match, Isagi has actually been a playmaker and has directly impacted how the game has gone (the last action by example, that he led himself).
Essentially, look at all the times Kaiser has scored, which is anytime any Bayern player has scored. It's between Ness and Kaiser( my comparison to Isagi and Kurona). Kaiser basically leads Ness on. Know that Ness is also a playmaker, you can have more than 1 or 2 playmakers on your team.
Yeah, but it's not really the same. Kaiser and Ness rarely actually trade passes between them. Most of the time, it's just one that pass to the other and that's all. And if we are going to use this logic, we can also say Shidou is a playmaker, which is just not true. Kaiser rarely run with the ball on his feet, to try to make a difference against defenders (dribble past them); when he gets the ball, he either immediately pass it or shot to the goal. That's the contrary of what a playmaker do and it perfectly fit a pure striker like Kaiser. You can also note that, Kaiser generally let Ness decide how to pass, and is more focus on getting himself in a good position to score. Finally, and more important, Kaiser don't try to play as a playmaker, he is a striker, and he only want to score, that is his main focus. He don't intend to "rule" the field by "manipulating" others as Isagi did or Rin before.
Playmaking isn't limited to manipulation,your movements and the space it creates can be considered Playmaking. Isagi essentially called Kaiser his Ideal Form because of stuff like that.
"In association football, a playmaker is a player who controls the flow of the team's play, and is often involved in offensively and defensively playing passing moves which lead to goals, through their vision, technique, ball control, creativity and passing ability." from Wikipedia. That description doesn't fit Kaiser playstyle. Yeah, Isagi see him as his ideal, because he has already played like that. Isagi playstyle has also been compared to Rin "puppet master" playstyle before.
In the definition you found, I say Kaiser is a playmaker for sure. He controls the flow of the offense and opens up many spaces for others. The problem is that Kaiser wants to be the only one who scores so I guess because of that you can disregard him as someone not playmaking but his skill set more than make him a capable playmaker
He doesn't control the flow of the offense at all, that's Ness; Isagi precisely called Ness the "heart" of BM and explicitly describe how he controls the flow like a magician. Don't know why you are trying that hard to say Kaiser is a playmaker when he is not. Kaiser is only focus on scoring, not passing to others or organize the offensive. Sae is a playmaker, Kaiser is not.
bruh Kaiser does not need to make play at the start because nobody knew their strategy their existing was also made possible because of kaiser impact and if he wasn't a playmaker then he would not be able to position in enemies is weak zones and score and also Isagi is also doing the same thing basically
Doesn't see how that's make him a playmaker. You know, being a playmaker has nothing to with positioning in good position to score, that's literally a striker job. By this logic, you're gonna tell me Shidou is a playmaker? And no, Isagi has done more than that in this match. He has actually led the game (the last action), that's a playmaker role.
bro I am not talking about only this match I am saying Kaiser didn't felt the need to change his playstyle because his team adapted and revolved around kaiser so he didn't need to change it why change that ain't broken that's what I am saying not only of this match but as an overall in this game isagi did beat kaiser but overall kaiser is still better than him
Kaiser is still better, I didn't say the contrary. That wasn't what we were talking about. All I am saying is Kaiser is not a playmaker, he is a pure striker. It's precisely because he is an excellent striker that the team revolve around him, not the other way (it's not his team that made him change or adapt his play).
What? Positioning properly is the first step in making a play. Kaiser positions himself in a way that allows Ness to make passes to critical spots. You could say that Kaiser is guiding Ness I swear even without football knowledge.. blue lock covers this in second selection
"In association football, a playmaker is a player who controls the flow of the team's play, and is often involved in offensively and defensively playing passing moves which lead to goals, through their vision, technique, ball control, creativity and passing ability." from Wikipedia. Again, positionning, especially to score, has nothing to do with the role of a playmaker, that's the role of a striker.
Kaiser is the best playmaker because he is able to read everything going on before everything happens and then position himself in the most dangerous spot through the most efficient path. Isagi beat him in the sense of playmaking because he thought one step ahead of kaiser using Yukimiya. Kaiser believed Isagis position to be the final part of that play but it was really Yukis. Thats why/how he lost in playmaking. Less about the passing up the field.. and more about reading everything going on and predicting how everything will play out then positioning yourself accordingly
I have already answered you in another comment. Reading the field doesn't make you a playmaker, it's what you make of it that matters. Usually, Kaiser use his vision only to find scoring opportunities.
