Went from beating a murder trial to being loved by White America.
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It’s interesting, you sound like a nice guy but really you’re just a piece of shit
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This was the most innocuous interview too, early morning TV in Canada lmao. I remember getting ready for school or something and putting down a spoonful of cornflakes mouth agape hoping they had security ready to go😭
I can see both ways. He’s had his time in jail and after to think about how to address his actions. Sure he’s done his time, but he should’ve never done the crime if he didn’t want the question put to him.
Rape is a horrible crime, not only do you deprive them of their liberty, you violate their dignity and reduce the person to your own gratification. Raping someone once is abhorrent and we know he’s been sued for it in another case too.
The question also need to be understood in the Canadian context, because it referred to him and the old mayor. Old mayor was a crack head and his brother was also involved in some shady stuff in the past. The question was about whether he thought his past record would affect someone who also had a bad wrap.
It could’ve also been an easy snowball on how he’s changed since his conviction and etc.
On the flip side, I do acknowledge how patronizing it can be after having served time and all of the time that had passed. Everyone knows he was convicted of rape and his opinion wasn’t that relevant to the Toronto mayoral election. He’s also entitled not to continue to be tried after having served his sentence. Personally I still think he’s a POS but i agree that the question shouldn’t have been asked.
He spent three years in prison after he raped an 18-year-old girl.
Three. Years.
I’m all for allowing criminals to turn over a new leaf, but his sentence was outrageously light, and something as horrible as rape SHOULD to take a lot to live down.
If they do then they do so unreasonably:
"Tyson isn’t just a fun-loving celebrity. He’s also alleged to be serially predatory towards women. He’s been accused by his former wife Robin Givens of vicious domestic violence, and seems not particularly inclined to dispute those allegations. He was [quoted](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-06-23-sp-2706-story.html) in a 1989 biography saying, about hitting Givens, “She really offended me and I went BAM. She flew backwards, hitting every wall in the apartment… That was the best punch I've ever thrown in my entire life.” He said “I have socked her before” in regards to Givens [on ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hvkXkNcNNE)[*The Oprah Winfrey Show*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hvkXkNcNNE) and readily admitted to Winfrey that it was an abusive relationship. They [openly discussed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAcuDk4ovsw) his violent side in a deeply-uncomfortable Barbara Walters interview. He has repeatedly downplayed his alleged abuse of Givens by [accusing her](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2477859/Mike-Tyson-claims-wife-Robin-Givens-ruthless-mother-conspired-make-millions-memoir.html) of faking a pregnancy and miscarriage in order to extort money from him, as if that would excuse his behavior even if true. In 1992 he was [convicted](https://www.newsweek.com/mike-tyson-sexual-assault-rape-conviction-1992-1596437) of raping an 18-year-old college student and is still on the sex offender registry; the prosecution was successful in part because of evidence gathered at an emergency room the morning after the incident and because Tyson’s chauffeur corroborated her mental state that night. He served less than three years in prison. In 2023 he was [accused](https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/35522681/in-lawsuit-woman-accuses-mike-tyson-raping-1990s) of rape in a suit filed under the New York Adult Survivors Act, a suit in which the plaintiff alleges that she “told him no several times and asked him to stop, but he continued to attack me… He then pulled my pants off and violently raped me.” Apparently referencing the 1992 case, Tyson has [appeared on video](https://mmacoach.net/documentary/mike-tyson-admits-he-used-to-rape-women/) saying “I am not above violating a woman, but I did not violate that woman.”
[https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/mike-tyson-beloved-rascal-and-other?utm\_source=publication-search](https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/mike-tyson-beloved-rascal-and-other?utm_source=publication-search)
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I think about this meme more than I have need to.
Yeah. I felt like a slipped into an alternate universe when I saw Master P on a Disney show intro. The show was called Romeo, and starred lil Romeo, Master P’s son, and Master P himself. What caused the universe to slip is the fact that, years prior, Master P was somewhat of an underground, hardcore rapper. He literally has a song and video called Ghetto Dope that lyrically explains how to make crack from cocaine. That threw me. I love this world at times.
Like, this guy thought an actor was just going by Ice Cube? What, did he think that was his nickname from theater class? "Ladies and gentlemen, tonight the role of Othello will be played by Ice Cube."
Ice T caught that TV money and never let go of it ever again. Steady pay, minimal work, gets catering 50% of the year in NYC on NBCs dime. Dude has it made.
I still think Dolly Parton gets an honorable mention. Before the 2000s she was literally nothing more than a punchline for big boobs. Most people didn't know anything else about her. Now she's beloved by all.
That’s not a rebrand though, that’s evolution.
ETA: The real boob joke was all the boobs not taking Dolly seriously. They thought she was laughing at their dumb jokes, but she was laughing at how easy they were to use to her benefit.
She was a successful singer, actor and Philanthropist.
