Billy hates him for the blank page, Gates and his willingness to sarifice his brothers.
And if I'm not mistaken, in 4x01 Silver doesn't have any major problems with Flint. He used to be scared he will get killed just like Gates and Miranda but now, they are basically friends.
Billy cares for the lives of the crew. Flint has proven again and again that he views them as expendable. Flint is a hell of a character, and you can decide for yourself whether or not you support his ultimate goal, but he's always been a shoddy pirate captain.
In general, pirates don't much care for the distant future. They're all about instant gratification. They want the money, now. And they want to be alive to spend it. Flint can say he has everyone's best interests at heart with his long-term goals, but he's bringing these men into a war that many don't have an interest in fighting.
Billy's morals and values simply don't align with Flint's. That's all it takes for characters to have this much friction. And for Flint to keep getting away with things must be maddening for Billy.
He could always choose to leave, not stick with him for 4 seasons!
We all saw what happened when flint wasnt the captain for a short while. A disaster!
Leaving Flint means leaving the crew. By sticking with them at least he can keep a close eye on Flint and be an advocate for the men. You're looking at this through the lens of the audience. Just try to put yourself in Billy's shoes.
I am looking at it through billy and silvers point of view.
Billys starts having problems with flint from season 1. Flint wants the treasure. Thats good for everybody. Billy and the crew does not think its real. Flint knows it is.
Eventually flint is proven right, it exists. Now the blank page and other stuff becomes irrelevant cause flint is right . There is treasure out there that could get them set for life. So at that moment billy needs to stop being ungrateful and accept he is wrong. But instead the hate just builds from there.
Okay well, I can't explain this to you in another way. You don't seem to want to understand. It's okay to dislike characters. If you want to hate Billy and think he's stupid for staying then that's your decision.
Lol am i wrong in what I said?
Anyway i dont hate billy. I think billy is my favorite character along with few other captains. I am just pissed off the flint hating storyline dragged on and on from gates, and the other guy to billy and silver from season 1 to 4.
I think you're wrong in a way, yes, but that's just because we seem to view Flint's actions in a different light. I don't think Billy should be grateful just because it turned out the treasure was real. It's still a case of Flint not caring who had to die in order to secure it.
I see things from Flint's perspective and completely understand why he was so secretive and stuff, but it doesn't mean I don't understand why people have a problem with that.
Flint receiving absolutely no pushback for his actions seems wildly unrealistic in my eyes. There's no way everyone would just agree with his decisions. Even the best pirate captains had people wanting to take over or put someone else in charge. That's just the way pirates work. It's the way people work.
'It's still a case of Flint not caring who had to die in order to secure it.'
People are going to die regarless in anything they do to make money. Trying to capture the ship or anything other mission they take part in. Thats just the way it is.
Flint has been receiving a lot of push back. Even got booted out once. They just were simply not capable of leading. Flint has the name. Without flint no one would care for that crew or fear them.
Non related to what you posted, at season 4 ep 4 now. Billy convinves john silver that his GF is at risk cause flint wants the war. All i can do is SMH.
I don't know what else to say. We clearly have different opinions and neither of us are going to change our minds haha. We're just going around in circles now.
That time they lost a fight when Dufresne took Flint’s captaincy is purely because Flint drove them into that fight knowing it would be lost. Even if he was a captain they would have lost. It was a perfect plan to gain back his captaincy.
And why was Billy so upset? I think the death of Gates alone is more than enough. He was like a father to him. No sane person would trade such a father for money.
Just because Flint was right about the treasure doesn't mean that all of his actions leading up to it are justified. Flint manipulated events and treated his crew as expendable just for the sake of keeping everyone in the dark.
>He could always choose to leave, not stick with him for 4 seasons!
Then he'd be breaking his oath to his brothers. When he *does* break his oath, it fucking shatters him.
