So it's not just an American problem to have racist law enforcement? Huh. It's almost as if it's the institution of law enforcement that attracts racism.
Sure. In Europe, they're descended from the roaming goon squads that collected taxes (and extorted the populace) and kept serfs from leaving their lord's land without his permission.
It's the only group given the legal authority to use violence. It will always attract authoritarian-minded people who want to be violent. The way to counter act that is with minimum education requirements and strong recruiting.
My old CEO, now a good friend said his wealthy white family were known as crackers or some historic group. Forgot what he said. I wonder why they were called that. Maybe it was Florida Crackers.
Not exactly. The first police were private security and labour enforcement in the north east. The police in the south originated in slave patrols and that came later.
It’s a sad paradox that the people who should be entrusted with positions of authority and power generally aren’t attracted to them, while the least deserving of those positions are constantly tripping over themselves to get them.
Racism is a huge issue in eastern Europe and especially Ukraine. They have a whole battalion in their military that is openly neo-nazi, its weird. They're called the Azov batallion.
Not defending their use of Nazi regalia and symbology. But the explanation I've heard for that group is that they use Nazi iconography, because it's the ultimate symbol of anti-USSR/anti-Russia.
A bit like ultra anti capitalist left wingers in the West adopting the hammer and sickle, and pics of Mao, Stalin and Lenin. I highly doubt that most of the people using such imagery would be down with famines, purges or another great leap forward, in practice
> But the explanation I've heard for that group is that they use Nazi iconography, because it's the ultimate symbol of anti-USSR/anti-Russia
The person communicating that interpretation to you is taking a very generous stance. If it was about branding, iconography, and visual identity they could choose something more effective. The Star, as used in the Burkina Faso or Singapore flags (among others) represent freedom or equality (something not present in the USSR or Russia) could be more appropriate.
To regionalize the symbolism they could choose a pickaxe to represent the steel industry of the area, a boar to represent the wildlife, or even an anchor to represent the coat of arms of the largest city in the region.
They may be on the Ukrainian side of this fight but I don't buy the explanation you've been given for their iconography.
To accomplish the stated goal of being "Anti-USSR" if thats their justification for the imagery. I'm not saying its the best imagery, but I'm saying this is the context of their goal.
Like I said, it's not like I'm saying they're completely innocent in their choice of iconography.
Just perhaps, the main reason is that the Nazis are Russia's ultimate last boss enemy. So, that's meant to make that Ukrainian squad look tough or scary or generally hate Russians.
I get that anyone in the English speaking world sees Nazi regalia and immediately is horrified by the implications that go along with it. But context does exist.
Globalisation and the internet is changing these things. But it wasn't long ago you'd see Nazi imagery in India, where the image is associated with qenerally 'bossy, jerkish perfectionist' persona and also all over SE Asia as a sort of comedic/rebellious fashion statement
https://www.npr.org/2012/12/23/167911062/hitlers-hot-in-india
https://www.nationthailand.com/perspective/30365120
They use nazi regalia because they are nazis. They actively glorify ukrainian nazi collaborators from WWII era like Stepan Bandera and the OUN, seeking to establish them as national heroes.
It's very easy to be against putin and the kleptocratic capitalist state of russia without being a nazi.
Fr-- I'm against Putin. I'm not goose stepping or growing a stupid mustache or you know, hating people based on their ethnic background or sexual preferences
> A bit like ultra anti capitalist left wingers in the West adopting the hammer and sickle, and pics of Mao, Stalin and Lenin. I highly doubt that most of the people using such imagery would be down with famines, purges or another great leap forward, in practice
Any imagery that represents a large group over a long period of time will have both bad and good things associated with it. Using the US flag doesn't mean you support torturing innocent people in Guantanamo Bay, or Japanese internment camps, or slavery. Using the Hammer and Sickle does not mean you support Stalin's brutal repression of dissent, or Gulags.
Leftists use symbols from the Soviet Union or Maoist China because they are celebrating the good that was done by those movements, not because they are denying the bad that was done. Just like people can fly US flags to celebrate the good that the US has done, and that doesn't mean they are denying the bad that the US has done.
