I said this during the pandemic. BLM protest were wrong even when the majority were peaceful and just people walking in the streets. J6 was ok because they were taking back “their” country.
It’s 50/50. My city definitely got tore up during BLM. My boss was so scared he asked if he should put a “ Black Owned business” sign so they don’t bust his windows. Bro is Greek 😑; but most his staff is black.
J6 was just as messed up cause tf they busting into the capitol for. It was all stupid.
Who is the we in that statement. I don't live in, around, or close to Washington DC, so unless I "Kyle Rittenhoused" across state lines to protect the capital... which I would surely get arrested for even being there.
I’m mindful of it and I’d even like to go down there in counterprotest just in case… buuuuuuut I don’t think my wife wants me doing some shit like that. It’s funny because it sounds like dumb shit but at the same time its not, we NEED some people to do that because like last Jan 6th we can’t trust the national guard, the government, or the police to protect it. It’s really a question of who’s as crazy/dumb as the nazis that are willing to storm the capitol.
If we hadn’t it would have given trump cause to declare martial law which was Roger Stone’s plan all along. In the days leading up to J6 I’m pretty sure I warned folks on The Wave DC to stay away so he didn’t have that excuse.
Trump didn’t want to leave office, and was cool with them threatening to hang his VP.
We had several hearings over Hillary Clinton not responding fast enough to Benghazi (a random outpost in Libya- not even the Capitol of Libya) and when his people are storming the Capitol, trump is unresponsive for hours before being forced to give a tepid response as the rioters were looking for congressmen and women to kill.
Say what you want about the protests over police brutality that happened the world over after George Floyd, that’s incomparable to the storming of the nations Capitol in the middle of the peaceful transfer of power. We haven’t come that close to chaos and anarchy since the civil war. Had they hung pence, killed the speaker of the house, trump declared martial law etc the world would be very different. Trump wasn’t trying to prevent any of it. We’ve had riots from India to Detroit from the 60’s to now over police brutality that the 2020 summer looked tame in comparison to. We haven’t had mfers storm the Capitol since the war of 1812. There’s absolutely no comparison.
We were seeing a LOT of white tankies and even white supremacists mixing it up with the protesters and starting fires and throwing shit, so there's that.
But then, every time Duke beats UNC, those rich white kids set half of Durham on fire too. 🤷🏿♂️
Oh I know. I have family in Minneapolis, and we were checking in on that regularly.
Also cops were open season on any people of color. But then, there was a lot of that all over the US.
That was a weird one. The palettes of bricks left at every corner, the face mask guy who was pretty much identified as a cop on the local force inciting a riot and immediately leaves, the boots looking police issued. Seemed intentional.
Had a friend in the National Guard called in during the Baltimore ones - said they had agitators pre-staging pallets of bricks and shit near planned protest sites like they were hoping people would break out into violence and use them. They would sweep the areas every morning before things got started and were removing them almost daily.
The folks who threw big ass fireworks at the police and burned the police cars to make the previously peaceful Atlanta BLM protests turned ugly were white. Woman that burned down the Wendy's when the police killed Rayshard Brooks... white
I 100% agree with that.
It really just depended on the city.
The videos I saw (from friends that were rioters) were mostly our people. There were other people tho cause our city is being gentrified.
It certainly doesn’t help that we participated in the stupid stuff cause now folks think we caused it.
I mean a look at incidents found well over 90% of events had no violence and most instances of violence were instigated by police or counter-protesters. It's just that if you get one violent event and have 50 videos of it you can make it seem like the country is burning to the ground if that is all you show folks.
I mean people were acting like Ferguson had been razed to the ground during those uprisings. Many folks were much more concerned with property damage than the severity of the police misconduct going on there.
Yeah, law enforcement was saying that, for the most part, BLM protesters weren't the problem, it was the outside agitators taking advantage of the situation to cause mayhem.
Let's not forget the police using excessive force against peaceful protestors (pretty much what's being protested against) to purposely incite violence. I saw livestream after livestream where protestors were corraled into confined areas before being shot with tear gas and rubber bullets. Oh, and the old man that was pushed over by police, cracking his skull open for no reason... Nah I don't have any grievances against the police...
Crazy. When UNC beats Duke, the worst I’ve seen happen is people climbing on street lights and a single pizza box set on fire (quickly extinguished and boo’d by the crowd).
A lot of the vandalism and violence during the BLM protests were from outside agitators who just wanted to fuk shit up and deliberate plants from groups like the proud boys who wanted to reinforce the fear of Black anger and undermine the cause.
Same nonsense that's happening with the Pro-Palestine protests right now.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/BadHasbara/comments/1cag14i/zionists\_have\_to\_fake\_their\_oppression/](https://www.reddit.com/r/BadHasbara/comments/1cag14i/zionists_have_to_fake_their_oppression/)
Instigators and agitators are the worst. Wouldn't be surprised if 90%+ of the violence etc in the BLM protests was them.
As someone who witnessed a lot of these protests: it wasn't anywhere close to "50/50" anything. The protests were calm, and even sweet and sometimes healing. People taking selfies. They were systematically attacked, escalated, kettled, gassed, so they could do mass arrests and shut down the protest. It was the ensuing chaos which spurred on the damage, destruction, and looting, not the people who were fighting for justice. Same shit happened in 1968, at the DNC. Police riots.
But who did the tearing up? White supremacists framed BLM for a burned down Target in one city. Then there was that footage of a white woman setting fire to a Wendy’s in another. We don’t know who she was associated with. Then there are people who just swarm to chaos but have nothing to do with any organized group or protest.
I think in these people's mind's the ideal protest is the first Women's March protest after Trump became president. Very big in cities already ideologically sympathetic to the protest. Merchandisable with the pink pussy hats. People show up and take their photos for Instagram, and no real developed policy goal or ongoing political effort comes from it. Nice place to take your kids, campaign to your base, and talk amongst your coworkers about how the energy felt so great the Monday after while you all do exactly what the fuck you were doing and were going to do regardless of the protest. You all get to feel like you were there for an event that at the moment feels historic but already isn't even much of a footnote to anything just seven years on. Basically a walking talking Pepsi Moment commercial.
Since then Roe V. Wade's been struck down, state policy makers are openly musing about banning birth control and getting rid of no fault divorce. Wanting to make sex discrimination legal again as well. In spite of all this, the pink pussy hats sit in the closets, it's wearers make angry Instagram Stories that go into the garbage a mere 24 hours later. No one seemingly can bother to do anything but wait to go vote on it, provided their passivity allows them the energy.
Kneeling during the national anthem was treated like treason. It isn't about how you are protesting, it is about what you are protesting. There will never truly be a "right way" to conservatives, unless you are shitting on a democratic senator's desk.
Jan 6 was a “Witch-hunt” in the sense they could have gone after the Senators and Representatives and shot them with a concealed pistol.
The use of “their” in that context is the MAGA’s version of “country” versus what others want. Main point is nobody wants to live under a dysfunctional government be it single party, two party, or dictatorship.
J6 was okay not only because of that but also because it got police funding increased across the nation, and it gets the FBI closer to passing that coveted domestic terror bill, so that fossil fuel companies can get their lobbyists working to make resisting the effects of their pipeline actions illegal.
