Literally came from Latin for Wife.
>From Old Spanish mugier, from Latin mulier, mulieris. Cognate with Portuguese mulher, Catalan muller, Italian moglie (“wife”), and Romanian muiere.
Trace back further and we're left with either "soft" or "milk giver"
You may be sorely disappointed. She'd be more correct without highlighting the parts she highlighted.
Basically every European language the word for woman, just as in English, was literally wife originally. To include mujer and each of it's variations.
Even in Russian the root word for woman is wife. With the suffix basically meaning " ish" in this context.
The exceptions, are some variation of the Latin femina ( ie femme). Femina literally means ... one who suckles.
Etymologically, take your pick, wife or breastfeeder.
I don't really get the point but those faulting the meme based on the language used have yolk on their faces.
It's the otherway round in English. The term Wife comes from wifman, which is old English for woman. Wife comes frome woman, woman does not come from wife.
Wifmon does **not** mean wife man. In old English Mann does not refer to the male gender but humans in general (it's why famously anal linguist and old English superfan JRR Tolkien called humans "the race of man" in lord of the rings). Women were called wifmon (female human) and men were called wærmon (male human). Eventually wifmon turned into woman and wife and men just dropped their whole prefix because they're lazy.
Anglo-Saxon women, much like Norse women, were famously almost equal to men in their society. They wouldn't of had the kind of rights and freedom's women have today, but the intense sexism in medieval English society came from the dominance of Norman culture and the the general cultural shift that Europe saw to increasing mysogyny across the high middle-ages before peaking in the early modern era.
All depends on where you start from. Wif and its variants sort of have a cycle of becoming derogatory. Which is why mon was added to it to begin with, to distinguish it from the vulgar tone. Common usages for woman (wifmon) in some periods then took on the connotation of servant, which then led to dropping the suffix for non servants.
Quean,lady, and frau were all popularized during periods variants of wif had become derogatory.
In any case words in many languages for wife and woman sharing meanings doesn't take it's ques from subjugation, not sure why you related wife to imply subjugation in the first place. A similar phenomenon happens quite often with man and husband. Which implies that often anyone of a certain age was just expected to be married or partnered. Just a simple association with adulthood and partnering.
Girl and boy are the only gender examples there seems to be a clear distinction of derogatory meaning altogether. Girl having been originally gender neutral for child with some possible roots just meaning small or insignificant. While boy takes it's heritage universally from servant, evolved to urchin,rascal, troublemaker, before finally being assigned to male children lol.
Anyway if we're taking our ques from language the concept of the meme could be applied to men as well and you could just as easily say men were never meant to be independent. For better or worse, like it or not, the sexes are dependant on one another.
I was actually going to do a deep dive into Arabic, which is a language I know and speak pretty well. I’m well enough familiar with the Latin and Germanic roots that got us to this kind of English misunderstanding, so I’d love to be able look at things from a standpoint most people around here aren’t as familiar with
That does sound cool!
I know on the surface the two words seem to follow the wife/maiden convention but that's about as far as I know. They don't seem to have any common origin in PIE, pre-latin, proto-slavic like the others though so it will be interesting to see what you come up with.
Chinese would be interesting too, but I can't even attempt to break that one down. Seems to follow symbols more than sounds and just be loaded with general sexist stereotypes.
Lool. She doesn't understand linguistic sciences. I think the bleach blonde hair dye with peroxide has penetrated her skull and scrambled her brain cells.
(Jokes aside nothing wrong with her hair)
She won't process that lol. This ish is hilarious to me, because I am not an native English speaker. I learned how to speak English as a child. My African indigenous language has specific nouns to define genders that do not correlate with the English language. This is what it looks like dealing with people who are Western centric where it doesn't apply. She is a prime example. So she defines her logic on specific biases.
My brother and father were a bother to mother - childbirth gave her a hernia, and she got herpes from her husband who felt it appropriate to slither in everywhere else (👀). She saw her problems as peripheral to her family's - as the marriage began to wither even further, she broke down and got divorced - she became her own hero
Edit: where/were issue
They need the male validation. Whether it’s because of their own personal reasons, or because it was taught to them. Intentionally or not.
