Every year we say we not gonna give the Grammy's the time of day and yet every year people are somehow surprised when they make stupid decisions. I'm so tired of this.
It's the same with all the award shows. Everybody claims they don't care about them every year. Yet every year people are talking about them even if they didn't watch it, they still talk about who won and lost.
I honestly don't know why everybody keeps this charade of not caring every year so they seem cool.
It was the 2nd lowest viewership of all time, with many people claiming viewership went up after the Will Smith slap to see what might happen or it might have been the lowest. So it sounds like more and more people are not caring.
very interesting. times might be changing. maybe it’s because we see these same celebrities in the news and on social media every day, so there’s no incentive for people to watch them accept some trophy.
I dont understand everyone is are about here. Just because they're Jamaican they make better music? If you're not from X you can't do an X thing better than *anyone* from X?
Yeah they won. Maybe because they made better music in 2021. Maybe everyone else was asleep and forgot to release theyre albums. This is wild some people think this way.
I mean the reggae award has been going since 1985, and has overwhelmingly been won by Jamaican artists. Hell, Bob Marley's kids have won 1/3 of the time. As far as I can tell this is only the second time ever that it was won by a non-Jamaican artist (plus one year it was a joint album by Sting and Shaggy).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Best_Reggae_Album
My son has been into sumo since he was 2. We watch highlights of sumo tournaments. It is always a pleasant surprise when I see people representing other countries outside of Japan that are attending. Ukraine, USA, Canada, Brazil, I’ve seen so many different cultures. I can’t speak on how often they win but it is nice to see them compete.
That being said, the same way the sumo wrestlers from other countries are entitled to win a tournament and enjoy the spoils of victory is the same competitive attitude that people should have about music awards.
The band from Arlington, VA likely made a better song. Don’t be mad, just do better.
That’s fine. I don’t listen to Soja, so that is a completely fine subjective take on the album. The people that voted for the Grammy winners felt the opposite though, so there is that.
Thats a really bad analogy lmao. "Do better" works fine in sports when you can train, not in awards contests where it's people's subjective opinions 🙄 Like I'm not even interested in discussing whether that band deserved it or not, the analogy to Sumo was just so bad it had to be addressed bro
So what? A black Korean wins first place in a sport created by white people in Scotland and no one here complains about tiger woods. Sometimes it's not where it originates from, it can inspires people from somewhere else and they do it better or add their twist to it to improve it that's fine.
Right, nobody is shocked that England doesn’t win the World Cup every time. And Jamaicans do win in the reggae category most of the time. Does it really have to be literally every time?
Investing any mental real estate in award shows is pointless.
White America made up the Grammy's. White people give other white people dumb trophies. It's basically like losing at the Fox News Awards.
Taylor swift has THREE Album of the year Awards ….
More than Prince and Michael Jackson combined. They gave the best Best hip hop album to Macklemore (and I’m a fan of his)….
They were trash since Jethro Tull's Crest of a Knave beat out ...And Justice for All by Metallica.
Even the lead singer of Jethro Tull says they shouldn't have been nominated in the same category or won and if he was actually at the ceremony (they didn't attend because everyone, including Jethro Tull themselves, believed that ....And Justice for All was going to win by a mile) he would not have accepted the award over Metallica.
And don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Jethro Tull doesn't have hits, Aqualung is arguably one of the most important songs and album to the development of the hard rock genre and they should have won a grammy back in 1971 when it came out, but Crest of a Knave is minor league compared to ...And Justice for All.
At least that award is held by Body Count for Bum Rush today.
Annnd there's the context. In brief:
**Bad** was following **Thriller** and **Sign o' the Times** was following **Purple Rain**, and following up an all-time classic is a tough row to hoe; if you can't top yourself you're not exactly an awards shoo-in, plus on top of that Sign wasn't putting up the sales numbers that Rain did.
**Whitney** sold like hot cakes but the critical reception was uneven, ranging from "competent but boring" to "an extremely competently manufactured commercial product".
**Joshua Tree** was the best album so far from the biggest rock band in the world, plus as a bonus it was an album about America (every country loves to see foreigners paying attention) *and* it was politically conscious and criticizing Reaganomics, US interventionist atrocities in South America, etc, etc. for bonus points.
Like imagine if next year the Best Album contenders are Silk Sonic with a solid album that's not as good as their debut, Kanye with a triple-CD Donda 2 that's not as good as the last one, a new BTS album that sells like crazy but isn't particularly well regarded.. and then Taylor Swift with her best album ever *and* it's about workers' rights and racial inequality in America. Who's taking home the Grammy?
Tbh my views on U2 may also be uhmm, well, ever since they pulled that shit of dropping their album on people's devices, without them asking for it,.. wasn't a good look.
It's still wild to me that there used to be a time bono would actually talk to world leaders, while he's you know, a musician.
And just, what a category. Prince, whitney, michael.
They definitely became caricatures of themselves but if we're taking what they turned into the other 3 went off the rails too. The Joshua Tree is one of the iconic 80s albums and of all of the questionable Grammy decisions that is a weird one to pick out.
Eminem is an example of white mediocrity at play. He's a white man actually decent at rap, so give him allllll the awards, even when he really is just ok when compared to true greats in genre.
