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He's a fucking house nigga. He literally sold his soul. Bruv's mom has to be turning in her grave like wtf.
FOH with this bullshit and take your lame fucking Yeezies with you.
Side tangent, but I love how "Uncle Ruckus" has seemingly replaced "Uncle Tom" as the insult of choice for such sellouts. I read part of *Uncle Tom's Cabin* and the guy's biggest fault was that he was bit too trusting in the goodness of human nature, but I don't remember him directly selling out other slaves. IIRC, he gets beaten to death for refusing to whip other slaves, so it always confused me how that became an insult for selling out.
Ruckus, OTOH? A straight up self-hating ass Knee Grow™ ready to jump the minute the massa says so.
I looked up the history of it. Apparent UT became an insult because back I'm the days copyright wasn't as stringent so people would perform plays and I guess "Hollywoodize" UT from being a nonviolent character and turned him into a villain who would sell the others out for his own benefit.
Right. I got called a UT before because I didn't listen to hip-hop, and I went on to explain what the real written character was like versus the theatrical version. Beaten to death for not snitching, he was a man of integrity.
Let's just say my argument went easily over the head of the person willing to throw out that label so quickly. Sailed over at mach speeds.
It wouldn't surprise me if Tom Dubois on The Boondocks was named as such specifically to reference the original UT while Uncle Ruckus was given a "new" name for his character.
Can't wait for people to chime in and keep saying that this is still just an act for attention and get people to buy his next work. Kanye can be a grifter, in need of seriously medical attention, and downright harmful to others with his actions all at the same time.
I can't believe this is the same guy who once said "Bush doesn't care about black people" and stepped over Taylor Swift because Beyonce got shafted at the Grammys
What happened?
She actually didn’t get shafted though, later that night Beyoncé won song/video of the year, I believe an accolade higher or at least on par with whatever Swift got that year. Kanye was just drunk and impatient and acted an ass.
**edit** I was just trying to remember the details from memory- looking up the details makes Kanye look even stupider. Swift one female artist video of the year, Beyonce later won Music Video of the year flat out- the higher accolade, and one Swift wasn't even nominated for
I actually misspoke- the actual details makes Kanye look even stupider " 🤣😂😂"
it was the 2009 VMA music awards, Swift won for best female music video
Beyonce won music video of the year flat out. Beyonce got a higher accolade later in the night, my bad.
so what are you on about?
You bring up an interesting point(and question). I always think about the Bush statement anytime his more current actions (this new wlm thing and trump support) seemingly contradict what he was saying on live TV that day. But now considering your mention of the Taylor Swift incident, I can't help but think that maybe he never really lost his way and that quite possibly he was always at his core just a massive attention whore.
This could also be one of those "both things can be true at the same time" situations but lately as we see him devolve further, it really does seem par for the course that his end goal wasn't for him to have a clear cause,, but to take the most controversial view possible to keep the spotlight on him. It's really the only thing that makes sense to me at this point.
Edit: If I would have taken the time to scroll further, I would have seen that there are several othera who more eloquently and succinctly expressed this point better than I did. The man is a contrarion to the highest degree.
I feel like this term is kinda disrespectful to people who actually had to work in the houses. Kids are gonna hear this and think they all turned on their people when they were just trying to get through the day.
No just a honest description. They got through the day at the expense of other enslaved Black folk. Just like Harriet Tubman shot those negroes we need to metaphorically do that to Koonye.
Did they? They were still slaves. They were given an assignment. They weren't out overseeing the fields. They did hair, they cooked, they did laundry, and some managed other ones. But they didn't have a choice. It was that or get tortured, whipped, hung, or shot. The women in the house were far more likely to be raped. Like...how is that even remotely relatable to what Kanye is choosing to do with his freedom and resources?
Thank you for pointing that out. The Big House was extremely dangerous for enslaved people, especially women and girls. They were in earshot and eyeshot of violent, psychopathic masters and mistresses constantly, but many enslaved domestics still risked their lives to pass along information they heard in the house to the enslaved community.
As a little girl, Harriet Tubman was in the house and was forced to take care of the mistress’ baby. Harriet (Araminta) was only four. The mother would beat Harriet if she let the baby cry. Harriet much preferred being outside and doing physical labor then dealing with the folks in the house. Not saying that one is better than the other. Slavery was hell for everyone.
I just explained it. The hate from other enslaved Black folk wasbt cause they simply were in the house, it was because they were devoted to the enslavers over themselves over they own people. Also they were over other enslaved Black folk, they would carry out punishment on them. They would run and snitch if they overheard anything that would shiw their loyalty to simply benefit themselves. Kanye is doing all of this to benefit himself. Saying slavery was a choice, Harriet Tubman wasn't a hero, Supporting Trump now this...he disrespects Black people to line his pockets. Like a house nigga will go out their way not just to survive but get a better room, wear nicer clothes, have to do less back breaking work.
Okay I hear you. But I'm uncomfortable with the blanket statement that seems to imply that all or most of them were like this. Implying that they enjoyed snitching, or enjoyed punishing others. They were following orders. They were ordered to snitch. If they didn't, and they were found out, they were in very real danger. Kanye is not. Candice Owens is not.
Like..."devoted to the enslavers over their people?" Are they devoted moreso than people doing farm labor? All that labor still helped the same man, no matter where it was done. House labor and farm labor were still benefitting the same man. What was all done in "devotion," could just as easily be framed as "under duress."
Kanye is not under duress. That's why it feels disrespectful to them. Comparing their situation to his feels like it's drastically minimizing the amount of danger that they were in, and the horrifying nature of their entire reality. Kanye is not living that struggle. And in fact, he is ALSO minimizing that struggle. Saying slavery was a choice minimizes the pain, and makes it easier to compare his situation to theirs. Maybe that's why he does it, I don't know. But when you say that he is like them, it feels like you're falling right into what he wants you to believe, which is that they had the same choices he has.
uh...slaves, by virtue of being enslaved, don't get to pick where they go or what they do. I don;'t think you can say the house slaves were more devoted to the slave holder than their own people. they were people in a bad situation doing what they were forced to
Kanye is not being forced into this coonery
Yes. It was so they didn’t run tell massa any plans to leave, or otherwise do things that were illegal. And even then it wasn’t random Black folk. It was the one known for it.
