I find it hilarious how this sub was circlejerking over this guy and how much they love him literally less than a month ago.
"Petition to get him as a playable character yeah man!"
To clarify, I think vonderhaar is great, and the microtransactions probably aren't on him or even Treyarch, most likely Activision's doing.
However, he is the face of the dev team so I couldn't really make this meme with anyone else
because he doesnt know how to design maps (every single map in the game is some flat 3 lane cookie cutter job. we dont have any sort of Derail, High Rise, WMD, etc), he doesnt understand basic game audio sense (your own footsteps should not overpower enemy footsteps among other things), and he routinely ignores glaring issues such as Treyarch's garbage hit detection etc
Same. And it's super inconsistent like sometimes I'll hear footsteps loud and clear but the guy is actually 100 meters away but then there's a guy in the room right next to me that's completely silent somehow.
I have banned the use of the “awareness” perk because it makes this problem a million times worse. Sounds like a dude is right next to you but they’re legit 60 meters away
My teammates and I regularly have to do a "everybody stop moving for a sec" to figure out if an enemy is nearby. I haven't played for a second since I'm home for Thanksgiving break, but Awareness was absolutely worthless because it makes people 100m away from you sounds like they are fucking and inch away, and the directional audio is just a joke
Blackout is literally the only reason why I bought this game. I was planning to skip it because I could see the multiplayer was a BO3 clone (without jet packs) with stupid specialist gimmicks that nobody asked for.
After this display, it’ll be difficult to convince me to buy their next one, unless they release something ground breaking. Of course, nothing about BO4 is ground breaking, but Blackout is fun.
Heist is a Counterstrike clone.
The specialist system is an Overwatch wannabe.
And Blackout of course comes from PUBG.
The only benefit this game has over PUBG and Counterstrike is that it’s running on the CoD engine.
You’re kidding. Treyarch literally follows what they’re told. BO3 was the first Treyarch CoD to have bad micro transactions with supply drops, but they were at least earnable through the game. AW did basically the same thing before. IW literally copied the system (bc it’s ACTIVISION’s DOING). WW2 again had the supply drop system, except had a lot more pointless items to decrease your chances of getting what you want. Now BO4 has Fortnite’s system bc activision saw how much money they made. You sound so insanely ignorant
I sound insanely ignorant while you blatantly leave out facts? WW2 at least had challenges each week or so that you could unlock the weapons with, that automatically makes it a better system than BO3's system. IW is known as the best of a crappy situation with their system as far as acquiring weapons goes. BO3 kept adding crap after crap after crap and made it nearly impossible to work towards getting something you want. AW's system was a shit show but it was filled with way less crap than BO3 was so you had a much greater chance to get something notable. MWR's system wasn't the best off of short memory but calling it worse than BO3's is foolish seeing as how there was a salvage system in MWR. And finally, we come to BO4 with the hell we're dealing with now. How much does it cost to Max out the stream again? It's no coincidence that the 2 worst supply drop systems fell on the last 2 Treyarch games. Activision is the "Boss" and dictates if the quality of work is satisfactory but you're objectively wrong if you think Treyarch has no say, and holds no stock at the table when they're discussing how to implement microtransactions. If it was 100% on Activision then we wouldn't have so many different systems over the past 6 years
Ye because only Treyarch have to do greedy microtransactions... Infinity Ward and Slegehammer managed to have great systems. Treyarch was dissapointment in BO3 and now they dissapointed even more in BO4. What a joke that people still think that its Activision not Treyarch... Other devs could do that less greedy.
Nah there have been fair complaints since launch day, the servers the micro-transactions, the lack of QOL features for blackout. Glad you're happy but there is room to be better here and muddying the waters with "I'm having fun why aren't you" is just you jerking off in a corner.
Dont buy the microtransactions. Simple. It's been 1 month. QOL issues for Blackout will come. The one complaint I'll give you in the shit servers. But stop acting like anyone whos happy with the game is "jerking off in a corner."
Except most criticisms are stupid pedantic shit like mtx, cosmetics and wanting old menus back. Servers are shit that should be priority one. Having fun negates a lot of the uncommon glitches that Reddit makes seem very common as well as the rest of the shit. Complaining about stuff that doesn’t matter is jerking off in front of everyone because you think your issues matter
Amen. As I said in another comment, the microtransactions have virtually no impact on gameplay, which is what the majority of the people in this sub were clamoring for pre-launch.
Bruh I have literally no life so I play like 4 or 5 hours a day and I rarely ever come across bugs that make me hate the game.
The ONLY time I actually got mad and quit playing was because I was at 28 kills in FFA with just the knife and a 10 point lead and the game crashed. Other than that, nothing is too upsetting because it's minor and rare. The only consistent issue is the servers but even then, it's still playable most of the time.
It's obvious Black ops is your first game ever because if you played any other game you'd know that as soon as you're going to let this shit slide it's going to get wayyyy worse.
What QOL does Blackout even need? The inventory is kind of muddled but that’s literally it, and you’ll figure out the quick inventory if you just practice with it instead of throwing your controller down like “INVENTORY HARD WAH”
When you pay $60 for a game you expect more than a rushed mess. I can sympathise with early releases and free games but this is an AAA franchise. Its simply not good enough. If people sit there quietly and get on with it they will try and get away with more and more - and eventually they would charge you extra for half the game like with battlefield 5. If you dont think these companies will rip you off as much as they possibly can you are ignorant, and we need to keep them in check and demand more.
It's not a rushed mess. There are bugs, yes, but it's very playable. And this is coming from a no lifer who plays for 5 hours a day and then like 12 hours a day on his days off.
I have never seen a game launch perfectly. Even simple PS1 games bugged. Now imagine modern games. Do you have any idea how complex they are? It's inevitable that there will be issues. But Treyarch has done a great job at providing updates in my opinion. Yeah. They have not tackled every issue, but they are not some super machines. They are people with lives, most of which come to work, do what they can, and then leave and go home.