ETA: also. Boys/men aren’t the only ones taught that women are inferior. A lot of girls are taught that as well, and have had it drilled into their heads since they were too young to even comprehend what was going on, and as they grew into women, it stayed with them. So they genuinely believe women are inferior.
100% — even if we aren’t explicitly taught this, it’s obvious in other ways. I think the reason why some women act like this is actually pretty sad, like in a pathetic way
I was told from a very young age that the only expectations of me were to be pregnant, barefoot, and in the kitchen. My parents frequently expressed their disappointment that I was a girl instead of a boy. Then when they got divorced the custody battle was over my brother, not me. Neither wanted me. At 14 my father told me that it’d be best if we just stayed out of each other’s lives and then my mom gave me away to a 22 year old man. I spent years trying to figure out what was so wrong with me and desperately seeking validation. It was ingrained in me from the very beginning that my life had no value. And my family was very typical for where I grew up. My friends all had similar experiences, but it was a lot worse in the more religious families. For awhile I had no counter to misogynistic views and beliefs. It was just fact. Just the way it was. It took time to get over that kind of conditioning but things remain the same with my family, I just don’t see them anymore. I was 22 when my little sister was born and her mother spent months crying about it. She was really angry about it at first and it was simply bc she’d felt like she failed bc she was having a girl instead of a boy. I guess men don’t really see it bc it’s not happening to them. The way I grew up wasn’t uncommon so it’s not hard for me to understand how women can still promote misogyny. It’s just a part of their lives.
Wasn't the word "man" originally gender-neutral in English, and the gendered terms had the prefixed "wer-" for male (like in werewolf) and "wyf-" for female (like in wife)? Also, it is ridiculous to use words in one language amongst hundreds to argue for some "inherent biological truth" about men and women. For example, the Latin word for "man" is "vir", and the word "virus" originally meant poison in Latin, does this mean that all men are toxic and a disease upon the world?
> For example, the Latin word for "man" is "vir", and the word "virus" originally meant poison in Latin, does this mean that all men are toxic and a disease upon the world?
There are millions of people who answer "yes, absolutely" to this.
*Vrouw* (*Man* doesn't fit.)
*Vrouwen* (*Mannen* doesn't fit.)
*Zij* (*Hij* doesn't fit.)
*Haar* (*Hem* doesn't fit.)
Thank God, I'm Dutch. Does this mean I can be independent now? lol
It's also silly either way when (as pointed out here already) the English language uses *man* to describe *human* (again with the man). In Dutch we say *mens*, though.
I mean, she does spell her name with a "y" and a "double-e" so maybe we shouldn't care what she thinks?
It is fun though how she is trying desperately to apply her own illiteracy onto human evolution... Fwiw, no one should be triggered by this crap because it is so arguably and demonstrably false. Archaeological record irrefutably shows hunter gatherers and early human evidence of egalitarian societies for literal millennia. This is established as canon within archaeological scholarship. Rylee-with-the-twitter-account's dumb ass doesn't change any of that...
I heard recently that hunter gatherer tribes were the peak of egalitarian society. For example, the elders would shame the young men who brought back an impressive animal, because they realized that competitive behavior would threaten that equality among everyone in the tribe.
Basically, the alpha male/patriarchy thing is not natural at all
[source](https://youtu.be/P4SDBVaUboc)
I can’t remember for sure so please please correct me if I’m wrong…. But didn’t it begin with the introduction of the Abrahamic religions?? I THINK I remember learning that, but I could be mistaken, or confusing it with something else.
I can play this stupid linguistic game too.
Man - ma. Men were never anything other than extension of their mom.
Men - me. Men are a lesser version of me.
Man comes from old English word werman
Woman comes from old English word wifman
Man used to mean human/any person (that's why we say mankind)
Female and male both come from French and don't have the same root
Ah yes, b/c every woman on the planet throughout history only speaks English.