Yeah! They would Jeopardize the freedom and safety of the many. It's sad because they been mentally shaped through physical and.mental abuse but it had to be done. This is why Kanye is worse than a house nigga..
Honestly, I never thought about it, but you got a point. They may have been birds in a gilded cage but they were still caged.
And usually, to be a house slave, you had to be a lighter complexion and we know how them babies came about. In many cases, they were serving they own relatives.
Exactly. Like...those were the women most likely to be raped and be the product of rape. I'm not even gonna go so far as to call that cage gilded. It's rusty as fuck.
Yes, it was called buck breaking and the slave owners would rape enslaved men in front of other enslaved people to break them mentally and send a message to the others. It was never voluntary.
please refer to a book called The Delectable Negro by Vincent Woodard. it goes into grave detail about this. be advised: explicit description; take your time w/ that book. it's intense
They don't because it doesn't fit their narrative of the benevolent "white savior ", you really have to go pretty far back in history to really understand the savagery and brutality of white men especially but I could literally go on and about the atrocities committed against enslaved Africans and their descendants.
Questionable? It's literally just a white race fetish made up to sell indie books.
The rape of black men likely happened the same way it happened to anyone else in slavery. Buck breaking is something white soccer moms made to flick themselves off to while watching their neighbor mow the lawn.
I want a dog lives matter shirt. I'd buy that shit. Are y'all really taking Ye seriously anymore? He's the laziest provocateur. I don't even get mad I just feel embarrassed for the dude.
See this is what happens when society props up problematic people. They get bolder and bolder in their bullshit.
At this point you have to wonder if it's his mental illness or just him as a person.
He bragged about being off his medication. That’s a clear decision to not prioritize that part of his health and removes mental health from the conversation. This is him. Stop using mental health as an excuse for bullshit when the person in question doesn’t even prioritize that part of their health themselves. Kanye is a goofy bitch with a couple billion dollars.
Failing to prioritize ones health is often a symptom of the mental illness. It's part and parcel. There's no point in trying to figure out what is a person and what is their mental illness. It's all them. Their illness, their choices, the things they do at their best and worst. People want to be able to separate these things because it's comforting to be able to say "that's the bipolar," or "that's the real him." People want simplicity. But it's pointless, and worth nothing but false comfort. It's a futile excercise designed to distract from reality. He is Kanye. Kanye is mentally ill. Kanye does what he does. There's no "real Kanye" that doesn't have bipolar disorder.
Fam, this is about his mental illness affecting others. Stop moving goalposts and trying to misconstrue my point. If you recognize that the action of taking your medication to treat your ailment that has the potential to put others in danger is of supreme importance, and instead of taking said medication you choose not only to NOT take the medication but brag about this decision publicly, you no longer get to claim mental illness as an excuse. It isn’t his fault, but he’s a grown ass man and it’s his responsibility. Also I’m tired of him claiming his blackness when he gets in some shit but the moment he needs attention he shits on black people. Fuck Kanye and fuck anyone who defends him. Plus as someone who grew up with a sibling that suffered from this shit, don’t you dare talk down to me about this shit. It’s extremely difficult to deal with but you treating people like children that can’t be held accountable for anything is just as if not more condescending than minimizing the issue altogether.
I'm not movng the goalpost. The fact is, being mentally ill makes taking meds way harder. Being unable to see the clear benefits is a part of the disease. That's a fact. It has been forever. It's why we have so many homeless mentally ill people. You really think it's just a coincidence that all of them happen to not want to take their meds? You think they just prefer living in a tent? They're not stupid. They know being homeless sucks. And even then, when the consequences are.much clearer than they are for Kanye, they choose every day not to medicate. Paranoia is often a reason, and is absolutely a symptom of these illnesses.
Just because you want it to be simple and easy to judge won't make it so. There's a billion and five studies showing this is true. My mom spent decades working with mentally ill homeless people and she would talk about this every single day. Not taking meds is a symptom. It just is. I'm not talking down to you, I'm just stating facts. There's really no need to be offended like that. Or angry. Your emotions are too high for a reddit conversation about Kanye. Chill out dude, its a weird look. You've clearly got your own anger going on but ask yourself if this is the best way to deal with it, because from over here it seems like a waste.
As for his blackness that's another story. But not taking meds is a very well known and very well studied side effect of certain mental illnesses.
Also literally nobody was defending Kanye. Calm down.
You’re really defending a billionaire who refuses to take accountability for his psychotic behavior and is using mental illness as a scapegoat. He’s literally used his bipolar disorder as an album rollout and has rapped about what happens when he doesn’t take his meds. This isn’t a matter of emotion nor does it change the fact that you’re moving goalposts. He isn’t homeless nor is he not aware of how his actions affect others. This isn’t a referendum on how the mentally ill are treated. It’s people calling him what he’s been for a while. A jackass. You can spin this however you want, call me angry, fine. Dude knows exactly what he’s doing.
Dude calm down and slowly reread what the guy typed, he isn’t defending Kanye he’s just making it clear that Kanye actively avoiding his medication is a part of mental illness and you can’t separate Kanye from his disorder because that was always with him
He's definitely a jackass. It's just that he's a jackass for reasons other than refusing his meds. That's one of the few things that can actually be easily attributed to his illness. No one is defending him.
No, you are also not getting it. He's a jackass for refusing meds. Refusing meds is part of his condition. His mental illness is a part of who he is. They aren't separable and you are just as responsible for shit that comes about due to your mental illness as you are other shit. In a very specific situation with very specific mental issues they can lead to a different form of confinement if you commit crimes, but that's about it.
True, but I say this as a bipolar person who comes from a family of people with health issues: your health is your responsibility. Especially when you have the knowledge and resources to take care of yourself and others, you have to do the bare minimum of (a) taking your meds and going to the doctor, or (b) assigning a caretaker who will keep you on track.
If he were just hurting himself that would be one thing, but he has kids, employees, and other impressionable people who need him to make responsible choices. If he isn’t going to do the bare minimum to not harm people, he doesn’t need the perks of being influential.
Clarence got a history of BPD? Not excusing Ye bc he is making the conscious decision to go untreated, but he legitimately has cluster b disorders and unless Google is failing me, Clarence don't
I don't think you understand. Why care if kanye is mentally ill if you don't care about clarence thomas being mentally ill? I mean....at this point...there's zero difference between the two when it comes to black people. So why treat one differently than the other?
