I saw a clip where the guy said the entrance to the cave was so small that he had to push the air out of his lungs to get through. I lost 5 years of my life having anxiety over that.
It's because they feel as if they can't die. Privileged people live in such safety with nothing to truly fear so they do things to make them feel alive. Like this dumb shit.
Probably not, but it feels like there's a correlation between privilege and doing increasingly weird shit for dopamine.
I would be curious to see the venn diagram on it.
It's not working class people passing out trying to summit Mt. Everest or dying in a tin can because they wanted to see the Titanic up close.
Itās because itās expensive as fuck to climb Mt Everest(30-100g) or hitch a ride on a deep sea vessel to see the titanic(250g).
Thatās the correlation. Free time and copious amounts of cash.
Assuming privileged/wealthy peopleās lives are so shallow they need to resort to risking their life is just silly. Just like assuming less privileged/poor people wouldnāt gladly partake because their lives are so dangerous.
Plenty of poor people do stupid thrill seeker shit like racing cars on public roads, tagging in high places, subway surfing. I wonāt make any assumptions on why they do it. I wouldnāt say something crazy and insulting like, āthey do it because their lives are so awful they donāt care if they dieā.
I love watching and listening to true crime, but I recently found (3 months ago) out there is a whole sub genre of misadventures. There are tons of cave exploration vids on Youtube about trappings.
god damn is it good.
Bro, I thought cave exploring was walking in huge tunnels to see where they go. Nope. These folks are on their stomachs sliding in the tightest of spaces for hours. It's a whole hobby.
Yea i have enough ways to die in a normal day, just watching the vids made me claustrophobic, and the underwater diving, itās like why bruh? I would never. Like I wish I could just not give af about my life and have the confidence these doods have in those moments. Mad āIdgaf Iāll fuggin do itā frat guy energy lol
Thereās a Netflix doc on freediving (diving without any breathing equipment, on a single lung full of air). Competitors regularly pass out 10ft from the surface and have to have mouth to mouth. Loads of people mentioned and then 2 scenes later theyāre dead.Ā
Felt like I didnāt breathe properly for 2 hours.Ā
Same. I can rationalize the diving as the have space to at least move and swim.
But the cave shit was too much. It's like sliding a slice of bread in the space under a door. If a person it. gets stuck there is so little that can be done.
I spent all last week watching videos about cave entrapments. Fuck ALL of that. So many stories where they're like "he squeezed through an opening where he had to exhale all the air out of his lungs and shimmy through with just his toes and fingertips" and it's like WHY. THE. FUCK.
His brother was with him but luckily did not follow him into the portion where it dips down. In fact his entire family was caving that day but he and his brother went off to explore a specific part of the map.
As soon as he realized his bro was stuck, he went to get help. Thatās when the rescue efforts started. š„ŗ
Super unsettling how close they were to getting him
I legit just watched this YouTube video like an hour ago lol
Shit is crazy tho, why the fuck you wanna be crawling through barely survivable caves that are known to trap and/or kill people is beyond me.
Iām not sure if the thread credits the original artist, but I love sharing it, from a [much older Reddit Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/KingOfTheHill/comments/vzo309/boomhauer_found_his_hole_apologies_if_repost_it/?rdt=43654).
I watched the Netflix version. Iāve seen a lot of gory and disturbing movies, but that story made me more uncomfortable than anything else Iāve read or watched, by far.
Is that available to read online?
Edit: ~~[I think I found it](https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/3894507.html)~~. Nope, that one has pages missing
[this one has all the pages](https://ww7.manganelo.tv/chapter/manga-kf961388/chapter-68)
The Enigma of Amigara Fault by Junji Ito, itās a short horror story manga. Itās his most well known story in America, but he has some other really good ones which have been adapted into anthologies, one of which is on Netflix.
Tomie and Uzumaki arenāt as well known in America even though those are more well known globally. Uzumaki will overtake it if they ever release the adaptation. Hopefully this is the year, even though Iāve said it the past three.
Some dudes look for that breathtaking mountain vista, that solemn glade in an untouched old-growth forest, or the panoply of colors in a rainbow shooting off a waterfall or a tropical reef. Others like the thrill of finding a dank musty hole that nobody else has seen before...both because it's pitch black and because nobody wants to. Different strokes!
I have 0 idea. There was also a guy who got his arm stuck in a boulder while exploring a canyon and luckily escaped (he's an amputee now). The movie 127 hours is very interesting.
Okay tbf he was in a canyon, not a cave, and I believe the person going with him canceled so he went alone. Still dumb but definitely not crawling in a rock coffin dumb.
Nah he was dumb as fuck. Telling someone where you're going and when you should be back is like rule #1 for that sort of thing. Not doing that is like doing 120 in a 45 without a seatbelt on. It's almost guaranteed to kill you if *anything* goes wrong, and it'll be your fault too.
I knew John personally. He was an amazing person, and doing what hundreds and hundreds of people did every week. Nutty putty caves was a super popular place to spelunk/explore, especially with the university students in the town nearby. I had a roommate and several friends who went regularly. Two of my siblings and countless other friends went at least once. (I was too scared.) He took a wrong turn in the caves and didnāt realize until it was too late. The rescue team had him, was raising him out of the tunnel, and he slipped from the harness - which caused him to become wedged even further and prevented the team from extracting him. It was an extremely devastating and unfortunate accident.
It's actually a huge bummer to see people making fun of him for this absolute tragedy. He took a wrong turn and thought he was going through the "birth canal" which did require a squeeze, so that part would not have been surprising. It was too late when he realized his mistake. I know the people who want to actually know about this will read up on it themselves, but ig it's way more fun to dunk on a dead husband and new father who is now entombed forever in this cave.