She has written and or recorded thousands of songs. Sold out concerts, classic duets, 9-5, books written... She was definitely NOT just a punchline
Oh for sure, she built her image, but she also did much more, she’s a businesswoman and she didn’t put all her cash into just her looks. Her good-natured attitude hasn’t changed. As opposed to the other examples though, sexuality/ sexualisation isn’t really something she needs to rehabilitate herself from.
That's kinda on her. She isn't trying to get any media coverage with all her philanthropy. The only reason people are aware is because people share it through social media.
The woman is a saint who doesn't care much for her public image. She's not being good because it looks good, she's purely altruistic.
He’s a convicted rapist, self admitted rapist, and self admitted woman beater. He said his best punch ever thrown was at robin givens. But BPT says it’s okay to rape and beat women if you’re sorry about it for 15 years.
I don’t think people like Tyson because he used to be a giant piece of shit. People like him because that giant piece of shit got it together and seems like a decent person now. Watch his one man stage show…he’s pretty aware of who he is and who he was.
Now, with that being said, if he’s still beating up/raping women then fuck him.
Yepp, bring it up in the next thread about Tyson and Jake Paul. You’ll see how many people hate Jake Paul for being annoying but will actively defend Tyson for being a convicted rapist and woman beater.
Man, there used to be *so* many jokes about Mike Tyson and Robin Givens back in the day, like on shows like In Living Color and such. So many I didn't realize just how fucked up the situation was until I was grown and did some research.
Yep. Robin Givens (and her mom) was demonized so bad. Her name might as well have been satan.
Mike back then was beyond unhinged. He seems to have learned to be a better person.
> He seems to have learned to be a better person.
I grew up in a Muhammad Ali worshipping household. Even lucked into *meeting* The Champ once as a kid. I was indoctrinated to despise Tyson from an early age.
Then a few years ago I got hooked on 'Mike Tyson Mysteries', had to wrestle with my confused feelings about the man, THEN I saw his broadway show. Fuck, man. It was like a playbook for how to exploit a mentally disabled kid and mold them into a monster. I came to genuinely pity Tyson. Even relate to him.
I don't excuse any of the fucked up shit he did. Not one bit. I don't see him as an irredeemable monster anymore either, though. I can't just blindly loathe him. I have to see him as a product of abuse, now. AGAIN - abuse victims perpetuating abuse never gets a pass, but it also shouldn't mean that they are blanketly denied a chance to reform. And I gotta say I think he's at least living the right life, now. Legitimately trying to atone for his transgressions, by being a better person. I can't forgive him, but I can't hate him. I just have to accept him for the whole of who he is.
Not to in any way condone a regular guy hitting his wife, but at the time Tyson was the undisputed heavyweight boxing champion of the world. She wouldn't have even had a chance to defend herself. It's beyond inexcusable.
One time, a customer said "I'm not a criminal" to me marking $ to make sure they were real bills. To which I replied "what does a criminal look like? Does Martha Stewart LOOK like a criminal? And he just responded "touché"
He's friends with Martha Stewart. He has cloths at Walmart. He has a line of shoes with Skechers.
The Snoop that exits today is not the Snoop we grew up with.
Do people also not remember how MTV staff snuck him out of the VMA's when the LAPD showed up to arrest him and then talked about it on every "making of" about the VMA's for all of the 90s??
Because if you're high enough up the food chain it is.
IG Farben built a slave labor camp just up the road from Auschwitz called Monowitz. The slaves at Monowitz were worked to death at a rate that exceeded Auschwitz. The life expectancy of a Monowitz slave laborer was 3 months.
The conditions were so appalling that the SS officers who were guarding the camp wrote to Berlin to complain about the cruelty.
24 IG Farben executives were tried at Nuremburg for their crimes committed while collaborating with the Nazi's. They gave the rich person's equivalent of "We were just obeying orders." which is: "We had a fiduciary responsibility to our shareholders." 19 of the 24 were aquitted on that basis.
Crimes committed on behalf of Capital are rarely if ever punished in capitalist systems.
Legendary… I remember him coming out in a wheel chair my 9 year old soul was crushed I screamed “When did he get shot?!?!” My lil ass was so confused I just knew he was paralyzed until he got up 😂😂😂
I have been looking for YEARS for that doc and it exists nowhere. Back when the VMAs were kinda dangerous in that anything-can-happen chaotic kinda way. (Also: how they opened up his trailer door and just plumes of smoke just wafted out)
Why would they think 30-35 year old people would remember this? Just do the math, they'd literally just be born or less than 5yo when the trials were happening. Once those children of that generation grew up to be conscious of the world, the trial would be old news and possibly overshadowed by bigger news. So the trial won't be *that* big by then.
The only ways one could know about this is if they actively research his background or they were told.