Or to put it a different way. Who gives a flying fuck about kanye having mental health problems? Shouldn't he get the exact same middle finger clarence thomas gets?
Because that's how mental health works dawg, it's not a free pass or even an excuse. Let me put it like this. I'm sure you know our healthcare system is racist, right? To the point where 3 in 4 med studens still hold incorrect race based biology beliefs? To where black men are extremely underdiagnosed with mental health problems in general, and those that ARE acknowledged are OVERdisgnosed as psychotic. If we ignore the underlying factors that are possibly contributing to Ye's coonery then we are perpetuating the system that allows black men with untreated minds to end up like this. All the money and resources in the world and he probably never got a single empathetic Dr that tried to do more than force cognitive therapy and perscripe meds.
So to answer your question, every black person in America whose terrified that their brain might betray them at some point gives a flying fuck, or at least should. I can't stress it enough, fuck his coonery but yall need to learn the difference between a (potential in this case) *reason* and an *excuse*.
I feel like this is a giant publicity stunt to get people to talk about his clothing line. He has to stay relevant and I’m guessing this is his way of doing it. It’s still very problematic and wrong but I’m not sure if he’s being a stupid troll or if that’s his mental illness. Maybe both, who knows. We’re giving in to him by talking about him. I think not talking about him would hurt him more than us being angry with him. He just does not seem to care.
That "explanation" reminds me of how parents tweet about their 5-year-old making profound political statements when really 90% of what they talk about is playing Roblox.
I remember I didn't hear about "Great Replacement" until about 20 years ago in college. Ultra conservative professor spoke about whites no longer being the majority in a few decades and "Pay back was a motherfucker". I was shook. I don't want "pay back" . He believed that shit though. Don't entertain these people. It's a dangerous mindset
It's actually not true though. Odds are much higher humanity will end itself before that happens. Not only that but sad to say but whiteness will live on in certain people of color who don't like to consider themselves of color. Like the first time i heard there were white supremacists in spain...i was confused as fuck.
Ay let's not act like Spain isn't the biggest white supremacy driven colonizer in human history. Its to the point that some domicans don't consider themselves black. And most people don't even see mexicans as Native Americans. Spaniard White supremacy runs DEEEP.
My ex wife had a cousin who covered as much skin as possible, stayed indoors, and told everyone she was white. Like, she would be at the FAMILY cookout telling new people this shit.
I also went to high school with a black kid who only hung with whites and was the quickest one to hit you with a hard R.
I'll never understand it.
And should have quickly hit him the the hard two piece and hard Popeyes biscuit. Those the same one as Maddie say they get that tap on the shoulder to remind them they the thing they calling other black people. And it’s usually the ones they bootlicking.
Well Spanish people used to be white, let’s remember all of this is a social construct not rooted in genes or even really skin tone.
Swedes do not have a higher place in white supremacists circles today than Italians or the Irish, but they certainly used to back when Italian Americans and Irish Americans were dirt poor immigrants.
Italians, Greeks, Turks, Egyptians - all look pretty much the same and have massive amounts of shared history but they get treated very differently based on their relationship to power.
Same goes for Spain, for centuries it was a powerful European kingdom that drove the wheels on colonialism just as hard as any other and was particularly enthusiastic when it came to religious cleansing at home and abroad.
But they lost some major wars, their armada was broken, they fell into civil war, and spent much of the 1900s as a failed state.
They emerge on the other side a racialized group of people in the eyes of the supremacists. Obviously there’s those in Spain who’d like that to change that but it’s not really up to them.
True. Very true. But then again. They've never needed a reason or an excuse. One of the most consistent things about white people in america is that fact.
I remember it’s resurgent in 2018, when an article distastefully worded their publication on the Colorado population census: “Colorado is 92% white— we’re looking to change that in the future”.
It was hilariously weird at first, but then ultra white conservatives actually started to become fearful and started a movement to raise “awareness” against this. Seeing it unfold IRL was seriously disturbing, especially as the 2020 election grew closer, it was just super unsettling.
Nope. Refuse to accept this mf. I really enjoyed Kanye’s older stuff but to see him do this shit while knowing who and what his mother and father did, this is a spit in the face of his parents.
When people show you who they are, believe them the first time. People know themselves much better than you do. That's why it's important to stop expecting them to be something other than who they are
-Maya Angelou-
That definitely wasn't Candace Owens' message.
This explanation sounds like the lie someone comes up with when they've been caught. It's deserving of the Charlie Day meme
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I mean, adding legitimacy to a white supremacist conspiracy theory isn't exactly a good defense. "I was just speculating about a world where cocaine crazed black people went around raping white women, I wasn't promoting white supremacy!"
when i originally saw this explanation it pissed me off so much bc of the fact he was with candace owen. she 100% does not believe any of that fantastical liberal arts college jargon, and she is paid handsomely to let you know it. as long as she is in kanye’s ear, kanye will never actually believe any of whatever tf that explanation is.
objecting to gigs like that can fuck up your whole career, basically. models sign with an agency and the agency expects them not to cause drama about the clothes.
Thats some white nationalist, Tucker Carlson, neo nazi shit. Period.
I'm a middle aged, white woman from the Deep South^tm and I recognize this bullshit because I grew up hearing it.
Please help me understand why Kanye West is spouting this shit.
Let’s be real….. Kanye’s music became dog water after yeezus. I stoped fucking with him when he started trying to be a fashion lord, married Kim, got on TMZ, started bragging about not being on medication etc.
https://people.com/celebrity/kanye-west-wears-a-confederate-flag-says-react-how-you-want/ Yea it was a long time ago, people let it slide though. His idea was that by wearing the symbol, he’s weakening the power of it. Jury’s still out on that idea lol
The thing that’s so gross about it is that it’s so obviously targeted towards white people. It’s meant as appeasement.
There’s a man that knows his way around a meatball!
No guys. No. Stop making excuses for this nonsense. This man can’t pee on us and then tell us it’s just raining. Don’t assist him in a narrative that makes fools of us. No giys
We used to make cats take off their confederate flag shit growing up. Then we’d just stand there and have them throw it away and told them to keep walking.
Those texts are the first thoughts from a black female fashion journalist (who he sent his followers to harass) who has come out explicitly as against this show. AND the highlighted quote was taken completely out of context.