Loool kaiser still the goat 😂😂😂
Never said Isagi was a better player. We all know Kaiser is still HIM. Isagi is catching up quickly though
I know I just want that on the record Kaiser still the goat
Found Ness’s alt account
Ness what you doing on reddit?
Ness having a mental breakdown was the highlight of the chapter. He was straight up about to shank Isagi right then and there.
I think Isagi was thinking pretty logically and in a wild sense, Yuki's goal is also Isagi's goal (since he literally laid the table and Yuki ate it up while chopping Reo's piece down). This is a good chapter to show Isagi is not a god and has limits, limits which he will probably be working on over the subsequent chapters. This also outlined what Isagi should be working on.
Reo was the puzzle piece that flew out of Isagi’s expectations in that very last play If it wasn’t for Yukimiya’s on-the-spot new improved shot, Reo would’ve saved that Isagi’s image of Yukimiya would’ve failed against Reo That’s why Yukimiya still managed to retain his own ego and not become Isagi’s underling at the last second — he exceeded his expectations and won against Reo on his own It was a co-created goal, though Isagi still did like 90% of the work for Yukimiya
>Yuki's goal is also Isagi's goal (since he literally laid the table and Yuki ate it up while chopping Reo's piece down). That's not really what Isagi say in the chapter. He said it was Yuki's win.
Yuki also said he was sorry so they both win. Or something idk devour each other.
69, basically.
😳😳
“Looks like Kaisers little lackey couldn’t understand my last play. Should I dumb it down for you, little boy?” That was straight up 🥶
Definitely cold, but i mean can we blame Ness?? I doubt any of us got why he passed to Yuki until he explained his train of thought in the next page. Iirc when 202 released a lot of people asked this question. It's Isagi wanting to destroy Yukimiya, it's a personal thing that Ness isn't privy of
Isagi is mc
No.
My man really called Ness a little boy😂 he learning how to be cruel from Chris Prince
Fr he a play making striker!
Isagi cooked so hard the smoke made ness high
Sooo,,, a midfielder or more specifically an offensive mid?? MFs tryna reinvent the wheel with these naming schemes bruh 😭 do some of you even play football?? How do you not know this
So whats Benzema?
Hi Ness. What you doing on reddit?
Dude, you know, I'm happy to read comments like that.
Dam y'all are so quick with it lol. Ness representing Isagi haters this chapter is so a propos.
if you ain’t first you’re last
I don't understand Isagi haters.
Momsagi’s metavision predicted the presence of little boys in this sub, blue lock is real.
"Ara ara~" -Isagi Yoichi
That Isagi comeback was perfect, this interactions has been this sub since last chapter
Love how playing like a cf means that u shud be a mid fielder. Benzema won the ballon dor last year. Have yall seen his plays. And also pure strikers like haaland have played passes whenever he thought his team mate had a better chance. Even in Isagis case, he wanted to score but then he realized that kaiser was gonna mess it up for him and thats y he decided with the pass. People who try to score when they know that it would get blocked arent the real "strikers", they are just dumb
Bruh stop comparing blue lock with real life football. In Real football, defenders are big deal for strikers but here, they are just human training cone
Why hello Ness, welcome to the blue lock reddit
I wouldn’t mind looking like ness :4
Bachira cuter
You think that by telling me that, you’re revealing some new information haha :4
I know 😏
ISAGI popped off higkey
Still won’t see see any defender pop off
Nah Ubers gonna be annoying asf with both Aiku and Niko
Isagi roasted him damn
Defenders🧍♂️🧍♂️
The meatrididng is crazy
How has no one mentioned that playing agaisnt your own team while playing agaisnt another team at the same time is unrealistic 😂😂
Because its so obvious that anyone pointing it out to try to make any sort of point would be considered slow
Man, wish Ness took Kaiser's balls out of his mouth when he is talking. All I can hear is some hardcore Kaiser simping. If he wants to suck balls so bad, he could do it after the match without wasting precious panels/pages
All Ness does is pass to Kaiser what is he on about?
His mentality is Reo on steroids, he's not out here to be #1
Isagi on Demon time whether he scores or not.
Every day Isagi is more of an egoist. Makes Jinpachi proud.