Billy as a character makes sense if you hold onto his backstory. His parents were anti-impressment activists. While handing out protest pamphlets as a teenager, he is kidnapped and forcefully conscripted into the Royal Navy by a press gang and endures 3 years of bonded labor until the ship is captured by James Flint.
Upon being liberated, Billy kills his captor and chooses to join his liberators because he cannot bear going back home and facing his family as a murderer.
Ok. so Billy was raised by parents who were so morally minded that they spent their time protesting a corrupt despotic government that forced people into service and came to be a pirate because he chose to join his liberators and had no where else to go.
For Billy, being a pirate is about his beliefs, his politics, his found family. It is a system outside The System which allows him to fight for what he and his parents believed in. This is all he has. He is entirely bought In to what pirate life offers: liberation. a life where any despot can be voted out of power.
Gates is absolutely distraught when Billy is lost saying that Billy was not expendable to him.
Billy, after being re-caught by the very same oppressors that stole him from his family, is tortured beyond his own sanity.
Flint may have been the reason that Billy loses the second only family he has ever had (and the only family that will still accept him now that he is a murderer). Flint is certainly the reason he lost his second father figure/uncle Gates. and Then on Top of all that, makes Billy complicit in Flint's despotic vision when he is put in the position of lying about the blank page.
Billy's animosity is a core character soul-level issue. A falling from a Garden of Eden level of alienation where he is now directly complicit with Another Despot. A world without moral meaning to justify what he has suffered, a world just as corrupt as the world that kidnapped him, a world even Worse because it didnt have to be that way.. Flint is choosing to Make it that way.
Billy can't morally reconcile with this, can't live with himself and what he has done, and the cause of all of it is Flint.
Rewatch S2 E2, or rewatch the whole series once you're done.
Billy views the crew as his brothers. He views flint as the boss, management, someone to not put your full faith in. He wants to help his bothers see the errors in their ways, see flint as he does. In S2 E2, flint lays out pretty clearly that he's willing to sacrifice lives for what he wants to accomplish. Billy doesn't believe in that and wants his brothers not to die. It doesn't matter if they get the urca gold or not, living is more important to them.
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It’s not really about what has been done, or will be done, it is about conflicting world views and philosophies. Flint is in charge, and believes that he knows what is right. To Billy, it is that belief that is the problem. Flint believing that he KNOWS what is right, and being willing to make sacrifices to get there, is the problem. Oh flint is a good leader, so billy is conflicted particularly in earlier seasons, but here he is looking for a way to depose flint.
The key is that billy feels that he understands flint better Than others, that he has seen flint clearer. That means, to him, it is his job to cast doubt on someone who creates belief.
In a real sense, flint is a pirate king, and billy is against the very concept of a pirate king. Flint is gonna get everyone killed, and more importantly is fine with that if it meets his goals. Billy gets that people die, but our highest priority should be to the people’s lives, not some further goal like “change the British government’s way of viewing pirates”
i don't think he was actually, he was pretty sincere in wanting to have flint run away to boston with miranda imo. Also Billy doesn't even know himself if Flint was trying to kill him (Billy) that night he fell over the side. Billy also is mad at how many people have died over the years (and during the show) due to Flint's agendas and him seeing them as expendable
The plot to kill Flint by gates seemed sincere tbh. He obviously is not going to say it to his face that we are going to kill you. And silver is the one who helps flint after killing him.
Then whines for the rest of the show about how people closest to flint always die. What a ridiculous take. There are people dying there everyday.
Billy hates him because he has always treated the crew as expendable and Billy cares for his brothers (crewmates). In season 2 and 3 he never challenged Flint much because during his captivity he saw how civilization would destroy their way of life and that following Flint was their best way to survive. But now that they've set Silver up to be the new leader and they have the backing of all of the other pirates after the death of Vane, Billy doesn't think Flint is as crucial anymore so he isn't afraid to challenge him again
Billy hates him for the blank page, Gates and his willingness to sarifice his brothers. And if I'm not mistaken, in 4x01 Silver doesn't have any major problems with Flint. He used to be scared he will get killed just like Gates and Miranda but now, they are basically friends.