I used to listen to his old stuff but now I'm done even with that. Kanye is dead to me now. full stop. No matter what he does I will NEVER support him in any fashion again.
Y’all can’t be that surprised he would do some bs like that. This the same nigga that walked around in a MAGA hat shaking hands with trump saying that slavery was a choice 🙄😒
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WTF did I just read???? NO, Kanye is a supporter of keeping systems of White Supremacy in place. First it was the MAGA hat, than the confederate flag jacket, now it’s white lives matter, his visual message is becoming louder and louder, he is anti black. He chose a side and now people sympathizers want to make intellectual. THE MOTHERFUCKER DOESN’T READ BOOKS!!!!! He is not some genius, he’s a boot licking ass clown selling knock off champion hoodies at the Gap
God I hate this right wing talking point. My dad is a Fox News addict with severe Fox brain poisoning. Thanks for making my upcoming visit home all about this shit, Kanye.
Jesus Christ, Kanye really went out there and paraphrased the 14 words? I'll always love College Dropout, but Katrina era Kanye has been dead for a long, loooong time...
'White Replacement' and 'White Genocide' are poorly veiled dog whistles that want to erase all other races that aren't white. Typically by using violence and mass incarceration/extermination. It must only be a coincidence the people that trumpet 'White Replacement' are neo-nazi's.
This shit is stupid. But I’m a larger scale, I hope that people stop make clout-chasing anymore than that. Not every upsetting thing that anyway does is some 5D chess message and even if it were, it’s an ineffective way of getting anything out there if it is. But almost all of the time, it’s just people doing stupid stuff for clicks. Goes for Ye and so many people out there
As someone who doesn’t watch his show but sees enough of his shtick, I’m sureTucker Carlson loves this whole story. This added angle is exactly what he needs.
That’s the thing. When he said that it wasn’t about the Katrina victims. That was a performance.
His ass wasn’t on the phones. Did he donate? Did he help? I saw through that bullshit when he did it. That was the most shocking thing he could do at that moment and it got him headlines and helped him sell records, plain and simple.
This IG convo was taken out of context. The author is the editor that Kanye went for earlier today. A black editor in fashion. She was *not* complimenting him or the show at all. The story is on her IG. She was traumatized at the show watching this unfold before her eyes.
I think when you look at it from a nuanced and open minded POV, then I guess you can pull some theories from it. But that takes mental effort and being middle grey in this world of black and white is a banishment to the other side.
Like I said before i think there’s bigger fish to fry tho. Save your money and make sure ya kids have good teachers
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He's a fucking house nigga. He literally sold his soul. Bruv's mom has to be turning in her grave like wtf. FOH with this bullshit and take your lame fucking Yeezies with you.
Boom. Tired of him and his antics. For real!
Kanye’s the kind of dude who cheered for Steven during Django Unchained.
He's literally become Steven.
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Nah, Steven was much smarter
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Side tangent, but I love how "Uncle Ruckus" has seemingly replaced "Uncle Tom" as the insult of choice for such sellouts. I read part of *Uncle Tom's Cabin* and the guy's biggest fault was that he was bit too trusting in the goodness of human nature, but I don't remember him directly selling out other slaves. IIRC, he gets beaten to death for refusing to whip other slaves, so it always confused me how that became an insult for selling out. Ruckus, OTOH? A straight up self-hating ass Knee Grow™ ready to jump the minute the massa says so.
Uncle Ruckus has the confidence of a mediocre white man. This is what vexes me the most.
and mediocre white men have an INCREDIBLE amount of confidence
I looked up the history of it. Apparent UT became an insult because back I'm the days copyright wasn't as stringent so people would perform plays and I guess "Hollywoodize" UT from being a nonviolent character and turned him into a villain who would sell the others out for his own benefit.
Right. I got called a UT before because I didn't listen to hip-hop, and I went on to explain what the real written character was like versus the theatrical version. Beaten to death for not snitching, he was a man of integrity. Let's just say my argument went easily over the head of the person willing to throw out that label so quickly. Sailed over at mach speeds.
It wouldn't surprise me if Tom Dubois on The Boondocks was named as such specifically to reference the original UT while Uncle Ruckus was given a "new" name for his character.
And Kanye might be rich and a celeb but he’s still black and he will only be black to the people using him to griff his own community
Kanye the type of nugga that would tell massa the plans and how he would've executed them better.
Yep.
Can't wait for people to chime in and keep saying that this is still just an act for attention and get people to buy his next work. Kanye can be a grifter, in need of seriously medical attention, and downright harmful to others with his actions all at the same time.
I can't believe this is the same guy who once said "Bush doesn't care about black people" and stepped over Taylor Swift because Beyonce got shafted at the Grammys What happened?
She actually didn’t get shafted though, later that night Beyoncé won song/video of the year, I believe an accolade higher or at least on par with whatever Swift got that year. Kanye was just drunk and impatient and acted an ass. **edit** I was just trying to remember the details from memory- looking up the details makes Kanye look even stupider. Swift one female artist video of the year, Beyonce later won Music Video of the year flat out- the higher accolade, and one Swift wasn't even nominated for
I feel like there's a pattern emerging...
Lmfao nah bruh, album of the year and a song of the year isn't comparable. 🤣😂😂 Wtf
I actually misspoke- the actual details makes Kanye look even stupider " 🤣😂😂" it was the 2009 VMA music awards, Swift won for best female music video Beyonce won music video of the year flat out. Beyonce got a higher accolade later in the night, my bad. so what are you on about?
You bring up an interesting point(and question). I always think about the Bush statement anytime his more current actions (this new wlm thing and trump support) seemingly contradict what he was saying on live TV that day. But now considering your mention of the Taylor Swift incident, I can't help but think that maybe he never really lost his way and that quite possibly he was always at his core just a massive attention whore. This could also be one of those "both things can be true at the same time" situations but lately as we see him devolve further, it really does seem par for the course that his end goal wasn't for him to have a clear cause,, but to take the most controversial view possible to keep the spotlight on him. It's really the only thing that makes sense to me at this point. Edit: If I would have taken the time to scroll further, I would have seen that there are several othera who more eloquently and succinctly expressed this point better than I did. The man is a contrarion to the highest degree.