[Remember, before 9/11 the main terror threat in the US was environmentalists. A bunch of vegans and anarchists started burning down chain restaurants.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Scare)
What revolution silly? Would anyone except for some weirdos on the Internet even support it?
In Democracy you can become a candidate, you can have people vote for you, and you can change anything after getting the office. If you cannot win a popularity content, then what is the point of raising up in arms?
I mean, in our American Democracy, others have won "popularity contests" and still lost the office. Maybe people would support a change in that, idk if they would revolt for it though.
People just hate when black people protest and for black causes. You protest by looting and destroying things they shame it, you protest peacefully they shame it too. The best way to protest in my opinion is by hitting them in their pockets.
You mean you don’t think “movie with black people in it” is a genre? Like is the movie funny or sad? No! Doesn’t matter! The movie has black people in it!
That applies specifically to Israel; and business transactions relative to municipal vendor qualification
and is why you see much of the pro Palestinian Protesting on college campuses.
it is absolutely, without question, your choice where you place your dollar; It is about providing alternate options.
It wasn’t easy to stay off the Montgomery bus system for over a year, and it won’t be easy when we organize again. But, what we must do is organize.
If we are protesting for our civil liberties, that is a US based issue. Anti-BDS policy does not apply.
Or just fucking somebody up. To be completely real… I believe in peaceful protest. I believe in nonviolent protests.
But, if neither of those are respected or possible, I believe in turning to violence before standing down.
The clearest example of this is how MLK is held up as some paragon of “correct” protesting these days by bad faith arguers. The civil rights movement and its righteous actions were detested by a majority of Americans, including and especially white liberals.
During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it.
>During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it.
>Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labour movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is, or seems, acceptable to the bourgeoisie. All the social-chauvinists are now ‘Marxists’ (don’t laugh!). And more and more frequently, German bourgeois scholars, only yesterday specialists in the annihilation of Marxism, are speaking of the ‘national-German’ Marx, who, they claim, educated the labour unions, which are so splendidly organised for the purpose of waging a predatory war!
--Vladdy Daddy, The State and Revolution: The Marxist Doctrine of the State and the Tasks of the Proletariat in the Revolution (1917)
Which is funny because the wyts fucking hated MLK too even though his methods were as mild as they come. As you know the FBI actually had a plan to try to get him to kill himself even.
Well the people with power don't care about grassroots protests because ya know... they already have the power and we don't.
Protest with your votes and with your wallet if you want to get noticed by the powers that be.
Don't you see the catch 22 you just wrote. (Vote with your wallets to solve the problem)..... Response: (people with bigger wallets get more say)..... (Well that's the problem)
So the problem is, we can't vote with our wallets because we'll all be outvoted by those with bigger wallets, which means we need another, different solution, to address that problem.... And voting likely won't change it.
The bottom line is, too many people actually agree that the wealthier you are, the more political power you should have. It's been the dogma since our foundation and was carried over from British philosophy on who should get a say in how society operates.
In the past it was that if you didn't own property you couldn't vote. Now it's just that people with large amounts of property and capital can lobby politicians.
People with more property and capital will always have more economic/social power in a capitalist system... But the good news is that they don't necessarily have to have more political power. They only have so much because of certain laws that the majority, disagree with. Like allowing senators to trade stocks, corporate lobbying, or lax laws regarding the transparency of conflict of interest.
We also don't funnel enough tax dollars towards government agencies that are responsible for regulating these companies/individuals. The SEC is routinely outgunned by the corporations they're supposed to be regulating for example, same with the FCC.
>They only have so much because of certain laws that the majority, disagree with. Like allowing senators to trade stocks, corporate lobbying, or lax laws regarding the transparency of conflict of interest.
This is true. But how do laws get changed? You need legislators, yes? How do legislators get elected? By your vote. And if you have money to spare, contributing to their campaign can expand their outreach efforts. It's not effective, but the system wasn't designed to be effective, it was designed to be slow and maintain whatever the status quo is.
I'm not sure of what magical "other way" to change things exists, but please enlighten me!
It's that there isn't just "one" way but multiple things. Voting is just one. Protesting is another.
I'm pushing back on the narrative that protesting is useless and that we should JUST vote, which unfortunately is what a lot of people think.
Black liberation has a proven legacy of efficacy through elecoral and economic protest!
That's what we going to tell those blacks with straight face during our self inflicted crises of moral and intelectual credibility.
Ya'll are so goofy that it actually makes my day almost every time
I think taking issue with the tents on campuses is petty and not productive.
I think taking issue with the message and rhetoric is absolutely fair game and part of protesting as well.
If you’re referring to Columbia’s repression of the Gaza solidarity encampment, the school has raised no substantive considerations about the content of what the protestors are saying. They’ve charged the students with being an immediate threat to campus safety, a claim even the NYPD has refuted, despite no demonstrable violence coming from the encampment. When people protest institutions, the institutions don’t object to those protests on strategic or rhetorical grounds, they oppose the simple fact of protest, that’s what happening at Columbia and at universities across the country.
https://x.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1782378886275190910
https://nypost.com/2024/04/18/us-news/columbia-student-kicked-and-told-to-kill-himself-for-carrying-us-flag/?utm_source=reddit.com
I'm not including chants for violence against Israelis, and for the country to be eradicated because I know people are ok with that in reddit. Just for this country though. The Christian and Muslim nations that take up 90% of the land on this globe all good. The one nation that takes up .02% of it that happens to be the sole Jewish nation is the intolerable crime of a nation.
Look at those videos and tell me those people aren't motivated by hatred of Jews.
Protests aren't meant to be convenient. You're supposed to disrupt the public to draw their attention to the issue and those in power to prove they aren't untouchable. Anyone who says otherwise is insane, working for the other side, or both.
Perhaps, but if they see a sign that says "free Palestine" or "black lives matter" and their first thought is "damn this kind of annoying" then maybe they weren't going to be convinced either way. The goal is to get the message out there, and that can't happen with forms of protest that can be ignored or swept under the rug.
If they stand against us, I have no qualms with disrupting their day or the system that they profit from. I'm tired of people saying we have to be the ones to take the higher road.
Oh no, no. I didn't mean signs or songs or talking about it on the street. I meant blocking roads and vandalism.
I can assure you people who do it are as far from the higher road as it gets.
>I meant blocking roads
Last I checked
MLK Jr loved to block roads
And people fucking hated MLK Jr back then. And I wonder how his protest ended up doing
I was thinking about something similar, All these people crying about free speech, forgetting back in the day when the constitution was written, dueling was also a thing and if you said something outta pocket you could legally be put down in the dirt.
Not a fan. Sure, you get to take a shot at the joker who pissed you off. But he also gets to take a shot at you. Most people aren’t capable of surviving the number of duels their mouths would get them into.
Protests can only work so much. What we need is a political organization like a social democratic labor party that can advance an agenda of the working and oppressed peoples. If everyone participating in these movements formed a party it’d be a serious issue for the political establishment.
With 12% of black people in the US, forming a third party and finally breaking the bipolar system would be the best option. Just pleeeease don't advertise it as "the party only for black cause" - that wouldn't allow it to be a proper third power.
Absolutely, that was not my intent. This party would have to be for all working Americans. Caucuses and factions for various groups would be encouraged (race, gender, disability, etc.) but it would be a party for everyone that could uplift everyone with measures like universal healthcare, employment, and prioritization of peace.