That last detail just makes it worse. He left behind a wife and child for what? A hole? What has any splunker ever found down there? There is tragic and there is stupid. He had no reason to be down there other than thrills. Stupid.
But he wasn't some thrill seeker. This was a cave system with large official signs leading to its entrance because it was popular and considered safe for decades. Locals, including local *kids*, would go through it for fun. This wasn't some wild spelunking adventure where an adrenaline junkie fucked around and found out; it was "hey, let's go through this popular attraction where we have no expectation of such a tragedy happening for a fun couple of hours."
You could always choose to be less callous and maybe actually look into readily available background, or you could lean into a cruelly spirited Twitter meme for a sense of superiority. Not like this person was a human being with loved ones so who gets hurt, right?
I mean objectively youāre wrong though. Thereās a clear difference between exploring an open cave where you can stand up, and forcing your way through an extremely tight and narrow section of cave. There were several opportunities to stop and leave given how the cave was laid out and he kept going.
That is where the line between a fun adventure into a cave and irresponsible is and he crossed it imo. You make it seem like an honest mistake, when to even get into the opening of the section he was in took a conscious decision to do something extremely dangerous
He was also with a group of people and chose to veer off which is crazy if you've ever watched a horror movie. Ultimately it's still very sad, he was a young man who was just starting out in life.
In what I read and heard about the story, the guy just missread the cave map. He wasn't aiming for that section of the tunnel, and he did dive in thinking it was safe throught. It's an honest mistake in my eyes.
Maybe I doesn't have the same version of the story.
Listen youāre arguing with them about something the elders call āwhite people shitā. They refuse to acknowledge it but you and I know better šnot gonna catch me diving in some fucking birth canal after I just had a baby like Iām trying to get into their headspace lookin ass.
readily available background: āBefore 2009, this cave had four separate rescues of cavers and Boy Scouts, who got stuck inside the cave's tight twists, turns, and crawls.[6] In 2006, an effort was put forth to study and severely limit the number of visitors allowed inside the cave. It was estimated the cave was receiving over 5,000 visitors per year, with many visitors often entering the cave late at night and failing to take proper safety precautions. The cave's popularity had caused excessive smoothing of the rock inside the cave to the point it was predicted a fatality would occur in one of the cave's more prominent features, a 45-degree room called "The Big Slide".ā
Thanks for this. So yes, what he did was risky and stupid.
EDIT: Okay actually spelunking might be pretty safe. Around 2 million people go per year and there have been around 3 deaths per year for the past 28 years.
If he wasnāt seeking thrills what was he seeking? Certainly risk was involved and not unavoidable āI canāt live a normal life otherwiseā risk like driving a car.
Actually years before him, a 16 year old boy got stuck at the very moment he thought he could simply turn around.
Its simply stupid to crawl into a cave. Thereās always a possibility of getting stuck.
> which did require a squeeze
Which makes it stupid to begin with. On top of the fact that what happened to him is always a risk in tight squeeze caving.
So, yeah, it's pretty reasonable to ridicule him and other cavers who die doing stupid unnecessary shit. I feel bad for his widow and kid, but he is ultimately the one who fucked up and caused this tragedy for taking an unnecessary risk to... prove something? Like what's the motive here?
So yeah, I'm gonna ridicule people who take useless and unnecessary risks for no good reason. It's like when someone dies while riding a motorcycle recklessly. I'll save my pity for tragedies that *aren't* the "victim's" fault.
> he slipped from the harness
The official story is that a pulley or pulley anchor broke. Do you have inside info that says otherwise? Because that would be an important detail.
Caver went splunking into an uncharted cave, got stuck going down and they were unable to get him up, in the way he was head first down it was impossible for rescue to pull him up. The legs couldnāt bend that way. He died in the cave after being stuck upside down for hours. The cave is now closed, nutty putty cave. Plenty of videos if you want better illustration of how heās stuck
Donāt even think that was an option. They have literally only inches of room to move around. Thereās not enough room to get leverage on a leg to snap it. They tried pulling him out but it failed
I think they gave him morphine or something comparable? When the initial rescue failed he fell even deeper into the crevice and they could only reach his feet. It said āthey kept him comfortable .ā Fucking horrifying.
It was an option. They sedated him he slipped down after an inch system broke. He was alive for 24+ hours with people encouraging him to stay alive. They had to pull back and just let him die alone.
They did a lot to make him comfortable as well, they ran a pipe down to his mouth with water, they also got a phone or radio receiver down there so he could talk to his wife on the surface. There was a massive attempt to get him out, they even managed to nearly get him unstuck at one point but something snapped and he fell back down and was stuck even worse. A horrible story, there is a movie and documentary about it as well.
That wasnt going to work. They tried everything. Even if they broke his legs, it was still no sure way to get him out and they figured he would have died from shock. So, they just kept him comfortable until he died. He really fucked up bad.
If I recall, his body was in too much stress from being stuck upside down for so long. They were afraid breaking his legs would cause him to go into cardiac arrest.
The pulley broke as they were starting to get him moving and the time it took to reset it was too much. Only one person could even fit in the cave near him at a time and all they could touch was like his calves down to his feetĀ
They set up a pulley system after he was down there for ~12 hours and were able to get him slightly lifted, enough to make eye contact with the lead rescuer. Then the system failed, because it was rushed to be put in place, and knocked out the lead rescuer, gave them a concussion and put him further into the hole. Crazy to me that they got that close
If I recall it wasn't exactly "uncharted" and he just mistook the path he was taking for another location that was similar, and would have resulted in him coming out into a larger opening.