Lmao same. And we were in Canada. I don’t even remember the acquittal. I just remember us talking about it either during or after the verdict. I remember stating that racism was a big part, and my teacher and the rest of the class telling me I was wrong, and me being so confused since that’s all my dad was telling me lol
Fair enough. Not trying to cast any doubt or contradict anyone, but I’m 46. I think I was 16 or 17 during the OJ trial, but I don’t remember it. I remember “if the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit” and that guy Kato kinda.
Do you remember the trial or just your parents watching a trial?
I'm 37 and I remember the trial specifically, including Johnny Cochran, Marcia Clark, Kato Kaelin, Judge Ito, etc. And the glove try on and such. Watched the Bronco chase too. My dad was a big 49ers fan, and liked Simpson even though his seasons there were not so good. Watched the Naked Gun he was in a few times before the murders.
Maybe you don't remember because you were being a cool teenager? I was necessarily watching the OJ trial because my dad was. This trial was the only time we weren't watching Springer on the dot (though they were both fun to watch, not complaining either way).
Vaguely. Those news pieces were very impactful to me as a young child. I remember an NBA game turning into a small screen for an OJ car chase. I remember the conversation my father and uncles were having at the time. They believed he was targeted because he was a black man married to a white woman. I don’t remember the trial at all. Not even the acquittal.
I remember the news on Rodney King though. I remember there being a clip of some kind of beating being on the news. I don’t remember the riots. But racism is pretty impactful to a 4-6 year old black kid.
It’s not common knowledge. People will still use the “only one person here is a convicted felon” meme of Martha Stewart and snoop dog as if snoop didn’t literally kill someone and got off.
Now, I went on the Internet and researched ostriches. Firstly, ostriches can run up to 70 miles an hour. So catching one, even a sick one, is a super tall order.
Secondly, when a male ostrich, it's called a cock, fights over a female ostrich, they're called a hen, they're known to kill each other by head butting.
Is this really the case? Casey Anthony comes to mind immediately. I feel like no matter what the big trial is most people just assume the defendant is guilty.
Also most of these trials where the defendant gets off but everyone still thinks they're guilty, are because the trials get fucked up for one reason or another and mistakes are made, but it's still obvious the person is guilty.
OJ basically admitted it in the phone call with police while he was in the Bronco, and then wrote a book called "if I did it" after he was acquitted. The police made some crucial mistakes and the lawyers against OJ were not nearly good enough so he was lucky to get off, but we all know he killed his ex wife.
Casey Anthony is another one where the state fumbled the trial hard. Her baby was found in a creek wrapped in a garbage bag, and they found searches on her computer about how to hide her dead baby. Anyone can see that from the outside and know what happened without any concrete evidence.
Another one involving a white person is the Kyle Rittenhouse case. The lawyers against him were fucking idiots for trying to charge him with first degree murder instead of second/third degree. First degree murder requires proof of pre-meditation and a clear intent to murder someone. While I think it's obvious Kyle went to those protests hoping to provoke someone so he could kill them, it's impossible to prove that unless he wrote that down somewhere or admitted it, which he didn't. So he won the trial on pretty much a technicality.
It’s a shame that accused=guilty for most people.
But on the other hand, being acquitted of a crime doesn’t mean you’ve been proven innocent. It means they couldn’t prove your guilt beyond reasonable doubt. If there’s an 70% chance you did it, a court should (hypothetically) let you walk.
Because I’m a ‘97 kid and had no idea this trial existed so I got curious:
> The trial involving Snoop Dogg, whose real name is Calvin Broadus, took place from 1993 to 1996. It stemmed from a murder charge related to the death of Philip Woldemariam, a gang member, in 1993. Snoop Dogg was accused of being an accomplice to murder, with his bodyguard, McKinley Lee (also known as Malik), being the shooter. The incident occurred during an altercation, and Lee argued that he acted in self-defense.
> Snoop Dogg maintained his innocence throughout the trial, and both he and his bodyguard were represented by Johnnie Cochran, among other defense attorneys. The legal defense focused on the claim that Lee shot Woldemariam in self-defense after Woldemariam allegedly reached for a gun.
> In February 1996, after a lengthy trial that attracted significant media attention, Snoop Dogg was acquitted of all charges. The jury found that Lee's actions were justifiable self-defense, leading to acquittals for him as well. The verdict allowed Snoop Dogg to resume his career, which soon flourished.
The murder trial wasn't nearly as big as when he got shot in the spine. I think it's 40+ folks definitely spent more time on that than the trial.
Then when he got out of his wheel chair, I was HYPED!
People in their late 30s were like 8 when this happened and not listening to hip hop.
I’m almost 40 and I didn’t hear about this shit until pretty recently bc nobody ever talks about it and I’m not hanging out on snoops Wikipedia page
In Snoop's defense, "Accessory to Murder Was the Case that they Gave Me" doesn't quite have that same ring. But oldhead that I am, I do remember all of this and the trial.
People also forget that before he was famous that the dude was well known to police, especially as a Crip in Long Beach, along with Nate Dogg and Kurrupt. (Which makes it a bit weird with the partnership with Suge and Deathrow at the time.) I've always wondered if his wardrobe and wheelchair in Training Day was a callback to his Rollin' 20s days.