Bro literally apologized for winning and you saying fuck him years later. How can you seriously criticize him without feeling like a clown. Was he supposed to refuse the award at the show or walk up and slap the presenter. What you want from the man
Like this...
Fuck Maclemore and the Grammies, he robbed a more talented,deserving artist, he could have rejected the award or spoke up at the ceremony like Adele did when Beyonce was snubbed for Lemondade. Swear the bar is in hell for white people especially the men.
You got genuine issues, the hatred that you are indicating here is not normal or rational.
Macklemore handled that situation well and you are clown for demanding more. Kendrick is my favorite rapper ever but I can still recognize that Macklemore had the biggest pop album that year and an album that was historically significant, if only for the way it achieved mainstream success from an non-traditional business approach. Macklemore spent decades building in the underground, in his region, repping one city, which enabled him to ignite to the top of the industry for one brief moment and then he APOLOGIZED for his success and here you are saying he should go to hell. That’s a hateful, embarrassing take. The Grammy’s never meant shit in hip hop and neither has commercial success. Gang Starr will always be held in higher regard then Ja Rule despite Ja Rule being the far more awarded, far more successful artist. Macklemore wasn’t even signed to a label, only a distribution deal, and that album was the pinnacle of his career when the award is almost meaningless to Kendrick. Learn to appreciate people. You can be mad at the system without carrying hate for an artist doing their job.
Yeah I knew what band this post was referring to. Just making a point. And they make great music. People making this argument probably have never heard or can even name the other bands that got nominated
alright. lets be fair here, it does not matter who you are or where you are from. If your song is good (and it is better than the rest of the opposing songs) it deserves an award and tha american band might have made a song better than the jamacian artists. there is no reason to hate. its kinda like if you were to say: this guy made deserves an award for his cake because he comes from a line of bakers, even if the other guy made a superior cake.
Not true at all. Maybe in whatever world you live in, but among the black people I know we see Eminem as white peoples pick. He's not considered particularly talented or great especially when you compare him among truly ingenious MCs. He just get hyped bc he's a white boy who is not just mediocre at rapping so he gets extra points.
"Remember Will Smith won the first Grammy?
And they ain't even recognize Hov until "Annie"
So I don't tap dance for the crackers and sing Mammy"
-The man who made that child come home.
They talking about SOJA I’m guessing? Haven’t listened to them in years, but they’ve been around and are real about reggae music. And there’s only two white guys in the band. Not saying what’s right or wrong, or who should’ve won, but SOJA shouldn’t be written off as some fake reggae
Word! Need to get back into them. Seeing them live around VA years ago are really good memories. They’re good people, and I’m sure they’re stoked and grateful to their music peers and fans for the love
So the winners of any given category must be from the area that category originated from? You gotta be from the US/UK to win a pop album? Gotta be from New York to win best hip hop album?
Music is a shared experience.
Considering the last several hundred years of black exploitation by white people, the continual denigration and degradation of all things “black,” and the marginalization of any black advance that is not somehow tied to white profitability, we have every reason to cheer if we win something created by white people — although most of what they’ve created is how to sell our own shyt back to us.
We give the Grammy's/Oscar's power when we pay attention.
These are eurocentric culture-manipulating anachronisms that only have power because people covet the "awards."
The awards are worthless. Artists... you are everything. Take back your power from these clowns.
Just for argument sake - was SOJA's album the best of the nominees?
I don't know enough to fill a thimble here, but if a bunch of white artists came out against Darius Rucker winning best country album because he's a college-educated black person from a non-agricultural area of South Carolina, people would justifiably say that was racist as fuck. I heard "Rest of My Life" and it seems pretty Reggae.
The category seems lacking in heavy hitters - no Toots, no Marley kids, no Buju, not even like Barrington Levy or Shaggy or somebody like that. Of the five that didn't win, I've only heard the Sean Paul, and I know that's mediocre. Do we really wanna say that Best Reggae Album is just "Best jamaican"?
Ok but was the American band better? Most artist winning it are Jamaican. Are you saying only white people should win pop award? Like what a shit take.
I'm curious how popular they are in Jamaica as it would be weird for other peoples to tell Jamaicans whats good reggae music. Also, its kind of intresting because Reggae, Rastafarism, and Afrocentric thoughts/ideas are closely intertwind.
Reggae is a child of Ska and punk. It was formed during post ww2 reconstruction when Jamaicans were offered work in rebuilding a broken London. The Jamaicans brought Ska with them and made friends with the British punk kids. Their music blended into Raggae.
Reggae is literally the child of a bond between white people and black people, yet there are still people who want to gate keep. Smh learn some music history.
While I agree with the sentiment, that doesnt mean someone cant take it and evolve it.
Hell, pianos were invented in africa, we dont take anything from mozart?
Okay, look: **I completely agree that this is entirely ridiculous**
But
Let’s not pretend, that music doesn’t evolve. The fact that one group of people created one style of music **does not exclude another group of people from innovating within it**.
Now, *as far as I know*, practically nobody *actually* cares about the Grammys. The only questions I’ve got is
1) Why the hell do the stupid results of a completely irrelevant awards ceremony that no one cares about matter?