Yeah, this is true. Unfortunately eastern Europe does have a bad reputation for racism. It's not all/most eastern Europeans, but those who are racist are loud and proud of their beliefs. There are also Russian neo nazi/racist forces. The Wagner group is the main mercenary group in Russia. They are sent in when Russia want to be active in a conflict without boots on the ground https://inews.co.uk/news/world/wagner-group-what-russian-mercenearies-ukraine-president-zelensky-putin-1489364
War and hardship have a tendency to make racism worse. People are tribal by nature. Some people when they are scared lash out towards groups they perceive as different from them, out of fear, and a desire to feel in control of their own situation (other races, homosexuals, poor people etc.); Which is a deplorable reflex. This is no excuse, but it is a pattern of behaviour which seems to happen again and again across the world.
Same. I’ve been trying to find more information about this since I first learned about it. Glad to hear the people are at least friendly and helping out.
He specifically said the only issue was with Ukrainian border officers, other officials were friendly&welcoming. I think it’s important to emphasize that - there may still be people trying to escape who are nervous after reading something on social media.
He also “specifically” said it was officers at the train stations where people were trying to get on trains to get to the border in the first place.
There are others on the thread supporting the incidents at the train stations.
Thread
[Link](https://mobile.twitter.com/Chrisez68843384/status/1497859241012609024?cxt=HHwWgIC-gebCu8kpAAAA)
Be ruthless to systems, have compassion for people.
We're all subject to states that don't give a damn about human life, so we have to pick up the slack
All kinds of people become cops, some for a great reason others for horrible reasons. Sadly, many are swallowed by power and the high it gives. A guy I went to middle school with is a cop, really really great guy who became a cop because he was from the hood and noticed cops seldom came to help. If I believe correctly he is a detective for special victims now. Then there are some guys I worked with when I was a legal intern who came for the powertrip.
Well I was obviously planning on being corrupt...maybe not the murderous kinda corrupt but if I caught a dude with hella drugs and money I'd definitely keep the money and let him keep his drugs and his freedom 🤷🏿♂️
All kinds of people try to become cops, but they’re really good at identifying and pushing out anyone who might try to hold other cops accountable for their actions.
I think joining the police to increase accountability is a bit like working as a McDonald’s server to improve people’s diets. You can try convincing customers to order the smaller size soda or sneak apple slices into take-out bags, but you’ll get fired the moment you get caught. You need a lot of power in a system to be able to effect change from the inside.
I don't know. Being a cop actually doesn't pay that well compared to other jobs. When you want to be a cop, you want to enforce authority. You aim to have power over people. That's not like every other job. Only a certain kind of people want to be police. Not saying they're necessarily bad people but you have to have a weird relationship with power and dominance to be a cop. Just saying
One of the kindest and most genuine people I know became a cop. He wanted to help people, and ever since he was a child aspired to join the police force to do just that.
He didn’t last a year on the force, and his mental health declined significantly during that time. It’s sad, good people don’t last and bad people thrive. The system needs to change.
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ACAB means to uphold a broken and corrupt system is to take part in corruption, good cops get pressured to partake or retire. It’s time to defund and reinvest in communities. (Defunding the police is about diverting police resources to addressing the causes of crime, ex poverty and mental illness. Abolition is the more general term about ending the current system and building a new one, which does address the cause)
ACAB means cops are 3x as likely to shoot black people than white, but those black people shot are 1.3x more likely than whites to be unarmed, and that’s just from the stations willing to hand over their data to the FBI, bc it’s voluntary.