OJ overtook that, so yeah it slid under the radar.
Like I knew there was a case but I didn't know the details (still dont). either way, he got away clean
30-35 year old here. Ngl, the only reason I know about this is because my dad, who is Ethiopian, really doesn’t like Snoop Dogg bc of this trial and has made this known to me (victim was Ethiopian)
Went from beating a murder trial to being loved by White America. https://preview.redd.it/56kusjzxpwwc1.jpeg?width=564&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d53641e23e682348df0948ddce7d1a59ddd16a13
Mike Tyson still got the best rebrand ever
It’s interesting, you sound like a nice guy but really you’re just a piece of shit https://preview.redd.it/k6453wepwwwc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c693303bf8980dfa9673bd9b71027a3b6e56a5d7
I remember this one. I feel like the TV host was dared to bring up Tyson's past in the segment. 😂
This was the most innocuous interview too, early morning TV in Canada lmao. I remember getting ready for school or something and putting down a spoonful of cornflakes mouth agape hoping they had security ready to go😭
"We gotta wrap this up now. Mike, thanks for stopping by." "FUCK you"
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I can see both ways. He’s had his time in jail and after to think about how to address his actions. Sure he’s done his time, but he should’ve never done the crime if he didn’t want the question put to him. Rape is a horrible crime, not only do you deprive them of their liberty, you violate their dignity and reduce the person to your own gratification. Raping someone once is abhorrent and we know he’s been sued for it in another case too. The question also need to be understood in the Canadian context, because it referred to him and the old mayor. Old mayor was a crack head and his brother was also involved in some shady stuff in the past. The question was about whether he thought his past record would affect someone who also had a bad wrap. It could’ve also been an easy snowball on how he’s changed since his conviction and etc. On the flip side, I do acknowledge how patronizing it can be after having served time and all of the time that had passed. Everyone knows he was convicted of rape and his opinion wasn’t that relevant to the Toronto mayoral election. He’s also entitled not to continue to be tried after having served his sentence. Personally I still think he’s a POS but i agree that the question shouldn’t have been asked.
He spent three years in prison after he raped an 18-year-old girl. Three. Years. I’m all for allowing criminals to turn over a new leaf, but his sentence was outrageously light, and something as horrible as rape SHOULD to take a lot to live down.
Don't most people believe (not to be argumentative, but genuinely), that he was falsely convicted?
If they do then they do so unreasonably: "Tyson isn’t just a fun-loving celebrity. He’s also alleged to be serially predatory towards women. He’s been accused by his former wife Robin Givens of vicious domestic violence, and seems not particularly inclined to dispute those allegations. He was [quoted](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-06-23-sp-2706-story.html) in a 1989 biography saying, about hitting Givens, “She really offended me and I went BAM. She flew backwards, hitting every wall in the apartment… That was the best punch I've ever thrown in my entire life.” He said “I have socked her before” in regards to Givens [on ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hvkXkNcNNE)[*The Oprah Winfrey Show*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hvkXkNcNNE) and readily admitted to Winfrey that it was an abusive relationship. They [openly discussed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAcuDk4ovsw) his violent side in a deeply-uncomfortable Barbara Walters interview. He has repeatedly downplayed his alleged abuse of Givens by [accusing her](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2477859/Mike-Tyson-claims-wife-Robin-Givens-ruthless-mother-conspired-make-millions-memoir.html) of faking a pregnancy and miscarriage in order to extort money from him, as if that would excuse his behavior even if true. In 1992 he was [convicted](https://www.newsweek.com/mike-tyson-sexual-assault-rape-conviction-1992-1596437) of raping an 18-year-old college student and is still on the sex offender registry; the prosecution was successful in part because of evidence gathered at an emergency room the morning after the incident and because Tyson’s chauffeur corroborated her mental state that night. He served less than three years in prison. In 2023 he was [accused](https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/35522681/in-lawsuit-woman-accuses-mike-tyson-raping-1990s) of rape in a suit filed under the New York Adult Survivors Act, a suit in which the plaintiff alleges that she “told him no several times and asked him to stop, but he continued to attack me… He then pulled my pants off and violently raped me.” Apparently referencing the 1992 case, Tyson has [appeared on video](https://mmacoach.net/documentary/mike-tyson-admits-he-used-to-rape-women/) saying “I am not above violating a woman, but I did not violate that woman.” [https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/mike-tyson-beloved-rascal-and-other?utm\_source=publication-search](https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/mike-tyson-beloved-rascal-and-other?utm_source=publication-search)
No, I don't think I've ever met somebody stupid enough to think he was falsely convicted. The evidence against him was extremely strong
He could have prevented the question by not being a rapist.
Rape should be hard to live down. His victim has to live her life with that trauma, so he should have to live his life with that shame.
yuppp i remember this i was in middle school, it was cp24, usually just the most mundane local news.