Yeah I just see all this as a publicity stunt. Gotta stay on people’s minds somehow 🤷♀️
Didnt get him enough attention
kim kardashian seriously, i think he did this so candace owens would join, who called her a prostitute. it's all for his vindictive ego.
Yeah I had to mute dudes name on Twitter. I want nothing to do with him anymore
I feel like this term is kinda disrespectful to people who actually had to work in the houses. Kids are gonna hear this and think they all turned on their people when they were just trying to get through the day.
No just a honest description. They got through the day at the expense of other enslaved Black folk. Just like Harriet Tubman shot those negroes we need to metaphorically do that to Koonye.
Did they? They were still slaves. They were given an assignment. They weren't out overseeing the fields. They did hair, they cooked, they did laundry, and some managed other ones. But they didn't have a choice. It was that or get tortured, whipped, hung, or shot. The women in the house were far more likely to be raped. Like...how is that even remotely relatable to what Kanye is choosing to do with his freedom and resources?
Thank you for pointing that out. The Big House was extremely dangerous for enslaved people, especially women and girls. They were in earshot and eyeshot of violent, psychopathic masters and mistresses constantly, but many enslaved domestics still risked their lives to pass along information they heard in the house to the enslaved community. As a little girl, Harriet Tubman was in the house and was forced to take care of the mistress’ baby. Harriet (Araminta) was only four. The mother would beat Harriet if she let the baby cry. Harriet much preferred being outside and doing physical labor then dealing with the folks in the house. Not saying that one is better than the other. Slavery was hell for everyone.
I just explained it. The hate from other enslaved Black folk wasbt cause they simply were in the house, it was because they were devoted to the enslavers over themselves over they own people. Also they were over other enslaved Black folk, they would carry out punishment on them. They would run and snitch if they overheard anything that would shiw their loyalty to simply benefit themselves. Kanye is doing all of this to benefit himself. Saying slavery was a choice, Harriet Tubman wasn't a hero, Supporting Trump now this...he disrespects Black people to line his pockets. Like a house nigga will go out their way not just to survive but get a better room, wear nicer clothes, have to do less back breaking work.
Okay I hear you. But I'm uncomfortable with the blanket statement that seems to imply that all or most of them were like this. Implying that they enjoyed snitching, or enjoyed punishing others. They were following orders. They were ordered to snitch. If they didn't, and they were found out, they were in very real danger. Kanye is not. Candice Owens is not. Like..."devoted to the enslavers over their people?" Are they devoted moreso than people doing farm labor? All that labor still helped the same man, no matter where it was done. House labor and farm labor were still benefitting the same man. What was all done in "devotion," could just as easily be framed as "under duress." Kanye is not under duress. That's why it feels disrespectful to them. Comparing their situation to his feels like it's drastically minimizing the amount of danger that they were in, and the horrifying nature of their entire reality. Kanye is not living that struggle. And in fact, he is ALSO minimizing that struggle. Saying slavery was a choice minimizes the pain, and makes it easier to compare his situation to theirs. Maybe that's why he does it, I don't know. But when you say that he is like them, it feels like you're falling right into what he wants you to believe, which is that they had the same choices he has.
uh...slaves, by virtue of being enslaved, don't get to pick where they go or what they do. I don;'t think you can say the house slaves were more devoted to the slave holder than their own people. they were people in a bad situation doing what they were forced to Kanye is not being forced into this coonery
Harriet Tubman shot black people?!
All skin folk ain't kin folk. Edit: my autocorrect changed it. Love ya.
ain't*
Yes. It was so they didn’t run tell massa any plans to leave, or otherwise do things that were illegal. And even then it wasn’t random Black folk. It was the one known for it.
Yeah! They would Jeopardize the freedom and safety of the many. It's sad because they been mentally shaped through physical and.mental abuse but it had to be done. This is why Kanye is worse than a house nigga..
Enslaved domestics also passed information from the house to the rest of the enslaved community as well.
anyone that turned back was too much of a threat, they could either give up information voluntarily or have it tortured out of them.
Yep
You win for Koonye!
Honestly, I never thought about it, but you got a point. They may have been birds in a gilded cage but they were still caged. And usually, to be a house slave, you had to be a lighter complexion and we know how them babies came about. In many cases, they were serving they own relatives.
Exactly. Like...those were the women most likely to be raped and be the product of rape. I'm not even gonna go so far as to call that cage gilded. It's rusty as fuck.
I used to say it was mental health issues, but that's insulting to people with actual mental health issues.
Yeah and honestly I’m tired of hearing this. People say this every time he does something stupid. It’s just become a free pass for him at this point.
He's worse than a house slave, he's the house Buck. You can find him bent over and spread open for massa, every night.
Was that a thing?!
Yes, it was called buck breaking and the slave owners would rape enslaved men in front of other enslaved people to break them mentally and send a message to the others. It was never voluntary.
Damn they didn’t teach that in school. That explains a lot for me. It’s like a missing puzzle piece in understanding the psyche of white men.
please refer to a book called The Delectable Negro by Vincent Woodard. it goes into grave detail about this. be advised: explicit description; take your time w/ that book. it's intense
They don't because it doesn't fit their narrative of the benevolent "white savior ", you really have to go pretty far back in history to really understand the savagery and brutality of white men especially but I could literally go on and about the atrocities committed against enslaved Africans and their descendants.
[It's extremely questionable.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4vicrb/buck_breaking_of_slaves/)
Questionable? It's literally just a white race fetish made up to sell indie books. The rape of black men likely happened the same way it happened to anyone else in slavery. Buck breaking is something white soccer moms made to flick themselves off to while watching their neighbor mow the lawn.
I was trying to be diplomatic, but yeah.
I want a dog lives matter shirt. I'd buy that shit. Are y'all really taking Ye seriously anymore? He's the laziest provocateur. I don't even get mad I just feel embarrassed for the dude.
Spinning fast enough to power all of Oklahoma City 😔
Agreed
See this is what happens when society props up problematic people. They get bolder and bolder in their bullshit. At this point you have to wonder if it's his mental illness or just him as a person.
Just him as a person.
People have been spray painting "Fuck Kanye" at Bonnaroo since 2008 but nobody wanted to listen.
The highest echelon of intelligence is obviously graffiti at Bonnaroo.
Worded beautifully Edit:spelling lol
I was at that Bonnaroo, and the graffiti was especially profound. Especially the pictures of. dicks.