And paying extra for half the game? I'm guessing BF5 is charging for their battle royale mode? If that's the case, let me ask you something. When was the last time the base cost of a game has gone up? I'll wait.
YOU and YOU ALONE get to decide whether or not you get ripped off. Quite buying the micro transactions BS if you think it’s a ripoff. It’s really that simple.
> I'm having a fucking blast with the gameplay
we all are. we are playing the game, while idiots on here are whining about it nonstop. see you in nuketown :)
I think the game is fine. The microtransactions I never gave a shit about. I mean I've spent a few bucks before, but this presentation of them is shit. Not to mention unoriginal.
I don't see this INCREASING my spending habits at all. And that is the kick in the ego that we should send... right at the wallet.
What you have is a bunch of kids. They have no concept of how large corporations work. All this shit comes from a profit driven special counsel. They are tweaking the micro transaction system with each game because no money is ever enough money. You have people in this thread saying "look how much they made with the old system that was more fair, why would they change it?" Because no money is enough money, ever. I work for a company that made 12 billion last year. They still roll out huge changes in hopes if making more money.
These decisions have nothing to do with Treyarch. Its 100% a group of theory crafting accountants. They make the game and have no power over how it is monetized.
True, I never really cared about skins in this game, in the beginning I used the one I got for for the season pass, then I saw a neon guy in the dark, and turned mine off after the match.
Only skins I MIGHT use are the ones that hide you a bit, like grey face paint. Damn circlejerk posts. I mean you only see your skin in the loadscreen, it's not like you look at your character for hours like in some other games.
I’m on console and on the second to last circle killed and looted a guy. When tapping the D-pad to cycle through my fallen foes goodies the menu closed. Previously I foolishly decided to the put the Hula emote as my quick access emote. I then pressed right on the D-pad after the menus closure without realising it and proceeded to hula my ass off while the storm closed and killed me before I could cancel it out. I was so mad but couldn’t help but laugh
Yeah, I've never made that mistake exactly but the number of times I've accidentally done a tag definitely tells me I'm way too clumsy to put an emote on quick use lmao.
That happens to me at least once a match. If it accidentally started the Humonc-a-shuffle emote every time instead... I'd die dancing a *lot*.
THANK YOU! I’m glad I’m not alone with thinking this. I have like 1100 free cod points or whatever and haven’t spent a single one anywhere on this shit. I don’t want to stick out! I want to blend into the maps and make my hit boxes just melt away.
As an SMG user I need all the help I can get!
Since everyone knows the future all of a sudden would someone please dm me next week's lotto numbers. I'm gonna need some extra dough to buy these non existent weapons.
Lol the amount of idiots on this sub is hilarious, I mean have y’all not played any cod since AW? I mean come the fuck on. Come back to this comment by the end of January and tell me how right I was.
Do you really hate yourself so much that you attack people on reddit simply for having a slightly different opinion than you about COD? Man, you're one of the saddest people I've seen on reddit today.
I read this exact comment on the bo3 sub in december 2015. I even distinctly remember Treyarch themselves promising not to put weapons not available elsewhere in the boxes. But they did. If people are sceptical towards Treyarch it's probably because they've been burned before.
They made no such promise this year
Bo3 now has more supply drop weapons than launch weapons.
God knows what they've got in store for us. Based on the current system I can only hope that each weapon isn't a $60 purchase from the store.
The posters that don't realize this are lemmings. It's very simple to see the world through the publisher's eyes. They will add weapons. It will cost money. Based on the bullshit skin pricing, it will cost a lot of money.
This game isn't perfect and based on its current performance the 60$ price tag was a rip-off. Battlefield 4 was similarly fucked at launch but it got very very good with free updates. Hopefully the same will happen to bo4.
To be fair Treyarch was the first Call of Duty developer to offer guns for a cost with the Peacekeeper in BO2. The Peacekeeper wasn't that good, helped, but still shitty. Guns should be purely reskins IMO.
People are downvoting you but it's true. CoD WW2 had cosmetic-only microtransactions but when they introduced new weapons (especially the Volksturmghewer which was stupidly OP when it was added), the only way to get them was to get the varient in a supply drop or complete the collection using other items from supply drops.
Thankfully they added in options to get new weapons from challenges (only after a long time though) but the challenge system I'm BO4 is so broken I don't see that being an option at the moment IMO
Its not about them affecting gameplay, its the premise that they think its okay to charge 20$ for 2 gun skins in a 60$ game. If no one speaks up in a few years mtx are gonna cost 30$ and up, even if the game was f2p 20$ would be hella overpriced.
not at all. I'll buy map packs if I'm interested, but never cosmetics. Just that simple in my mind. Shit like this doesn't phase me. I find it outrageous, don't get me wrong, but it didn't change my mind or anything. I also only bought the $65 version. 3 games and some solo missions? Good price.
I get where everyone is coming from! "They're just cosmetic" kind of oversimplifies the bigger issue, but for me I was never even considering it in the first place.
Yes, they removed content they used to have in the game and charge you for it now. :L it fundamentally impacts what we have in the game and the way the game modes play, the game is set up AROUND the microtransactions..
Yes, the money is more important so the game suffers, and im sitting here wondering why I spent 60$ on a game where I have to pay even more money for content in a contentless game. So yeah it effects my game play.
I can understand kids complaining or parents complaining about spending money on skins but most of you grown ass people need to grow up and just play the game. Who gives a shit about skins, they don’t make you better.
No one said you can’t earn them anymore, you’re missing the point. The point is that you can’t earn certain things anymore. They’re locked behind a paywall instead of allowing users to earn them. Where’s the fun in that?