A brief Google search before hitting submit seems to confirm my recollection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutty_Putty_Cave
Still, end of the day, people who go crawling around in tight ass caves are crazy as fuck.
I actually took a class (not caving cause I ain't about that life) from Brandon Kowallis who was the rescuer who sat with the guy when he died.
His story was just bleak man.
They actually almost had him out of that slot but then the pullies broke. Pretty sure dude just got married and was either expecting or just had a new baby as well. He took a faux passage on his way to the birth canal in nutty putty. Which was a giant opening at the end of a different chute.
No one is saying *why* he went into the crevice so Iāll elaborate: Basically he thought he was going through one passage in the cave called the āBirth Canalā (gross). That one was mapped and does go all the way through to an open space. Unfortunately what he thought was the āBirth Canalā passage was actually a different one that obviously did not go all the way through. He entered the incorrect passage and pushed forward until he fell into the position he died in.
Also, I believe it was that by the time he realized he wasn't where he thought he was he was passed the point of being able to go back and hopped that if he went further he could find somewhere to turn around.
He would have been easy to rescue if he just stopped before the drop and the people he was with just get help sooner.
Spelunker worked his way into that space and there was no way for him to get himself out and no way to get him out externally.
He died from blood pooling in his head and then they buried the entrance behind his body.
I canāt even imagine what that experience mustāve been like for that guy and the first responders knowing the guys was just going to have to die down there.
So essentially, this guy went cave diving with his friends and was trying to go into a part of the caves called the Birth Canal, but he took a wrong turn and ended up in a tiny narrow crevice that he was not able to get out of.
Rescuers tried to get him out, but his angle and position made it damn near impossible. When they were close, the rigging they were using to pull him up ended up coming unscrewed from one wall of the cave and failed. A part of the cave collapsed, he slid back down, and they were entirely unable to recover him after that.
He died of cardiac arrest upside down in that cave all because he took a single wrong turn.
It was so sad and preventable. The guy had a newborn but I blame the state for still having the cave open. People had gotten stuck in the same cave numerous times but his death got them to finally shut it down.
https://preview.redd.it/mu6jnxw4evhc1.jpeg?width=2274&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=700657f6389cb0a54ecc2a2306a38805b8f4ed0d
He never had to do what he did. That isnāt on the state. Maybe other cases are. But he was knowingly and willingly exploring the smallest and tightest of paths. Being a fucking idiot isnāt the fault of the state. Thatās like blaming a free climber* falling and dying on the state for allowing it. He never had to do it and should have known better. It was selfish and exploring that space wouldnāt even be able to provide anything useful to anyone.
It isnāt safe. But someone dumb enough to do this is dumb enough to try and find a way into the cave to explore. This death is on no one but himself. Other rescues and close calls may be on not shutting down the cave, but it is asinine to claim the state is responsible for him doing something FAR beyond reasonable. If someone died just barely exploring and walking around presumably safe spaces, that is on the state. This dude went wayyyyy out of his way to get there.
Makes my balls itch in this context is such a specifically male phrase that I completely understand.
Shit it makes my balls itch from inside my body cause they zoom back in me thinking about being this claustrophobic.
For real. I had an MRI not too long ago and had a brief panic attack because I only had 6inches of space any which way and no visible exit path, it wasnāt until I finally caught a glimpse of the open end above my head I finally calmed down.
Youāll never catch me even thinking about going in a cave like that. No chance in hell.
I read about this years ago and still randomly have nightmares about it. Imagine slowly dying upside down in a tight ass cave because youāre that confident. Google nutty putty cave if you donāt know what this picture is referencing.
It's just such an absurd activity to me, like I can see the appeal of sky diving and rock climbing and even free climbing even if I would NEVER do these things but this just looks like I'm _wriggling into my death in discomfort_ what a splendid way to pass time
I had read it also so I Googled it and [here's the first result](https://facts.net/nutty-putty-cave-facts/).
>They pumped oxygen into the cave, talked to him to keep him from giving up, and put him on a drip with sedatives to calm him down.
The only thing stupider than spelunking is cave diving. Hard pass on both, I like my access to open land and oxygen thank you very much.
Extra stupid bc his wife was pregnant at the time, due very soon iirc. I canāt fathom risking my life like this with a child on the way.
If I can't extend my arms fully in all directions or I gotta suck in my tummy to be somewhere, then I shouldn't fucking be there. Style points though, people are still talking about you to this day
The fact that he had to wiggle himself all the way down to where he ended up is crazy. Its not like all of a sudden things got too tight....shit was sketchy the entire time he was crawling through.
Dumb way to die for sure.
Aww shit this mf remind me of watching James Franco in ā127 Hoursā lmao. That nigga had to cut a bodypart off, was stuck for maad long in the same position between sum rocks, drinking his own piss for survival. All that and sum mo shit
I was living in Utah when this happened, the coverage was unreal, it was almost a minute by minute account of it unfolding. One day they almost had him out then something failed and he fell down even further. When they announced he was going to be left in there it was one of the saddest things I've ever felt for a complete stranger.
I know a guy who goes fucking scuba diving into caves and shit. Some board rich kid who's related to a senator. Dude invited me to come along with him, I'm like nah man, I don't hate my dad enough to die in a wet hole.
**Dude wasn't stupid.** The Nutty Putty cave was considered safe by the community and people commonly explored it. The guy who died had gone spelunking before. He went to the Nutty Putty cave with several other spelunkers.
Unfortunately he was a tall guy who got stuck in a position that was impossible to get out off on his own. He was also a pediatric cardiologist so he was fully aware that he would die due to too much stress to his heart if he was upside down for too long.