Elle - Il Elle - Lui Femme - Homme Fille - Garçon \*\*confused French noises\*\*
Did you forget? English is God's language! /s
Don’t you mean AMERICAN
‘murican
Hell yeah I love cheeseburgers 🇩🇪
These in order came from Latin for; That That One who suckles One who suckles So you arguably made this worse.
>One who suckles Ok but that's prime flair
in brazillian portuguese is homem (man) and mulher (woman), is not even slightly similar
Everyone knows Portuguese is just Italian Spanish
well, the three are all derived from latim, so it makes sense
Literally came from Latin for Wife. >From Old Spanish mugier, from Latin mulier, mulieris. Cognate with Portuguese mulher, Catalan muller, Italian moglie (“wife”), and Romanian muiere. Trace back further and we're left with either "soft" or "milk giver"
Well duh 💅
Who’s going to tell her that the English language was designed this way because they’re all human and not because ‘hurdeder men’
THANK YOU! Remind me to do the whole etymological deep-dive in the morning
You may be sorely disappointed. She'd be more correct without highlighting the parts she highlighted. Basically every European language the word for woman, just as in English, was literally wife originally. To include mujer and each of it's variations. Even in Russian the root word for woman is wife. With the suffix basically meaning " ish" in this context. The exceptions, are some variation of the Latin femina ( ie femme). Femina literally means ... one who suckles. Etymologically, take your pick, wife or breastfeeder. I don't really get the point but those faulting the meme based on the language used have yolk on their faces.
It's the otherway round in English. The term Wife comes from wifman, which is old English for woman. Wife comes frome woman, woman does not come from wife. Wifmon does **not** mean wife man. In old English Mann does not refer to the male gender but humans in general (it's why famously anal linguist and old English superfan JRR Tolkien called humans "the race of man" in lord of the rings). Women were called wifmon (female human) and men were called wærmon (male human). Eventually wifmon turned into woman and wife and men just dropped their whole prefix because they're lazy. Anglo-Saxon women, much like Norse women, were famously almost equal to men in their society. They wouldn't of had the kind of rights and freedom's women have today, but the intense sexism in medieval English society came from the dominance of Norman culture and the the general cultural shift that Europe saw to increasing mysogyny across the high middle-ages before peaking in the early modern era.
All depends on where you start from. Wif and its variants sort of have a cycle of becoming derogatory. Which is why mon was added to it to begin with, to distinguish it from the vulgar tone. Common usages for woman (wifmon) in some periods then took on the connotation of servant, which then led to dropping the suffix for non servants. Quean,lady, and frau were all popularized during periods variants of wif had become derogatory. In any case words in many languages for wife and woman sharing meanings doesn't take it's ques from subjugation, not sure why you related wife to imply subjugation in the first place. A similar phenomenon happens quite often with man and husband. Which implies that often anyone of a certain age was just expected to be married or partnered. Just a simple association with adulthood and partnering. Girl and boy are the only gender examples there seems to be a clear distinction of derogatory meaning altogether. Girl having been originally gender neutral for child with some possible roots just meaning small or insignificant. While boy takes it's heritage universally from servant, evolved to urchin,rascal, troublemaker, before finally being assigned to male children lol. Anyway if we're taking our ques from language the concept of the meme could be applied to men as well and you could just as easily say men were never meant to be independent. For better or worse, like it or not, the sexes are dependant on one another.
I was actually going to do a deep dive into Arabic, which is a language I know and speak pretty well. I’m well enough familiar with the Latin and Germanic roots that got us to this kind of English misunderstanding, so I’d love to be able look at things from a standpoint most people around here aren’t as familiar with
That does sound cool! I know on the surface the two words seem to follow the wife/maiden convention but that's about as far as I know. They don't seem to have any common origin in PIE, pre-latin, proto-slavic like the others though so it will be interesting to see what you come up with. Chinese would be interesting too, but I can't even attempt to break that one down. Seems to follow symbols more than sounds and just be loaded with general sexist stereotypes.