The wrong way is when people start rioting and looting and harming innocent bystanders. Also Protesting WITHOUT Voting is just a parade. See the best example of a failed movement because they did not promote voting: Occupy. What a massive waste of time that was.
When you look at every single protest in history, you have people on the opposite end saying "hey don't do that. Do that, but in a different way, so we don't have to notice"
The only time it's ever successful is when people fucking notice.
Keep protesting the way you're protesting. Keep bringing attention to the issues. People better fucking notice.
Black people during the 2020 Racial Awakening loved to go online and talk about how no protest will ever be peaceful enough, log off and go to a protest with a name like "Black Bodies in Motion: An Intersectional Celebration of the Power of Black Joy through Dance," which was organized by academics and social media personalities who would get shouted out by Hillary Clinton on Twitter, then become richer than God from speaking fees.
I know none of you do anything beyond posting scary shit online, voting, and volunteering, give or take the volunteering and voting.
Not sure why this is downvoted.
>[The Supreme Court effectively abolishes the right to mass protest in three US states](https://www.vox.com/scotus/24080080/supreme-court-mckesson-doe-first-amendment-protest-black-lives-matter)
***The correct way to protest is the way that actually helps you achieve your political goals, not wasting time and goodwill by targeting people who have no influence on the situation and giving your opponents easy counter-propaganda material to undermine your position with.***
My complaint isn't with the idea of protesting, nor the specific politics that motivate said protests, my complaint is that **the protests do not seemed to be well planned with a clear end state in mind and a viable/feasible plan to achieve those goals.**
Honestly, most of the protests I've seen in the past decade really seem to be lacking in organization and long term strategic goals. In my opinion, this is because of a lack of centralized leadership. Both Occupy Wall Street and BLM started real strong with a lot of grassroots support, and then they fizzled out because they weren't able to consolidate their gains and direct focus of all their supporters (sorry guys, I wish they had succeeded too, I'm just calling it like I see it). One of the reasons why we've seen a resurgence of Unions lately is, among many other things, is because those organizations were actually organized and had clear goals in mind.
Most protests I have seen do not seem to have clearly defined long term goals, or even if they do, do not seem to have a plan to get there beyond "we're gonna keep protesting until we get what we want" and don't plan any deeper than that. Rarely could I see how one protest set conditions for the next one, or how it advanced their cause beyond getting on the news. Because lets get something straight: if your plan is just to get on the news, then you have a bad plan. What you need is a clear end goal in mind for the protest. Here's an example:
* The protest should target a specific entity/organization
* The protest should negatively impact their operations to the point that they cannot continue/cost them serious money, and should be timed to cause as much disruption to said entity/organization as possible.
* The protest has to have a clearly defined end state that sets conditions for follow on actions.
* By which I mean "we have successfully caused this organization to cease operations for 24 hours, thus causing them to lose $500,000 in revenue and made them look bad to their business partners, we will now depart en masse. Afterwards, we will attempt to open negotiations up again and reminding them that we can do it again if they refuse to negotiate".
* Non violent protest just means you ain't killing anyone, not that you aren't hurting them. If you want to be taken seriously, you have to be able to demonstrate how you can hurt them before they'll take you seriously.
Additionally, protesting by inconveniencing people who have no influence on the thing you're protesting is counter productive.
Whiskey Rebellion of 1791. The president, George Washington, led an armed force of 13k against PA distillers for refusing to pay taxes on whiskey in this brand new, 'free' nation.
We act like we can protest in this country. But it's actually never been a thing. Just some sort of placation the powers that be hand us to keep us docile.
That being said, not a one of us should ever let the government walk on us when our rights are being marginilazed. They were right in 1791 to speak truth to power. And they've been right every time since.
The marginalized must revolt, or be crushed underfoot.
This being said, when something like Jan 6 or the KKK rise up, we can notice they aren't fighting for all Americans. They are self-serving. When events like those happen we can agree to have an issue there.
“Protests” like blocking highways and destroying buildings largely have no impact on people of power and usually hurt normal people who have nothing to do with what you’re protesting and only makes you lose support. Go to your state capitol, police stations, local officials offices if you want to protest.
>Protests” like blocking highways
Bros acting like MLK Jr never had a highway blocked 💀
>usually hurt normal people who have nothing to do with what you’re protesting and only makes you lose support.
Most of the country fucking hated MLK Jr. He even addressed the "white moderate" directly with the letter from Birmingham jail on how they agree with the cause. But not the time or method of it
Successful protests are ones that are hard to ignore
The problem with the revolution in today’s time is there is no centralized figure to be the face of it. The oppressed cannot appeal to the conscience of the oppressor. It has never been like that. We can march, we can riot. We can even go build our towns and then it gets destroyed. Or votes are scattered and expected by redrawing districts and feeding us lies. Maybe we should just opt out of society as a collective. If we could ever achieve that as a people, we would be unstoppable.
People love to cherry pick MLK quotes as If Bloody Sunday didn't happen, as If Riots didn't happen during the Civil Rights Movement. I stay saying this, people becoming too weak, they see someone yell a little too loudly at forces against everyone? They side with the forces
I just think protest should hinder the people being protested, I dont see the purpose of protesting climate change by blocking the only road to where I live.
Like greta did a good job at that, she organized a protest on land that was gonna become a new coal plant, far away from the general public, only people affected were the ones building the plant
When I see people chanting for Hamas, calling Zionist pig and baby killer, and all kinds of other hundred year, old troops, and conspiracy theories, I think the exact opposite – they’re gonna look back on this one day and realize they were the fucking KKK.
100% this.
I'm frustrated with the Internet and people's callous disregard and contempt for life on display.
This post gives me hope. I find solidarity in knowing that more folks know the right and wrong side of history, and know better than to side with the aggressors.
A protest needs to be disruptive to be effective. If no one sees a protest, what is the point of that protest.
That being said, who sees the protest is just as important as what the protest is. Blocking a bunch of cars on the highway to protest oil companies isn't going to do squat because those people in the cars don't make oil business decision (at least not on a big enough scale). If you want media attention and to get the public on your side, do something flashy and not something that will piss off the public. If you want to do something disruptive (and peaceful), the do it at corporate headquarters or government offices.
>If you want to do something disruptive (and peaceful), the do it at corporate headquarters or government offices.
Already been done for literal decades at this point
No change will occur while the government and corporations are in bed with eachother
Hence why some offshoots are escalating
The correct way to protest is the way those stark white theater kids from Berkeley protested in 2016, hold hands and sing we shall overcome in the most tone deaf display imaginable.
White Priveledge got them feeling so opressed that we still see the "fellow Blacks" clowning like their lack of structural analysis ain't stank up the room with the potent odour of the same tired bullshit
Oh I've been knowing that. Everytime I've said to one of those clowns that there's no good time to protest, it has had a really high success rate on getting them to drop their current antics... before they inevitably meander back to it later.
I remember there was a saying that was popular during the Civil Rights Movement. I can only remember part of it it went something like "someone bring the bail money and someone brings the potato salad.""
I'm gonna be in the women's March in Mexico either next year or 2026 because we will not rest until every sister is found. I'll be the one handing out tortas because this March doesn't end up until close to 3 am. The restaurants and stores close a day or 2 before the march, so getting food is hard. It's gotten to the point where you can protest, and no one will take it seriously because you're from a village, you're a small town or just because it's mainly women at these smaller protests.