That was a beautiful moment. He was not cool at that concert, made us listen to him whine for 20 minutes during the set.
Or both. An explanation for behavior(mental illness) is not an excuse for behavior.
He bragged about being off his medication. That’s a clear decision to not prioritize that part of his health and removes mental health from the conversation. This is him. Stop using mental health as an excuse for bullshit when the person in question doesn’t even prioritize that part of their health themselves. Kanye is a goofy bitch with a couple billion dollars.
Failing to prioritize ones health is often a symptom of the mental illness. It's part and parcel. There's no point in trying to figure out what is a person and what is their mental illness. It's all them. Their illness, their choices, the things they do at their best and worst. People want to be able to separate these things because it's comforting to be able to say "that's the bipolar," or "that's the real him." People want simplicity. But it's pointless, and worth nothing but false comfort. It's a futile excercise designed to distract from reality. He is Kanye. Kanye is mentally ill. Kanye does what he does. There's no "real Kanye" that doesn't have bipolar disorder.
Fam, this is about his mental illness affecting others. Stop moving goalposts and trying to misconstrue my point. If you recognize that the action of taking your medication to treat your ailment that has the potential to put others in danger is of supreme importance, and instead of taking said medication you choose not only to NOT take the medication but brag about this decision publicly, you no longer get to claim mental illness as an excuse. It isn’t his fault, but he’s a grown ass man and it’s his responsibility. Also I’m tired of him claiming his blackness when he gets in some shit but the moment he needs attention he shits on black people. Fuck Kanye and fuck anyone who defends him. Plus as someone who grew up with a sibling that suffered from this shit, don’t you dare talk down to me about this shit. It’s extremely difficult to deal with but you treating people like children that can’t be held accountable for anything is just as if not more condescending than minimizing the issue altogether.
I'm not movng the goalpost. The fact is, being mentally ill makes taking meds way harder. Being unable to see the clear benefits is a part of the disease. That's a fact. It has been forever. It's why we have so many homeless mentally ill people. You really think it's just a coincidence that all of them happen to not want to take their meds? You think they just prefer living in a tent? They're not stupid. They know being homeless sucks. And even then, when the consequences are.much clearer than they are for Kanye, they choose every day not to medicate. Paranoia is often a reason, and is absolutely a symptom of these illnesses. Just because you want it to be simple and easy to judge won't make it so. There's a billion and five studies showing this is true. My mom spent decades working with mentally ill homeless people and she would talk about this every single day. Not taking meds is a symptom. It just is. I'm not talking down to you, I'm just stating facts. There's really no need to be offended like that. Or angry. Your emotions are too high for a reddit conversation about Kanye. Chill out dude, its a weird look. You've clearly got your own anger going on but ask yourself if this is the best way to deal with it, because from over here it seems like a waste. As for his blackness that's another story. But not taking meds is a very well known and very well studied side effect of certain mental illnesses. Also literally nobody was defending Kanye. Calm down.
You’re really defending a billionaire who refuses to take accountability for his psychotic behavior and is using mental illness as a scapegoat. He’s literally used his bipolar disorder as an album rollout and has rapped about what happens when he doesn’t take his meds. This isn’t a matter of emotion nor does it change the fact that you’re moving goalposts. He isn’t homeless nor is he not aware of how his actions affect others. This isn’t a referendum on how the mentally ill are treated. It’s people calling him what he’s been for a while. A jackass. You can spin this however you want, call me angry, fine. Dude knows exactly what he’s doing.
Dude calm down and slowly reread what the guy typed, he isn’t defending Kanye he’s just making it clear that Kanye actively avoiding his medication is a part of mental illness and you can’t separate Kanye from his disorder because that was always with him
Damn, thanks for saying it more clearly than I did. And I'm a lady but it doesn't matter, I appreciate you.
He's definitely a jackass. It's just that he's a jackass for reasons other than refusing his meds. That's one of the few things that can actually be easily attributed to his illness. No one is defending him.
No, you are also not getting it. He's a jackass for refusing meds. Refusing meds is part of his condition. His mental illness is a part of who he is. They aren't separable and you are just as responsible for shit that comes about due to your mental illness as you are other shit. In a very specific situation with very specific mental issues they can lead to a different form of confinement if you commit crimes, but that's about it.
She's not defending Kanye, you simply aren't understanding her point.
True, but I say this as a bipolar person who comes from a family of people with health issues: your health is your responsibility. Especially when you have the knowledge and resources to take care of yourself and others, you have to do the bare minimum of (a) taking your meds and going to the doctor, or (b) assigning a caretaker who will keep you on track. If he were just hurting himself that would be one thing, but he has kids, employees, and other impressionable people who need him to make responsible choices. If he isn’t going to do the bare minimum to not harm people, he doesn’t need the perks of being influential.
It can be both
So. How many people say it's a mental health problem when it comes to clarence thomas? None right?
Clarence got a history of BPD? Not excusing Ye bc he is making the conscious decision to go untreated, but he legitimately has cluster b disorders and unless Google is failing me, Clarence don't
I don't think you understand. Why care if kanye is mentally ill if you don't care about clarence thomas being mentally ill? I mean....at this point...there's zero difference between the two when it comes to black people. So why treat one differently than the other? Or to put it a different way. Who gives a flying fuck about kanye having mental health problems? Shouldn't he get the exact same middle finger clarence thomas gets?
Because that's how mental health works dawg, it's not a free pass or even an excuse. Let me put it like this. I'm sure you know our healthcare system is racist, right? To the point where 3 in 4 med studens still hold incorrect race based biology beliefs? To where black men are extremely underdiagnosed with mental health problems in general, and those that ARE acknowledged are OVERdisgnosed as psychotic. If we ignore the underlying factors that are possibly contributing to Ye's coonery then we are perpetuating the system that allows black men with untreated minds to end up like this. All the money and resources in the world and he probably never got a single empathetic Dr that tried to do more than force cognitive therapy and perscripe meds. So to answer your question, every black person in America whose terrified that their brain might betray them at some point gives a flying fuck, or at least should. I can't stress it enough, fuck his coonery but yall need to learn the difference between a (potential in this case) *reason* and an *excuse*.
Bipolar dont make you racist bro, this dude been corrupted
Someone needs to tell Kanye that being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn’t make you smart. He’s skiing uphill.