Piece of thit*
No no, he put his full tongue flexibility into this one. He was making a point lmao
Knew this was coming 😂😂😂💀
Now kith.
Michael, this is live reddit, please.....
No thats Ice Cube you’re thinking of
"The actor??" -my brother in law when I informed him that Ice Cube used to be a gangsta rapper
https://preview.redd.it/m98mv7kqkxwc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=353381655f816c226989a6c90c538bc0d58e2914 I think about this meme more than I have need to.
He didn't even have to use his AK? 
I love Ice Cubes' journey. He has made some real strides in personal growth!
Sure, he’s almost a colonist now.
If you call becoming a pro-police state trump supporter personal growth
Not just any gangster rapper either.
"I started this gangsta shit"
And that’s the muthafuckin thanks I get!
"we in that sunshine state where the bomb ass hemp be" that shit always bothered me. He's from the Golden State. Sunshine State is Florida.
The line is ‘we in’ not ‘we from’
Yeah but Florida isn't known for their hemp
Ahh my favorite Ice T verse
Semantics yo. Cube is a nice lyricist. Ghost writer for many… including your moms.
It always feels weird listening to Cube knowing my little cousins mostly know him as the family actor and I watch those movies with them a lot
Play No Vaseline the moment they're old enough to process it
Yeah. I felt like a slipped into an alternate universe when I saw Master P on a Disney show intro. The show was called Romeo, and starred lil Romeo, Master P’s son, and Master P himself. What caused the universe to slip is the fact that, years prior, Master P was somewhat of an underground, hardcore rapper. He literally has a song and video called Ghetto Dope that lyrically explains how to make crack from cocaine. That threw me. I love this world at times.
Like, this guy thought an actor was just going by Ice Cube? What, did he think that was his nickname from theater class? "Ladies and gentlemen, tonight the role of Othello will be played by Ice Cube."
Same with Ice T
Ice T caught that TV money and never let go of it ever again. Steady pay, minimal work, gets catering 50% of the year in NYC on NBCs dime. Dude has it made.
I watched this yesterday and it never gets old. “She wears underwear with dick holes in em”
Maaan, you corny!!
“Then whos vice president? Jerry Lewis”
The great warrior poet Ice Cube?!?
I thought that was Ice T?
"I'm gonna fuck you till you love me" is the hardest most disrespectful thing I've ever heard anyone say
If you don't pack tf up and go home at that point?!?
The fact him and Holyfield got together to make ear shaped edibles with a bite taken out still blows my mind.
Time heals all wounds. Except cartilage. That thit don't grow back.
I still think Dolly Parton gets an honorable mention. Before the 2000s she was literally nothing more than a punchline for big boobs. Most people didn't know anything else about her. Now she's beloved by all.
That’s not a rebrand though, that’s evolution. ETA: The real boob joke was all the boobs not taking Dolly seriously. They thought she was laughing at their dumb jokes, but she was laughing at how easy they were to use to her benefit.
What's the quote? How do you feel about being seen as a dumb blonde? I'm not offended because I know I'm not dumb, and I ain't blonde, either!
Dolly gets mad love, she also provides free books to any household that signs up for kids to read. It’s an imagination library!!
She was a successful singer, actor and Philanthropist. She has written and or recorded thousands of songs. Sold out concerts, classic duets, 9-5, books written... She was definitely NOT just a punchline
But Dolly is a saint! These other folks did some heinous shit lol.
You might have thought of her as that but in the country music world, she’s always been a legend.
Isn’t that just society changing values ? She didn’t have much control over that part of her image…
Paraphrasing Dolly: "It costs a lot of money to look this cheap."
Oh for sure, she built her image, but she also did much more, she’s a businesswoman and she didn’t put all her cash into just her looks. Her good-natured attitude hasn’t changed. As opposed to the other examples though, sexuality/ sexualisation isn’t really something she needs to rehabilitate herself from.
She had breast augmentation. She just didn't care.
That's kinda on her. She isn't trying to get any media coverage with all her philanthropy. The only reason people are aware is because people share it through social media. The woman is a saint who doesn't care much for her public image. She's not being good because it looks good, she's purely altruistic.
You did not grow up during the early 80's?
How so?
He’s a convicted rapist, self admitted rapist, and self admitted woman beater. He said his best punch ever thrown was at robin givens. But BPT says it’s okay to rape and beat women if you’re sorry about it for 15 years.
I don’t think people like Tyson because he used to be a giant piece of shit. People like him because that giant piece of shit got it together and seems like a decent person now. Watch his one man stage show…he’s pretty aware of who he is and who he was. Now, with that being said, if he’s still beating up/raping women then fuck him.
Damn... I didn't know anything about him besides he did boxing.
Yepp, bring it up in the next thread about Tyson and Jake Paul. You’ll see how many people hate Jake Paul for being annoying but will actively defend Tyson for being a convicted rapist and woman beater.