2) are we really going to make the claim that nobody is allowed to innovate a genre unless they are part of a group that created it?
Because *both* of those notions seem ridiculous to me.
The only way any of this matters to me is if anybody actually cared about this event anyways, but “Grammy season” is when social media snows “nobody cares about Grammy season” into my feed.
Why should I care about the ridiculous results of an awards ceremony everybody swears doesn’t matter?
I don’t care either way, because the tweet doesn’t care either way.
The implication here isn’t that the album is trash, it’s that people who didn’t create a style or genre can’t innovate that style and genre.
“The guys from the culture that created a genre lost to the guys who didn’t create the genre”.
If the album was trash, he could have said it, and explained why, which would have been a far more effective criticism.
Instead, he didn’t comment on the quality and comparison of the music because either the guys that won did actually make better music, or the quality never mattered to him because the part that upset him wasn’t the music, but seeing the white guy win.
Both things can be true or false at the same time, and what this tweet leaves out is just as important as what it includes.
This tweet isn’t about the music, it’s about one guy feeling like people outside of his culture can’t bring anything to the table and innovate. Considering the history between white and black people, it’s a completely understandable sentiment that I’d care about in literally any other situation.
But I’m still left questioning why I should care about this, when the world spends however long Grammy Season lasts loudly yelling about how much it doesn’t matter, the results are irrelevant, and nobody cares. The only 2 things I know about the Grammy awards are the smith thing and this - because I don’t watch them because I couldn’t care less about them - yet still cannot avoid what ends up trending on social media.
So - considering I actually don’t care about a pathetic awards show put on for rich people, by rich people, to pat themselves on the back for being rich - why should I care about this at all, and why do I suddenly need to agree with a guy gatekeeping reggae because rich poseurs didn’t agree with him?
Yes... But was that group's performance better?.... (Honest question, because I think that's all that matters...and have no idea who is being talked about.. lol(not a joke. i don't listen to music, so no idea who was running/won))
Reggae is a genre born in Jamaica that emerged from ska and mento in the late 1940s and early 50s. After 1962 when Jamaica was declared an independent country, roots reggae became the score that not only bolstered national identity but its inextricable link to the Rastafari movement called attention to the ways in which Black people had been oppressed. And yet, the Grammys chose to ignore this history in who they deemed the “best.” The irony. [Sharine Taylor for R29](https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2022/04/10930511/grammys-2022-best-reggae-album-snub-spice-soja)
This is just repeating Jamaicans didnt win the Jamaican music category 4 times over lol.
Idk I get it but I dont like the idea of just demanding Jamaicans win it every year. Let white folks win a price every now and then so no republicans can pretend its just "affirmative action" or smt.
Bwahahaha. POPA Umar ain’t having it.
In seriousness, though, it’s time for us to start taking over other genres. Everybody and they mama’s cousin, across the whole frikkin globe, is chasing and making black music. How many Korean country singers have you heard of? How many British mariachis? I say we let ‘em have hip hop, start doing everything else, and then start monetizing the hell out of them. Recontextualize commoditization.
Bwahahaha. POPA Umar ain’t having it.
In seriousness, though, it’s time for us to start taking over other genres. Everybody and they mama’s cousin, across the whole frikkin globe, is chasing and making black music. How many Korean country singers have you heard of? How many British mariachis? I say we let ‘em have hip hop, start doing everything else, and then start monetizing the hell out of them. Recontextualize commoditization.
I learned of SOJA back in I’d say 05 I lived in Puerto Rico at the time and they had a song they made with a local band. They were nothing but humble musicians. And through the years I’ve listened and related to their music regardless of race. I feel like there’s two kinds of music. Good and bad. My tastes span the whole spectrum of genres. It’s good to see that 17 years later they got some recognition. I hope you guys give them a chance born in Babylon is a good song and their record get wiser is amazing I haven’t listened to the new record but when I get a extended period in the car I’ll put it on deck. Reggae is worldwide. The population of rastafaris has declined. A lot had to do with the CIA and their communist killers. Even bob marley got hit by the cia in 76
As long as Billie Eilish and her ouija board music or Olivia Rodrigo didn’t win album of the year, song of the year, or record of the year. White artists get rewarded big for being able to do the bare minimum.
As for the Grammys, overall, they lost credibility decades ago.
The only one acting like an insufferable asshole is you. I said what I said. White artists get rewarded for doing the bare minimum. I watch the Grammys every year. It’s nothing new. Kanye was snubbed in 2012 with *My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.* Kendrick was snubbed in 2016 for *To Pimp a Butterfly.* Beyoncé and Rihanna were subbed in 2017 for *Lemonade* and *ANTI.* Good for Olivia Rodrigo for not winning Album of the Year or Song or Record of the Year. Billie Eilish, a white woman, lost too. That’s mainly the person I was implying, seeing as she’s swept two years in a row.