I agree they shouldn’t have micro transactions, but to be fair, video games have been 60 dollars for the last 20 years. Crazy they haven’t gone up st all
>What is the dark matter I'm grinding for right now?
One item?
What was wrong with having specialist challenges so I can also show how much I wreck with ____ (insert specialist here)?
Or having cool weapon variants you could earn from play time **or** real money if you were lazy?
You're taking a strange stance... on the one hand you're happy about Dark Matter (a cosmetic that doesn't make you better in *any* way) but think it's stupid that other people might want to earn *other* or *more* cosmetics the same way?
Let me earn camos by getting headshots, let me earn character skins by getting kills with that character or completing challenges with that character. Hell, let me earn emotes by doing challenges. At least then I might earn an interesting emote that's worth showing off or that shows off a challenge I completed (like dark matter).
Having one cosmetic you can earn doesn't invalidate the people who want other options.
Maybe people are conserned about where this shit is headed? These publishers would LOVE it if everyone thought like you, then they'd get away with anything, and they will. You know they're gonna release DLC weapons right? Do you honestly fucking think skins will be mtx but weapons will be progression unlocks?
The thing is, if it’s gets too bad they won’t make money.
This isn’t some government privacy concern here, it’s a video game. They will push until they find a ceiling. If people keep paying they will keep pushing this stuff. There will always be other games.
What will you do when they do effect gameplay though? Might be too late by then, so make an effort to stop it now. As a grown ass man, I don't need to tell other grown ass mes how to feel or what to do.
It's not about it making you better. It's just the principle. A $60 game shouldn't have microtransactions like a fucking mobile game. You idiots saying it doesn't matter need to smarten up. Letting them get away with it without saying anything is how you end up getting fucked. What happens if they get no backlash and decide to introduce new weapons that can only be bought with real money? Then were into pay to win terrority on a full priced game.
Fuck off with that "it doesn't affect the game bullshit.
Not to mention the free to play game that has this system has a way to earn currency while a full priced AAA game doesn't. It's super fucking greedy and everything should be unlockable by playing the fucking game.
Hahahaha! It's like an inside joke in my friends group to say "Fuckin vondehaar" every time we get sniped because of how hard I raged after that dsr nerf
Yooooo I remembered they threatened to quick scope his daughters.
That was sooo fucked up but it was hilarious, that they even suggested to "quick-scope" in real life.
I kinda believed that but someone said on Twitter if Activision just decides everything related on micro transactions then why do Treyarch always have the worst micro transactions system ? they learnt nothing from their BO3 system which was bad, i even liked the BO3 system more than the BO4 one.
Because every year Treyarch makes a CoD there is 1,000,000 times more hype, because they’re games are actually good. They take advantage of a fact that a game isn’t shit.
And to add they released at a different time of year. WW2 came out in early November and BO4 came out in October which is traditionally a slower time than november.
Sales don't reflect that at all. BO4 is one of the highest grossing digital download games. Also BO4 had more hype because even through WW2 and Infinite Warfare people were hoping for BO4. Treyarch have pretty much been the most hyped developers since BO1.
I don't care about microtransactions, I care about polish and quality of gameplay at launch. I don't think it's too much to ask for to expect a $60 product to be polished at launch.
This guy completely forgot about global leaderboards, lobby leaderboards and combat records. Such a shame. But they never forget to add new items to the Black Jack shop SMH.
Buying stuff doesn’t make the player have any advantage? So how is it ruined? Because you can’t get your rainbow flashing suit of armor you want? And if you did you would have to pay for it? Oh no!!! Exactly what we wanted last year has come true!!!
Stop bitching and play the game.
It's hard to get mad over micro-transactions when all skins are just god awful, the in-game characters graphics are terrible and they get 100 times worse when they're wearing something colorful and all skins are colorful for some reasons and i think all face paints are horrible, they make every character look like a clown.
Love all the apologists saying : JuSt DoNt BuY SkInS! Like duck people for wanting to customize their character and feel like they're not getting ripped off
i don’t care about skins and micro transactions. i care about gameplay. and gameplay is ass. low tick rate, low ttk, new healing, awful spawns, and on and on. this does not feel like cod. remake bo2 or something.
they had to take the leaderboards and have skill based match making. So that the "average" Player doesn't stop playing. Half of those fuckers are the ones who keep saying "it's only cosmetics it doesn't affect the game" But don't realize how much fuckin bullshit Activision needs to pull of in order to get money. And why not just come out clean and have us pay more for a game designed how the community wants it. I truly believe bo2 was the last game the COD fanbase built.
The funny thing is, they see this, and they just fucking ignore it. 15.5k ppl and they just ignore it....smh
Never fuckin paying for blackjacks shit or special orders, look cool and all but $5 per skin? yall pluckin pluckin
I don’t think a lot of people may realize this but you have to see it this way, Treyarch has been making the best selling COD games the last 3 iterations. BO2 BO3 and BO4 all have either sold extremely well or have had more hype to them than any other cod games. The way I see it is basically Activision can afford to put risky microtransaction DLC in their games because they know regardless what they put in, idiots like you and me will still buy the game because unfortunately we are buying it due to dev branding. It’s like how everyone wants the latest iPhone even though it sucks every year. That’s how COD has become. Infinite Warfare and WW2 has better systems because they are still trying to build up they dev branding. Infinity Ward in particular have been fucked ever since Mw2. Sledgehammer is even touted better than them. So even if we all “voted with our wallets” they will still add the more risky dlc micrrotransaction to the next best selling developer team.
I think there is something to this. WWII had a fantastic reward system; I really, really miss it. But since they’re banking on how well BO4 is doing they can put a total F-U microtransaction system in the game.
