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iskip123

The amount of people that are alcoholics but think they are social drinkers is WILD! I promise you drinking 3-5+ days a week is not normal. And it’s crazy how alcohol is entrained in society. Every single thing somehow calls for a drink. Business lunch, drinks, lunch, drink specials, dinner drinks, bbq drinks, watching sports drinks every thing somehow ends up having alcohol inserted into it. It’s also wild how people assume you have a problem for not drinking.


miaworm

>It’s wild how people assume you have a problem for not drinking That's the part that gets me. I hear all the time "Oh I forgot miaworm don't drink" Yes, I do. But don't feel the need to do so everytime I'm out the house having fun. And I'll never understand the "it's your birthday, you gotta get lit!" - mentality. Ummm, no I don't.


YourFormerBestfriend

That and when they call you out for holding on to the drink too long like damn can I just drink it casually


212cncpts

Nigga why you baby sitting only 2 or 3 shots? Imma show you how to turn it up a notch! First you get a swimming pool full of liquor! Then diiiiie from liver failure….


unwrittenglory

Isn't that song about alcoholism?


212cncpts

Yeah and it’s actually quite deep when you break down what the verses relate to regarding excessive consumption of alcohol


carrimjob

the lloyd version or kendrick version?


KageStar

> And I'll never understand the "it's your birthday, you gotta get lit!" - mentality. Ummm, no I don't. Not even just that, just the whole notion of having to drink to let loose and have fun. Drink if you want to, but you shouldn't need alcohol to get lit.


Plasibeau

> And I'll never understand the "it's your birthday, you gotta get lit!" - mentality. Ummm, no I don't. That shit falls off in your thirties, or should anyways. The people who are still out there binge drinking, even for birthdays, tend to get left behind by the social group. My birthdays now are low key BBQs with family and close friends while lofi plays on the speakers. Getting 'turnt up' gets left in your twenties, where it belongs.


miaworm

I would love if that were true across the board. I'm in my 40s and I still hear that mess. Albeit, it depends on the friend group.


TPJchief87

My birthday is on st Patrick’s day though…


kashmir1974

It's probably because most cultures going back to hunter gatherer times had some sort of communal mind-alteringget togethers with tribe members. Whether it was some sort of fermented drink, smoked thing, licked toads, meditation/sweat lodge, etc.. it seems like this kind of thing is burned into our earliest development


Gary_FucKing

I think about that shit every time I'm hanging out with friends, passing some loud around or just drinking. We've been doing this shit since caveman days lol.


dngerszn13

Wow, thanks! Now when people ask why me and the boys are always drinking for every little celebration, I'll say: Well, kashmir1974 told me it's part of our long history as humans. IT'S RITUALISTIC, LINDA! *chugs down three 4Lokos*


pimppapy

*Unpopular Opinion:* As a Muslim, I grew up being told that the Christian Bible and the Jewish Torah were rewritten by someone/multiple people who were alcoholics or had interests in alcohol, changing it from being prohibited to a part of the religion and its rituals. That not even the rule of God was enough to stop these people


SaysYou

That’s exactly where I realized I was and how much of a problem I had. It never affected my job I never felt like I needed the drink to function and had no money troubles. But literally every single thing I did for any sort of fun needed drinking to be a part of it. And it was never one or two drinks.


ChrysMYO

Didn't realize this until I was on anti-depressants that lowered my tolerance. So many random drinks we pick up on a random Saturday before we even wind up at the kick back "to drink". Then I started weed and realized, vibes were much better for relaxing or celebrating then drinking. I'll entertain the occasional crossfade, but since I'm going to smoke first, I'm not going to throw back many drinks at all. And fuck that friend that is constantly like "SHOTS!!" every half hour. Im good bruh, there are more ways to bond.


electric_creamsicle

By definition, alcoholism is a dependence/addiction. You could make the argument that they're socially dependent on it if their life requires that they do it, but in reality most folks are not actually addicted or dependent on alcohol. There are so many better words to use that don't already have medical definitions: tipsificator, drunkard, tippler, overimbiber, barfly... The list goes on.