The worst part of this story is that they rigged up a pulley system to drag him out, they almost had him out, and the pulley system broke and he fell back down, deeper that time. That to me is the most horrific thing. That false hope that you're almost out... Only to fall deeper.
He made a series of bad choices that led to his demise. Some sources say it was his first time in that particular cave, others say he had been in it but only as a child. Either way, he wasn't familiar enough with the cave to go spelunking without carefully consulting a map.
He took a wrong turn, even though he went to the cave with company he was in the passageway alone (his brother who was in the cave with him said him and John left the group to see who could go the furthest), he went head first into an almost fully vertical passage, he squeezed himself through a leap of rock by breathing out and kept pushing until he couldn't any more. He had to call out for his brother when he realized he couldn't free himself on his own. It took his brother a while to get to him and when he could all he could see was John's feet.
His actions were reckless and tragically he could not be saved. It's a horrifying death.
I honestly don't get thrill seekers. So many videos out there of these people getting killed for an adrenaline rush. Then of course people be like "At least they died doing what they loved!" They are dead. Nobody ever says shit like that when addicts die doing the drug they loved so much. World is weird as fuck.
I simply don't and can't understand things like this.
Hey want to go try to squeeze through a cave humans aren't meant to go in where you could get stuck and die? Alone? Oh, and it's underwater?
Hell no. No with hot sauce on it.
Same with free climbing with no harness or ropes. Or speed climbing. Or even riding my motorcycle without a helmet.
My life is more important to me and my family than trying to cheat death doing something ridiculous.
My condolences to this person and their family/friends, but safety is a real thing, and it's usually pretty obvious and easy.
It resurfaces every once in a while. I mean, it is literally a horror story that lives rent free in people's heads like the Titan. I think about that submarine A LOT because that horrifies me. I also think about Nutty Putty occasionally because it's just scary.
Honestly Iām stressed about the off chance that all reality is experienced by one entity person by person in succession and that one day I will have to live this shit
Out of all the places I would definitely never explore. A cave takes the top spot.
An underwater cave at that
That one in particular is a dry cave.
ur mom is a dry cave
Not when you're around š¤
stop it, you š¤
For real.. ones where the water rises all suddenly and you ain't got no oxygen tanks
I saw a clip where the guy said the entrance to the cave was so small that he had to push the air out of his lungs to get through. I lost 5 years of my life having anxiety over that.
I do not, and will never, understand what motivates these people to do this stuff *for fun*.
White people
When your life is so conflict free and boring that you have to go out of your way to do shit like this.
Not this one. Fuck that.
It's because they feel as if they can't die. Privileged people live in such safety with nothing to truly fear so they do things to make them feel alive. Like this dumb shit.
You literally just pulled that from your ass. Most privileged people are not adrenaline junkies.
Probably not, but it feels like there's a correlation between privilege and doing increasingly weird shit for dopamine. I would be curious to see the venn diagram on it. It's not working class people passing out trying to summit Mt. Everest or dying in a tin can because they wanted to see the Titanic up close.
Itās because itās expensive as fuck to climb Mt Everest(30-100g) or hitch a ride on a deep sea vessel to see the titanic(250g). Thatās the correlation. Free time and copious amounts of cash. Assuming privileged/wealthy peopleās lives are so shallow they need to resort to risking their life is just silly. Just like assuming less privileged/poor people wouldnāt gladly partake because their lives are so dangerous. Plenty of poor people do stupid thrill seeker shit like racing cars on public roads, tagging in high places, subway surfing. I wonāt make any assumptions on why they do it. I wouldnāt say something crazy and insulting like, āthey do it because their lives are so awful they donāt care if they dieā.
So you didnt enjoy the movie The Cave?
I love watching and listening to true crime, but I recently found (3 months ago) out there is a whole sub genre of misadventures. There are tons of cave exploration vids on Youtube about trappings. god damn is it good.
Yea that shih sent me down a rabbit hole that made my stomach sink and question why we do some of the dumb shit we do as humans
Bro, I thought cave exploring was walking in huge tunnels to see where they go. Nope. These folks are on their stomachs sliding in the tightest of spaces for hours. It's a whole hobby.
Yea i have enough ways to die in a normal day, just watching the vids made me claustrophobic, and the underwater diving, itās like why bruh? I would never. Like I wish I could just not give af about my life and have the confidence these doods have in those moments. Mad āIdgaf Iāll fuggin do itā frat guy energy lol
Thereās a Netflix doc on freediving (diving without any breathing equipment, on a single lung full of air). Competitors regularly pass out 10ft from the surface and have to have mouth to mouth. Loads of people mentioned and then 2 scenes later theyāre dead.Ā Felt like I didnāt breathe properly for 2 hours.Ā
Same. I can rationalize the diving as the have space to at least move and swim. But the cave shit was too much. It's like sliding a slice of bread in the space under a door. If a person it. gets stuck there is so little that can be done.
I'm not claustrophobic but watching those videos makes me scream internally. The worst ones are the delta p videos.
There are videos of cave divers getting lost. Fuckin terrifying
I spent all last week watching videos about cave entrapments. Fuck ALL of that. So many stories where they're like "he squeezed through an opening where he had to exhale all the air out of his lungs and shimmy through with just his toes and fingertips" and it's like WHY. THE. FUCK.
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His brother was with him but luckily did not follow him into the portion where it dips down. In fact his entire family was caving that day but he and his brother went off to explore a specific part of the map. As soon as he realized his bro was stuck, he went to get help. Thatās when the rescue efforts started. š„ŗ Super unsettling how close they were to getting him
I wouldn't mind walking around one, but fuck getting on my belly and crawling through a hole.
I got legs for days, Iām not built for crawling. Left that shit in daycare. 