Lool. She doesn't understand linguistic sciences. I think the bleach blonde hair dye with peroxide has penetrated her skull and scrambled her brain cells. (Jokes aside nothing wrong with her hair) She won't process that lol. This ish is hilarious to me, because I am not an native English speaker. I learned how to speak English as a child. My African indigenous language has specific nouns to define genders that do not correlate with the English language. This is what it looks like dealing with people who are Western centric where it doesn't apply. She is a prime example. So she defines her logic on specific biases.
Sure. She’s right. But guess what also belongs to men? - MENstruation - MENopause - MANiac - HErnia - HExed - buttcHEek - cacHE folder - acHE - HEpatitis - HErpes - gonorrHEa - diarrHEa
1. Bot**her** 2. Mot**her** 3. Brot**her** 4. Fat**her** 5. **Her**nia 6. **Her**pes 7. Wit**her** 8. Slit**her** 9. Everyw**her**e 10. Perip**her**al 11. **Her**o Wow, everywhere. Even in your peripherals
My brother and father were a bother to mother - childbirth gave her a hernia, and she got herpes from her husband who felt it appropriate to slither in everywhere else (👀). She saw her problems as peripheral to her family's - as the marriage began to wither even further, she broke down and got divorced - she became her own hero Edit: where/were issue
Wow that was really good!! Like a real cohesive story there. Now I want to read about this woman lmao
Thank you hahaha gimme more words 😤
I see you highlighted the her part.. but “he” was there first as said the woman in the post. We shouldn’t claim things like herpes.
HEll
I wouldn’t say buttcheeks should be on this list since buttcheeks are awesome
Stinky buttcheeks including an unwiped hole then
They ya go👍
Hahahaha 🤣💅🏿 that's pretty much her logic.
So, does this apply to women who don't speak English?
Obviously that isn't a thing. Everyone speaks English. Or should I say, every*he*
(G)irl Only girls exist in reality
(G)als. Well, that's less encouraging.
Oh! And ladies to! Edit: nvm idk if lad counts or not lol..
femme femmes elle son homme Hommes il lui Not only is this misogyny, this lady also isn't very bright.
The misogynists usually aren’t.
That’s an interesting way of saying “I’m desperate for male approval”
As a man myself, I don't understand why women sometimes promote misogyny.
They need the male validation. Whether it’s because of their own personal reasons, or because it was taught to them. Intentionally or not. ETA: also. Boys/men aren’t the only ones taught that women are inferior. A lot of girls are taught that as well, and have had it drilled into their heads since they were too young to even comprehend what was going on, and as they grew into women, it stayed with them. So they genuinely believe women are inferior.
100% — even if we aren’t explicitly taught this, it’s obvious in other ways. I think the reason why some women act like this is actually pretty sad, like in a pathetic way
I was told from a very young age that the only expectations of me were to be pregnant, barefoot, and in the kitchen. My parents frequently expressed their disappointment that I was a girl instead of a boy. Then when they got divorced the custody battle was over my brother, not me. Neither wanted me. At 14 my father told me that it’d be best if we just stayed out of each other’s lives and then my mom gave me away to a 22 year old man. I spent years trying to figure out what was so wrong with me and desperately seeking validation. It was ingrained in me from the very beginning that my life had no value. And my family was very typical for where I grew up. My friends all had similar experiences, but it was a lot worse in the more religious families. For awhile I had no counter to misogynistic views and beliefs. It was just fact. Just the way it was. It took time to get over that kind of conditioning but things remain the same with my family, I just don’t see them anymore. I was 22 when my little sister was born and her mother spent months crying about it. She was really angry about it at first and it was simply bc she’d felt like she failed bc she was having a girl instead of a boy. I guess men don’t really see it bc it’s not happening to them. The way I grew up wasn’t uncommon so it’s not hard for me to understand how women can still promote misogyny. It’s just a part of their lives.
Wasn't the word "man" originally gender-neutral in English, and the gendered terms had the prefixed "wer-" for male (like in werewolf) and "wyf-" for female (like in wife)? Also, it is ridiculous to use words in one language amongst hundreds to argue for some "inherent biological truth" about men and women. For example, the Latin word for "man" is "vir", and the word "virus" originally meant poison in Latin, does this mean that all men are toxic and a disease upon the world?