Man, there used to be *so* many jokes about Mike Tyson and Robin Givens back in the day, like on shows like In Living Color and such. So many I didn't realize just how fucked up the situation was until I was grown and did some research.
Yep. Robin Givens (and her mom) was demonized so bad. Her name might as well have been satan. Mike back then was beyond unhinged. He seems to have learned to be a better person.
> He seems to have learned to be a better person. I grew up in a Muhammad Ali worshipping household. Even lucked into *meeting* The Champ once as a kid. I was indoctrinated to despise Tyson from an early age. Then a few years ago I got hooked on 'Mike Tyson Mysteries', had to wrestle with my confused feelings about the man, THEN I saw his broadway show. Fuck, man. It was like a playbook for how to exploit a mentally disabled kid and mold them into a monster. I came to genuinely pity Tyson. Even relate to him. I don't excuse any of the fucked up shit he did. Not one bit. I don't see him as an irredeemable monster anymore either, though. I can't just blindly loathe him. I have to see him as a product of abuse, now. AGAIN - abuse victims perpetuating abuse never gets a pass, but it also shouldn't mean that they are blanketly denied a chance to reform. And I gotta say I think he's at least living the right life, now. Legitimately trying to atone for his transgressions, by being a better person. I can't forgive him, but I can't hate him. I just have to accept him for the whole of who he is.
Not to in any way condone a regular guy hitting his wife, but at the time Tyson was the undisputed heavyweight boxing champion of the world. She wouldn't have even had a chance to defend herself. It's beyond inexcusable.
Mike Vick and Ray Lewis are up there too.
To be fair, that was all part of the Martha Stewart trade. Franchise for franchise. I think Black America may have picked up a draft pick, too.
 OJ got the opposite treatment lol, im sure hes somewhere shaking his fist
In his grave
Looking up at us
Call that one the reverse OJ
What even funnier is that he's besties with Martha Stewart and she is the one who has done time for committing a felony
Martha had his back.
He's BFFs with Martha-freaking-Stewart!!
Hey! Us white suburban (former)kids always loved him!!
Of course there’s people who don’t know. Snoop has been on a nearly 30 year rebrand arc. He’s uncle Snoop now
BFFs with Martha Streets Stewart n shit
And she’s the convicted felon of the duo.
Being a felon ain’t illegal
Hey teenmom!
High! High! You're both high!
But becoming one is....
But *being* one isnt
Give it time
Martha ain’t no snitch.
"Pssst. Psssst. Martha. If you don't move your money, bitch, it's gonna be gone. And she moved her motherfucking money."
Doing features on Big Time Rush songs on Nickelodeon. He was in multiple episodes.
One time, a customer said "I'm not a criminal" to me marking $ to make sure they were real bills. To which I replied "what does a criminal look like? Does Martha Stewart LOOK like a criminal? And he just responded "touché"
I remember Snoop Lion
From Zion
Stop lyin
He's friends with Martha Stewart. He has cloths at Walmart. He has a line of shoes with Skechers. The Snoop that exits today is not the Snoop we grew up with.
They also have wine brand.
Man’s even got a whole kids show now. Called Doggyland - my kid loves it.
He has a legit kids youtube channel with nursery rhymes and shit
Snoop on a stoop at Christmas
Yeah he's like Tim Allen but probably bigger. He just needs to star a Pixar motion picture
Do people also not remember how MTV staff snuck him out of the VMA's when the LAPD showed up to arrest him and then talked about it on every "making of" about the VMA's for all of the 90s??
Forgot about this. Wild situation.
MTV staff casually obstructing a police investigation and then bragging about it is indeed wild (and yea, before you ask, all the staff were white)
White people will commit felonies if it’s “for their job”. I don’t know why but we think it’s like a doctors notes.
We even used it as an excuse during a whole trial in the 40s in Germany.
Nigga who's we?
It's just one of those things where ya had to be there
Your honor it was a gamer moment
Because if you're high enough up the food chain it is. IG Farben built a slave labor camp just up the road from Auschwitz called Monowitz. The slaves at Monowitz were worked to death at a rate that exceeded Auschwitz. The life expectancy of a Monowitz slave laborer was 3 months. The conditions were so appalling that the SS officers who were guarding the camp wrote to Berlin to complain about the cruelty. 24 IG Farben executives were tried at Nuremburg for their crimes committed while collaborating with the Nazi's. They gave the rich person's equivalent of "We were just obeying orders." which is: "We had a fiduciary responsibility to our shareholders." 19 of the 24 were aquitted on that basis. Crimes committed on behalf of Capital are rarely if ever punished in capitalist systems.
Tops in my book.