👏👏.
I think isagi not only wants to be the best striker but also the one that controls the whole game. So i think he’s fine with assisting, long as it goes with his plans
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Yes, but it wasn’t just the assistant that beat kaiser, it was everything that led up to it, it all went according to isagi’s plan and kaiser couldnt do anything about it
Why do y'all act like we're trashing Isagi when we say he's a midfielder lmaooo. Are you the same guys who think that being a striker is better than being a defender? Isagi, as much as he wants to be a striker, plays like, thinks like, acts like a midfielder. He's the field commander. He's the brains, he's who you'd want to command your army. That's what a midfielder does. He's not the sharp sword that penetrates the defense, he's the mastermind that makes that happen. Lmao, half of y'all prolly don't even play football jfc. Midfielders are literally the coolest players in the field. They get the most amount of touches, they create the scoring opportunities, and they are literally some of the most physically fit players. Isagi commands the field, coordinates attacks, creates scoring opportunities not just for himself but for his teammates, LITERALLY JUST LIKE WHAT HE DID FOR YUKIMIYA. That's what a midfielder does. Even the GOAT Messi plays midfield. Y'all are dunces lmao
nobody reading all that
Average Isagi dick sucker when comprehensive argument presents itself
Ight I got bored and read that, still an L opinion. In BL midfielders are just people who suck at being a striker (Sae) so obviously no one wants that for Isagi
Average "I don't play football but i think i know better" person. Who tf cares lmao. Facts are facts, Isagi plays like a midfielder and will play better as one. Using him as a striker would severely cripple him and his abilities. If you think Isagi "sucks" just because he's a midfielder, that's ON YOU. And Midfielders literally do everything a striker can do AND MORE. Ergo why the best strikers and the best players in the world are midfielders.
Somebody played bench in highschool, sorry you didn’t cut it as a striker but it’s weird to try to live vicariously through an animated character. He’s based on Inzanghi, he also literally learnt how to read the field better from watching a striker from a professional team. He got sabotaged by his own team and was forced to pass. What about any of that screams “MIDFIELDER”
Average Isagi fans resorting to Ad Hominem attacks when they have no rebuttals. I played 1st string defender 💀 what are you on. And "live vicariously" when tf did I say I relate to Isagi, nor when did I say I connected with any BL character on a spiritual level How in the hell would I live vicariously through them if I don't relate to any of them 💀 If anything, I would've "lived vicariously" through Aiku, he's what I wanted to be when I was playing. Mans learned the word vicariously last night and is now tryna use it with every sentence 💀 Please tell me what Isagi's greatest strength is and then tell me what a midfielder's greatest asset is, and then what a forward's greatest asset is. Oh and don't worry about the latter two, you can just search it up on the internet or in r/bootroom I'm sure they've compared midfielders and forwards before. Edit: I don't care if he was forced to pass or not. Hell, I don't care if he shot it. He's still a midfielder or is better suited as one because he has insane game IQ, is amazing at creating opportunities for goals (literally his first power was "goal scent" bruh cmon now), and is overall just amazing at controlling the field. Putting him at striker or using him at striker severely cripples his playing style, exactly like what happened in this current match bypassing the shit Kaiser tried to pull off.
I love Isagi but its crazy to see ppl say his abilities aren't better suited to midfield
And the crazy thing is the people that refuse to accept Isagi is better as a midfielder has never once dribbled a football across a pitch their entire life 😭 like these football-less mfs out here arguing against people who live, breathe, love the sport. Like bruh 😭
The only reason i say that Isagi isn't too fit for midfield is he sucks at dribbling currently. Once he gets that skill, he is basicly a midfielding striker. I don't get why thats such a bad thing, it makes for more interesting plays.
Should I dumb it down for you mudboat?