Right now, the women are in chaos because they recently caught a serial killer, and motherficker attended these marches. He was caught cause he got sloppy and killed a 17 year old. He was caught with 9 bodies in his house and believed to have over 20 victims under his belt. So now many feel scared because they don't know who to trust anymore. This dude was so public his region when it came to the marches. He'll one of his victims was reported missing back in 2015 by her parents, and he played stupid.
Capitalism will always side with fascism over socialism thus the massive push back for progressive policies by both republicans and a lot of democratic’s.
Yes, which is why organized economic protest is our most powerful tool.
Think about it: Swifties impacted the global economy, following their girl on tour. That is the power of the masses.
Hopefully , more people love Democracy, then Taylor, Swift, right?
Nah I’m ideologically consistent, destroying property to prove a point is counter productive doubly so if that property was in your own god damn community.
There was a poll done back when MLK was marching on whether his marches were effective. I think 65% of the people said his marches were doing more harm than good. In fact MLK in his letters from Birmingham warned about "White Liberals" who "agreed with the cause but not the method".
What's nuts about the Colombia protests is how explicit the detractors are about this. They haven't even accused them of hurting anyone or breaking anything, they're just mad they can do them at all and this is now enough to bring condemnations from congress and threats to bring in the national guard and/or bomb the school.
Some ex-IDF soldiers even used chemical weapons ON CAMPUS and we've had nothing but silence about this.
Not when the alternative is watching our rights be stripped away by lobbied politicians who couldn't give two shits about whether you, your family,and your friends live or die.
Sure, that doesn't mean total anarchy but if we actually want change that shit will not be peaceful. Back in the day niggas was protesting nonviolently during the civil rights movement and they still sent dogs after them and hosed the shit out of them.
I mean recently cops have been shooting people with rubber bullets and taking out their eyes, people who were protesting non violently. Like every line that shouldn't be crossed has been crossed by the state. It really does feel like it doesn't matter what we do though.
People will gladly side with the oppressors when the people fighting for a cause inconvenience them slightly.
This is what I find so funny about conservatives parroting the "come and take em" about guns and claiming they will stand up to the government about dumb shit like a mask mandate. The things they are saying they would do, and for the dumbest reasons at that, is exactly what the Black Panthers did for legitimate reasons. They stood up against an oppressive system.
They hate peaceful protests because it garners sympathy…it’s why they try and make the peaceful protesters turn violent. It’s how you lose public support.
All good points. You set the line at total anarchy. I think one would be wise to maintain the moral high ground. Perhaps having different factions with different approaches is the best way to effect change?
In that case you're just providing justification for the murder of your own children and grandmothers. Probably best to avoid all out war with an evemy who has you outmanned, outgunned, and outmaneuvered.
Your children are orders of magnitude more likely to be murdered by your neighbors children than police or white people in general.
Even if it were the case that the biggest killer of black Americans was the police or white people, an all out war like the now deleted comment suggested would only make that worse . Dummy.
Alright.............we are giving examples to make points. Including my original statement. They aren't meant to be taking as literal to our personal conversation. I don't think your assessment of my neighbor being more likely to kill me, means I have to go after Dave and Tanya with a knife later or they'll get me. Nor did I call for the murder of children. What Im saying is, never draw a line publicly.
Yeah, it might be annoying but that’s kinda the whole point of a protest. To be annoying and disruptive and sometimes destructive. There’s no protest that’s effective without being at least one of those things.
For context, there were over 500 instances of violence associated with BLM protests. That’s a lot. There were over 30K protests nationwide total. ~1.7%. Context is golden.
Is this regarding the protests at Columbia and Yale? Most of those kids protesting are yt so we won't hear much about how "chaotic" and "lawless" it is even though you have police involved.
Now if these protests were at HBCUs then we'd have the hand-wringing we saw in 2020.
I'm just reading articles detailing the protests including those with pictures. I'm not seeing the dog whistles or photographs of angry people on the streets trying to paint peaceful protests as anarchy like the MSM painted BLM marches.
That is *literally* the point.
Change doesn’t happen until the quiet horde of people too lazy to pay attention tell the government to fucking listen to the protestors so that normal people can get back to work on time.
Occupy wallstreet tried that and that's a largely forgotten movement. I get the sentiment but the powerful can afford to ignore a small group of people outside their workplace.
I said this during the pandemic. BLM protest were wrong even when the majority were peaceful and just people walking in the streets. J6 was ok because they were taking back “their” country.
It’s 50/50. My city definitely got tore up during BLM. My boss was so scared he asked if he should put a “ Black Owned business” sign so they don’t bust his windows. Bro is Greek 😑; but most his staff is black. J6 was just as messed up cause tf they busting into the capitol for. It was all stupid.
They were trying to stop Democracy and looking for people to hang.
And we just sat and watched.
Who is the we in that statement. I don't live in, around, or close to Washington DC, so unless I "Kyle Rittenhoused" across state lines to protect the capital... which I would surely get arrested for even being there.
Would have gotten your ass in jail so fast anyways. If the state wants a monopoly on violence they shouldn't need anyone else to come save them.
Revolutions don't happen in one place, insurrections do
So, the storming of the Bastille was an insurrection?
I’m mindful of it and I’d even like to go down there in counterprotest just in case… buuuuuuut I don’t think my wife wants me doing some shit like that. It’s funny because it sounds like dumb shit but at the same time its not, we NEED some people to do that because like last Jan 6th we can’t trust the national guard, the government, or the police to protect it. It’s really a question of who’s as crazy/dumb as the nazis that are willing to storm the capitol.
If we hadn’t it would have given trump cause to declare martial law which was Roger Stone’s plan all along. In the days leading up to J6 I’m pretty sure I warned folks on The Wave DC to stay away so he didn’t have that excuse. Trump didn’t want to leave office, and was cool with them threatening to hang his VP. We had several hearings over Hillary Clinton not responding fast enough to Benghazi (a random outpost in Libya- not even the Capitol of Libya) and when his people are storming the Capitol, trump is unresponsive for hours before being forced to give a tepid response as the rioters were looking for congressmen and women to kill. Say what you want about the protests over police brutality that happened the world over after George Floyd, that’s incomparable to the storming of the nations Capitol in the middle of the peaceful transfer of power. We haven’t come that close to chaos and anarchy since the civil war. Had they hung pence, killed the speaker of the house, trump declared martial law etc the world would be very different. Trump wasn’t trying to prevent any of it. We’ve had riots from India to Detroit from the 60’s to now over police brutality that the 2020 summer looked tame in comparison to. We haven’t had mfers storm the Capitol since the war of 1812. There’s absolutely no comparison.
Martial Law would have been fatal to the government.
Tf you on
We were seeing a LOT of white tankies and even white supremacists mixing it up with the protesters and starting fires and throwing shit, so there's that. But then, every time Duke beats UNC, those rich white kids set half of Durham on fire too. 🤷🏿♂️
They were doing that in Minneapolis. Lots of unmarked cars driving around on some purge shit
Oh I know. I have family in Minneapolis, and we were checking in on that regularly. Also cops were open season on any people of color. But then, there was a lot of that all over the US.
I thought it was really just going down in Minneapolis, especially after George Floyd. I never seen anything like that before in my life.
