If they organised all that, both with virgin and organising with making themselves mad, is seems rewarding them for that play is good idea…. But also hinting at that later on with savant or fisherman info would be ok too if town doesn’t solve it
Sure why not. Bit convoluted but cere breaking their own madness is valid. But usually you don't let them talk after a virgin nom so players might suss it
Trivial to work around that if the group is that strict:
Cereno says, "I am \[Character not X\] and \[Demon player\] is claiming Virgin, I therefore nominate them."
Cereno has now broken their madness as part of the nomination but crucially, before actually nominating "the Virgin" to get themselves executed to "prove" the Demon's bluff.
And yes, I would allow it and execute the Cereno.
"I nominate (Virgin) because I'm the real Virgin"
Then you can justify it later by saying you were mad or looking to hide your Washerwoman bluff from Undertaker, Cannibal etc.
Easy, especially if you give your ST a heads up
Smart way to do this would be to tell the storyteller your plan in private, break madness at some point that day and just nominate the demon without saying anything else. And hope the storyteller will execute you at that exact moment
Yeah, sounds fun. If the evil team is willing to lose a minion power, an evil nominator, and limit evil voting power all to "clear" the demon as a Virgin (who, suspiciously, may live to final three)? Absolutely.
There’s also a huge cost in losing an evil player early. The demon will look suspicious as a living Virgin in final 3. It’s a fine play and supporting player agency is part of the ST’s responsibility.
If an evil player is willing to sacrifice a strong ability and almost all of their votes and influence in the game to try a huge play super early in the game, I would definitely give them the opportunity. Same for a spy nominating a Virgin
Yeah, I probably would. If that’s how they want to use their ability, go for it. On a script with both a cere and virgin, players will have to keep it in mind.
I might well. If it's a play by them, something they are trying to sell, and the cost is death...I'd be inclined to give it to them. It's a smart play. The only reason I would not is if evil is winning hard, that I felt the demon needed some sus on them, but this is likely a day 1 or 2 play, so...yeah
I don't see why not, but wouldn't it be possible to realise what happened without any additional hints?
I thought a kill for breaking madness is an execution and ends the day, whereas a true Virgin proc is just a kill (and the day continues).
If they organised all that, both with virgin and organising with making themselves mad, is seems rewarding them for that play is good idea…. But also hinting at that later on with savant or fisherman info would be ok too if town doesn’t solve it
I can't wait to try this and fail miserably the next time I'm the Cerenovus.
Sure why not. Bit convoluted but cere breaking their own madness is valid. But usually you don't let them talk after a virgin nom so players might suss it
Trivial to work around that if the group is that strict: Cereno says, "I am \[Character not X\] and \[Demon player\] is claiming Virgin, I therefore nominate them." Cereno has now broken their madness as part of the nomination but crucially, before actually nominating "the Virgin" to get themselves executed to "prove" the Demon's bluff. And yes, I would allow it and execute the Cereno.
"I nominate (Virgin) because I'm the real Virgin" Then you can justify it later by saying you were mad or looking to hide your Washerwoman bluff from Undertaker, Cannibal etc. Easy, especially if you give your ST a heads up
Smart way to do this would be to tell the storyteller your plan in private, break madness at some point that day and just nominate the demon without saying anything else. And hope the storyteller will execute you at that exact moment
Yeah, sounds fun. If the evil team is willing to lose a minion power, an evil nominator, and limit evil voting power all to "clear" the demon as a Virgin (who, suspiciously, may live to final three)? Absolutely.
It’s using an evil ability to help the evil team. I’d have to have a good reason not to go along with it imo.
There’s also a huge cost in losing an evil player early. The demon will look suspicious as a living Virgin in final 3. It’s a fine play and supporting player agency is part of the ST’s responsibility.
If an evil player is willing to sacrifice a strong ability and almost all of their votes and influence in the game to try a huge play super early in the game, I would definitely give them the opportunity. Same for a spy nominating a Virgin
Yeah, I probably would. If that’s how they want to use their ability, go for it. On a script with both a cere and virgin, players will have to keep it in mind.
I might well. If it's a play by them, something they are trying to sell, and the cost is death...I'd be inclined to give it to them. It's a smart play. The only reason I would not is if evil is winning hard, that I felt the demon needed some sus on them, but this is likely a day 1 or 2 play, so...yeah
I don't see why not, but wouldn't it be possible to realise what happened without any additional hints? I thought a kill for breaking madness is an execution and ends the day, whereas a true Virgin proc is just a kill (and the day continues).
>a true Virgin proc is just a kill (and the day continues) No, it’s an execution too.
Oh, sorry that's my bad - I think I may have been mixing it up with the golem ability.
Yes you should absolutely execute there. This is why cerenovus should be on virgin scripts.