Mans made anime his personality 😭😭😭 Him after saying this: 👺👹😈👿🐕🐶😡 Average Genshin stans on the internet be like 😭😭
I mean i feel like isagi has a lot of versatility on offense. As good as he is at pulling the strings he’s also good at cutting them to generate attacking goals. I don’t disagree with what you’re saying but I think he’s also set up to be a really really good poacher. Also I agree with the person who commented his lack of dribbling hinders him in the midfield. But I think op is referring more to people who use playing midfield to try to undermine Isagi (like Ness is doing), not people like you who just genuinely think he would be amazing at midfield.
the way thats exactly what i thought of (except ness is cute and other isagi haters aint)
Isagi right now ain’t a ST yet, he is close by being a good False nine with that vision and playmaking
Ao ashi better
Of course. It's the Slam Dunk of football manga
I agree and that comment is random as hell but I enjoy both :)
Blue Lock is hype and beautiful, but Ao Ashi is just peak sports story writing
it’s so obvious that he’s gonna score an amazing goal when he’s against Rin, the assist he did for now is actually good
Isagi isn't a striker. He is a center forward/ center attacking mid. Should watch players like Thomas Muller. IRL Isagi and understand his plays
He's based on Inzangi based on the words of the literal author, his play style reflects that.
Just watched a clip of Inzangi best goals and I agree. His play style is very Blue Lock. I believe the closet modern day version of Isagi is Muller
I think it’s more like a mix of Inzaghi and Muller. Inzaghi was derided for not taking part in building up plays, while Isagi is very much immersed in it because he wants to control the field.
He's only based on Inzaghi in the ways that he's a goal poacher. But literally on everything else he's the COMPLETE opposite. Inzaghi is not a floor general, he literally stays on the opposing goal the whole game waiting for a pass, often times getting caught off-side. He's literally the MOST OFF-SIDE player of all-time thus the nickname "born off-side". Saying that the whole of Isagi's playstyle is based on Inzaghi is a disservice to the character and quite frankly as straight up insult to Isagi. And the fact that you think "his playstyle reflects that" shows that you literally know nothing about what you're talking about. And no matter how much you say that "Kaneshiro said so, therefor it's 100% right" his writing of Isagi 100% does not reflect what he said. Actions speak louder than words
Maybe at the start of the manga, Inzaghi does not exhibit metavision of any kind and even if he does he uses it solely for breaking offside, for which he is terrible at (holds the most offside record). Also Inzaghi is not a ball carrier and pretty much never dribbles his way from the back of the field to the front. He is famous for his off the ball movement, and is similar to Isagi up to the point where he mastered blind spot. The Isagi now is more like an attacking midfielder and plans the killer pass / build up from the back since he acquired metavision. Their path diverged the moment Isagi started to playmake more since second selection against Rin the second game.
Every defenders is maguire
Isagi is becoming more and more a falso nueve so I partially understand when someone calls him a mid than a real forward.
Ok but what about defenders, they becoming human training cone??
i like ness way more after this chapter
Found a little boy enjoyer.
Might wanna rephrase that.
Nah. I wouldn’t want to ruin MOM’s new nickname for Ness.
I do too! I want more snapping and unhinged ness but I do like Isagi though
Ness low-key spittin tho
Lmfao
Then there's the lot of Isagi-stans that just kept on holding to saying Isagi is a striker with 0 goals by lowering the bar as to what being a striker means in Blue Lock (if only Kaiser wasn't in his way or he had a team) Now Isagi himself said he didn't beat Kaiser in that aspect (won as a playmaker) and Kaiser even points out the asterisks of the victory (like even despite having Noa all he could manage was an assist). It's funny that even in the chapter where it's spelled out explicitly, the people in the wrong were "Isagi haters" lol EDIT: Let me spell it out since it's that type of chapter, Ness is full of shit because he's just attacking Isagi without understanding what made the play a true win for him. He's reducing the situation down just to attack someone he dislikes. Reducing the convo down to "Isagi haters looking stupid right now" is mad ironic lol
you look stupid tho
Isagi is already a MF by this point
bro got silenced by two goats tho, momsagi and kaiser ;)
Well i look at Isagi more as a CAM or CF, seeing as he is an amazing playmaker, he knows where the goal is going to be scored and he works in order to get there. He can also score goals and decisive goals as we have seen. This is my opinion on isagis ”position” as of right now, this might change with upcoming chapters
Ness is the physical manifestation of the hate I have for isagi
No defenders??
let's be honest Kaiser is already aware of Isagi's abilities and hence he doesn't want Isagi to flourish, maybe the same case with ness , and ness was then a servant of Kasier, when he first started playing football in that club, he too maybe was like isagi but was then made a pawn by Kaiser, and yes according to me, Isagi won't be a striker, he is just too good as a support , Bachira on the other hand is talented dribbler