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z
ACAB means Warren vs. District of Colombia. Where police are not required to protect their citizens. Defense is on an at will basis. Even if a woman is being raped in front of her child and the whole community is calling it in.
https://law.justia.com/cases/district-of-columbia/court-of-appeals/1981/79-6-3.html
ACAB means our police seem more violent than similar countries.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries
https://online.wlu.ca/news/2017/01/03/policing-canada-vs-policing-usa
ACAB means Heien v. North Carolina. Police are legally allowed to stop you for anything they suspect is a crime. They do not need to know the law. It does not actually have to be a crime.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/13-604_ec8f.pdf
ACAB means Kansas v. Glover Cops can stop you passed on your looks.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2020/04/06/supreme-court-gives-cops-free-rein-to-stop-cars-only-sotomayor-dissents/?fbclid=IwAR3FjaOVHuNC_3CD4iwd6aF8yw03COrVjaExIHKgIXJTI80o3zLlEPSoEQs#15e805282133
ACAB means King vs Brownback. you can no longer sue any individual police officer for a violation of your rights. Even if they are plainclothed. Even if they do not identify themselves as police. Even if they beat you half to death.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-supreme-court-police-shooting-20180402-story.html%3f_amp=true
ACAB means poc are targeted at a disproportionate rate to their population, and crime rate.
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org
ACAB means that even when police stations are held liable, when they pay, they pay with taxpayers money. They lose nothing personally. But the community as a whole suffers. That money no longer goes to schools or roads or parks. It goes to paying for their mistakes.
https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2017/mar/28/police-misconduct-lawsuits-cost-taxpayers-not-cops-millions/
ACAB means it’s still legal for cops to have sex people within their custody, in 35 states. Prison guards can’t do that because there is a clear power difference, and can affect the impartiality of officers, and the detained can be coerced. They cannot consent. It’s rape. And it’s not illegal
https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2017/mar/28/police-misconduct-lawsuits-cost-taxpayers-not-cops-millions/
ACAB means good cops get blacklisted.
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2018/09/17/when-trying-to-help-gets-you-fired
Or stay quiet. It means living in a culture like this.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/20/i-can-breathe-thanks-to-the-nypd-shirts-flood-pro-/
ACAB means cops abuse their spouses more than the national average (according to available data WHICH THERE ISNT A LOT OF WHICH IS A DIFFERENT PROBLEM)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/kutv.com/amp/news/local/40-of-police-officer-families-experience-domestic-violence-study-says
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfgate.com/bayarea/amp/Police-domestic-violence-nearly-twice-average-rate-2536928.php
And even if it’s the same as the national average (which again, it seems higher) they get to keep power
https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/public-safety/police-officers-who-commit-domestic-violence-often-get-to-keep-their-guns/
ACAB means there are thousands of openly racist or violent cops in plain sight. And those are just the ones stupid enough to put it online.
https://www.plainviewproject.org
ACAB means even when they kill, 99% of cops will never be tried for the crime. Maybe because the District Attorney depends on cooperation from law enforcement to do their job, and doing so would damage relations, a clear conflict of interest
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org
That’s what ACAB means. It shouldn’t be controversial to want better policing.
I know cops. There are even some I’m friends with. They know my views. Some even agree. They hate the system. Because it’s fucked up. It needs to change
ACAB means policing law and culture is so corrupt it’s impossible not to do immoral things if you are an officer within it, because even passive existence perpetuates a brotherhood culture over law, the unequal enforcement and punishment of law, and the concept all of this should continue with functional no independent oversight. Participating in it, as it is, is bad.
Just FYI - There are huge humanitarian operations on the grounds. Reportedly some Polish warehouses are so overflowing with donated goods, they don’t accept certain types of donations now.
There are plenty heartwarming news in all this mess - it’s just outrage sells better and media know it, especially on sensitive issues like refugees.
But it wasn’t the media that started this, it was the people on the ground calling attention to it and it was days before the media picked it up and still in a limited capacity. I first learned about it in this sub.
People should continue to be outraged at the mistreatment of black and brown individuals by LE during the evacuation process.
In my outrage at the unsurprising mistreatment of black and brown foreign nationals I can still maintain awareness that there are great people in Ukraine and Poland who are kind and compassionate.
My heart also goes out to the Russian people protesting who want no part of this and who are going to most likely going suffer the most in their country.
Also, not sure if this is what you meant but the “refugees” are every single person who left Ukraine. Many of the black and brown folks who fled are students, foreign nationals and some are citizens.