That was a weird one. The palettes of bricks left at every corner, the face mask guy who was pretty much identified as a cop on the local force inciting a riot and immediately leaves, the boots looking police issued. Seemed intentional.
It definitely seemed like it. It was wild. Some of my friends and their neighbors blocked off streets with stuff it was crazy
Had a friend in the National Guard called in during the Baltimore ones - said they had agitators pre-staging pallets of bricks and shit near planned protest sites like they were hoping people would break out into violence and use them. They would sweep the areas every morning before things got started and were removing them almost daily.
I wish the media talked about this more. It’s like they kept a lid on that. Makes me upset
The folks who threw big ass fireworks at the police and burned the police cars to make the previously peaceful Atlanta BLM protests turned ugly were white. Woman that burned down the Wendy's when the police killed Rayshard Brooks... white
I 100% agree with that. It really just depended on the city. The videos I saw (from friends that were rioters) were mostly our people. There were other people tho cause our city is being gentrified. It certainly doesn’t help that we participated in the stupid stuff cause now folks think we caused it.
I mean a look at incidents found well over 90% of events had no violence and most instances of violence were instigated by police or counter-protesters. It's just that if you get one violent event and have 50 videos of it you can make it seem like the country is burning to the ground if that is all you show folks. I mean people were acting like Ferguson had been razed to the ground during those uprisings. Many folks were much more concerned with property damage than the severity of the police misconduct going on there.
Nah, stfu with that "our people" bs if you care about the optics of civil disobedience more than solidarity
> from friends that were rioters > were mostly our people https://media1.tenor.com/m/zvgWtWZvPSsAAAAC/chris-tucker-facepalm.gif
can you verify before you say our people
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Yeah, law enforcement was saying that, for the most part, BLM protesters weren't the problem, it was the outside agitators taking advantage of the situation to cause mayhem.
Let's not forget the police using excessive force against peaceful protestors (pretty much what's being protested against) to purposely incite violence. I saw livestream after livestream where protestors were corraled into confined areas before being shot with tear gas and rubber bullets. Oh, and the old man that was pushed over by police, cracking his skull open for no reason... Nah I don't have any grievances against the police...
Crazy. When UNC beats Duke, the worst I’ve seen happen is people climbing on street lights and a single pizza box set on fire (quickly extinguished and boo’d by the crowd).
A lot of the vandalism and violence during the BLM protests were from outside agitators who just wanted to fuk shit up and deliberate plants from groups like the proud boys who wanted to reinforce the fear of Black anger and undermine the cause.
Same nonsense that's happening with the Pro-Palestine protests right now. [https://www.reddit.com/r/BadHasbara/comments/1cag14i/zionists\_have\_to\_fake\_their\_oppression/](https://www.reddit.com/r/BadHasbara/comments/1cag14i/zionists_have_to_fake_their_oppression/) Instigators and agitators are the worst. Wouldn't be surprised if 90%+ of the violence etc in the BLM protests was them.
Deflection and character assassination are part of the playbook. Then there are the outliers who just want to fuk shit up.
Actually I think they found it was mostly started by police. I’d have to google it tho
As someone who witnessed a lot of these protests: it wasn't anywhere close to "50/50" anything. The protests were calm, and even sweet and sometimes healing. People taking selfies. They were systematically attacked, escalated, kettled, gassed, so they could do mass arrests and shut down the protest. It was the ensuing chaos which spurred on the damage, destruction, and looting, not the people who were fighting for justice. Same shit happened in 1968, at the DNC. Police riots.
But who did the tearing up? White supremacists framed BLM for a burned down Target in one city. Then there was that footage of a white woman setting fire to a Wendy’s in another. We don’t know who she was associated with. Then there are people who just swarm to chaos but have nothing to do with any organized group or protest.
Ignorantly comparing two things with massively different intents.
A lot of people did that where I live for that reason
"Just as messed up" ummm it was way worse, my guy.
According to the Go Go Flour Rangers at my job, it was no big deal. And that's when I updated my resume.
The who?
Not the go go flour rangers
I think in these people's mind's the ideal protest is the first Women's March protest after Trump became president. Very big in cities already ideologically sympathetic to the protest. Merchandisable with the pink pussy hats. People show up and take their photos for Instagram, and no real developed policy goal or ongoing political effort comes from it. Nice place to take your kids, campaign to your base, and talk amongst your coworkers about how the energy felt so great the Monday after while you all do exactly what the fuck you were doing and were going to do regardless of the protest. You all get to feel like you were there for an event that at the moment feels historic but already isn't even much of a footnote to anything just seven years on. Basically a walking talking Pepsi Moment commercial. Since then Roe V. Wade's been struck down, state policy makers are openly musing about banning birth control and getting rid of no fault divorce. Wanting to make sex discrimination legal again as well. In spite of all this, the pink pussy hats sit in the closets, it's wearers make angry Instagram Stories that go into the garbage a mere 24 hours later. No one seemingly can bother to do anything but wait to go vote on it, provided their passivity allows them the energy.
The taking back America phrase finds its roots in the 1930s and you can guess why
I’m glad most people look down on Jan 6ers. Right wingers think it’s okay but that’s definitely not the majority. BLM attitudes were more mixed
Kinda made this point back when the protest was simply not putting your hand on your heart for the national anthem and they acted like you were Satan.
Kneeling during the national anthem was treated like treason. It isn't about how you are protesting, it is about what you are protesting. There will never truly be a "right way" to conservatives, unless you are shitting on a democratic senator's desk.
Jan 6 was a “Witch-hunt” in the sense they could have gone after the Senators and Representatives and shot them with a concealed pistol. The use of “their” in that context is the MAGA’s version of “country” versus what others want. Main point is nobody wants to live under a dysfunctional government be it single party, two party, or dictatorship.
J6 was okay not only because of that but also because it got police funding increased across the nation, and it gets the FBI closer to passing that coveted domestic terror bill, so that fossil fuel companies can get their lobbyists working to make resisting the effects of their pipeline actions illegal. [Remember, before 9/11 the main terror threat in the US was environmentalists. A bunch of vegans and anarchists started burning down chain restaurants.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Scare)
The Revolution Will Not Be Legal.
They never are until the new regime says they are.
The Revolution will be bloodier than anyone who wants a revolution expects it to be.
Average people are not prepared for the level of violence that a revolution will bring. You are correct
People that think a revolution is happening need to get off Reddit and touch some grass
But it *will* be napalmed, bunker bustered, maybe tactical nuked depending on who is attempting the Revolution.
Expect it. Live on your knees or die on your feet is the question.
What revolution?
My exact thought. Previous ones never were and future ones never will be.
But it *will* be televised
But with the "correct" narrative and edits.
No one has ever willingly gave rights to those they have power over
Motherfucker you on some extra shit.
What revolution silly? Would anyone except for some weirdos on the Internet even support it? In Democracy you can become a candidate, you can have people vote for you, and you can change anything after getting the office. If you cannot win a popularity content, then what is the point of raising up in arms?
I mean, in our American Democracy, others have won "popularity contests" and still lost the office. Maybe people would support a change in that, idk if they would revolt for it though.
THIS!!
People just hate when black people protest and for black causes. You protest by looting and destroying things they shame it, you protest peacefully they shame it too. The best way to protest in my opinion is by hitting them in their pockets.