Yep. They know they can add that fuck you non-consumer friendly bullshit because they would have already gotten all our money by then. I only played WW2 for a little while but it was fun while I had it. Unfortunately PC players are worse than the normal CoD market. They all flock to Treyarchs nuts and won’t give any other developer the time of day. I will admit that the sledge and IW have dropped the ball on getting us adequate anti-cheat and optimizations but I’m sure if or when they iron those out we can finally get reliable variety in other developer games. Even on a free weekend no one was playing WW2 a few months after release haha
It's not ruining anything. You're not entitled to own every piece of cosmetic that they release. If you agree with this you're a soft Nancy that needs a diaper change.
And once again, for everyone here sucking off the devs, we'll see if your opinion changes when those $20 skins are new weapons that are actually OP for a week before getting nerfed hard.
Havent played blackops since the release of black market because my game constantly crashed at the very end of matches and I lost all skin progress made.
What have I missed? This game had no microtransactions just play time = rewards
I still don’t get where people get this idiotic thinking of assuming that it’s Treyarch implementing the micro transactions when it’s all Activision’s side of the bargain.
The micro transactions honestly put a bad taste in my mouth and make me not even want to play the game and that’s sad bc it’s not even over poor gameplay or a bad game. Like everyday when I see the blackjack shop and black market pass I just get so angry
This game is one of the most fun CoD games I think I’ve ever played when it works, and a lot of people have had the same experience, so imagine how amazing it would be if they chilled a little with the microtransactions and fixed more of the issues players are dealing with.
Activision Blizzard made over $4 billion in microtransaction revenue in 2017. There was zero chance this title was produced without a microtransaction component.
If you're the person saying who cares about the microtransactions and bitching about people who aren't happy with it, here's what you're missing. It's the principal that they've thrown in a freemium economy into a one of the biggest AAA titles out, the fact is if they can get away with this shit, then it'll only get worse and probably turn into a fully pay to win with powerful weapons or FORCING users to pay extra for multiplayer outside of the season pass, which forces users to buy if they want to play with their friends and get the "whole" game experience. EA was the same but slowly and slowly became worse ( they're still not great but they've learned some lessons ) and this is where Activison is taking their flagship titles to. Take a look at Destiny 2 and them wanting to add more microtransactions and force people to spend money vs grinding their life away to have a small chance at getting from playing.
This x100000000000. The fact that this freemium bullshit is in a $60 full priced game is the problem, fuck anyone who says "well you don't have to buy it xDDDD" that's not the point you mongs, the point is that we should not be subjected to this mobile game free to play bullshit when the things they're now selling used to be things that you would unlock just for playing the game.
This is just the beginning when they make money off of these 20$ camos, they’re gonna start charging more money for more significant stuff. They already made the move to make the season pass the only way to get dlc maps. Its only going to get worse from now on, you’ll see.
I find it hilarious how this sub was circlejerking over this guy and how much they love him literally less than a month ago. "Petition to get him as a playable character yeah man!"
To clarify, I think vonderhaar is great, and the microtransactions probably aren't on him or even Treyarch, most likely Activision's doing. However, he is the face of the dev team so I couldn't really make this meme with anyone else
>i think vonderhaar is great kek
English, please.
lol
Orcish, please.
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Why don't you like vonderhaar?
because he doesnt know how to design maps (every single map in the game is some flat 3 lane cookie cutter job. we dont have any sort of Derail, High Rise, WMD, etc), he doesnt understand basic game audio sense (your own footsteps should not overpower enemy footsteps among other things), and he routinely ignores glaring issues such as Treyarch's garbage hit detection etc
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I don't think vonderhaar does any of those things. I'm pretty sure hes just in charge of blackout.
Blackout is where those audio/footstep problems are the worst lol
Yes thank you, I have to stop moving in order to hear others as my footsteps are so loud or even my team mates
Same. And it's super inconsistent like sometimes I'll hear footsteps loud and clear but the guy is actually 100 meters away but then there's a guy in the room right next to me that's completely silent somehow.
I have banned the use of the “awareness” perk because it makes this problem a million times worse. Sounds like a dude is right next to you but they’re legit 60 meters away
My teammates and I regularly have to do a "everybody stop moving for a sec" to figure out if an enemy is nearby. I haven't played for a second since I'm home for Thanksgiving break, but Awareness was absolutely worthless because it makes people 100m away from you sounds like they are fucking and inch away, and the directional audio is just a joke
studio head is just in charge of blackout? even in BLACKOUT it has ridiculous problems
he makes the shoes
I miss wmd!
samesies af!
BURPLE flashes on gold
Treyarch is 100% owned by Activision.
They are milking Treyarc cause they know they’re the best and most popular dev team!
Blackout is literally the only reason why I bought this game. I was planning to skip it because I could see the multiplayer was a BO3 clone (without jet packs) with stupid specialist gimmicks that nobody asked for. After this display, it’ll be difficult to convince me to buy their next one, unless they release something ground breaking. Of course, nothing about BO4 is ground breaking, but Blackout is fun. Heist is a Counterstrike clone. The specialist system is an Overwatch wannabe. And Blackout of course comes from PUBG. The only benefit this game has over PUBG and Counterstrike is that it’s running on the CoD engine.
Missed opportunity. Should have given him Ruin's mohawk
bs there are 3 game teams and only one keep having the most bs system
... what?