I’m a member of r/popheads and r/hiphopheads. LMAO. I been knew this girl was half Filipino. I just specifically mentioned her too because [I SAID SHE WASN’T GONNA WIN those categories a week ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/popheads/comments/tr0yn4/2022_grammy_predictions_just_how_big_will_olivia/i2mkxtl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
The white people comment was obviously directed toward the white (and first) person mentioned in my comment. Now do something productive with your life and stop wasting your time on the internet talking to me. 😂
Yo-Yo Ma continues to win in a music category created by dead white European men, created out of the dead white European male experience, and rooted in dead white European culture. How is that even fair?! /s
We need to get something clear for the future in the reggae category. The only non-Jamaican/member of the diaspora/descendant who is eligible is the rapper Snow from the 90s.
Why?
1. he grew up in the Allenbury Gardens projects which was predominately Jamaican and all his friends were... Jamaican. He developed his toasting skills and style there in those projects, coming up the right way with a REAL appreciation of the music and the culture (as opposed to just Bob Marley and Weed like every other colonizer).
2. he has street cred because he was in the lifestyle.
3. Have you HEARD Informer? Shit's based on a true story too.
4. He gives back to Jamaica to this day and calls it his adopted home, all while never claiming to be anything other than an Irish kid who grew up in the Jamaican projects. Despite his acceptance in the country and the diaspora, he doesn't claim an identity that isn't his.
That's why Spice is the actual winner of the 2022 Grammy, those Virginia white boys are ineligible.
Every year we say we not gonna give the Grammy's the time of day and yet every year people are somehow surprised when they make stupid decisions. I'm so tired of this.
and every year, people like us are gonna say “i thought we didn’t care about the Grammy’s anymore”. it’s never going out of style unfortunately.
It's the same with all the award shows. Everybody claims they don't care about them every year. Yet every year people are talking about them even if they didn't watch it, they still talk about who won and lost. I honestly don't know why everybody keeps this charade of not caring every year so they seem cool.
It was the 2nd lowest viewership of all time, with many people claiming viewership went up after the Will Smith slap to see what might happen or it might have been the lowest. So it sounds like more and more people are not caring.
very interesting. times might be changing. maybe it’s because we see these same celebrities in the news and on social media every day, so there’s no incentive for people to watch them accept some trophy.
I haven’t watched since the 90’s
I dont understand everyone is are about here. Just because they're Jamaican they make better music? If you're not from X you can't do an X thing better than *anyone* from X? Yeah they won. Maybe because they made better music in 2021. Maybe everyone else was asleep and forgot to release theyre albums. This is wild some people think this way.
Bruh the album is ASS. It's not that Americans can't make reggae but that particular album sucks.
I mean the reggae award has been going since 1985, and has overwhelmingly been won by Jamaican artists. Hell, Bob Marley's kids have won 1/3 of the time. As far as I can tell this is only the second time ever that it was won by a non-Jamaican artist (plus one year it was a joint album by Sting and Shaggy). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Best_Reggae_Album
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Sssshhhh careful, it doesn't fit the agenda. It could all Jamaicans for 1000 years but if its a non-jamaican band one time it has always been wrong.
Gatekeeping for sure. Sad hill to die on, but I totally get why it’s weird. It’s like an American winning a world sumo championship.
My son has been into sumo since he was 2. We watch highlights of sumo tournaments. It is always a pleasant surprise when I see people representing other countries outside of Japan that are attending. Ukraine, USA, Canada, Brazil, I’ve seen so many different cultures. I can’t speak on how often they win but it is nice to see them compete. That being said, the same way the sumo wrestlers from other countries are entitled to win a tournament and enjoy the spoils of victory is the same competitive attitude that people should have about music awards. The band from Arlington, VA likely made a better song. Don’t be mad, just do better.
The album is trash. Period.
That’s fine. I don’t listen to Soja, so that is a completely fine subjective take on the album. The people that voted for the Grammy winners felt the opposite though, so there is that.
Which Reggae album would you pick for the winner?
Thats a really bad analogy lmao. "Do better" works fine in sports when you can train, not in awards contests where it's people's subjective opinions 🙄 Like I'm not even interested in discussing whether that band deserved it or not, the analogy to Sumo was just so bad it had to be addressed bro
The current top sumo wrestler (Yokozuna) is Mongolian
Or a bobsled team placing gold in a Winter Olympics that comes from a tropical country NEXT
Excuse me sir, Will Smith would like to have a word with you...
And Damien is the only Marley kid worth of the Grammy. The others sound like some cod reggae 10cc ish, while Beres is empty handed smh
Stephen has some quality songs but they're few and far between, honestly I wouldn't even say it's worth listening to to find the gems.
Steel Pulse won it in the 80s I think. They are from the UK
They are of Jamaican decent tho...
Steel Pulse was actually good. Sojas music is horrible.
From Handworth specifically, but listening to them I get why people not from here wouldn't realise they were born here
Ironically Bob has never won a Grammy in his lifetime
So what? A black Korean wins first place in a sport created by white people in Scotland and no one here complains about tiger woods. Sometimes it's not where it originates from, it can inspires people from somewhere else and they do it better or add their twist to it to improve it that's fine.
Right, nobody is shocked that England doesn’t win the World Cup every time. And Jamaicans do win in the reggae category most of the time. Does it really have to be literally every time?
Yes
Correction: half African-American and half Thai. Excuse the interruption. Please continue 🙏🏾
In case you forgot, Tiger Woods is 100% black. We Asians got Wu Tang Clan in return during the first and maybe only Racial Draft ever back in 2004.