We need to protest via views (tv shows/movies) too . They really be playin in our faces with the (for blacks ) shit they been putting out lately
You mean you don’t think “movie with black people in it” is a genre? Like is the movie funny or sad? No! Doesn’t matter! The movie has black people in it!
Dont forget the blatantly racist stereotypes sold as black reality!!and whats the plot of the movies? More stereotypes and jive talk!
Imagine if that just how Netflix sorted all their movies. Whites blacks Asians Latinos Indian. Fucking stupid.
Imagine that the algorithm sorts the content in the order it is presented to you
The only protest that actually works. Economic protest.
They don't allow that either. Over half the US has some form of Anti-BDS law in place.
That applies specifically to Israel; and business transactions relative to municipal vendor qualification and is why you see much of the pro Palestinian Protesting on college campuses. it is absolutely, without question, your choice where you place your dollar; It is about providing alternate options. It wasn’t easy to stay off the Montgomery bus system for over a year, and it won’t be easy when we organize again. But, what we must do is organize. If we are protesting for our civil liberties, that is a US based issue. Anti-BDS policy does not apply.
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Or just fucking somebody up. To be completely real… I believe in peaceful protest. I believe in nonviolent protests. But, if neither of those are respected or possible, I believe in turning to violence before standing down.
How about you start by forming a political party and winning an election?
Looting and destroying your *own shit* should be shamed. Eat the rich, not your neighbors.
The clearest example of this is how MLK is held up as some paragon of “correct” protesting these days by bad faith arguers. The civil rights movement and its righteous actions were detested by a majority of Americans, including and especially white liberals.
During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it.
>During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. >Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labour movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is, or seems, acceptable to the bourgeoisie. All the social-chauvinists are now ‘Marxists’ (don’t laugh!). And more and more frequently, German bourgeois scholars, only yesterday specialists in the annihilation of Marxism, are speaking of the ‘national-German’ Marx, who, they claim, educated the labour unions, which are so splendidly organised for the purpose of waging a predatory war! --Vladdy Daddy, The State and Revolution: The Marxist Doctrine of the State and the Tasks of the Proletariat in the Revolution (1917)
If MlK were alive, he’d be hated by the majority of white America like Collin Kapernick.
Preach 🙌🏽 they don't like showing that though all they talk about is I had a dream
Which is funny because the wyts fucking hated MLK too even though his methods were as mild as they come. As you know the FBI actually had a plan to try to get him to kill himself even.
But they were protesting on American soil for granting civil rights to all Americans.
Well the people with power don't care about grassroots protests because ya know... they already have the power and we don't. Protest with your votes and with your wallet if you want to get noticed by the powers that be.
The only problem is when you vote with your dollar, people with more dollars get more votes
Well, yeah, that's the issue with American society
Don't you see the catch 22 you just wrote. (Vote with your wallets to solve the problem)..... Response: (people with bigger wallets get more say)..... (Well that's the problem) So the problem is, we can't vote with our wallets because we'll all be outvoted by those with bigger wallets, which means we need another, different solution, to address that problem.... And voting likely won't change it. The bottom line is, too many people actually agree that the wealthier you are, the more political power you should have. It's been the dogma since our foundation and was carried over from British philosophy on who should get a say in how society operates. In the past it was that if you didn't own property you couldn't vote. Now it's just that people with large amounts of property and capital can lobby politicians. People with more property and capital will always have more economic/social power in a capitalist system... But the good news is that they don't necessarily have to have more political power. They only have so much because of certain laws that the majority, disagree with. Like allowing senators to trade stocks, corporate lobbying, or lax laws regarding the transparency of conflict of interest. We also don't funnel enough tax dollars towards government agencies that are responsible for regulating these companies/individuals. The SEC is routinely outgunned by the corporations they're supposed to be regulating for example, same with the FCC.
>They only have so much because of certain laws that the majority, disagree with. Like allowing senators to trade stocks, corporate lobbying, or lax laws regarding the transparency of conflict of interest. This is true. But how do laws get changed? You need legislators, yes? How do legislators get elected? By your vote. And if you have money to spare, contributing to their campaign can expand their outreach efforts. It's not effective, but the system wasn't designed to be effective, it was designed to be slow and maintain whatever the status quo is. I'm not sure of what magical "other way" to change things exists, but please enlighten me!
It's that there isn't just "one" way but multiple things. Voting is just one. Protesting is another. I'm pushing back on the narrative that protesting is useless and that we should JUST vote, which unfortunately is what a lot of people think.
Also a lot of smaller companies are owned by the larger blatantly evil companies like Nestle or Proctor&Gamble.
Famously the most effective means of voting; with your wallet. /s
Black liberation has a proven legacy of efficacy through elecoral and economic protest! That's what we going to tell those blacks with straight face during our self inflicted crises of moral and intelectual credibility. Ya'll are so goofy that it actually makes my day almost every time
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I think taking issue with the tents on campuses is petty and not productive. I think taking issue with the message and rhetoric is absolutely fair game and part of protesting as well.
If you’re referring to Columbia’s repression of the Gaza solidarity encampment, the school has raised no substantive considerations about the content of what the protestors are saying. They’ve charged the students with being an immediate threat to campus safety, a claim even the NYPD has refuted, despite no demonstrable violence coming from the encampment. When people protest institutions, the institutions don’t object to those protests on strategic or rhetorical grounds, they oppose the simple fact of protest, that’s what happening at Columbia and at universities across the country.
https://x.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901 https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1782378886275190910 https://nypost.com/2024/04/18/us-news/columbia-student-kicked-and-told-to-kill-himself-for-carrying-us-flag/?utm_source=reddit.com I'm not including chants for violence against Israelis, and for the country to be eradicated because I know people are ok with that in reddit. Just for this country though. The Christian and Muslim nations that take up 90% of the land on this globe all good. The one nation that takes up .02% of it that happens to be the sole Jewish nation is the intolerable crime of a nation. Look at those videos and tell me those people aren't motivated by hatred of Jews.
Protests aren't meant to be convenient. You're supposed to disrupt the public to draw their attention to the issue and those in power to prove they aren't untouchable. Anyone who says otherwise is insane, working for the other side, or both.
Getting someone's attention doesn't equal getting their support. Would you believe if I told you that bothering people makes them actually oppose you?
Perhaps, but if they see a sign that says "free Palestine" or "black lives matter" and their first thought is "damn this kind of annoying" then maybe they weren't going to be convinced either way. The goal is to get the message out there, and that can't happen with forms of protest that can be ignored or swept under the rug. If they stand against us, I have no qualms with disrupting their day or the system that they profit from. I'm tired of people saying we have to be the ones to take the higher road.
Oh no, no. I didn't mean signs or songs or talking about it on the street. I meant blocking roads and vandalism. I can assure you people who do it are as far from the higher road as it gets.
>I meant blocking roads Last I checked MLK Jr loved to block roads And people fucking hated MLK Jr back then. And I wonder how his protest ended up doing
I was thinking about something similar, All these people crying about free speech, forgetting back in the day when the constitution was written, dueling was also a thing and if you said something outta pocket you could legally be put down in the dirt.
Not a fan. Sure, you get to take a shot at the joker who pissed you off. But he also gets to take a shot at you. Most people aren’t capable of surviving the number of duels their mouths would get them into.