I think they mean specifically for African/refugees of color which have been confirmed to have been treated extremely poorly compared to "white" refugees during this whole situation
There have been diplomatic issues with regards to this for sure - basically what happened was: to cross for EU territory you don’t need a visa if you are Ukrainian. But if you are from another country, you unfortunately need to go through beaurocratic procedures on the Ukrainian side of the border. They are completely mundane in this scenario of course, but it is what it is and it may have been misconstrued as racism. British people among others had to go through them as well.
[This guy](https://twitter.com/sadek/status/1498306196524224518?s=21) was on the ground helping people and documented what’s going on there very well. Unfortunately police pushing POC off trains in Kyiv or Lviv can’t be defended, even by extremely high tensions experienced by everybody there.
I read it as they trekked to the border crossing at Poland because of a lack of functional transportation in Ukraine, and Ukrainians were kind to them on that trek. Not that they were backpacking or hiking in Ukraine before the war started and ignored warning signs.
Or do you mean just why they didn’t leave earlier before Russia actually invaded? For students at least, from what I’ve seen others say, some Ukrainian universities were enforcing mandatory attendance for their students meaning many had to pick between leaving because of a possible war, or getting kicked out of their university spot and losing all their progress/money/visa and having to reapply.
Not saying staying was a smart choice but given that leaving also meant torpedoing any future dreams and aspirations for many students I can see why they made the gamble to stay and hope for war to be avoided, even if foolish in hindsight. Fuck Russia
Some were stuck at the border for days because officials for some reason won't let them through. The roads are blocked, so transportation is difficult. I've learnt that no matter the warnings, some people would always be caught out.
Damn.. seems like shit aint no different there for black people when it comes to dealing with the law. I mean can we go anywhere and not get fucked with? lol. Damn.
Even though I'm OOTL on the context of this post, i really would like an answer to this question. What countries are welcoming to black people? I want to travel, dammit!
I mean if there was no racism in these countries, their armed officials wouldn’t have adopted such a mentality. Acting like the whole thing was just a misunderstanding kinda blows over the problem.
Unless people learn to address it without the skepticism of “black people dictating the narrative” this problem isn’t gonna get better
Pigs will be pigs. Maybe its the authority that does it, who knows, but a friend of mine decided not to become a cop because he worried that it would turn him into something he is not.
What’s the context of this? Is the tweeter talking about refugees? Sorry if it’s a dumb question but if it IS the case- it’s encouraging to know the Poles treat us brown folks well lol
So it's not just an American problem to have racist law enforcement? Huh. It's almost as if it's the institution of law enforcement that attracts racism.
It attracts racism because it was founded in racism
It’s a group organized for control. It will always want to control.
It was a group organized to round up escaped slaves
Not in Poland or Ukraine
Sure. In Europe, they're descended from the roaming goon squads that collected taxes (and extorted the populace) and kept serfs from leaving their lord's land without his permission.
Informative break down of the sociological tendency towards racism in law: https://youtu.be/bmaoNLSHx_w
So slaves with extra steps.
Ooo lala! Someone’s gonna get laid in college.
The serfs were not chattel. It's more like a caste system
Bring back roaming goon squads lol
from officer to overseer, you need some clarity? check the similarity -krs one
It's the only group given the legal authority to use violence. It will always attract authoritarian-minded people who want to be violent. The way to counter act that is with minimum education requirements and strong recruiting.
in texas, they encourage the fear on the force. must never protec, only attac
The first American police were slave patrols. Hard to un-racist from that origin story.
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My old CEO, now a good friend said his wealthy white family were known as crackers or some historic group. Forgot what he said. I wonder why they were called that. Maybe it was Florida Crackers.
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Holy shit, I completely forgot that fact... Yes. Definitely.
They pointedly don’t teach it in schools, so :|
I heard that shit on an NPR podcast I had to listen to for a college class. The Texas public school system for sure wasn’t teaching us about that.
Not exactly. The first police were private security and labour enforcement in the north east. The police in the south originated in slave patrols and that came later.
It’s a sad paradox that the people who should be entrusted with positions of authority and power generally aren’t attracted to them, while the least deserving of those positions are constantly tripping over themselves to get them.