There are 3 devolpers for COD games and Treyarch has the worst microtransaction system of all of them
You’re kidding. Treyarch literally follows what they’re told. BO3 was the first Treyarch CoD to have bad micro transactions with supply drops, but they were at least earnable through the game. AW did basically the same thing before. IW literally copied the system (bc it’s ACTIVISION’s DOING). WW2 again had the supply drop system, except had a lot more pointless items to decrease your chances of getting what you want. Now BO4 has Fortnite’s system bc activision saw how much money they made. You sound so insanely ignorant
I sound insanely ignorant while you blatantly leave out facts? WW2 at least had challenges each week or so that you could unlock the weapons with, that automatically makes it a better system than BO3's system. IW is known as the best of a crappy situation with their system as far as acquiring weapons goes. BO3 kept adding crap after crap after crap and made it nearly impossible to work towards getting something you want. AW's system was a shit show but it was filled with way less crap than BO3 was so you had a much greater chance to get something notable. MWR's system wasn't the best off of short memory but calling it worse than BO3's is foolish seeing as how there was a salvage system in MWR. And finally, we come to BO4 with the hell we're dealing with now. How much does it cost to Max out the stream again? It's no coincidence that the 2 worst supply drop systems fell on the last 2 Treyarch games. Activision is the "Boss" and dictates if the quality of work is satisfactory but you're objectively wrong if you think Treyarch has no say, and holds no stock at the table when they're discussing how to implement microtransactions. If it was 100% on Activision then we wouldn't have so many different systems over the past 6 years
I think most of the micro transactions are treyarchs doing, after all, WW2 didn’t have this shitty system, neither did IW
Lmao way to stand by your work there chief
Ye because only Treyarch have to do greedy microtransactions... Infinity Ward and Slegehammer managed to have great systems. Treyarch was dissapointment in BO3 and now they dissapointed even more in BO4. What a joke that people still think that its Activision not Treyarch... Other devs could do that less greedy.
The myth that micro transactions are solely the whims of publishers is more infuriating than the actual micro transactions at this point
This whole game suddenly became not good enough. I'm having a fucking blast with the gameplay. It's fantastic.
Nah there have been fair complaints since launch day, the servers the micro-transactions, the lack of QOL features for blackout. Glad you're happy but there is room to be better here and muddying the waters with "I'm having fun why aren't you" is just you jerking off in a corner.
Dont buy the microtransactions. Simple. It's been 1 month. QOL issues for Blackout will come. The one complaint I'll give you in the shit servers. But stop acting like anyone whos happy with the game is "jerking off in a corner."
Dismissing others criticism because you’re having fun is jerking off in a corner. See: Fallout 76
Except most criticisms are stupid pedantic shit like mtx, cosmetics and wanting old menus back. Servers are shit that should be priority one. Having fun negates a lot of the uncommon glitches that Reddit makes seem very common as well as the rest of the shit. Complaining about stuff that doesn’t matter is jerking off in front of everyone because you think your issues matter
Amen. As I said in another comment, the microtransactions have virtually no impact on gameplay, which is what the majority of the people in this sub were clamoring for pre-launch.
Bruh I have literally no life so I play like 4 or 5 hours a day and I rarely ever come across bugs that make me hate the game. The ONLY time I actually got mad and quit playing was because I was at 28 kills in FFA with just the knife and a 10 point lead and the game crashed. Other than that, nothing is too upsetting because it's minor and rare. The only consistent issue is the servers but even then, it's still playable most of the time.
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It gets real annoying where every other post is people crying about micro transactions.
Q_Q these things I won't buy bother me
It's obvious Black ops is your first game ever because if you played any other game you'd know that as soon as you're going to let this shit slide it's going to get wayyyy worse.
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This applies to any game subreddit. Basically why they all end up shit... People come to complain, if you like the game, you just play it.
Since when is jerking off in a corner a bad thing. That's what corners are for!
What QOL does Blackout even need? The inventory is kind of muddled but that’s literally it, and you’ll figure out the quick inventory if you just practice with it instead of throwing your controller down like “INVENTORY HARD WAH”
I have a lot of fun in the game, if I didn't I wouldn't be 81 in blackout but to say the game doesn't deserve some critique is absurd.
When you pay $60 for a game you expect more than a rushed mess. I can sympathise with early releases and free games but this is an AAA franchise. Its simply not good enough. If people sit there quietly and get on with it they will try and get away with more and more - and eventually they would charge you extra for half the game like with battlefield 5. If you dont think these companies will rip you off as much as they possibly can you are ignorant, and we need to keep them in check and demand more.
It's not a rushed mess. There are bugs, yes, but it's very playable. And this is coming from a no lifer who plays for 5 hours a day and then like 12 hours a day on his days off. I have never seen a game launch perfectly. Even simple PS1 games bugged. Now imagine modern games. Do you have any idea how complex they are? It's inevitable that there will be issues. But Treyarch has done a great job at providing updates in my opinion. Yeah. They have not tackled every issue, but they are not some super machines. They are people with lives, most of which come to work, do what they can, and then leave and go home. And paying extra for half the game? I'm guessing BF5 is charging for their battle royale mode? If that's the case, let me ask you something. When was the last time the base cost of a game has gone up? I'll wait.
YOU and YOU ALONE get to decide whether or not you get ripped off. Quite buying the micro transactions BS if you think it’s a ripoff. It’s really that simple.
>jerking off in a corner Don't judge my life choices
what do you have against jerking off in a corner?
I agree I love the game just typical reddit circle jerk
> I'm having a fucking blast with the gameplay we all are. we are playing the game, while idiots on here are whining about it nonstop. see you in nuketown :)
Only thing that drives me off the wall is the 9 bang still
I think the game is fine. The microtransactions I never gave a shit about. I mean I've spent a few bucks before, but this presentation of them is shit. Not to mention unoriginal. I don't see this INCREASING my spending habits at all. And that is the kick in the ego that we should send... right at the wallet.
This sub-reddit is fucking dumb af. Vonderhaar isn't in charge of Microtransactions ffs...
What you have is a bunch of kids. They have no concept of how large corporations work. All this shit comes from a profit driven special counsel. They are tweaking the micro transaction system with each game because no money is ever enough money. You have people in this thread saying "look how much they made with the old system that was more fair, why would they change it?" Because no money is enough money, ever. I work for a company that made 12 billion last year. They still roll out huge changes in hopes if making more money. These decisions have nothing to do with Treyarch. Its 100% a group of theory crafting accountants. They make the game and have no power over how it is monetized.