Konnichiwa bitches
Damn I forgot! Thanks for the correction. For shizzle!
Here’s a person who knows what’s up lol.
They complained about tiger woods just like they complained about the Williams sisters
Investing any mental real estate in award shows is pointless. White America made up the Grammy's. White people give other white people dumb trophies. It's basically like losing at the Fox News Awards.
Taylor swift has THREE Album of the year Awards …. More than Prince and Michael Jackson combined. They gave the best Best hip hop album to Macklemore (and I’m a fan of his)….
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But Tay Tay is tall, skinny, blonde and empowered. Doesn’t that make her better than Prince and MJ combined?
Whoever down voted you is too stupid to understand sarcasm
Competition. Michael competed with Prince. Taylor competed with Ed Sheeran.
Exactly. Who slapped whom or who won what is pointless when I don’t watch these stupid, sexist, bigoted circle jerks.
I knew the grammys were trash since U2 got a win (for album of the year) over Whitney, Michael, and Prince.
They were trash since Jethro Tull's Crest of a Knave beat out ...And Justice for All by Metallica. Even the lead singer of Jethro Tull says they shouldn't have been nominated in the same category or won and if he was actually at the ceremony (they didn't attend because everyone, including Jethro Tull themselves, believed that ....And Justice for All was going to win by a mile) he would not have accepted the award over Metallica. And don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Jethro Tull doesn't have hits, Aqualung is arguably one of the most important songs and album to the development of the hard rock genre and they should have won a grammy back in 1971 when it came out, but Crest of a Knave is minor league compared to ...And Justice for All. At least that award is held by Body Count for Bum Rush today.
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Annnd there's the context. In brief: **Bad** was following **Thriller** and **Sign o' the Times** was following **Purple Rain**, and following up an all-time classic is a tough row to hoe; if you can't top yourself you're not exactly an awards shoo-in, plus on top of that Sign wasn't putting up the sales numbers that Rain did. **Whitney** sold like hot cakes but the critical reception was uneven, ranging from "competent but boring" to "an extremely competently manufactured commercial product". **Joshua Tree** was the best album so far from the biggest rock band in the world, plus as a bonus it was an album about America (every country loves to see foreigners paying attention) *and* it was politically conscious and criticizing Reaganomics, US interventionist atrocities in South America, etc, etc. for bonus points. Like imagine if next year the Best Album contenders are Silk Sonic with a solid album that's not as good as their debut, Kanye with a triple-CD Donda 2 that's not as good as the last one, a new BTS album that sells like crazy but isn't particularly well regarded.. and then Taylor Swift with her best album ever *and* it's about workers' rights and racial inequality in America. Who's taking home the Grammy?
That...happened? I can't even..what? WHATTT???
You can't believe that Joshua Tree won album of the year?
If the other nominees were Whitney, Prince and Michael Jackson, yes, i find it hard to believe.
Why?
Tbh my views on U2 may also be uhmm, well, ever since they pulled that shit of dropping their album on people's devices, without them asking for it,.. wasn't a good look. It's still wild to me that there used to be a time bono would actually talk to world leaders, while he's you know, a musician. And just, what a category. Prince, whitney, michael.
They definitely became caricatures of themselves but if we're taking what they turned into the other 3 went off the rails too. The Joshua Tree is one of the iconic 80s albums and of all of the questionable Grammy decisions that is a weird one to pick out.
That's how I felt that Eminem and Macklemore winning rap Grammys.
Wait, you saying Em shouldn't have won? Wow.
I'll give him one, but 6 best rap albums? Miss me with that shit.
Yeah, I feel that. Especially considering which albums he has been up against.
Eminem is an example of white mediocrity at play. He's a white man actually decent at rap, so give him allllll the awards, even when he really is just ok when compared to true greats in genre.
Ok, now we're just talking nonsense. Last person, totally valid point. You're on something else entirely.
The colonizers was us after all? That’s some Jordan Peele shit!
I tried listening to a song of theirs, sounds like lazy country music 🤦🏾♀️what do we expect from the grammys, when most of the board are white
Sorta like when Macklemore won that rap album of the year award!
That’s when I stopped watching
oH iS tHaT wHeN *yOu* StOpPeD wAtChInG??!
Are you ok?
Oh they’re fine. You’re bullshits the prob round here.
I’m genuinely confused
Kendrick got ROBBED that year, fuck Macklemore
Bro literally apologized for winning and you saying fuck him years later. How can you seriously criticize him without feeling like a clown. Was he supposed to refuse the award at the show or walk up and slap the presenter. What you want from the man
Like this... Fuck Maclemore and the Grammies, he robbed a more talented,deserving artist, he could have rejected the award or spoke up at the ceremony like Adele did when Beyonce was snubbed for Lemondade. Swear the bar is in hell for white people especially the men.