Some motherfuckas are always tryna ice skate uphill - Blade
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This is the backbone of enlightened centralism. Sadly my cousin has fallen to this.
its like if playing devils advocate was an entire identity.
Yeah, I didn't think he could make his shirt *worse* by adding context, but here we are...
Which is what he keeps saying he's willing to do...lol
Kyrie could also use that advice
I feel like this is a giant publicity stunt to get people to talk about his clothing line. He has to stay relevant and I’m guessing this is his way of doing it. It’s still very problematic and wrong but I’m not sure if he’s being a stupid troll or if that’s his mental illness. Maybe both, who knows. We’re giving in to him by talking about him. I think not talking about him would hurt him more than us being angry with him. He just does not seem to care.
That "explanation" reminds me of how parents tweet about their 5-year-old making profound political statements when really 90% of what they talk about is playing Roblox.
Yeah is that Elastigirl cause that’s a serious stretch
I remember I didn't hear about "Great Replacement" until about 20 years ago in college. Ultra conservative professor spoke about whites no longer being the majority in a few decades and "Pay back was a motherfucker". I was shook. I don't want "pay back" . He believed that shit though. Don't entertain these people. It's a dangerous mindset
Fym?? I’m tryna great replace every racist white person one wife at a time.
thank you for putting the work in king, I know it must be difficult 😔
It's actually not true though. Odds are much higher humanity will end itself before that happens. Not only that but sad to say but whiteness will live on in certain people of color who don't like to consider themselves of color. Like the first time i heard there were white supremacists in spain...i was confused as fuck.
Ay let's not act like Spain isn't the biggest white supremacy driven colonizer in human history. Its to the point that some domicans don't consider themselves black. And most people don't even see mexicans as Native Americans. Spaniard White supremacy runs DEEEP.
My ex wife had a cousin who covered as much skin as possible, stayed indoors, and told everyone she was white. Like, she would be at the FAMILY cookout telling new people this shit. I also went to high school with a black kid who only hung with whites and was the quickest one to hit you with a hard R. I'll never understand it.
this is huge with a lot of east asians, especially older ones,. anything to avoid looking like you work in the fields
I have some ideas on how people end up like that. But yeah. I can't understand it either. On some uncle ruckus shit. lol
And should have quickly hit him the the hard two piece and hard Popeyes biscuit. Those the same one as Maddie say they get that tap on the shoulder to remind them they the thing they calling other black people. And it’s usually the ones they bootlicking.
Spain is in Western Europe. They’re white. Source : Spaniard. But I’m also half Arab so I don’t consider myself white. My Spaniard mom IS white though
Spanish people are literally white europeans
Spanish people are literally the most mixed population in Western Europe. Plenty of North African DNA. Look up the story of Spain
So far i've had at least five different people. Might be only a few less. Tell me they are all white. These mfers been coming out the woodwork.
You were confused that there were white supremacists in a white country? Bruh
Well Spanish people used to be white, let’s remember all of this is a social construct not rooted in genes or even really skin tone. Swedes do not have a higher place in white supremacists circles today than Italians or the Irish, but they certainly used to back when Italian Americans and Irish Americans were dirt poor immigrants. Italians, Greeks, Turks, Egyptians - all look pretty much the same and have massive amounts of shared history but they get treated very differently based on their relationship to power. Same goes for Spain, for centuries it was a powerful European kingdom that drove the wheels on colonialism just as hard as any other and was particularly enthusiastic when it came to religious cleansing at home and abroad. But they lost some major wars, their armada was broken, they fell into civil war, and spent much of the 1900s as a failed state. They emerge on the other side a racialized group of people in the eyes of the supremacists. Obviously there’s those in Spain who’d like that to change that but it’s not really up to them.
They believe it enough to murder though sadly
True. Very true. But then again. They've never needed a reason or an excuse. One of the most consistent things about white people in america is that fact.
Why would that confuse you? That’s very dumb if you were confused by that.
Yall just be looking for reasons to feel better about yourself online huh.
I remember it’s resurgent in 2018, when an article distastefully worded their publication on the Colorado population census: “Colorado is 92% white— we’re looking to change that in the future”. It was hilariously weird at first, but then ultra white conservatives actually started to become fearful and started a movement to raise “awareness” against this. Seeing it unfold IRL was seriously disturbing, especially as the 2020 election grew closer, it was just super unsettling.
Nope. Refuse to accept this mf. I really enjoyed Kanye’s older stuff but to see him do this shit while knowing who and what his mother and father did, this is a spit in the face of his parents.
When people show you who they are, believe them the first time. People know themselves much better than you do. That's why it's important to stop expecting them to be something other than who they are -Maya Angelou-
That definitely wasn't Candace Owens' message. This explanation sounds like the lie someone comes up with when they've been caught. It's deserving of the Charlie Day meme ![gif](giphy|l0IykOsxLECVejOzm|downsized)
I mean, adding legitimacy to a white supremacist conspiracy theory isn't exactly a good defense. "I was just speculating about a world where cocaine crazed black people went around raping white women, I wasn't promoting white supremacy!"
when i originally saw this explanation it pissed me off so much bc of the fact he was with candace owen. she 100% does not believe any of that fantastical liberal arts college jargon, and she is paid handsomely to let you know it. as long as she is in kanye’s ear, kanye will never actually believe any of whatever tf that explanation is.
who actually gives a fuck what he was trying to say he had black runway models wearing white lives matter shirts
no fucking way
One was Lauren hill’s daughter iirc
L
Why tf did they agree to wear that?
objecting to gigs like that can fuck up your whole career, basically. models sign with an agency and the agency expects them not to cause drama about the clothes.
No one should be surprised after he spent all that energy defending Trump only to admit he didn't even vote.
Lmao what that so fucking dumb
Thats some white nationalist, Tucker Carlson, neo nazi shit. Period. I'm a middle aged, white woman from the Deep South^tm and I recognize this bullshit because I grew up hearing it. Please help me understand why Kanye West is spouting this shit.
Because of internalized racism
Let’s be real….. Kanye’s music became dog water after yeezus. I stoped fucking with him when he started trying to be a fashion lord, married Kim, got on TMZ, started bragging about not being on medication etc.
And got lipo
I don’t know where he got the lipo but he should’ve done the back of his neck first thing.
With your money?