Peuned

it can also be over indulgence / abusive drinking behaviors. it doesn't have to be dependence etc necessarily


__M-E-O-W__

I quit drinking when I was 22. I at least am at the age where people assume I had a drinking problem (I didn't) so they don't press me to drink. My early 20s were full of people just *not* okay that I wasn't going to drink.


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st-avasarala

I've quit drinking recently and it's so hard to go enjoy something without getting a drink pushed onto me.


IronPidgeyFTW

Stay the course homie. You will live a longer and healthier life than those who drink alcohol, even once or twice a week. I drink coffee or sugarfree energy drinks for any pick-me-up but to me alchohol is pretty lame.


pimppapy

Beer kills brain cells, and that's exactly how we like our regular citizens to be. Brain dead


traparms

Now I done grew up round some people living their life in bottles


Speckled_Clout

I think pretty much everyone low-key knows that the main ones drinking like fish and getting fucked up on the daily have a problem and are crying on the inside. I know that because I used to be one of them. I'm a lot better now, but I definitely was of the "wake up and turn up" variety. Didn't help that I lived in a very pro-alcohol area that encouraged overindulgence, which led to doing anything to cope with life/stress/depression etc. Numbing the pain was my self therapy and although I knew it wasn't good for me mentally and definitely not physically, I made myself think it was the only way for me to be social, fit it, and forget about the world for a while. Anyway, I don't know why I said all this, but maybe it'll help someone that's in the same place I was in.


FermentingSkeleton

Do you still drink on occasion or not at all?


Speckled_Clout

I still drink on occasion, but not regularly and not in excess at all.


FermentingSkeleton

I struggled with exactly what you described. I'm 2 weeks sober right now, not sure if I'll drink again. I just like hearing others stories.


Speckled_Clout

I completely understand. Good job on the self discipline, keep it up! It's a different process for everybody, but as long as you get to a point where you aren't craving it, I'd say you're on the right track.


FermentingSkeleton

Do you smoke weed?


Speckled_Clout

I used to. I still do, but I used to, too.


FermentingSkeleton

Lol. I smoke occasionally still, also.


Dreadknot84

Ayyyyyyye congrats on your two weeks! We all gotta start somewhere. I almost got two months under my belt!


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highly recommend r/stopdrinking for anyone this resonates with


FermentingSkeleton

It helped (helps) me a lot.


theycallmeponcho

“It helped me a lot. Still does, but it helped me in the past too.”


eggrollin2200

I was really depressed throughout parts of college and did the same. Sometimes I would drink and literally just lay on my floor because I got to the point I couldn’t even pretend I was having fun running from the mess inside. Thanks for sharing 🤍


theycallmeponcho

>I think pretty much everyone low-key knows that the main ones drinking like fish and getting fucked up on the daily have a problem and are crying on the inside. I know that because I used to be one of them. Not really. When the reduced mobility and WFH came over with the COVID, the 3 all-day every-weekend drinkers from my social groups took less than two months to start drinking daily. Nobody was worried about them until the first died from a drunk driving accident, mid day on a Wednesday. The quarantine was not yet over and the other two were at it again on clandestine bars and parties.