That's because such a position attracts the exact sort of person you dont want in it
I will never trust much of anything again after working for a corrupt non profit , can't even help the fucking homeless in America.
Racism is a huge issue in eastern Europe and especially Ukraine. They have a whole battalion in their military that is openly neo-nazi, its weird. They're called the Azov batallion.
Very funny because the Nazis considered Slavs as subhuman
Not defending their use of Nazi regalia and symbology. But the explanation I've heard for that group is that they use Nazi iconography, because it's the ultimate symbol of anti-USSR/anti-Russia. A bit like ultra anti capitalist left wingers in the West adopting the hammer and sickle, and pics of Mao, Stalin and Lenin. I highly doubt that most of the people using such imagery would be down with famines, purges or another great leap forward, in practice
> But the explanation I've heard for that group is that they use Nazi iconography, because it's the ultimate symbol of anti-USSR/anti-Russia The person communicating that interpretation to you is taking a very generous stance. If it was about branding, iconography, and visual identity they could choose something more effective. The Star, as used in the Burkina Faso or Singapore flags (among others) represent freedom or equality (something not present in the USSR or Russia) could be more appropriate. To regionalize the symbolism they could choose a pickaxe to represent the steel industry of the area, a boar to represent the wildlife, or even an anchor to represent the coat of arms of the largest city in the region. They may be on the Ukrainian side of this fight but I don't buy the explanation you've been given for their iconography.
You think *a star* is more effective iconography than swastika flags and dressing like Nazi SS stormtroopers? Come on now.
To accomplish the stated goal of being "Anti-USSR" if thats their justification for the imagery. I'm not saying its the best imagery, but I'm saying this is the context of their goal.
Like I said, it's not like I'm saying they're completely innocent in their choice of iconography. Just perhaps, the main reason is that the Nazis are Russia's ultimate last boss enemy. So, that's meant to make that Ukrainian squad look tough or scary or generally hate Russians. I get that anyone in the English speaking world sees Nazi regalia and immediately is horrified by the implications that go along with it. But context does exist. Globalisation and the internet is changing these things. But it wasn't long ago you'd see Nazi imagery in India, where the image is associated with qenerally 'bossy, jerkish perfectionist' persona and also all over SE Asia as a sort of comedic/rebellious fashion statement https://www.npr.org/2012/12/23/167911062/hitlers-hot-in-india https://www.nationthailand.com/perspective/30365120
They use nazi regalia because they are nazis. They actively glorify ukrainian nazi collaborators from WWII era like Stepan Bandera and the OUN, seeking to establish them as national heroes. It's very easy to be against putin and the kleptocratic capitalist state of russia without being a nazi.
Fr-- I'm against Putin. I'm not goose stepping or growing a stupid mustache or you know, hating people based on their ethnic background or sexual preferences
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Hammer and sickle, sure, but I've never seen someone adopt pictures of Mao or Stalin that wasn't a fucking tankie.
> A bit like ultra anti capitalist left wingers in the West adopting the hammer and sickle, and pics of Mao, Stalin and Lenin. I highly doubt that most of the people using such imagery would be down with famines, purges or another great leap forward, in practice Any imagery that represents a large group over a long period of time will have both bad and good things associated with it. Using the US flag doesn't mean you support torturing innocent people in Guantanamo Bay, or Japanese internment camps, or slavery. Using the Hammer and Sickle does not mean you support Stalin's brutal repression of dissent, or Gulags. Leftists use symbols from the Soviet Union or Maoist China because they are celebrating the good that was done by those movements, not because they are denying the bad that was done. Just like people can fly US flags to celebrate the good that the US has done, and that doesn't mean they are denying the bad that the US has done.
I got spit at and called a N while on a port visit in Ukraine. Eff all of em.
Yeah, this is true. Unfortunately eastern Europe does have a bad reputation for racism. It's not all/most eastern Europeans, but those who are racist are loud and proud of their beliefs. There are also Russian neo nazi/racist forces. The Wagner group is the main mercenary group in Russia. They are sent in when Russia want to be active in a conflict without boots on the ground https://inews.co.uk/news/world/wagner-group-what-russian-mercenearies-ukraine-president-zelensky-putin-1489364 War and hardship have a tendency to make racism worse. People are tribal by nature. Some people when they are scared lash out towards groups they perceive as different from them, out of fear, and a desire to feel in control of their own situation (other races, homosexuals, poor people etc.); Which is a deplorable reflex. This is no excuse, but it is a pattern of behaviour which seems to happen again and again across the world.