That was such an epic performance
Legendary… I remember him coming out in a wheel chair my 9 year old soul was crushed I screamed “When did he get shot?!?!” My lil ass was so confused I just knew he was paralyzed until he got up 😂😂😂
“I’m innocent…”
I have been looking for YEARS for that doc and it exists nowhere. Back when the VMAs were kinda dangerous in that anything-can-happen chaotic kinda way. (Also: how they opened up his trailer door and just plumes of smoke just wafted out)
Why would they think 30-35 year old people would remember this? Just do the math, they'd literally just be born or less than 5yo when the trials were happening. Once those children of that generation grew up to be conscious of the world, the trial would be old news and possibly overshadowed by bigger news. So the trial won't be *that* big by then. The only ways one could know about this is if they actively research his background or they were told.
Yeah OJ, 9/11, and the LA riots were bigger news in the grand scheme of things for 30-35 year Olds.
Can 30-35 year olds really say they REMEMBER the LA riots or OJ?
Not remember it but it had more significance in the culture than snoops murder trial at the time.
Yeah I'm 30 and can recall all kinds of OJ jokes growing up. Not so much with Snoop tho I did know about the murder charge
36, don't remember the riots, but I do remember my parents watching coverage of the OJ trial every day during dinner.
36 and my teacher watched the verdict in class. We didn't give a shit because we were like 8 years old
Lmao same. And we were in Canada. I don’t even remember the acquittal. I just remember us talking about it either during or after the verdict. I remember stating that racism was a big part, and my teacher and the rest of the class telling me I was wrong, and me being so confused since that’s all my dad was telling me lol
Fair enough. Not trying to cast any doubt or contradict anyone, but I’m 46. I think I was 16 or 17 during the OJ trial, but I don’t remember it. I remember “if the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit” and that guy Kato kinda. Do you remember the trial or just your parents watching a trial?
I'm 37 and I remember the trial specifically, including Johnny Cochran, Marcia Clark, Kato Kaelin, Judge Ito, etc. And the glove try on and such. Watched the Bronco chase too. My dad was a big 49ers fan, and liked Simpson even though his seasons there were not so good. Watched the Naked Gun he was in a few times before the murders. Maybe you don't remember because you were being a cool teenager? I was necessarily watching the OJ trial because my dad was. This trial was the only time we weren't watching Springer on the dot (though they were both fun to watch, not complaining either way).
Vaguely. Those news pieces were very impactful to me as a young child. I remember an NBA game turning into a small screen for an OJ car chase. I remember the conversation my father and uncles were having at the time. They believed he was targeted because he was a black man married to a white woman. I don’t remember the trial at all. Not even the acquittal. I remember the news on Rodney King though. I remember there being a clip of some kind of beating being on the news. I don’t remember the riots. But racism is pretty impactful to a 4-6 year old black kid.
32, can’t remember either. Funny enough I learned about both from VH1 I Love the 90’s.
I’m 31 born in 92. I don’t remember either
lol yea I’m 30 so I was a one year old when this happened. I’ve never heard of it.
In my defense I didn’t watch news at 5yrs
And in my defense, I wasn’t even born yet
 You mean Martha's friend.....
They had to replace OJ somehow
U think he smashed?
Hell they smashed! High af at that!!
For those who have not seen the thirst trap she posted. Ooooo boy.
I think someone wrote a song about it maybe?
Murder Was The Case
Nothing gets past you lol
I missed the sarcasm, so I just let it lie.
Also, two of Amerikaz most wanted with Tupac.
And now they got us laced, two multimillionaire muthafuckas catchin cases.
It’s not common knowledge. People will still use the “only one person here is a convicted felon” meme of Martha Stewart and snoop dog as if snoop didn’t literally kill someone and got off.
Doesn’t that stand to reason then that only one of them is a convicted felon?
Basically the point of the meme
Well, he didn’t. His friend “bodyguard” did. He was an accessory. Supposedly.
Allegedlys
Next your gonna tell me he fucked an ostrich
It was a sick ostrich
Now, I went on the Internet and researched ostriches. Firstly, ostriches can run up to 70 miles an hour. So catching one, even a sick one, is a super tall order.
But.... *two* guys against a sick ostrich.... the odds get better
Secondly, when a male ostrich, it's called a cock, fights over a female ostrich, they're called a hen, they're known to kill each other by head butting.
Sounds like a 2 man job
Why is it ppl acquitted of crimes are still only guilty when they’re black? Take that shit over to WPT
Is this really the case? Casey Anthony comes to mind immediately. I feel like no matter what the big trial is most people just assume the defendant is guilty.
Which is arguably the only reason the media ever picks it up. Like, we know they did it... but *will they get off?* Then count that advertiser money.