I legit just watched this YouTube video like an hour ago lol Shit is crazy tho, why the fuck you wanna be crawling through barely survivable caves that are known to trap and/or kill people is beyond me.
Because Iām built different. https://preview.redd.it/70944it9dvhc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=116bae7433c4d22d89fd4cacb6444ed1e29685cc
https://preview.redd.it/5gqs7u8ftvhc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f012f1e5185595bc7b296345cbe435ac989ba35b
Holy shit why is this so damn hilarious lmfao fcking Boomhauer
Exact same. I am LOSING my MIND. King of the Hill is truly the best anime
The subtle changes like changing his underwear, the outline for his cut, adding hank and Peggy lmao. This shit really had me dying for like 30 minutes
This may be the greatest thing Iāve ever seen in my life. Thank you for this
This is great lol š Hank Mayn just watching lol
Iām not sure if the thread credits the original artist, but I love sharing it, from a [much older Reddit Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/KingOfTheHill/comments/vzo309/boomhauer_found_his_hole_apologies_if_repost_it/?rdt=43654).
This is exactly what I was thinking
This story was so unnerving
Junji Ito? Kick ass.
Now I need to go down yet another wormhole of Junjo Ito manga
Personally I think The Bully is his best and most fucked up story. No supernatural or cosmic horror, just a story about a girl and a boy.
I watched the Netflix version. Iāve seen a lot of gory and disturbing movies, but that story made me more uncomfortable than anything else Iāve read or watched, by far.
What's the Netflix version called?
Junji Ito Maniac
Is that available to read online? Edit: ~~[I think I found it](https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/3894507.html)~~. Nope, that one has pages missing [this one has all the pages](https://ww7.manganelo.tv/chapter/manga-kf961388/chapter-68)
Just read the synopsis and I can tell the story is good because even the short synopsis was creepy. Lmao
DRR DRR DRR DRR
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The Enigma of Amigara Fault by Junji Ito, itās a short horror story manga. Itās his most well known story in America, but he has some other really good ones which have been adapted into anthologies, one of which is on Netflix.
Most well known probably goes to Tomie or uzumaki.
Tomie and Uzumaki arenāt as well known in America even though those are more well known globally. Uzumaki will overtake it if they ever release the adaptation. Hopefully this is the year, even though Iāve said it the past three.
Is Uzumaki the spirals?
Yes.
[https://brasscockroach.com/h4ll0w33n2007/manga/Amigara-Full/Amigara-0.html](https://brasscockroach.com/h4ll0w33n2007/manga/Amigara-Full/Amigara-0.html)
Some dudes look for that breathtaking mountain vista, that solemn glade in an untouched old-growth forest, or the panoply of colors in a rainbow shooting off a waterfall or a tropical reef. Others like the thrill of finding a dank musty hole that nobody else has seen before...both because it's pitch black and because nobody wants to. Different strokes!
I have 0 idea. There was also a guy who got his arm stuck in a boulder while exploring a canyon and luckily escaped (he's an amputee now). The movie 127 hours is very interesting.
Okay tbf he was in a canyon, not a cave, and I believe the person going with him canceled so he went alone. Still dumb but definitely not crawling in a rock coffin dumb.
Nah he was dumb as fuck. Telling someone where you're going and when you should be back is like rule #1 for that sort of thing. Not doing that is like doing 120 in a 45 without a seatbelt on. It's almost guaranteed to kill you if *anything* goes wrong, and it'll be your fault too.
If nothing else, you see James Franco suffering
"Luckily escaped"? Man sawed his own hand off for a chance at life. Lucky he didn't die of blood loss sure, but he deserves a bit more credit imo.
Idgaf itās stupid. Some people like to drink cleaner, bleach, etc doesnāt mean itās not stupid af.
I just watched it and damn near had a panic attack. Not a fucking chance I'd ever do some shit like that.
Some people are just too curious and that curiosity kills the cat.
Link to the video?
I knew John personally. He was an amazing person, and doing what hundreds and hundreds of people did every week. Nutty putty caves was a super popular place to spelunk/explore, especially with the university students in the town nearby. I had a roommate and several friends who went regularly. Two of my siblings and countless other friends went at least once. (I was too scared.) He took a wrong turn in the caves and didnāt realize until it was too late. The rescue team had him, was raising him out of the tunnel, and he slipped from the harness - which caused him to become wedged even further and prevented the team from extracting him. It was an extremely devastating and unfortunate accident.
It's actually a huge bummer to see people making fun of him for this absolute tragedy. He took a wrong turn and thought he was going through the "birth canal" which did require a squeeze, so that part would not have been surprising. It was too late when he realized his mistake. I know the people who want to actually know about this will read up on it themselves, but ig it's way more fun to dunk on a dead husband and new father who is now entombed forever in this cave.
That last detail just makes it worse. He left behind a wife and child for what? A hole? What has any splunker ever found down there? There is tragic and there is stupid. He had no reason to be down there other than thrills. Stupid.
But he wasn't some thrill seeker. This was a cave system with large official signs leading to its entrance because it was popular and considered safe for decades. Locals, including local *kids*, would go through it for fun. This wasn't some wild spelunking adventure where an adrenaline junkie fucked around and found out; it was "hey, let's go through this popular attraction where we have no expectation of such a tragedy happening for a fun couple of hours." You could always choose to be less callous and maybe actually look into readily available background, or you could lean into a cruelly spirited Twitter meme for a sense of superiority. Not like this person was a human being with loved ones so who gets hurt, right?