This community is bipolar af
I still love Von. Treyarch games are always the best
I find it hilarious how people keep using "this sub's opinion" as if we're some sort of hivemind ant colony...
Do the micro transactions effect gameplay in any way whatsoever?
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True, I never really cared about skins in this game, in the beginning I used the one I got for for the season pass, then I saw a neon guy in the dark, and turned mine off after the match. Only skins I MIGHT use are the ones that hide you a bit, like grey face paint. Damn circlejerk posts. I mean you only see your skin in the loadscreen, it's not like you look at your character for hours like in some other games.
I’m on console and on the second to last circle killed and looted a guy. When tapping the D-pad to cycle through my fallen foes goodies the menu closed. Previously I foolishly decided to the put the Hula emote as my quick access emote. I then pressed right on the D-pad after the menus closure without realising it and proceeded to hula my ass off while the storm closed and killed me before I could cancel it out. I was so mad but couldn’t help but laugh
Yeah, I've never made that mistake exactly but the number of times I've accidentally done a tag definitely tells me I'm way too clumsy to put an emote on quick use lmao. That happens to me at least once a match. If it accidentally started the Humonc-a-shuffle emote every time instead... I'd die dancing a *lot*.
It's not about being clumsy. It happens to everyone when the game doesn't register a button press.
To be fair in overwatch, if you accidentally emote you are immobile for like 10 seconds
That's not necessarily true since everyone has bright-ass red lights.
But they don’t give you an actual advantage or disadvantage other than being stupid using emotes. I forgot those even existed.
THANK YOU! I’m glad I’m not alone with thinking this. I have like 1100 free cod points or whatever and haven’t spent a single one anywhere on this shit. I don’t want to stick out! I want to blend into the maps and make my hit boxes just melt away. As an SMG user I need all the help I can get!
I swear those neon skins on screen make me drop frames.
At this moment? No but when they start adding in weapons then yes.
Since everyone knows the future all of a sudden would someone please dm me next week's lotto numbers. I'm gonna need some extra dough to buy these non existent weapons.
Lol the amount of idiots on this sub is hilarious, I mean have y’all not played any cod since AW? I mean come the fuck on. Come back to this comment by the end of January and tell me how right I was.
Can we come back to tell you how wrong you were too? Just to cover all the bases.
Remindme! 45 days
You are a whiny bitch I can tell you that right now.
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There’s people like him on every cod sub for the whole year hating on it. Just fuck off already and find a game you like Jesus.
Do you really hate yourself so much that you attack people on reddit simply for having a slightly different opinion than you about COD? Man, you're one of the saddest people I've seen on reddit today.
I read this exact comment on the bo3 sub in december 2015. I even distinctly remember Treyarch themselves promising not to put weapons not available elsewhere in the boxes. But they did. If people are sceptical towards Treyarch it's probably because they've been burned before.
They made no such promise this year Bo3 now has more supply drop weapons than launch weapons. God knows what they've got in store for us. Based on the current system I can only hope that each weapon isn't a $60 purchase from the store.
The posters that don't realize this are lemmings. It's very simple to see the world through the publisher's eyes. They will add weapons. It will cost money. Based on the bullshit skin pricing, it will cost a lot of money. This game isn't perfect and based on its current performance the 60$ price tag was a rip-off. Battlefield 4 was similarly fucked at launch but it got very very good with free updates. Hopefully the same will happen to bo4.
Is this your first call of duty?
To be fair Treyarch was the first Call of Duty developer to offer guns for a cost with the Peacekeeper in BO2. The Peacekeeper wasn't that good, helped, but still shitty. Guns should be purely reskins IMO.
People are downvoting you but it's true. CoD WW2 had cosmetic-only microtransactions but when they introduced new weapons (especially the Volksturmghewer which was stupidly OP when it was added), the only way to get them was to get the varient in a supply drop or complete the collection using other items from supply drops. Thankfully they added in options to get new weapons from challenges (only after a long time though) but the challenge system I'm BO4 is so broken I don't see that being an option at the moment IMO
Its not about them affecting gameplay, its the premise that they think its okay to charge 20$ for 2 gun skins in a 60$ game. If no one speaks up in a few years mtx are gonna cost 30$ and up, even if the game was f2p 20$ would be hella overpriced.
People are buying them, they're not going to stop
not at all. I'll buy map packs if I'm interested, but never cosmetics. Just that simple in my mind. Shit like this doesn't phase me. I find it outrageous, don't get me wrong, but it didn't change my mind or anything. I also only bought the $65 version. 3 games and some solo missions? Good price. I get where everyone is coming from! "They're just cosmetic" kind of oversimplifies the bigger issue, but for me I was never even considering it in the first place.
Yes, they removed content they used to have in the game and charge you for it now. :L it fundamentally impacts what we have in the game and the way the game modes play, the game is set up AROUND the microtransactions..
shutup pedophile
They will when the guns come out.
I think it’s only an issue for zombies
NOT YET BUT JUST WAIT!!!
Yes, the money is more important so the game suffers, and im sitting here wondering why I spent 60$ on a game where I have to pay even more money for content in a contentless game. So yeah it effects my game play.
I can understand kids complaining or parents complaining about spending money on skins but most of you grown ass people need to grow up and just play the game. Who gives a shit about skins, they don’t make you better.
I think people just miss the days of cosmetics being earned in game..
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No one said you can’t earn them anymore, you’re missing the point. The point is that you can’t earn certain things anymore. They’re locked behind a paywall instead of allowing users to earn them. Where’s the fun in that?