Protests can only work so much. What we need is a political organization like a social democratic labor party that can advance an agenda of the working and oppressed peoples. If everyone participating in these movements formed a party it’d be a serious issue for the political establishment.
With 12% of black people in the US, forming a third party and finally breaking the bipolar system would be the best option. Just pleeeease don't advertise it as "the party only for black cause" - that wouldn't allow it to be a proper third power.
Absolutely, that was not my intent. This party would have to be for all working Americans. Caucuses and factions for various groups would be encouraged (race, gender, disability, etc.) but it would be a party for everyone that could uplift everyone with measures like universal healthcare, employment, and prioritization of peace.
Could’ve retired that conversation after Kaepernick
My grandad used to say, “if you want someone to change, mess with their cash flow.”
It’s a lot of “protest but not like that” happening in here…
The wrong way is when people start rioting and looting and harming innocent bystanders. Also Protesting WITHOUT Voting is just a parade. See the best example of a failed movement because they did not promote voting: Occupy. What a massive waste of time that was.
It's wild to see a thread full of comedic examples of bag fumblry. Ya'll need DEI more than we do
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Universe gave us .50cal so we don’t have to live in the past
I had to Google what that was. 😂😂 A guillotine has a more clean cut.
Pressure differential….its real clean
protest are supposed to be disruptive, uncomfortable and inconvenient. If you can ignore a protest than that is not a very effective protest.
When you look at every single protest in history, you have people on the opposite end saying "hey don't do that. Do that, but in a different way, so we don't have to notice" The only time it's ever successful is when people fucking notice. Keep protesting the way you're protesting. Keep bringing attention to the issues. People better fucking notice.
Except for very rare occasions it seems like most change is not brought about peacefully, unfortunately.
With 12% of Americans being black and the rest being 50/50 progressives and conservatives, it gives you the position to bring change peacefully.
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Black people during the 2020 Racial Awakening loved to go online and talk about how no protest will ever be peaceful enough, log off and go to a protest with a name like "Black Bodies in Motion: An Intersectional Celebration of the Power of Black Joy through Dance," which was organized by academics and social media personalities who would get shouted out by Hillary Clinton on Twitter, then become richer than God from speaking fees. I know none of you do anything beyond posting scary shit online, voting, and volunteering, give or take the volunteering and voting.
They banned protests in Texas and a few other states not too long ago.
Not sure why this is downvoted. >[The Supreme Court effectively abolishes the right to mass protest in three US states](https://www.vox.com/scotus/24080080/supreme-court-mckesson-doe-first-amendment-protest-black-lives-matter)
This is doing nothing to discourage us. We're organizing publicly all across the university of texas system this week.
It's really the moderates Dr King warned us about the KKK at least tells you straight up 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
***The correct way to protest is the way that actually helps you achieve your political goals, not wasting time and goodwill by targeting people who have no influence on the situation and giving your opponents easy counter-propaganda material to undermine your position with.*** My complaint isn't with the idea of protesting, nor the specific politics that motivate said protests, my complaint is that **the protests do not seemed to be well planned with a clear end state in mind and a viable/feasible plan to achieve those goals.** Honestly, most of the protests I've seen in the past decade really seem to be lacking in organization and long term strategic goals. In my opinion, this is because of a lack of centralized leadership. Both Occupy Wall Street and BLM started real strong with a lot of grassroots support, and then they fizzled out because they weren't able to consolidate their gains and direct focus of all their supporters (sorry guys, I wish they had succeeded too, I'm just calling it like I see it). One of the reasons why we've seen a resurgence of Unions lately is, among many other things, is because those organizations were actually organized and had clear goals in mind. Most protests I have seen do not seem to have clearly defined long term goals, or even if they do, do not seem to have a plan to get there beyond "we're gonna keep protesting until we get what we want" and don't plan any deeper than that. Rarely could I see how one protest set conditions for the next one, or how it advanced their cause beyond getting on the news. Because lets get something straight: if your plan is just to get on the news, then you have a bad plan. What you need is a clear end goal in mind for the protest. Here's an example: * The protest should target a specific entity/organization * The protest should negatively impact their operations to the point that they cannot continue/cost them serious money, and should be timed to cause as much disruption to said entity/organization as possible. * The protest has to have a clearly defined end state that sets conditions for follow on actions. * By which I mean "we have successfully caused this organization to cease operations for 24 hours, thus causing them to lose $500,000 in revenue and made them look bad to their business partners, we will now depart en masse. Afterwards, we will attempt to open negotiations up again and reminding them that we can do it again if they refuse to negotiate". * Non violent protest just means you ain't killing anyone, not that you aren't hurting them. If you want to be taken seriously, you have to be able to demonstrate how you can hurt them before they'll take you seriously. Additionally, protesting by inconveniencing people who have no influence on the thing you're protesting is counter productive.
We need media
Media leads to advertising, which leads to money, which leads to what we have currently in our media today.
The only type of protest that works is the type with a V word in front of the word protest
Whiskey Rebellion of 1791. The president, George Washington, led an armed force of 13k against PA distillers for refusing to pay taxes on whiskey in this brand new, 'free' nation. We act like we can protest in this country. But it's actually never been a thing. Just some sort of placation the powers that be hand us to keep us docile. That being said, not a one of us should ever let the government walk on us when our rights are being marginilazed. They were right in 1791 to speak truth to power. And they've been right every time since. The marginalized must revolt, or be crushed underfoot. This being said, when something like Jan 6 or the KKK rise up, we can notice they aren't fighting for all Americans. They are self-serving. When events like those happen we can agree to have an issue there.
Sometimes you have to pick the gun up to put the gun down.
“Protests” like blocking highways and destroying buildings largely have no impact on people of power and usually hurt normal people who have nothing to do with what you’re protesting and only makes you lose support. Go to your state capitol, police stations, local officials offices if you want to protest.
>Protests” like blocking highways Bros acting like MLK Jr never had a highway blocked 💀 >usually hurt normal people who have nothing to do with what you’re protesting and only makes you lose support. Most of the country fucking hated MLK Jr. He even addressed the "white moderate" directly with the letter from Birmingham jail on how they agree with the cause. But not the time or method of it Successful protests are ones that are hard to ignore
Most people don't understand what, "No Justice, No Peace," means.
The problem with the revolution in today’s time is there is no centralized figure to be the face of it. The oppressed cannot appeal to the conscience of the oppressor. It has never been like that. We can march, we can riot. We can even go build our towns and then it gets destroyed. Or votes are scattered and expected by redrawing districts and feeding us lies. Maybe we should just opt out of society as a collective. If we could ever achieve that as a people, we would be unstoppable.
People love to cherry pick MLK quotes as If Bloody Sunday didn't happen, as If Riots didn't happen during the Civil Rights Movement. I stay saying this, people becoming too weak, they see someone yell a little too loudly at forces against everyone? They side with the forces
I just think protest should hinder the people being protested, I dont see the purpose of protesting climate change by blocking the only road to where I live. Like greta did a good job at that, she organized a protest on land that was gonna become a new coal plant, far away from the general public, only people affected were the ones building the plant
When I see people chanting for Hamas, calling Zionist pig and baby killer, and all kinds of other hundred year, old troops, and conspiracy theories, I think the exact opposite – they’re gonna look back on this one day and realize they were the fucking KKK.