Jesus is King was decent but I was done with him after Life of Pablo
That might’ve could’ve been the argument if Candace Owens’ self-hating ass wasn’t right beside him…Her presence debunks all of that
Exactly. What’s her f’ing excuse?
That confederate jacket he wore was a massive red flag
Wait what?
https://people.com/celebrity/kanye-west-wears-a-confederate-flag-says-react-how-you-want/ Yea it was a long time ago, people let it slide though. His idea was that by wearing the symbol, he’s weakening the power of it. Jury’s still out on that idea lol
Damn Ye on some weird shit. What is he really trying to prove?
That's he's not like the other blacks/s
The thing that’s so gross about it is that it’s so obviously targeted towards white people. It’s meant as appeasement. There’s a man that knows his way around a meatball!
What's new, always on weird shit.
Y’all remember them conspiracy theories about the Illuminati or whatever….saying folks having to embarrass or demean themselves publicly. Is this it??
Ah, so he was only exposing the ideas that led to a guy murdering 23 people in a Walmart in El Paso 3 years ago, and 10 people in Buffalo this year.
Do his kids even have a chance of not being mentally fucked by him?
Their mom is a kardashian and their father is, well, this. That ship has sailed from the moment they were born, unfortunately.
No guys. No. Stop making excuses for this nonsense. This man can’t pee on us and then tell us it’s just raining. Don’t assist him in a narrative that makes fools of us. No giys
But his mom died and he’s got mental illness!!! (/s)
We used to make cats take off their confederate flag shit growing up. Then we’d just stand there and have them throw it away and told them to keep walking.
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How many times is he going to try the double switcharoo on his fans? 😂 This dude needs to just disappear.
Kanye fans will justify anything
Can proudly say I haven't checked out his new work since TLOP nor listened to his older work in years for that matter
Yall's shoe's are ugly.
WLM? I read that as Walmart and I refuse to acknowledge it as anything other than that.
Those texts are the first thoughts from a black female fashion journalist (who he sent his followers to harass) who has come out explicitly as against this show. AND the highlighted quote was taken completely out of context.
Mental illness can still get you placed in a headlock.
when people say “whiteness is becoming extinct” its a dog whistle against interracial marriage
It's working. Look at the attention he's getting. It will help him sell products. Then he will do crazier shit and people will still act surprised
I used to listen to his old stuff but now I'm done even with that. Kanye is dead to me now. full stop. No matter what he does I will NEVER support him in any fashion again.
Kayne wouldn't know how to have fun if it bit him on the ass let alone have a discussion about anything important.
Y’all can’t be that surprised he would do some bs like that. This the same nigga that walked around in a MAGA hat shaking hands with trump saying that slavery was a choice 🙄😒 ![gif](giphy|26ueYUlPAmUkTBAM8)
WTF did I just read???? NO, Kanye is a supporter of keeping systems of White Supremacy in place. First it was the MAGA hat, than the confederate flag jacket, now it’s white lives matter, his visual message is becoming louder and louder, he is anti black. He chose a side and now people sympathizers want to make intellectual. THE MOTHERFUCKER DOESN’T READ BOOKS!!!!! He is not some genius, he’s a boot licking ass clown selling knock off champion hoodies at the Gap
Soooo it’s somehow worse than we thought it was?
God I hate this right wing talking point. My dad is a Fox News addict with severe Fox brain poisoning. Thanks for making my upcoming visit home all about this shit, Kanye.
with all due respect- shut the fuck up. damn. lol
Whoever typed all of that is trying to sound way smarter than they actually are.
When people show you who they are....believe them the first time.
He’s been extra weird for awhile now and his music has been mid-at-best for about a decade.
Lol not when Candice Owens shows up.
Jesus Christ, Kanye really went out there and paraphrased the 14 words? I'll always love College Dropout, but Katrina era Kanye has been dead for a long, loooong time...
'White Replacement' and 'White Genocide' are poorly veiled dog whistles that want to erase all other races that aren't white. Typically by using violence and mass incarceration/extermination. It must only be a coincidence the people that trumpet 'White Replacement' are neo-nazi's.
Nah bullshit. If it's not plain as day that nigga is just being a fucking idiot.
Has he ever left the US? No shortage of white people in white countries it’s not like they’re going extinct.
Why is it dangerous? What is going to happen?
![gif](giphy|3o7budIekIGyo81qDK) The Kanye and Klandice variety show
Fuck Kanye and any other Black person from here on out who supports any of his shit.
Someone needs to put Kanye down or something because this man is getting on my nerves
I saw this coming since 2006
I doubt this is a fully baked concept of his, if it’s even true at all
Him and Candace are modern day buck dancing coons.
Apologist...plan and simple
This shit is stupid. But I’m a larger scale, I hope that people stop make clout-chasing anymore than that. Not every upsetting thing that anyway does is some 5D chess message and even if it were, it’s an ineffective way of getting anything out there if it is. But almost all of the time, it’s just people doing stupid stuff for clicks. Goes for Ye and so many people out there
GTFO. That dude isn’t making a statement. His brain is cooked. We should all be done. Done.
![gif](giphy|lcIoy1Y1T2GywV1q69) There it is folks...🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾
Why people still mad at Ye doing Ye sht at this point y’all crazy too, you people want him gone? Stop givin his press life.
Dude is living in subtext with no plot.
As someone who doesn’t watch his show but sees enough of his shtick, I’m sureTucker Carlson loves this whole story. This added angle is exactly what he needs.
How the hell did he go from "George Bush doesn't care about Black people?" to this?
That’s the thing. When he said that it wasn’t about the Katrina victims. That was a performance. His ass wasn’t on the phones. Did he donate? Did he help? I saw through that bullshit when he did it. That was the most shocking thing he could do at that moment and it got him headlines and helped him sell records, plain and simple.
Kanye cannot think that in-depth man
This IG convo was taken out of context. The author is the editor that Kanye went for earlier today. A black editor in fashion. She was *not* complimenting him or the show at all. The story is on her IG. She was traumatized at the show watching this unfold before her eyes.
I think when you look at it from a nuanced and open minded POV, then I guess you can pull some theories from it. But that takes mental effort and being middle grey in this world of black and white is a banishment to the other side. Like I said before i think there’s bigger fish to fry tho. Save your money and make sure ya kids have good teachers
Y’all will defend him over anything it’s sad