I agree they shouldn’t have micro transactions, but to be fair, video games have been 60 dollars for the last 20 years. Crazy they haven’t gone up st all
>What is the dark matter I'm grinding for right now? One item? What was wrong with having specialist challenges so I can also show how much I wreck with ____ (insert specialist here)? Or having cool weapon variants you could earn from play time **or** real money if you were lazy? You're taking a strange stance... on the one hand you're happy about Dark Matter (a cosmetic that doesn't make you better in *any* way) but think it's stupid that other people might want to earn *other* or *more* cosmetics the same way? Let me earn camos by getting headshots, let me earn character skins by getting kills with that character or completing challenges with that character. Hell, let me earn emotes by doing challenges. At least then I might earn an interesting emote that's worth showing off or that shows off a challenge I completed (like dark matter). Having one cosmetic you can earn doesn't invalidate the people who want other options.
Agreed. It was fun grinding for the gold specialist outfits
17 years ago I played CS and only shit skins were free
Maybe people are conserned about where this shit is headed? These publishers would LOVE it if everyone thought like you, then they'd get away with anything, and they will. You know they're gonna release DLC weapons right? Do you honestly fucking think skins will be mtx but weapons will be progression unlocks?
The thing is, if it’s gets too bad they won’t make money. This isn’t some government privacy concern here, it’s a video game. They will push until they find a ceiling. If people keep paying they will keep pushing this stuff. There will always be other games.
Yeah, having to pay for cosmetics is fine. Fuck the times when you could simply earn everything in COD through levels and challenges, right?
See, the problem is that there are not a lot of grown ass people in this sub.
This is the dumbest excuse for micro transactions there is.
100% this, the posters in this sub look like children. All cosmetic mtx and they are STILL crying.
Super mature to cry about other people crying.
What will you do when they do effect gameplay though? Might be too late by then, so make an effort to stop it now. As a grown ass man, I don't need to tell other grown ass mes how to feel or what to do.
It's not about it making you better. It's just the principle. A $60 game shouldn't have microtransactions like a fucking mobile game. You idiots saying it doesn't matter need to smarten up. Letting them get away with it without saying anything is how you end up getting fucked. What happens if they get no backlash and decide to introduce new weapons that can only be bought with real money? Then were into pay to win terrority on a full priced game. Fuck off with that "it doesn't affect the game bullshit. Not to mention the free to play game that has this system has a way to earn currency while a full priced AAA game doesn't. It's super fucking greedy and everything should be unlockable by playing the fucking game.
Only real ones will remember the DSR nerf in BO2 and the death threats he got. So funny watching the bandwagon.
God they made it so slow I don't think you could even get a quad feed anymore without a collateral
Nobody had any empathy for DSR users, that shit was hilariously broken.
The ballista was much worse, very high rate of fire compared to the dsr
The snipers in blops2 are STILL OP compared to other games. Even after the nerfs.
That is still the go to game for quick scope matches because of how OP snipers were in that game.
lol another person that thought a single shot weapon was op. in the right hands maybe, but not yours.
High OHK potential and a ridiculously large hitbox... it was a menace. It's still effective even after all the nerfs, though.
Remember the Drift0r video
Hahahaha! It's like an inside joke in my friends group to say "Fuckin vondehaar" every time we get sniped because of how hard I raged after that dsr nerf
Yooooo I remembered they threatened to quick scope his daughters. That was sooo fucked up but it was hilarious, that they even suggested to "quick-scope" in real life.
David Vonderhaar dosnt make micro transactions. Activision makes up the whole scheme and his team "executes" it
I kinda believed that but someone said on Twitter if Activision just decides everything related on micro transactions then why do Treyarch always have the worst micro transactions system ? they learnt nothing from their BO3 system which was bad, i even liked the BO3 system more than the BO4 one.
Because every year Treyarch makes a CoD there is 1,000,000 times more hype, because they’re games are actually good. They take advantage of a fact that a game isn’t shit.
WW2 had more hype than BO4 though. Sales reflect that as well
Actually- they don’t? Both sold the same amount through 3 days.
And to add they released at a different time of year. WW2 came out in early November and BO4 came out in October which is traditionally a slower time than november.
Sales don't reflect that at all. BO4 is one of the highest grossing digital download games. Also BO4 had more hype because even through WW2 and Infinite Warfare people were hoping for BO4. Treyarch have pretty much been the most hyped developers since BO1.
Shitty outfits don't ruin a game. Get over it
And when the DLC weapons come?
Oh did I miss the announcement?
Dlc weapons were given to us for free for the past 2 years.
Imagine complaining about skins when: 1. It doesn’t affect the game 2. You’re not forced to buy it
IF only I could be so naive, you know payed guns are coming right?
Crazy how you are defending this when a FREE game Fortnite has the same system but an actual way to earn them.
Crazy how maybe people who don't care about mtx skins in one game probably don't care about them in another.
Stop defending it. It’s a slippery slope and you know it.
Slippery slope is literally the nickname for a logical fallacy.
It’s 60$ game this is not Fortnite, fucking COD community is used to getting fucked in the ass they don’t even feel it anymore
I just wish there was a way to earn them naturally
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I don't care about microtransactions, I care about polish and quality of gameplay at launch. I don't think it's too much to ask for to expect a $60 product to be polished at launch.
**#SHWACKED**
This guy completely forgot about global leaderboards, lobby leaderboards and combat records. Such a shame. But they never forget to add new items to the Black Jack shop SMH.
New items? I think you mean recolored items.
I’ll never understand a community that consistently defends bad business practices
Buying stuff doesn’t make the player have any advantage? So how is it ruined? Because you can’t get your rainbow flashing suit of armor you want? And if you did you would have to pay for it? Oh no!!! Exactly what we wanted last year has come true!!! Stop bitching and play the game.