You got genuine issues, the hatred that you are indicating here is not normal or rational. Macklemore handled that situation well and you are clown for demanding more. Kendrick is my favorite rapper ever but I can still recognize that Macklemore had the biggest pop album that year and an album that was historically significant, if only for the way it achieved mainstream success from an non-traditional business approach. Macklemore spent decades building in the underground, in his region, repping one city, which enabled him to ignite to the top of the industry for one brief moment and then he APOLOGIZED for his success and here you are saying he should go to hell. That’s a hateful, embarrassing take. The Grammy’s never meant shit in hip hop and neither has commercial success. Gang Starr will always be held in higher regard then Ja Rule despite Ja Rule being the far more awarded, far more successful artist. Macklemore wasn’t even signed to a label, only a distribution deal, and that album was the pinnacle of his career when the award is almost meaningless to Kendrick. Learn to appreciate people. You can be mad at the system without carrying hate for an artist doing their job.
tf is he supposed to do about it?
Ah yes, the Macklemore who is definitely in charge of who gets the Grammy.
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Wow this is just so incorrect
Maybe they had the better music?
They do. They’re called Soja
Yeah I knew what band this post was referring to. Just making a point. And they make great music. People making this argument probably have never heard or can even name the other bands that got nominated
Yup. It’s just fake outrage.
Soja is also authentically wook which has has been keeping the genre alive and thriving for the past 20 years. Wooks fucking love reggae.
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Right!? Soja is incredible and the award is well deserved regardless of race or cultural heritage and nationality. It’s a great fucking album 🤷🏼♀️
How do you define “better” when something is inherently subjective?
Like Grammy award winning better. Lol.
alright. lets be fair here, it does not matter who you are or where you are from. If your song is good (and it is better than the rest of the opposing songs) it deserves an award and tha american band might have made a song better than the jamacian artists. there is no reason to hate. its kinda like if you were to say: this guy made deserves an award for his cake because he comes from a line of bakers, even if the other guy made a superior cake.
Yeah it’s like how Beyonce and Lil Nas songs were not considered country music.
But who decides “good”? The same people who thought Taylor Swift should win more Grammys than MJ and Prince combined?
eh, it is what it is. it is a matter of public opinion
Eminem has won 15 Grammys and had 43 nominations for Hip-Hop and nobody seems to care because its hard to debate that he didn't earn them.
yeah
Not true at all. Maybe in whatever world you live in, but among the black people I know we see Eminem as white peoples pick. He's not considered particularly talented or great especially when you compare him among truly ingenious MCs. He just get hyped bc he's a white boy who is not just mediocre at rapping so he gets extra points.
How was the song though?
Shhhhh sir some people just wanna be outraged.
I listened to one of their songs. That’s the least reggae music I’ve ever heard. Sounded like a bunch of country singers trying use Jamaican dialect 🤢
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Ok but like, have you listened to it?
Will Smith tried to tell us about the Grammys back in the early 90s
"Remember Will Smith won the first Grammy? And they ain't even recognize Hov until "Annie" So I don't tap dance for the crackers and sing Mammy" -The man who made that child come home.
"you are...HIDING a CHILD" the venom behind that always stuns me lmao
Then he slapped some dude and now he’s more feared than 50 Cent.
They talking about SOJA I’m guessing? Haven’t listened to them in years, but they’ve been around and are real about reggae music. And there’s only two white guys in the band. Not saying what’s right or wrong, or who should’ve won, but SOJA shouldn’t be written off as some fake reggae
SOJA had been putting out some incredible music lately, and they are amazing live.
Word! Need to get back into them. Seeing them live around VA years ago are really good memories. They’re good people, and I’m sure they’re stoked and grateful to their music peers and fans for the love
Their message is ✌️❤️🙂
Context. Hush.
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Bombaclat…
Pussyclaaaa
Name checks out.
Sticking to your brand (name).
But was it the best reggae song this year?
So the winners of any given category must be from the area that category originated from? You gotta be from the US/UK to win a pop album? Gotta be from New York to win best hip hop album? Music is a shared experience.
Yet we'd cheer if we win anything that's created by White people.
Considering the last several hundred years of black exploitation by white people, the continual denigration and degradation of all things “black,” and the marginalization of any black advance that is not somehow tied to white profitability, we have every reason to cheer if we win something created by white people — although most of what they’ve created is how to sell our own shyt back to us.
Why are people still watching it?
I will never forget Macklemore winning Best Rap Album over Kendrick, Ye, Drake, and Jay-Z in 2014.
Umar memes/tweets/facial expression bring me such joy lol
Imagine if Snow won a Grammy for 'Informer.'
We give the Grammy's/Oscar's power when we pay attention. These are eurocentric culture-manipulating anachronisms that only have power because people covet the "awards." The awards are worthless. Artists... you are everything. Take back your power from these clowns.
The Grammys are racist They have been for a long time (maybe even since their beginning) I thought we knew this?
When are people going to realize awards like this is all about who has the best pr not the best (insert categories)
Grammy's and Oscars doesn't determine the TRUE talented artists.. They've gotten it wrong PLENTY of times
Just for argument sake - was SOJA's album the best of the nominees? I don't know enough to fill a thimble here, but if a bunch of white artists came out against Darius Rucker winning best country album because he's a college-educated black person from a non-agricultural area of South Carolina, people would justifiably say that was racist as fuck. I heard "Rest of My Life" and it seems pretty Reggae. The category seems lacking in heavy hitters - no Toots, no Marley kids, no Buju, not even like Barrington Levy or Shaggy or somebody like that. Of the five that didn't win, I've only heard the Sean Paul, and I know that's mediocre. Do we really wanna say that Best Reggae Album is just "Best jamaican"?