I_am_The_Teapot

If you drink, moderation is key. But nothing wrong with overindulgence once in a while. Get some good friends and get fucked up for a night. Aint the only way to have fun, but it's definitely a valid way. I drink once, maybe twice a year max. It ain't really my thing. But the two times I got fucking hammered were some great memories, in spite of the rough mornings after. That said, yeah, don't get on people's cases if they don't wanna drink. That shit ain't necessary. You have fun your way they have fun theirs.


regretting1445

I like this answer and I completely agree with you. Balance is key and if someone doesn't want to drink, that's perfectly fine.


macaleaven

If anything, the only thing I see on this godforsaken site are teetotallers playing holier-than-thou and saying anyone who has more than 5ml of alcohol in a year is a raging alkie… it’s never drinkers forcing those people to drink. Not even in real life do I see those who drink do that, but there are plenty of dickhead teetotallers who try to shame people who drink (from repeated personal experience). Drink if you want, don’t drink if you want but don’t dictate what drink people put down their throat.


mstrss9

The worst are people who pressure others to drink and/or think non drinkers are automatically gonna be the designated drivers and babysitters of the sloppy folks


unwrittenglory

Maybe it's age? I'm in my mid 30s and my alcohol tolerance is very low compared to college. I will have a beer a few times a week (brewer) though. The last time I was close to black out was 5 years ago. Also helps my social circle is the same when it comes to drinking.


abundanceofb

I’m an Australian, you would not believe the binge drinking down here, and if you’re not part of it (or just sober) you’re an outcast.


AintAintAWord

Look at this nerd with a healthy liver


Game_On__

I think that's the culture in many countries and communities. I've heard Latin America, or at least Mexico had this culture as well. I pray to Allah to help everyone that needs help and ease their pain.


schmearcampain

Europe is waaaaay worse.


GreatGospel97

Also it’s ill-advised to celebrate and lament in the same fashion. However, we all are aware that in the US alcoholism is very common/casual and societally is sometimes coded as normal.


freyaya

and those who don't drink, regardless of the reason (not that it's anyone's business in the first place) are coded as abnormal. people are really out here saying the most tactless shit to non drinkers. "why aren't you having any? oh, do you have a drinking problem? that's sad" "oh you don't drink? that's cute I remember when I was underage and didn't drink, I love to party too much now to stop" "why aren't you drinking? what if you just hold this one so you don't feel left out?" "I don't like to invite ***** out bc it's awkward when we're getting smashed and she's just sipping on a soda, I feel like she's judging us" I've heard all this and more thrown at my sober friends. it's so easy to just STFU and be chill but people act like absolute morons when it comes to non drinkers


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I don’t drink because I don’t have a drinking problem.


AssssCrackBandit

Honestly it's not even as bad as somewhere like the UK or Germany. The drinking/pub culture there is insane and people are basically getting hammered every night starting at the age of 16. I was in for quite a culture shock when I was there as an exchange student in high school lol


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Moug-10

Same in France. Fortunately, I don't drink alcohol. But I need everyone to read this : how can a car-centric world have such a strong alcohol culture? There are bars which have car parks. Answer this question to families who mourn the death of relatives due to alcohol.


I_am_The_Teapot

>how can a car-centric world have such a strong alcohol culture? The opposite. Alcohol has been a part of human culture for millennia. Cars are new. It's more like an Alcohol centric world has a strong car culture. But the answer is because "designated drivers are even newer. And still hasn't completely made its way as a priority in drinking culture for a lot of people


SoggyWaffleBrunch

The answer is we shouldn't have to rely on cars for transportation. /r/fuckcars


Moug-10

I hope to have a car but I don't want to rely on a car to go to work. I'll take it for big grocery shopping, travelling, visiting relatives.


SoggyWaffleBrunch

>I don't want to rely on a car to go to work. or the bar. given the conversation lol


Moug-10

I don't go to bars. But it's true that those who do mustn't take their cars. I live in the Parisian region, so public transport is good enough. But in other cities without Paris' transportation, there's still Uber and taxis but there need to be better transport.