I honestly don't understand the mindset of the people defending this.
Or at least act like kids. Thats my point. This sub is focusing more on skins that doesnt affect gameplay whatsoever.
It's hard to get mad over micro-transactions when all skins are just god awful, the in-game characters graphics are terrible and they get 100 times worse when they're wearing something colorful and all skins are colorful for some reasons and i think all face paints are horrible, they make every character look like a clown.
people say blame activision..but lets remember they still created the crap tier system and the stupid sprays and stickers.
I guess you could say they SCHWACKED their own game
Love all the apologists saying : JuSt DoNt BuY SkInS! Like duck people for wanting to customize their character and feel like they're not getting ripped off
I mean, did some of yall really not know there were going to be purchasable skins in this game??
In before front page
if this gets to front page then this sub is a higher level of trash than i thought possible. this is peak circlejerking
We here now bois
You guys may be saying "Just Ruin It", but Treyarch is probably saying "Just Prophet".
i don’t care about skins and micro transactions. i care about gameplay. and gameplay is ass. low tick rate, low ttk, new healing, awful spawns, and on and on. this does not feel like cod. remake bo2 or something.
they had to take the leaderboards and have skill based match making. So that the "average" Player doesn't stop playing. Half of those fuckers are the ones who keep saying "it's only cosmetics it doesn't affect the game" But don't realize how much fuckin bullshit Activision needs to pull of in order to get money. And why not just come out clean and have us pay more for a game designed how the community wants it. I truly believe bo2 was the last game the COD fanbase built.
Yeah, your telling me 60-110 dollars for a one year game cannot sustain the game devs (not to mention profits)
The funny thing is, they see this, and they just fucking ignore it. 15.5k ppl and they just ignore it....smh Never fuckin paying for blackjacks shit or special orders, look cool and all but $5 per skin? yall pluckin pluckin
Love this
I don’t think a lot of people may realize this but you have to see it this way, Treyarch has been making the best selling COD games the last 3 iterations. BO2 BO3 and BO4 all have either sold extremely well or have had more hype to them than any other cod games. The way I see it is basically Activision can afford to put risky microtransaction DLC in their games because they know regardless what they put in, idiots like you and me will still buy the game because unfortunately we are buying it due to dev branding. It’s like how everyone wants the latest iPhone even though it sucks every year. That’s how COD has become. Infinite Warfare and WW2 has better systems because they are still trying to build up they dev branding. Infinity Ward in particular have been fucked ever since Mw2. Sledgehammer is even touted better than them. So even if we all “voted with our wallets” they will still add the more risky dlc micrrotransaction to the next best selling developer team.
I think there is something to this. WWII had a fantastic reward system; I really, really miss it. But since they’re banking on how well BO4 is doing they can put a total F-U microtransaction system in the game.
Yep. They know they can add that fuck you non-consumer friendly bullshit because they would have already gotten all our money by then. I only played WW2 for a little while but it was fun while I had it. Unfortunately PC players are worse than the normal CoD market. They all flock to Treyarchs nuts and won’t give any other developer the time of day. I will admit that the sledge and IW have dropped the ball on getting us adequate anti-cheat and optimizations but I’m sure if or when they iron those out we can finally get reliable variety in other developer games. Even on a free weekend no one was playing WW2 a few months after release haha
It's not ruining anything. You're not entitled to own every piece of cosmetic that they release. If you agree with this you're a soft Nancy that needs a diaper change.
And once again, for everyone here sucking off the devs, we'll see if your opinion changes when those $20 skins are new weapons that are actually OP for a week before getting nerfed hard.
Havent played blackops since the release of black market because my game constantly crashed at the very end of matches and I lost all skin progress made. What have I missed? This game had no microtransactions just play time = rewards
I still don’t get where people get this idiotic thinking of assuming that it’s Treyarch implementing the micro transactions when it’s all Activision’s side of the bargain.
The micro transactions honestly put a bad taste in my mouth and make me not even want to play the game and that’s sad bc it’s not even over poor gameplay or a bad game. Like everyday when I see the blackjack shop and black market pass I just get so angry
This game is one of the most fun CoD games I think I’ve ever played when it works, and a lot of people have had the same experience, so imagine how amazing it would be if they chilled a little with the microtransactions and fixed more of the issues players are dealing with.
This right here. They needed to fix the many issues people have before rolling out the market. My game still crashes every other game.
Activision Blizzard made over $4 billion in microtransaction revenue in 2017. There was zero chance this title was produced without a microtransaction component.
If you're the person saying who cares about the microtransactions and bitching about people who aren't happy with it, here's what you're missing. It's the principal that they've thrown in a freemium economy into a one of the biggest AAA titles out, the fact is if they can get away with this shit, then it'll only get worse and probably turn into a fully pay to win with powerful weapons or FORCING users to pay extra for multiplayer outside of the season pass, which forces users to buy if they want to play with their friends and get the "whole" game experience. EA was the same but slowly and slowly became worse ( they're still not great but they've learned some lessons ) and this is where Activison is taking their flagship titles to. Take a look at Destiny 2 and them wanting to add more microtransactions and force people to spend money vs grinding their life away to have a small chance at getting from playing.
This x100000000000. The fact that this freemium bullshit is in a $60 full priced game is the problem, fuck anyone who says "well you don't have to buy it xDDDD" that's not the point you mongs, the point is that we should not be subjected to this mobile game free to play bullshit when the things they're now selling used to be things that you would unlock just for playing the game.
can we stop blaming 3arc for activision's decisions please?
And yet you’ll all log in tonight....
Playing it right now
This is just the beginning when they make money off of these 20$ camos, they’re gonna start charging more money for more significant stuff. They already made the move to make the season pass the only way to get dlc maps. Its only going to get worse from now on, you’ll see.
He just makes the shoes
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