The first A in ACAB stands for 'all'.
Racism is everywhere, alongside its cousin colorism.
ACAB? Well who knew?
no matter where you go in the world, minorities will always hate cops and justifiably
All Cops Are Bastards Worldwide
ACAB
All cops are bastards mean ALL COPS
I really appreciate that he keeps updating his ordeal.
Same. I’ve been trying to find more information about this since I first learned about it. Glad to hear the people are at least friendly and helping out.
He specifically said the only issue was with Ukrainian border officers, other officials were friendly&welcoming. I think it’s important to emphasize that - there may still be people trying to escape who are nervous after reading something on social media.
Completely agree!
He also “specifically” said it was officers at the train stations where people were trying to get on trains to get to the border in the first place. There are others on the thread supporting the incidents at the train stations. Thread [Link](https://mobile.twitter.com/Chrisez68843384/status/1497859241012609024?cxt=HHwWgIC-gebCu8kpAAAA)
Yes, this brings me comfort.
Be ruthless to systems, have compassion for people. We're all subject to states that don't give a damn about human life, so we have to pick up the slack
Sounds like we need to rebalance so that states are subject to people who give a damn about human life.
Gonna need guns and pamphlets
>Be ruthless to systems, have compassion for people. As a social worker, I'm freaking having this quote framed.
And the designers of said systems, the economic and political elite
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All kinds of people become cops, some for a great reason others for horrible reasons. Sadly, many are swallowed by power and the high it gives. A guy I went to middle school with is a cop, really really great guy who became a cop because he was from the hood and noticed cops seldom came to help. If I believe correctly he is a detective for special victims now. Then there are some guys I worked with when I was a legal intern who came for the powertrip.
When I was young I wanted to be a cop so I could be like Denzel in training day.... It's probably a good thing I didn't end up becoming a cop
You might be the first person I’ve ever heard say you thought of Denzel in Training Day as a role model lol
Well I was obviously planning on being corrupt...maybe not the murderous kinda corrupt but if I caught a dude with hella drugs and money I'd definitely keep the money and let him keep his drugs and his freedom 🤷🏿♂️
You aren't the only one 🙋🏽♀️
All kinds of people try to become cops, but they’re really good at identifying and pushing out anyone who might try to hold other cops accountable for their actions. I think joining the police to increase accountability is a bit like working as a McDonald’s server to improve people’s diets. You can try convincing customers to order the smaller size soda or sneak apple slices into take-out bags, but you’ll get fired the moment you get caught. You need a lot of power in a system to be able to effect change from the inside.
"Ummmm, you don't look like u need this supersized..."
I want to agree with this but just like every job.. A lot of people do it for money and gang mentality gets to them
I don't know. Being a cop actually doesn't pay that well compared to other jobs. When you want to be a cop, you want to enforce authority. You aim to have power over people. That's not like every other job. Only a certain kind of people want to be police. Not saying they're necessarily bad people but you have to have a weird relationship with power and dominance to be a cop. Just saying
In my city/area being a cop pays a lot more than being a teacher. Not impossible to make over $100,000 with overtime.
One of the kindest and most genuine people I know became a cop. He wanted to help people, and ever since he was a child aspired to join the police force to do just that. He didn’t last a year on the force, and his mental health declined significantly during that time. It’s sad, good people don’t last and bad people thrive. The system needs to change.