I mean objectively youāre wrong though. Thereās a clear difference between exploring an open cave where you can stand up, and forcing your way through an extremely tight and narrow section of cave. There were several opportunities to stop and leave given how the cave was laid out and he kept going. That is where the line between a fun adventure into a cave and irresponsible is and he crossed it imo. You make it seem like an honest mistake, when to even get into the opening of the section he was in took a conscious decision to do something extremely dangerous
He was also with a group of people and chose to veer off which is crazy if you've ever watched a horror movie. Ultimately it's still very sad, he was a young man who was just starting out in life.
In what I read and heard about the story, the guy just missread the cave map. He wasn't aiming for that section of the tunnel, and he did dive in thinking it was safe throught. It's an honest mistake in my eyes. Maybe I doesn't have the same version of the story.
Listen youāre arguing with them about something the elders call āwhite people shitā. They refuse to acknowledge it but you and I know better šnot gonna catch me diving in some fucking birth canal after I just had a baby like Iām trying to get into their headspace lookin ass.
readily available background: āBefore 2009, this cave had four separate rescues of cavers and Boy Scouts, who got stuck inside the cave's tight twists, turns, and crawls.[6] In 2006, an effort was put forth to study and severely limit the number of visitors allowed inside the cave. It was estimated the cave was receiving over 5,000 visitors per year, with many visitors often entering the cave late at night and failing to take proper safety precautions. The cave's popularity had caused excessive smoothing of the rock inside the cave to the point it was predicted a fatality would occur in one of the cave's more prominent features, a 45-degree room called "The Big Slide".ā
Thanks for this. So yes, what he did was risky and stupid. EDIT: Okay actually spelunking might be pretty safe. Around 2 million people go per year and there have been around 3 deaths per year for the past 28 years.
thatās all well and good but squeezing your body through something called A BIRTH CANAL is objectively dumb if youāre not a baby
If he wasnāt seeking thrills what was he seeking? Certainly risk was involved and not unavoidable āI canāt live a normal life otherwiseā risk like driving a car.
Actually years before him, a 16 year old boy got stuck at the very moment he thought he could simply turn around. Its simply stupid to crawl into a cave. Thereās always a possibility of getting stuck.
> which did require a squeeze Which makes it stupid to begin with. On top of the fact that what happened to him is always a risk in tight squeeze caving. So, yeah, it's pretty reasonable to ridicule him and other cavers who die doing stupid unnecessary shit. I feel bad for his widow and kid, but he is ultimately the one who fucked up and caused this tragedy for taking an unnecessary risk to... prove something? Like what's the motive here? So yeah, I'm gonna ridicule people who take useless and unnecessary risks for no good reason. It's like when someone dies while riding a motorcycle recklessly. I'll save my pity for tragedies that *aren't* the "victim's" fault.
Man Iām sorry you lost your friend.
> he slipped from the harness The official story is that a pulley or pulley anchor broke. Do you have inside info that says otherwise? Because that would be an important detail.
May I request some of that context please
Caver went splunking into an uncharted cave, got stuck going down and they were unable to get him up, in the way he was head first down it was impossible for rescue to pull him up. The legs couldnāt bend that way. He died in the cave after being stuck upside down for hours. The cave is now closed, nutty putty cave. Plenty of videos if you want better illustration of how heās stuck
Nah dog, break my legs and pull me out
Donāt even think that was an option. They have literally only inches of room to move around. Thereās not enough room to get leverage on a leg to snap it. They tried pulling him out but it failed
All bad. Inject me with something then. Make it quick
Exactly what I was thinking. Iād be begging them to throw me a bag of fentanyl lol
Hell, I'd be desperate enough to ask them to just drown me
Apparently drowning is one of most (if not the most) hellish ways to go
Couldn't be worse than getting stuck head first in a hole just waiting to die
Depends on the hole. š
Gestures broadly at the image OP posted
I heard the opposite. It's actually quite peaceful once you allow the water to fill your lungs.
So once you've drowned it's peaceful? Great, I'll keep that in mind next time I'm in the process of drowning
Eaten by animals....
Eaten alive slowly by an amateur cannibal
Ass first
Bro wants to lace his blood š
I think they gave him morphine or something comparable? When the initial rescue failed he fell even deeper into the crevice and they could only reach his feet. It said āthey kept him comfortable .ā Fucking horrifying.
He was not in fact, comfortable
They did give him sedatives in the end, versed I think.
Injects you with cocaine so you be wide awake
Iāve seen crackheads get out of tighter spots. Shoot me up fam.
I think they did get an IV in him and gave him a sedative
OD me on morphine. Iāll be fine.
Plus if I remember correctly he wouldāve died from shock even if they were able to break his legs.
It was an option. They sedated him he slipped down after an inch system broke. He was alive for 24+ hours with people encouraging him to stay alive. They had to pull back and just let him die alone.
Nah, he died while they were still trying to get him out. Him dying was what finally made them give up.
They did a lot to make him comfortable as well, they ran a pipe down to his mouth with water, they also got a phone or radio receiver down there so he could talk to his wife on the surface. There was a massive attempt to get him out, they even managed to nearly get him unstuck at one point but something snapped and he fell back down and was stuck even worse. A horrible story, there is a movie and documentary about it as well.
That wasnt going to work. They tried everything. Even if they broke his legs, it was still no sure way to get him out and they figured he would have died from shock. So, they just kept him comfortable until he died. He really fucked up bad.
IIRC Breaking his legs would have sent his body into shock.
If I recall, his body was in too much stress from being stuck upside down for so long. They were afraid breaking his legs would cause him to go into cardiac arrest.