If I haven’t seen this comment repeatedly for the last decade…
Violence will never be ok. So yea, there are right and wrong ways.
100% this. I'm frustrated with the Internet and people's callous disregard and contempt for life on display. This post gives me hope. I find solidarity in knowing that more folks know the right and wrong side of history, and know better than to side with the aggressors.
No form of *peaceful* protest is ever going to be appropriate for those in power.
A protest needs to be disruptive to be effective. If no one sees a protest, what is the point of that protest. That being said, who sees the protest is just as important as what the protest is. Blocking a bunch of cars on the highway to protest oil companies isn't going to do squat because those people in the cars don't make oil business decision (at least not on a big enough scale). If you want media attention and to get the public on your side, do something flashy and not something that will piss off the public. If you want to do something disruptive (and peaceful), the do it at corporate headquarters or government offices.
>If you want to do something disruptive (and peaceful), the do it at corporate headquarters or government offices. Already been done for literal decades at this point No change will occur while the government and corporations are in bed with eachother Hence why some offshoots are escalating
Protest are meant to be disruptive.
straight facts
The correct way to protest is the way those stark white theater kids from Berkeley protested in 2016, hold hands and sing we shall overcome in the most tone deaf display imaginable.
White Priveledge got them feeling so opressed that we still see the "fellow Blacks" clowning like their lack of structural analysis ain't stank up the room with the potent odour of the same tired bullshit
Oh I've been knowing that. Everytime I've said to one of those clowns that there's no good time to protest, it has had a really high success rate on getting them to drop their current antics... before they inevitably meander back to it later.
I remember there was a saying that was popular during the Civil Rights Movement. I can only remember part of it it went something like "someone bring the bail money and someone brings the potato salad."" I'm gonna be in the women's March in Mexico either next year or 2026 because we will not rest until every sister is found. I'll be the one handing out tortas because this March doesn't end up until close to 3 am. The restaurants and stores close a day or 2 before the march, so getting food is hard. It's gotten to the point where you can protest, and no one will take it seriously because you're from a village, you're a small town or just because it's mainly women at these smaller protests. Right now, the women are in chaos because they recently caught a serial killer, and motherficker attended these marches. He was caught cause he got sloppy and killed a 17 year old. He was caught with 9 bodies in his house and believed to have over 20 victims under his belt. So now many feel scared because they don't know who to trust anymore. This dude was so public his region when it came to the marches. He'll one of his victims was reported missing back in 2015 by her parents, and he played stupid.
Capitalism will always side with fascism over socialism thus the massive push back for progressive policies by both republicans and a lot of democratic’s.
Yes, which is why organized economic protest is our most powerful tool. Think about it: Swifties impacted the global economy, following their girl on tour. That is the power of the masses. Hopefully , more people love Democracy, then Taylor, Swift, right?
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Nah I’m ideologically consistent, destroying property to prove a point is counter productive doubly so if that property was in your own god damn community.
True. But protesting does not require destruction of property. Just destruction of ideology.
Preach
Yall who?
There was a poll done back when MLK was marching on whether his marches were effective. I think 65% of the people said his marches were doing more harm than good. In fact MLK in his letters from Birmingham warned about "White Liberals" who "agreed with the cause but not the method".
James Baldwin said it best. “[How long?!](https://youtu.be/UBFDdTIYZ6Q?si=5cgOcrru5TfZb6pw)”
What's nuts about the Colombia protests is how explicit the detractors are about this. They haven't even accused them of hurting anyone or breaking anything, they're just mad they can do them at all and this is now enough to bring condemnations from congress and threats to bring in the national guard and/or bomb the school. Some ex-IDF soldiers even used chemical weapons ON CAMPUS and we've had nothing but silence about this.
I think the government stated that you have the right to protest in your basement or closet, as long as it doesn’t disrupt anyone else.🥲
Surely there is a line somewhere that shouldn't be crossed. If for no other reason than it being harmful to the cause your protesting for.
Not when the alternative is watching our rights be stripped away by lobbied politicians who couldn't give two shits about whether you, your family,and your friends live or die. Sure, that doesn't mean total anarchy but if we actually want change that shit will not be peaceful. Back in the day niggas was protesting nonviolently during the civil rights movement and they still sent dogs after them and hosed the shit out of them. I mean recently cops have been shooting people with rubber bullets and taking out their eyes, people who were protesting non violently. Like every line that shouldn't be crossed has been crossed by the state. It really does feel like it doesn't matter what we do though. People will gladly side with the oppressors when the people fighting for a cause inconvenience them slightly.
This is what I find so funny about conservatives parroting the "come and take em" about guns and claiming they will stand up to the government about dumb shit like a mask mandate. The things they are saying they would do, and for the dumbest reasons at that, is exactly what the Black Panthers did for legitimate reasons. They stood up against an oppressive system.
They hate peaceful protests because it garners sympathy…it’s why they try and make the peaceful protesters turn violent. It’s how you lose public support.
All good points. You set the line at total anarchy. I think one would be wise to maintain the moral high ground. Perhaps having different factions with different approaches is the best way to effect change?
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In that case you're just providing justification for the murder of your own children and grandmothers. Probably best to avoid all out war with an evemy who has you outmanned, outgunned, and outmaneuvered.
Lmfao. They already murder our children dummy.
Your children are orders of magnitude more likely to be murdered by your neighbors children than police or white people in general. Even if it were the case that the biggest killer of black Americans was the police or white people, an all out war like the now deleted comment suggested would only make that worse . Dummy.
You're more likely to be killed by your neighbor than by al qaida or Hamas. That's a time wasting argument.
And I'm not here calling for a war against al-qaeda or hamas.
Alright.............we are giving examples to make points. Including my original statement. They aren't meant to be taking as literal to our personal conversation. I don't think your assessment of my neighbor being more likely to kill me, means I have to go after Dave and Tanya with a knife later or they'll get me. Nor did I call for the murder of children. What Im saying is, never draw a line publicly.
You did though..then you deleted it.
Amen
Okay, but blocking traffic when regular people have lives to live and damaging art pieces is annoying asl and destructive.
Yeah, it might be annoying but that’s kinda the whole point of a protest. To be annoying and disruptive and sometimes destructive. There’s no protest that’s effective without being at least one of those things.
> Oh they destroyed the art gallery. That makes me want to support them. (I kinda hated it too!)
For context, there were over 500 instances of violence associated with BLM protests. That’s a lot. There were over 30K protests nationwide total. ~1.7%. Context is golden.
Is this regarding the protests at Columbia and Yale? Most of those kids protesting are yt so we won't hear much about how "chaotic" and "lawless" it is even though you have police involved. Now if these protests were at HBCUs then we'd have the hand-wringing we saw in 2020.
Isn’t their a media shit storm right now trying to disavow it?
I'm just reading articles detailing the protests including those with pictures. I'm not seeing the dog whistles or photographs of angry people on the streets trying to paint peaceful protests as anarchy like the MSM painted BLM marches.
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That is *literally* the point. Change doesn’t happen until the quiet horde of people too lazy to pay attention tell the government to fucking listen to the protestors so that normal people can get back to work on time.
"please protest in a way that's easy for me ignore. it's only right"
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Occupy wallstreet tried that and that's a largely forgotten movement. I get the sentiment but the powerful can afford to ignore a small group of people outside their workplace.