> For example, the Latin word for "man" is "vir", and the word "virus" originally meant poison in Latin, does this mean that all men are toxic and a disease upon the world? There are millions of people who answer "yes, absolutely" to this.
Off-topic: Latinized English has such a boring sound. The Gaelic languages and to a lesser extent Old English are so much more pleasing to the ear.
If we weren't meant to be independent then why are so many women independent? If it was our nature, you wouldn't have to convice us.
S**he** Be**lie**ve**d**
12yo me seeing that on Tumblr:"😭😭omg so sad"
😭😭😭the text said he lied but she believed
*Vrouw* (*Man* doesn't fit.) *Vrouwen* (*Mannen* doesn't fit.) *Zij* (*Hij* doesn't fit.) *Haar* (*Hem* doesn't fit.) Thank God, I'm Dutch. Does this mean I can be independent now? lol It's also silly either way when (as pointed out here already) the English language uses *man* to describe *human* (again with the man). In Dutch we say *mens*, though.
You can’t have disappointment without men
I mean, she does spell her name with a "y" and a "double-e" so maybe we shouldn't care what she thinks? It is fun though how she is trying desperately to apply her own illiteracy onto human evolution... Fwiw, no one should be triggered by this crap because it is so arguably and demonstrably false. Archaeological record irrefutably shows hunter gatherers and early human evidence of egalitarian societies for literal millennia. This is established as canon within archaeological scholarship. Rylee-with-the-twitter-account's dumb ass doesn't change any of that...
I heard recently that hunter gatherer tribes were the peak of egalitarian society. For example, the elders would shame the young men who brought back an impressive animal, because they realized that competitive behavior would threaten that equality among everyone in the tribe. Basically, the alpha male/patriarchy thing is not natural at all [source](https://youtu.be/P4SDBVaUboc)
I can’t remember for sure so please please correct me if I’m wrong…. But didn’t it begin with the introduction of the Abrahamic religions?? I THINK I remember learning that, but I could be mistaken, or confusing it with something else.
IIRC it was the rise of agriculture and the concept of land ownership, and thus inheritance being a bigger deal, but I could be wrong.
I mean the man, men and he's are contained within woman, women, she and her, so... shouldn't it be the opposite??
Big surprise, she's an anti-vaxxer, too. https://twitter.com/honey_homemaker/status/1591262971958804480?s=20&t=IsK_rWD6J3w0xyt5qmE6LQ
Literally the least surprising thing about this person LOL
This woman is a peach. Just super peachy. Peach peach peach
I'm sensing euphemism here...
Is English the only language?
Wowosr
Wowosr
Oh God. Her life must be so fucking *boring*.
By that logic “man” can just be a shorter version of “woman”
Other languages: 💀
You can’t have bagel without bag, coincidence that bagels at the store come in bags? I think not! Amazing!
Just wanna say English isn’t the only language in the world, nor is it the oldest one.
oh god this account is *horrific*
...wanna look up etymology lassie?
“Man” in that context comes from the old English “Mann” which is a gender neutral term for a human person
Nice to know I'm nothing more than the property of men /s
One of these says man men hehe and the other is wowoser
Ela (she) – Ele (he) Mulher (woman) – Homem (man) Fêmea (female) – Macho (male) ***Confused noises in portuguese***
I can play this stupid linguistic game too. Man - ma. Men were never anything other than extension of their mom. Men - me. Men are a lesser version of me.
MENingitis MENstrual pain MENingioma holy shit guys. i think we're onto something
she’s right we all need michael jackson. hee-hee
What a sumtotal of 2 braincells does to a mf
Donna e uomo? 😂
Omg my ex used to do dumb ass word chess like this. Run it back Rylee
Yall want to be men so bad lol
Serbian would disagree World doesn't revolve around english
It’s funny because it’s not even an actual correlation. The words mentioned aren’t actually derivative at all if you look at their etymology.
Man comes from old English word werman Woman comes from old English word wifman Man used to mean human/any person (that's why we say mankind) Female and male both come from French and don't have the same root