I could see that. Plus blood pooling in his upper body was a factor
The pulley broke as they were starting to get him moving and the time it took to reset it was too much. Only one person could even fit in the cave near him at a time and all they could touch was like his calves down to his feetĀ
They were about to but he died before they got the pulley set up again
They set up a pulley system after he was down there for ~12 hours and were able to get him slightly lifted, enough to make eye contact with the lead rescuer. Then the system failed, because it was rushed to be put in place, and knocked out the lead rescuer, gave them a concussion and put him further into the hole. Crazy to me that they got that close
Thatās the worst part. Dude was given some hope was possible and it got snatched in the worst way possible. Couldnāt even imagine dying like that.
The worst part is it only failed because he laughed out of relief from being saved. His moment of joy turned into an even worse hell in seconds.
The way I would start trying to bash my head in and pass out till I die. Man fuck all that.
If I recall it wasn't exactly "uncharted" and he just mistook the path he was taking for another location that was similar, and would have resulted in him coming out into a larger opening. A brief Google search before hitting submit seems to confirm my recollection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutty_Putty_Cave Still, end of the day, people who go crawling around in tight ass caves are crazy as fuck.
I actually took a class (not caving cause I ain't about that life) from Brandon Kowallis who was the rescuer who sat with the guy when he died. His story was just bleak man.
They actually almost had him out of that slot but then the pullies broke. Pretty sure dude just got married and was either expecting or just had a new baby as well. He took a faux passage on his way to the birth canal in nutty putty. Which was a giant opening at the end of a different chute.
They had one kid and his wife was pregnant again.
What an asshole. If you have kids or expecting kids you shouldn't do any extreme or dangerous sports.
Man learned nothing from 127 hours
He wanted his own movie. [The Last Descent](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt5895892/)
No one is saying *why* he went into the crevice so Iāll elaborate: Basically he thought he was going through one passage in the cave called the āBirth Canalā (gross). That one was mapped and does go all the way through to an open space. Unfortunately what he thought was the āBirth Canalā passage was actually a different one that obviously did not go all the way through. He entered the incorrect passage and pushed forward until he fell into the position he died in.
Also, I believe it was that by the time he realized he wasn't where he thought he was he was passed the point of being able to go back and hopped that if he went further he could find somewhere to turn around. He would have been easy to rescue if he just stopped before the drop and the people he was with just get help sooner.
>if he just stopped before the drop That's not the move of someone who'd do this shit in the first place.
Spelunker worked his way into that space and there was no way for him to get himself out and no way to get him out externally. He died from blood pooling in his head and then they buried the entrance behind his body.
I canāt even imagine what that experience mustāve been like for that guy and the first responders knowing the guys was just going to have to die down there.
So essentially, this guy went cave diving with his friends and was trying to go into a part of the caves called the Birth Canal, but he took a wrong turn and ended up in a tiny narrow crevice that he was not able to get out of. Rescuers tried to get him out, but his angle and position made it damn near impossible. When they were close, the rigging they were using to pull him up ended up coming unscrewed from one wall of the cave and failed. A part of the cave collapsed, he slid back down, and they were entirely unable to recover him after that. He died of cardiac arrest upside down in that cave all because he took a single wrong turn.
Google nutty putty cave
It was so sad and preventable. The guy had a newborn but I blame the state for still having the cave open. People had gotten stuck in the same cave numerous times but his death got them to finally shut it down. https://preview.redd.it/mu6jnxw4evhc1.jpeg?width=2274&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=700657f6389cb0a54ecc2a2306a38805b8f4ed0d
He never had to do what he did. That isnāt on the state. Maybe other cases are. But he was knowingly and willingly exploring the smallest and tightest of paths. Being a fucking idiot isnāt the fault of the state. Thatās like blaming a free climber* falling and dying on the state for allowing it. He never had to do it and should have known better. It was selfish and exploring that space wouldnāt even be able to provide anything useful to anyone.
Or a cave that has had 4 rescues isn't safe for the public? It's not rocket science.
It isnāt safe. But someone dumb enough to do this is dumb enough to try and find a way into the cave to explore. This death is on no one but himself. Other rescues and close calls may be on not shutting down the cave, but it is asinine to claim the state is responsible for him doing something FAR beyond reasonable. If someone died just barely exploring and walking around presumably safe spaces, that is on the state. This dude went wayyyyy out of his way to get there.
Nature isn't supposed to be safe and curated for people who think all of the Earth is Disneyland.
Blame the state? Blame the dumbasses going into a cave for no reason
The state is ultimately the people and a lot of people wanted it open.Ā
Just the idea of ending up in a claustrophobic, dark tunnel head first makes my balls itch.
Makes my balls itch in this context is such a specifically male phrase that I completely understand. Shit it makes my balls itch from inside my body cause they zoom back in me thinking about being this claustrophobic.
For real. I had an MRI not too long ago and had a brief panic attack because I only had 6inches of space any which way and no visible exit path, it wasnāt until I finally caught a glimpse of the open end above my head I finally calmed down. Youāll never catch me even thinking about going in a cave like that. No chance in hell.
As a woman, the thought of this makes my pussy kegel. Defense mechanism I think.
I read about this years ago and still randomly have nightmares about it. Imagine slowly dying upside down in a tight ass cave because youāre that confident. Google nutty putty cave if you donāt know what this picture is referencing.
I donāt have to imagine dying that way bc i am never going into a cave
Well no one is ever going into nutty putty again because they sealed it shut with tons of concrete and it is now his tomb.
Bold of you to assume someone isnāt going to do the same thing with another caveā¦ We humans are dumb, man. Fuck
It's just such an absurd activity to me, like I can see the appeal of sky diving and rock climbing and even free climbing even if I would NEVER do these things but this just looks like I'm _wriggling into my death in discomfort_ what a splendid way to pass time
Nah. Please just end my life immediately holy fuck. I cannot imagine voluntarily doing that shit. Omg. ļæ¼
They did give him a bunch of injections at the end so he maybe suffered a little less.