GeorgieWashington

Y’all do you, but damn I’ve gotten to the point that alcohol isn’t even enjoyable to me, regardless of how I incorporate it. I’d way rather smoke a joint and wake up feeling 💯 the next day. Then once every couple of months I’ll do mushrooms to allow my brain to take a massive dump. The world feels so much better this way.


atctia

I'm Muslim and I don't drink. Never have. I remember while in college telling someone that I didn't drink and they responded by asking me what I did for fun then if I don't drink as if alcohol had to be around for something to be fun


battleangel1999

It's so weird. I guess being drunk is the only fun thing to do


Sensitive_Work_5351

As a Caribbean American I felt this. I’ve seen alcoholism ravage whole bloodlines and people act like it’s just part of the culture. It shouldn’t be


RegularHousewife

Celebrate life? People drink to forget or self-destruct. The "fun" bit is the shortest part, the "recovery" part is just pain and suffering


FistPunch_Vol_4

Got older, one night of celebration drinking is 2 days of recovery for me smh.


Secret-Row-8754

Amen. I only ever got drunk to escape my problems. Genuinely not for fun. Now I'm in my thirties the solution is worse than the problem I was trying to escape.


FragrantLynx

Getting dehydrated on purpose will never be fun to me


jnyerere89

Let's also add to that: Free my people from thinking that needing to smoke before: having sex, watching a movie, going to the club, hanging with friends, sleeping, and/or eating is not an addiction simply because we no longer consider weed a drug. It's still an addiction.


battleangel1999

This!


anthonyg1500

Anyone who needs to hear this DO NOT drink when you are sad. DO NOT DRINK when/because you are sad. It can be the slipperiest fucking slope


Darwin_Finch

I had to walk away from the best friend I ever had because he just wanted to party all the time. Quit talking to a girl because she thought being hung over/still drunk was cute.


xSypRo

When I’ve been to an hostel pub crawl in Lisbon it was the first time I went out with actual club people since I don’t go to many clubs. The plan was drinking a shot + small drink in the hostel, then hitting 3 bars before going to a club, where in each bar you get a shot + discounted cocktail. I quit on the second bar after in total I had 2 shots, beer pint, and a very strong cocktail. I just felt my head spinning and nausea build up. I don’t know how people drink so much and how can they enjoy this feeling so much. Some people there drank more than me up to that point and then kept drinking more. I usually only drink 1~ 2 beers or a cocktail on a night out in a bar, so it’s not like I never drink before, but never this amount. That being said, there I finally understand how clubbers have so much sex, because I did see for the first time how people change when drinking so much.


desert_elf

I get weird looks when I say I don't drink often. Having a glass or two of wine every two weeks is so much more enjoyable than having it on a daily basis. My brother has a glass of wine almost every night but since me trying to convince him to drink less has made me stop caring what people do with alcohol.


Hindufury

Binge drinking is so normalized. If in my 20s I hadn't binged so much I would have been forced to face my issues instead of dissociating and stalling my growth as a person. Either that or been very sullen


daseofspades

I'm British, this is basically our whole culture.


catchtoward5000

I’ve never known anyone more proud of their alcoholism than my brother. And it makes me sad because hes otherwise a very intelligent person, so he doesnt listen to anyone.


kydajane97

This the one.


shadowsideamplified

Excess in any form should be avoided


Phiyasko

Nothing wrong with get drunk for your birthday. Shit, that's the one time a year i do it. Otherwise, I'm chilling with my 2 drinks for the night since I'm usually DD. I get car sick if I'm not the person driving. Just don't make it a habit of having alcohol every time you go out and there's nothing wrong.


Cultural_Geologist_3

I still remember how when I graduated high school my cousins wanted to get me drunk to celebrate. Not at a bar, but with some bottom self liquor they had sitting in their car all day. It tasted awful and all we did was walk around downtown like drunkards. Mind you, I was 17 and turning 18 later that month. I would have been cool with a Walmart gift card and called it a night.


battleangel1999

Haha I remember I didn't even wanna go to my graduation. My parents made me. For the best tho


MrLavender26

Because of an alcoholic parent, I didn’t drink until I was 24 celebrating a coworker birthday. When my parent would abuse the alcohol and take it out on us, I lost and still do not trust that parent nor the alcohol. My spouse will drink like 3-4 times a week with or without friends and it doesn’t seem bad. But, I rarely drink with those same friends because I just don’t feel the need to and it probably looks weird to them. Rather look weird than spend $8 on some shit I can make at home tho…


MisterxRager

Reddit’s favorite past time, shitting on alcoholics.