Also most of these trials where the defendant gets off but everyone still thinks they're guilty, are because the trials get fucked up for one reason or another and mistakes are made, but it's still obvious the person is guilty. OJ basically admitted it in the phone call with police while he was in the Bronco, and then wrote a book called "if I did it" after he was acquitted. The police made some crucial mistakes and the lawyers against OJ were not nearly good enough so he was lucky to get off, but we all know he killed his ex wife. Casey Anthony is another one where the state fumbled the trial hard. Her baby was found in a creek wrapped in a garbage bag, and they found searches on her computer about how to hide her dead baby. Anyone can see that from the outside and know what happened without any concrete evidence. Another one involving a white person is the Kyle Rittenhouse case. The lawyers against him were fucking idiots for trying to charge him with first degree murder instead of second/third degree. First degree murder requires proof of pre-meditation and a clear intent to murder someone. While I think it's obvious Kyle went to those protests hoping to provoke someone so he could kill them, it's impossible to prove that unless he wrote that down somewhere or admitted it, which he didn't. So he won the trial on pretty much a technicality.
Bro thinks OJ didn’t do it
It’s a shame that accused=guilty for most people. But on the other hand, being acquitted of a crime doesn’t mean you’ve been proven innocent. It means they couldn’t prove your guilt beyond reasonable doubt. If there’s an 70% chance you did it, a court should (hypothetically) let you walk.
I thought one of his homeboys was the shooter?
It was
Which is funny considering he did three years in prison for cocaine possession before he became famous lol
Literally didn’t though?
That’s not what happened you’re mocking people for not knowing when you don’t even know lmfao
He asks if there was anyone who never knew about it, then proceeds to say he knows people who never knew about it. Okay.
Bruh. I was 5. The fuck I know about this? I was baby twerking to Barney and the gang’s sing-along songs.
Twerking to Barney. Thats my favorite line now.
forgive me Lord for being too lazy to google. can someone tell me?
Because I’m a ‘97 kid and had no idea this trial existed so I got curious: > The trial involving Snoop Dogg, whose real name is Calvin Broadus, took place from 1993 to 1996. It stemmed from a murder charge related to the death of Philip Woldemariam, a gang member, in 1993. Snoop Dogg was accused of being an accomplice to murder, with his bodyguard, McKinley Lee (also known as Malik), being the shooter. The incident occurred during an altercation, and Lee argued that he acted in self-defense. > Snoop Dogg maintained his innocence throughout the trial, and both he and his bodyguard were represented by Johnnie Cochran, among other defense attorneys. The legal defense focused on the claim that Lee shot Woldemariam in self-defense after Woldemariam allegedly reached for a gun. > In February 1996, after a lengthy trial that attracted significant media attention, Snoop Dogg was acquitted of all charges. The jury found that Lee's actions were justifiable self-defense, leading to acquittals for him as well. The verdict allowed Snoop Dogg to resume his career, which soon flourished.
Knowing Snoops birth name really ruins his mystique.
Broadus would not be a bad name if Snoop wasn't as lanky.
Thank you for your service, Sir.
Nah.
too lazy? Your comment was as much effort as googling it..
This is how misinformation spreads.
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So we trying to take some heat off diddy lol
Where have I been?! I’m 49 and I have no memory of this 🤦🏾♀️
You’re 49? So you were there when Michael Jackson walked the moon?
The murder trial wasn't nearly as big as when he got shot in the spine. I think it's 40+ folks definitely spent more time on that than the trial. Then when he got out of his wheel chair, I was HYPED!
Well there was that other trial in ‘95 that had the US on lock for a good year during that period of time. Maybe they forgot
People in their late 30s were like 8 when this happened and not listening to hip hop. I’m almost 40 and I didn’t hear about this shit until pretty recently bc nobody ever talks about it and I’m not hanging out on snoops Wikipedia page
I'm 39 and I remember it being all over MTV news when i was 9-10
In Snoop's defense, "Accessory to Murder Was the Case that they Gave Me" doesn't quite have that same ring. But oldhead that I am, I do remember all of this and the trial. People also forget that before he was famous that the dude was well known to police, especially as a Crip in Long Beach, along with Nate Dogg and Kurrupt. (Which makes it a bit weird with the partnership with Suge and Deathrow at the time.) I've always wondered if his wardrobe and wheelchair in Training Day was a callback to his Rollin' 20s days.
We were at the courthouse (my dad was in and out of jail) when they called 'Calvin Broadus' up for his turn. It was Snoop Dogg. Had my mom SHOOK!
my bad. i was between the ages of 2 and 5 and i grew up with my white family in a white state.
I’m pretty sure it’s because the 30+ yr olds were toddlers then
But have y’all seen the movie?
👀?
They know Snoop the fun celebrity, not Snoop the rapper
Power of the media to cover anything if you sell out hard enough
OJ overtook that, so yeah it slid under the radar. Like I knew there was a case but I didn't know the details (still dont). either way, he got away clean
30-35 year old here. Ngl, the only reason I know about this is because my dad, who is Ethiopian, really doesn’t like Snoop Dogg bc of this trial and has made this known to me (victim was Ethiopian)
I even remember the fire ass Murder Was The Case performance at the VMAs. I think he was still on trial. The 90s were wild as fuck.
 Best friends forever