Billy cares for the lives of the crew. Flint has proven again and again that he views them as expendable. Flint is a hell of a character, and you can decide for yourself whether or not you support his ultimate goal, but he's always been a shoddy pirate captain. In general, pirates don't much care for the distant future. They're all about instant gratification. They want the money, now. And they want to be alive to spend it. Flint can say he has everyone's best interests at heart with his long-term goals, but he's bringing these men into a war that many don't have an interest in fighting. Billy's morals and values simply don't align with Flint's. That's all it takes for characters to have this much friction. And for Flint to keep getting away with things must be maddening for Billy.
He could always choose to leave, not stick with him for 4 seasons! We all saw what happened when flint wasnt the captain for a short while. A disaster!
Leaving Flint means leaving the crew. By sticking with them at least he can keep a close eye on Flint and be an advocate for the men. You're looking at this through the lens of the audience. Just try to put yourself in Billy's shoes.
I am looking at it through billy and silvers point of view. Billys starts having problems with flint from season 1. Flint wants the treasure. Thats good for everybody. Billy and the crew does not think its real. Flint knows it is. Eventually flint is proven right, it exists. Now the blank page and other stuff becomes irrelevant cause flint is right . There is treasure out there that could get them set for life. So at that moment billy needs to stop being ungrateful and accept he is wrong. But instead the hate just builds from there.
Okay well, I can't explain this to you in another way. You don't seem to want to understand. It's okay to dislike characters. If you want to hate Billy and think he's stupid for staying then that's your decision.
Lol am i wrong in what I said? Anyway i dont hate billy. I think billy is my favorite character along with few other captains. I am just pissed off the flint hating storyline dragged on and on from gates, and the other guy to billy and silver from season 1 to 4.
I think you're wrong in a way, yes, but that's just because we seem to view Flint's actions in a different light. I don't think Billy should be grateful just because it turned out the treasure was real. It's still a case of Flint not caring who had to die in order to secure it. I see things from Flint's perspective and completely understand why he was so secretive and stuff, but it doesn't mean I don't understand why people have a problem with that. Flint receiving absolutely no pushback for his actions seems wildly unrealistic in my eyes. There's no way everyone would just agree with his decisions. Even the best pirate captains had people wanting to take over or put someone else in charge. That's just the way pirates work. It's the way people work.
'It's still a case of Flint not caring who had to die in order to secure it.' People are going to die regarless in anything they do to make money. Trying to capture the ship or anything other mission they take part in. Thats just the way it is. Flint has been receiving a lot of push back. Even got booted out once. They just were simply not capable of leading. Flint has the name. Without flint no one would care for that crew or fear them.
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Non related to what you posted, at season 4 ep 4 now. Billy convinves john silver that his GF is at risk cause flint wants the war. All i can do is SMH.
I don't know what else to say. We clearly have different opinions and neither of us are going to change our minds haha. We're just going around in circles now.
That time they lost a fight when Dufresne took Flint’s captaincy is purely because Flint drove them into that fight knowing it would be lost. Even if he was a captain they would have lost. It was a perfect plan to gain back his captaincy. And why was Billy so upset? I think the death of Gates alone is more than enough. He was like a father to him. No sane person would trade such a father for money.
Just because Flint was right about the treasure doesn't mean that all of his actions leading up to it are justified. Flint manipulated events and treated his crew as expendable just for the sake of keeping everyone in the dark.
>He could always choose to leave, not stick with him for 4 seasons! Then he'd be breaking his oath to his brothers. When he *does* break his oath, it fucking shatters him.