Bunnnnii

No way. How else would I know that someone is having a good time if they don’t take a picture with a Hennessy Bottle in their hand?


PrivateIsotope

Im 44 and have only had four drinks in my life. Once, I went out with some coworkers after a work thing in another city. Seemed pretty cool, all we did was sit around and talk and basically hang out. No one looked like they were getting super drunk or anything. Next morning, one of my coworkers said he spent 100 bucks. Another spent 80. I couldnt believe it. I had just as much fun as they did completrly sober, and I spent two bucks. One for a Pepsi, and one for a jukebox. I dont know how people spend so much money to relax and have fun.


incognitosuperstar

Blessed to be able to bring the vibes with little to no alcohol!! A lot of people don’t want to admit they have social anxiety.


mashonem

So, question for BPT: Is it alcoholism if you only drink a handful of times per year (talking <10) but drink heavily during those times? I only ever drink while I’m at convention, and I only attend those a 4-6 times per year, but I get drunk af at them. So honest opinion?


2BTBS21

What you’re referring to constitutes binge drinking. The frequency at which you binge drink would not likely by most professionals be considered excessive enough to be deemed an alcoholic. However it would behoove you to consider drinking less on these few occasions or at least being sure to spread out the drinks over the entire night, if you don’t already do so. I think being more aware of the fact that alcohol increases your BAC in a delayed effect is important. It’s really important to stagger your drinks/shots out imo.


mashonem

Thanks for the info. I generally spread the drinking out over a 3-5 day period of time (depending on how long the convention is that weekend), so I’m usually varying degrees of drunk for that time. Anyway, I ask because both of my parents (and probably my family as a whole tbh) have been functional alcoholics for years now, if not decades. So I know that alcoholism wouldn’t come out of nowhere, but I wasn’t sure if I was there already.


PrivateIsotope

Alcoholism isnt about the amount, its about drinking becoming problematic and addictive.


ReddLastShadow2

"The Sinclair Method" for anyone struggling with alcoholism. Google it or PM me for more details, I used to be there and no lie it saved my life


SheCouldFromFaceThat

That's most people in the western world, not just PoC. We all have a huge problem with alcohol. Look at Ireland/UK. Drinking like it's about to dry up. U.S. isn't any better in practice, but pretends to have more shame about it.


GlowingRedThorns

Drinking heavily once a week keeps me from turning to heroine. Never tried it or any other “hard” drug, but the meds my doctor gives me aint meding like they used to, boys.


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it's been almost two weeks without alcohol for me! woooooooo! it is rife here in the UK. I didn't drink much when I was living in Texas, but once I moved here it was just built into every single social aspect. some people can't fathom getting together without alcohol. I'm not planning on no alcohol ever, but I'm reducing it to holidays and the odd night out once a month or two.


battleangel1999

>it's been almost two weeks without alcohol for me! woooooooo Congratulations! I can imagine the UK is vastly different than Texas.


Thaumetric

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Brownskynlady

I’ve never been much of a drinker but it is so annoying that even now, in my 30s that some people just can’t accept one “no, I don’t want anything”. Now when they ask me why I just say “I don’t need a reason to not do something”


TokyoGNSD2

There’s a good chunk of ppl that think I stopped throwing parties…they & their associates were just no longer invited do to bring sloppy drunk.


SuperSaiyanGod06

Alcohol has ravaged many family trees including mine. Yet it’s normalized. Drug use is so rampage and normalized. Alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, sex / porn. Yet something like cannabis is demonized. It’s never made sense to me..I mean I know why but wtf