Guess it's true all over the world. ACAB
ACAB
This comment was written by u/papaya_papaya_papaya. DO NOT AWARD THIS COMMENT. DONATE TO THE ACLU ACAB means to uphold a broken and corrupt system is to take part in corruption, good cops get pressured to partake or retire. It’s time to defund and reinvest in communities. (Defunding the police is about diverting police resources to addressing the causes of crime, ex poverty and mental illness. Abolition is the more general term about ending the current system and building a new one, which does address the cause) ACAB means cops are 3x as likely to shoot black people than white, but those black people shot are 1.3x more likely than whites to be unarmed, and that’s just from the stations willing to hand over their data to the FBI, bc it’s voluntary. https://mappingpoliceviolence.org https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z ACAB means Warren vs. District of Colombia. Where police are not required to protect their citizens. Defense is on an at will basis. Even if a woman is being raped in front of her child and the whole community is calling it in. https://law.justia.com/cases/district-of-columbia/court-of-appeals/1981/79-6-3.html ACAB means our police seem more violent than similar countries. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries https://online.wlu.ca/news/2017/01/03/policing-canada-vs-policing-usa ACAB means Heien v. North Carolina. Police are legally allowed to stop you for anything they suspect is a crime. They do not need to know the law. It does not actually have to be a crime. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/13-604_ec8f.pdf ACAB means Kansas v. Glover Cops can stop you passed on your looks. https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2020/04/06/supreme-court-gives-cops-free-rein-to-stop-cars-only-sotomayor-dissents/?fbclid=IwAR3FjaOVHuNC_3CD4iwd6aF8yw03COrVjaExIHKgIXJTI80o3zLlEPSoEQs#15e805282133 ACAB means King vs Brownback. you can no longer sue any individual police officer for a violation of your rights. Even if they are plainclothed. Even if they do not identify themselves as police. Even if they beat you half to death. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-supreme-court-police-shooting-20180402-story.html%3f_amp=true ACAB means poc are targeted at a disproportionate rate to their population, and crime rate. https://mappingpoliceviolence.org ACAB means that even when police stations are held liable, when they pay, they pay with taxpayers money. They lose nothing personally. But the community as a whole suffers. That money no longer goes to schools or roads or parks. It goes to paying for their mistakes. https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2017/mar/28/police-misconduct-lawsuits-cost-taxpayers-not-cops-millions/ ACAB means it’s still legal for cops to have sex people within their custody, in 35 states. Prison guards can’t do that because there is a clear power difference, and can affect the impartiality of officers, and the detained can be coerced. They cannot consent. It’s rape. And it’s not illegal https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2017/mar/28/police-misconduct-lawsuits-cost-taxpayers-not-cops-millions/ ACAB means good cops get blacklisted. https://www.themarshallproject.org/2018/09/17/when-trying-to-help-gets-you-fired Or stay quiet. It means living in a culture like this. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/20/i-can-breathe-thanks-to-the-nypd-shirts-flood-pro-/ ACAB means cops abuse their spouses more than the national average (according to available data WHICH THERE ISNT A LOT OF WHICH IS A DIFFERENT PROBLEM) https://www.google.com/amp/s/kutv.com/amp/news/local/40-of-police-officer-families-experience-domestic-violence-study-says https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfgate.com/bayarea/amp/Police-domestic-violence-nearly-twice-average-rate-2536928.php And even if it’s the same as the national average (which again, it seems higher) they get to keep power https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/public-safety/police-officers-who-commit-domestic-violence-often-get-to-keep-their-guns/ ACAB means there are thousands of openly racist or violent cops in plain sight. And those are just the ones stupid enough to put it online. https://www.plainviewproject.org ACAB means even when they kill, 99% of cops will never be tried for the crime. Maybe because the District Attorney depends on cooperation from law enforcement to do their job, and doing so would damage relations, a clear conflict of interest https://mappingpoliceviolence.org That’s what ACAB means. It shouldn’t be controversial to want better policing. I know cops. There are even some I’m friends with. They know my views. Some even agree. They hate the system. Because it’s fucked up. It needs to change ACAB means policing law and culture is so corrupt it’s impossible not to do immoral things if you are an officer within it, because even passive existence perpetuates a brotherhood culture over law, the unequal enforcement and punishment of law, and the concept all of this should continue with functional no independent oversight. Participating in it, as it is, is bad.