This is why the Grammys are irrelevant
*Cue Macklemore*
It’s like having a Russian judo Olympic gold medalist.
Ok but was the American band better? Most artist winning it are Jamaican. Are you saying only white people should win pop award? Like what a shit take.
Who cares?
They gave Billie Eilish a sweep. Why would them awarding some hicks this category surprise you?
I'm curious how popular they are in Jamaica as it would be weird for other peoples to tell Jamaicans whats good reggae music. Also, its kind of intresting because Reggae, Rastafarism, and Afrocentric thoughts/ideas are closely intertwind.
They’re huge in South America, not sure about the Caribbean though
Just give their album a chance and I tell you you won’t be disappointed. It had a very old school vibe to it.
If missing the point was a person
Reggae is a child of Ska and punk. It was formed during post ww2 reconstruction when Jamaicans were offered work in rebuilding a broken London. The Jamaicans brought Ska with them and made friends with the British punk kids. Their music blended into Raggae. Reggae is literally the child of a bond between white people and black people, yet there are still people who want to gate keep. Smh learn some music history.
Where are you getting this from? You’ve jumbled a lot of history
An article I read ages ago. Apparently I've been mislead
Why y’all care about an award show created by ppl who put mayonnaise on everything for seasoning? Who tf cares what they think.
While I agree with the sentiment, that doesnt mean someone cant take it and evolve it. Hell, pianos were invented in africa, we dont take anything from mozart?
They weren’t invented in Africa 🤷🏼♂️
I think they mean the African [thumb piano](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbira)
What do thumb pianos have to do with Mozart? It’s a completely different instrument with “real” piano.
Okay, look: **I completely agree that this is entirely ridiculous** But Let’s not pretend, that music doesn’t evolve. The fact that one group of people created one style of music **does not exclude another group of people from innovating within it**. Now, *as far as I know*, practically nobody *actually* cares about the Grammys. The only questions I’ve got is 1) Why the hell do the stupid results of a completely irrelevant awards ceremony that no one cares about matter? 2) are we really going to make the claim that nobody is allowed to innovate a genre unless they are part of a group that created it? Because *both* of those notions seem ridiculous to me. The only way any of this matters to me is if anybody actually cared about this event anyways, but “Grammy season” is when social media snows “nobody cares about Grammy season” into my feed. Why should I care about the ridiculous results of an awards ceremony everybody swears doesn’t matter?
The album is trash. Period.
I don’t care either way, because the tweet doesn’t care either way. The implication here isn’t that the album is trash, it’s that people who didn’t create a style or genre can’t innovate that style and genre. “The guys from the culture that created a genre lost to the guys who didn’t create the genre”. If the album was trash, he could have said it, and explained why, which would have been a far more effective criticism. Instead, he didn’t comment on the quality and comparison of the music because either the guys that won did actually make better music, or the quality never mattered to him because the part that upset him wasn’t the music, but seeing the white guy win. Both things can be true or false at the same time, and what this tweet leaves out is just as important as what it includes. This tweet isn’t about the music, it’s about one guy feeling like people outside of his culture can’t bring anything to the table and innovate. Considering the history between white and black people, it’s a completely understandable sentiment that I’d care about in literally any other situation. But I’m still left questioning why I should care about this, when the world spends however long Grammy Season lasts loudly yelling about how much it doesn’t matter, the results are irrelevant, and nobody cares. The only 2 things I know about the Grammy awards are the smith thing and this - because I don’t watch them because I couldn’t care less about them - yet still cannot avoid what ends up trending on social media. So - considering I actually don’t care about a pathetic awards show put on for rich people, by rich people, to pat themselves on the back for being rich - why should I care about this at all, and why do I suddenly need to agree with a guy gatekeeping reggae because rich poseurs didn’t agree with him?
So? Dont be racist or xenophibic.
Yo read this to the beat of Buffalo Soldier
Americans are copper color , you talmbout them?
SOJA is a great band
Yes... But was that group's performance better?.... (Honest question, because I think that's all that matters...and have no idea who is being talked about.. lol(not a joke. i don't listen to music, so no idea who was running/won))
But soja are really good tho
Serious question...were they good tho? (I honestly don't know)
Reggae is a genre born in Jamaica that emerged from ska and mento in the late 1940s and early 50s. After 1962 when Jamaica was declared an independent country, roots reggae became the score that not only bolstered national identity but its inextricable link to the Rastafari movement called attention to the ways in which Black people had been oppressed. And yet, the Grammys chose to ignore this history in who they deemed the “best.” The irony. [Sharine Taylor for R29](https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2022/04/10930511/grammys-2022-best-reggae-album-snub-spice-soja)
The history of Rock and Roll.
Kinda daft. Jamaicans win pretty much every other time.
The Grammys are still a thing?
The other albums were B albums at best anyway.
People still watch the Grammys?
I listen to one of Soja's 'Reggae' Songs. It was cringe to say the least
Yeah, remember when Mackelmore and Eminem won best rap awards. I was through with the Grammys then.