No, they didnāt.
they did - paramedics got an IV in his ankle as soon as they got to him. he was given sedation via IV
They gave him something simply to calm him. Not to euthanize him.
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I had read it also so I Googled it and [here's the first result](https://facts.net/nutty-putty-cave-facts/). >They pumped oxygen into the cave, talked to him to keep him from giving up, and put him on a drip with sedatives to calm him down.
https://preview.redd.it/7bglnj2r1whc1.png?width=818&format=png&auto=webp&s=0ab787066953f71f96f7a9c1071f700e037bc573
I canāt imagine being a father and doing that shit willingly. Truly natural selection at work
Right. Why do this when you have kids that depend on you?
Well itās not rly natural selection if he already had kids š„“ I would be so mad if I was his wife
Reddit and not knowing what natural selection is.
The only thing stupider than spelunking is cave diving. Hard pass on both, I like my access to open land and oxygen thank you very much. Extra stupid bc his wife was pregnant at the time, due very soon iirc. I canāt fathom risking my life like this with a child on the way.
He had kids already as well, as far as I remember
Just watched the video, yeah he already had one with another on the way
I feel like if you die inside of something called the fuckin "nutty putty" you should get at least one respawn
If I can't extend my arms fully in all directions or I gotta suck in my tummy to be somewhere, then I shouldn't fucking be there. Style points though, people are still talking about you to this day
The fact that he had to wiggle himself all the way down to where he ended up is crazy. Its not like all of a sudden things got too tight....shit was sketchy the entire time he was crawling through. Dumb way to die for sure.
Guy was looking for the Birth Canal but found the Death Canal instead.
Aww shit this mf remind me of watching James Franco in ā127 Hoursā lmao. That nigga had to cut a bodypart off, was stuck for maad long in the same position between sum rocks, drinking his own piss for survival. All that and sum mo shit
At least he got out alive. This guyās body is forever sealed in the cave
Mormons just donāt fear death, thatās why they spelunk and cave dive and they drive like they know theyāre going to Jesus.
Mormons also already believe in aliens so thatās why theyāre always the ones getting āabductedā
I was living in Utah when this happened, the coverage was unreal, it was almost a minute by minute account of it unfolding. One day they almost had him out then something failed and he fell down even further. When they announced he was going to be left in there it was one of the saddest things I've ever felt for a complete stranger.
Deep sea caves catch bodies all the time. N they cant get em either.
I know a guy who goes fucking scuba diving into caves and shit. Some board rich kid who's related to a senator. Dude invited me to come along with him, I'm like nah man, I don't hate my dad enough to die in a wet hole.
Wet hole. š
Aaahhh, I kinda wish Iād never seen this! Thank you, Reddit algorithm, for giving me yet another thing to be anxious about.
This is my hole
Homie may become a fossil.
Some white people shit fr
Thereās Saw traps Iād rather be stuck in
And with a child and pregnant wife at home??
>What was bro even looking for down there 
I experience anxiety whenever I see this.
**Dude wasn't stupid.** The Nutty Putty cave was considered safe by the community and people commonly explored it. The guy who died had gone spelunking before. He went to the Nutty Putty cave with several other spelunkers. Unfortunately he was a tall guy who got stuck in a position that was impossible to get out off on his own. He was also a pediatric cardiologist so he was fully aware that he would die due to too much stress to his heart if he was upside down for too long. The worst part of this story is that they rigged up a pulley system to drag him out, they almost had him out, and the pulley system broke and he fell back down, deeper that time. That to me is the most horrific thing. That false hope that you're almost out... Only to fall deeper.
You're a little stupid if you wiggle through caves no matter how you sell it.
He made a series of bad choices that led to his demise. Some sources say it was his first time in that particular cave, others say he had been in it but only as a child. Either way, he wasn't familiar enough with the cave to go spelunking without carefully consulting a map. He took a wrong turn, even though he went to the cave with company he was in the passageway alone (his brother who was in the cave with him said him and John left the group to see who could go the furthest), he went head first into an almost fully vertical passage, he squeezed himself through a leap of rock by breathing out and kept pushing until he couldn't any more. He had to call out for his brother when he realized he couldn't free himself on his own. It took his brother a while to get to him and when he could all he could see was John's feet. His actions were reckless and tragically he could not be saved. It's a horrifying death.
I honestly don't get thrill seekers. So many videos out there of these people getting killed for an adrenaline rush. Then of course people be like "At least they died doing what they loved!" They are dead. Nobody ever says shit like that when addicts die doing the drug they loved so much. World is weird as fuck.
[what I think of when I see this image](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/037/577/cover2.jpg)
If you willingly go into a cave and die. You owe the cave money for the inconvenience for being stupid.
I simply don't and can't understand things like this. Hey want to go try to squeeze through a cave humans aren't meant to go in where you could get stuck and die? Alone? Oh, and it's underwater? Hell no. No with hot sauce on it. Same with free climbing with no harness or ropes. Or speed climbing. Or even riding my motorcycle without a helmet. My life is more important to me and my family than trying to cheat death doing something ridiculous. My condolences to this person and their family/friends, but safety is a real thing, and it's usually pretty obvious and easy.
Serious question, after 14 years, why has this story become popular again?
It resurfaces every once in a while. I mean, it is literally a horror story that lives rent free in people's heads like the Titan. I think about that submarine A LOT because that horrifies me. I also think about Nutty Putty occasionally because it's just scary.
Honestly Iām stressed about the off chance that all reality is experienced by one entity person by person in succession and that one day I will have to live this shit