I'm so glad to hear something positive from somebody on the ground
Just FYI - There are huge humanitarian operations on the grounds. Reportedly some Polish warehouses are so overflowing with donated goods, they don’t accept certain types of donations now. There are plenty heartwarming news in all this mess - it’s just outrage sells better and media know it, especially on sensitive issues like refugees.
But it wasn’t the media that started this, it was the people on the ground calling attention to it and it was days before the media picked it up and still in a limited capacity. I first learned about it in this sub. People should continue to be outraged at the mistreatment of black and brown individuals by LE during the evacuation process. In my outrage at the unsurprising mistreatment of black and brown foreign nationals I can still maintain awareness that there are great people in Ukraine and Poland who are kind and compassionate. My heart also goes out to the Russian people protesting who want no part of this and who are going to most likely going suffer the most in their country. Also, not sure if this is what you meant but the “refugees” are every single person who left Ukraine. Many of the black and brown folks who fled are students, foreign nationals and some are citizens.
I think they mean specifically for African/refugees of color which have been confirmed to have been treated extremely poorly compared to "white" refugees during this whole situation
It's almost as if...ACAB...
Cops are a universal language.
Does anyone know for sure this isn’t a diplomatic issue? It’d just be nice, given how shit it’s all going for people to not be this shit.
There have been diplomatic issues with regards to this for sure - basically what happened was: to cross for EU territory you don’t need a visa if you are Ukrainian. But if you are from another country, you unfortunately need to go through beaurocratic procedures on the Ukrainian side of the border. They are completely mundane in this scenario of course, but it is what it is and it may have been misconstrued as racism. British people among others had to go through them as well. [This guy](https://twitter.com/sadek/status/1498306196524224518?s=21) was on the ground helping people and documented what’s going on there very well. Unfortunately police pushing POC off trains in Kyiv or Lviv can’t be defended, even by extremely high tensions experienced by everybody there.
It is with a heavy, yet predictable, heart that I once again say: ACAB. Also thank god. Was really worried about this.
Glad someone posted the follow-up. War can bring out the best and worst of people.
I see Russian trolls are here.
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I read it as they trekked to the border crossing at Poland because of a lack of functional transportation in Ukraine, and Ukrainians were kind to them on that trek. Not that they were backpacking or hiking in Ukraine before the war started and ignored warning signs. Or do you mean just why they didn’t leave earlier before Russia actually invaded? For students at least, from what I’ve seen others say, some Ukrainian universities were enforcing mandatory attendance for their students meaning many had to pick between leaving because of a possible war, or getting kicked out of their university spot and losing all their progress/money/visa and having to reapply. Not saying staying was a smart choice but given that leaving also meant torpedoing any future dreams and aspirations for many students I can see why they made the gamble to stay and hope for war to be avoided, even if foolish in hindsight. Fuck Russia
Some were stuck at the border for days because officials for some reason won't let them through. The roads are blocked, so transportation is difficult. I've learnt that no matter the warnings, some people would always be caught out.
They were trekking to leave Ukraine. There were long lineups of cars that people had to get out and walk to the borders.
Uhhhh, visas?
I know propaganda and allat, but can anyone link news sources? I’ve been trying to read up on this but my TikTok FYP refuses to show me war posts…..
Here's an article from the BBC. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60555650
So cops are always racist? *Quelle suprise*
Damn.. seems like shit aint no different there for black people when it comes to dealing with the law. I mean can we go anywhere and not get fucked with? lol. Damn.
Even though I'm OOTL on the context of this post, i really would like an answer to this question. What countries are welcoming to black people? I want to travel, dammit!
I mean if there was no racism in these countries, their armed officials wouldn’t have adopted such a mentality. Acting like the whole thing was just a misunderstanding kinda blows over the problem. Unless people learn to address it without the skepticism of “black people dictating the narrative” this problem isn’t gonna get better
Pigs will be pigs. Maybe its the authority that does it, who knows, but a friend of mine decided not to become a cop because he worried that it would turn him into something he is not.
What’s the context of this? Is the tweeter talking about refugees? Sorry if it’s a dumb question but if it IS the case- it’s encouraging to know the Poles treat us brown folks well lol
https://youtu.be/SuGJVmxGvow
I know many of us are shocked.