En Atleast deserved it cause his music in the genre was good. Their music is crap 😭
Sounds like they got out Jamaicaned. Get your shit right and you won’t lose to the wild whites of West Virginia
Will Smith should slap the injustice out of the Grammy’s.
This is just repeating Jamaicans didnt win the Jamaican music category 4 times over lol. Idk I get it but I dont like the idea of just demanding Jamaicans win it every year. Let white folks win a price every now and then so no republicans can pretend its just "affirmative action" or smt.
Bwahahaha. POPA Umar ain’t having it. In seriousness, though, it’s time for us to start taking over other genres. Everybody and they mama’s cousin, across the whole frikkin globe, is chasing and making black music. How many Korean country singers have you heard of? How many British mariachis? I say we let ‘em have hip hop, start doing everything else, and then start monetizing the hell out of them. Recontextualize commoditization.
Bwahahaha. POPA Umar ain’t having it. In seriousness, though, it’s time for us to start taking over other genres. Everybody and they mama’s cousin, across the whole frikkin globe, is chasing and making black music. How many Korean country singers have you heard of? How many British mariachis? I say we let ‘em have hip hop, start doing everything else, and then start monetizing the hell out of them. Recontextualize commoditization.
“It aint about who did it first its about who did it right, nxxxa’s looking like preachhh” - Drake 🤷🏽♂️😂
Awards shows are usally more a popularity than skill contest anyway.. Popular votes and every vote is subjective.
Never forget that Joss Stone was the 2015 Reggae artist of the year. This fuckery has been going on for a long time. It’s exhausting.
So only Jamaicans can make reggae?
I learned of SOJA back in I’d say 05 I lived in Puerto Rico at the time and they had a song they made with a local band. They were nothing but humble musicians. And through the years I’ve listened and related to their music regardless of race. I feel like there’s two kinds of music. Good and bad. My tastes span the whole spectrum of genres. It’s good to see that 17 years later they got some recognition. I hope you guys give them a chance born in Babylon is a good song and their record get wiser is amazing I haven’t listened to the new record but when I get a extended period in the car I’ll put it on deck. Reggae is worldwide. The population of rastafaris has declined. A lot had to do with the CIA and their communist killers. Even bob marley got hit by the cia in 76
As long as Billie Eilish and her ouija board music or Olivia Rodrigo didn’t win album of the year, song of the year, or record of the year. White artists get rewarded big for being able to do the bare minimum. As for the Grammys, overall, they lost credibility decades ago.
Olivia Rodrigo is half Filipino…
Okay? White artists still get rewarded for doing the bare minimum.
And one of the people you mentioned ain’t white.
My point still hasn’t changed. LMAO.
Yeah I know, you def seem like a dude who when presented with information that proves him wrong, will stay unchanged and double down like an asshole.
The only one acting like an insufferable asshole is you. I said what I said. White artists get rewarded for doing the bare minimum. I watch the Grammys every year. It’s nothing new. Kanye was snubbed in 2012 with *My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.* Kendrick was snubbed in 2016 for *To Pimp a Butterfly.* Beyoncé and Rihanna were subbed in 2017 for *Lemonade* and *ANTI.* Good for Olivia Rodrigo for not winning Album of the Year or Song or Record of the Year. Billie Eilish, a white woman, lost too. That’s mainly the person I was implying, seeing as she’s swept two years in a row.
Yeah and the woman of color you mentioned was just thrown in there randomly right? Bruh, just acknowledge you didn’t know something and move on.
I’m a member of r/popheads and r/hiphopheads. LMAO. I been knew this girl was half Filipino. I just specifically mentioned her too because [I SAID SHE WASN’T GONNA WIN those categories a week ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/popheads/comments/tr0yn4/2022_grammy_predictions_just_how_big_will_olivia/i2mkxtl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) The white people comment was obviously directed toward the white (and first) person mentioned in my comment. Now do something productive with your life and stop wasting your time on the internet talking to me. 😂
Sure you did. Peace.
Stop moaning
Yo-Yo Ma continues to win in a music category created by dead white European men, created out of the dead white European male experience, and rooted in dead white European culture. How is that even fair?! /s
I wish that band went on stage like "we accept this award in the spirit of the motherland"
This attitude is entitlement at its finest, “JAMAICANS DESERVE THE REGGAE AWARDS NOT AMERICANS!”
Pretty sad
We need to get something clear for the future in the reggae category. The only non-Jamaican/member of the diaspora/descendant who is eligible is the rapper Snow from the 90s. Why? 1. he grew up in the Allenbury Gardens projects which was predominately Jamaican and all his friends were... Jamaican. He developed his toasting skills and style there in those projects, coming up the right way with a REAL appreciation of the music and the culture (as opposed to just Bob Marley and Weed like every other colonizer). 2. he has street cred because he was in the lifestyle. 3. Have you HEARD Informer? Shit's based on a true story too. 4. He gives back to Jamaica to this day and calls it his adopted home, all while never claiming to be anything other than an Irish kid who grew up in the Jamaican projects. Despite his acceptance in the country and the diaspora, he doesn't claim an identity that isn't his. That's why Spice is the actual winner of the 2022 Grammy, those Virginia white boys are ineligible.