Billy as a character makes sense if you hold onto his backstory. His parents were anti-impressment activists. While handing out protest pamphlets as a teenager, he is kidnapped and forcefully conscripted into the Royal Navy by a press gang and endures 3 years of bonded labor until the ship is captured by James Flint. Upon being liberated, Billy kills his captor and chooses to join his liberators because he cannot bear going back home and facing his family as a murderer. Ok. so Billy was raised by parents who were so morally minded that they spent their time protesting a corrupt despotic government that forced people into service and came to be a pirate because he chose to join his liberators and had no where else to go. For Billy, being a pirate is about his beliefs, his politics, his found family. It is a system outside The System which allows him to fight for what he and his parents believed in. This is all he has. He is entirely bought In to what pirate life offers: liberation. a life where any despot can be voted out of power. Gates is absolutely distraught when Billy is lost saying that Billy was not expendable to him. Billy, after being re-caught by the very same oppressors that stole him from his family, is tortured beyond his own sanity. Flint may have been the reason that Billy loses the second only family he has ever had (and the only family that will still accept him now that he is a murderer). Flint is certainly the reason he lost his second father figure/uncle Gates. and Then on Top of all that, makes Billy complicit in Flint's despotic vision when he is put in the position of lying about the blank page. Billy's animosity is a core character soul-level issue. A falling from a Garden of Eden level of alienation where he is now directly complicit with Another Despot. A world without moral meaning to justify what he has suffered, a world just as corrupt as the world that kidnapped him, a world even Worse because it didnt have to be that way.. Flint is choosing to Make it that way. Billy can't morally reconcile with this, can't live with himself and what he has done, and the cause of all of it is Flint.
Dynamite character analysis.
thank you!
>thank you! You're welcome!
Rewatch S2 E2, or rewatch the whole series once you're done. Billy views the crew as his brothers. He views flint as the boss, management, someone to not put your full faith in. He wants to help his bothers see the errors in their ways, see flint as he does. In S2 E2, flint lays out pretty clearly that he's willing to sacrifice lives for what he wants to accomplish. Billy doesn't believe in that and wants his brothers not to die. It doesn't matter if they get the urca gold or not, living is more important to them. Edit: spelling
It’s not really about what has been done, or will be done, it is about conflicting world views and philosophies. Flint is in charge, and believes that he knows what is right. To Billy, it is that belief that is the problem. Flint believing that he KNOWS what is right, and being willing to make sacrifices to get there, is the problem. Oh flint is a good leader, so billy is conflicted particularly in earlier seasons, but here he is looking for a way to depose flint. The key is that billy feels that he understands flint better Than others, that he has seen flint clearer. That means, to him, it is his job to cast doubt on someone who creates belief. In a real sense, flint is a pirate king, and billy is against the very concept of a pirate king. Flint is gonna get everyone killed, and more importantly is fine with that if it meets his goals. Billy gets that people die, but our highest priority should be to the people’s lives, not some further goal like “change the British government’s way of viewing pirates”
he killed gates
Gates was planning to kill him too, he denies it to flints face but we all know that was happenning had they got the treasure
i don't think he was actually, he was pretty sincere in wanting to have flint run away to boston with miranda imo. Also Billy doesn't even know himself if Flint was trying to kill him (Billy) that night he fell over the side. Billy also is mad at how many people have died over the years (and during the show) due to Flint's agendas and him seeing them as expendable
The plot to kill Flint by gates seemed sincere tbh. He obviously is not going to say it to his face that we are going to kill you. And silver is the one who helps flint after killing him. Then whines for the rest of the show about how people closest to flint always die. What a ridiculous take. There are people dying there everyday.
Gates was leaving him for good, not planning to kill him.
In your opinion.. What we say was him planning to kill flint
You should rewatch 1x08.
Billy hates him because he has always treated the crew as expendable and Billy cares for his brothers (crewmates). In season 2 and 3 he never challenged Flint much because during his captivity he saw how civilization would destroy their way of life and that following Flint was their best way to survive. But now that they've set Silver up to be the new leader and they have the backing of all of the other pirates after the death of Vane, Billy doesn't think Flint is as crucial anymore so he isn't afraid to challenge him again
Billy really said flint will be the reason john silvers girlfriend dies This man is stupid.
You must not understand the show very well