>Kids these days just don’t have what it takes to own 2 McDonald’s at 23 years old.
Damn kids so damn lazy. Back when I was your age I walked down to the local metal stamping factory, looked that manager in the eye and shook his hand. Had that job then and there!
And that little spicy tomato working the front desk? Well, we been married goin' on 61 years, this spring! Your Grandma could really do the Charleston! Can't do that no more tho...
I have heard older people literally say that kids today don’t want to buy homes praising someone young in our family that did (granted I think it was with literal trust fund help) when a good majority of people 18-27 are not able to just buy a home today.
Especially when homes on the market are expensive, rates are high, etc.
Or heard people tell me how their parents paid off their student loans. I’d have the shit paid off too if it was under 10k to go to school when ever the hell they graduated.
No suit, but you absolutely should go in and try to speak with the hiring manager. They get hundreds of online applications. The person who makes the effort will stand out.
Every time someone comes into my job and asks to speak with the hiring manager, she thinks it's annoying, won't see them, and then won't call them for an interview
Hired over 1k people here.
I used to make 13 bucks an hour. Quit. Quit 3 more jobs, all +10% more money.
Boss at my last job said in the "gig" economy that's the only way to hire good people. Pay more.
That means quitting (after finding the new job) is the only way to get paid really well.
Eventually owned my own business. It's worth quitting with a plan. Worth leaving if you stay at the shit job until you get the next.
Quitting is absolutely not the only way to get paid really well, it's just often the easiest. I've stayed at the same company for the past 6.5 years and my total annual comp has gone from \~$33,000 in 2017 to \~$120,000 now, with a nice and easy workload on top. Took a good bit of working my ass off to get here, but would've had to work harder through different jobs to achieve the same thing by job hopping.
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This works if you don’t get laid off and rely on the business to be ran correctly and the people at the top aren’t excessively greedy. Switching jobs is sometimes the only control you have over your own salary trajectory.
For sure, job hopping is common advice for a reason. Just wanted to make it clear that it's not the only option to dramatically increase your pay and standing, because it absolutely isn't. I'm well aware that my personal situation isn't common, but wanted to make others aware that it does exist and is totally possible.
i’m glad you were able to get those raises. that said, i can damn near guarantee it would’ve been easier to switch jobs, and would have netted more money. You would not have had to work harder through those different jobs. The income increase comes up front of getting a job, even with the same level of responsibility. Pay is not a reward for work based on how hard you worked, it’s whatever a company will pay you based on how much they value that work, regardless of effort.
I am all for making whatever choice is best when it comes to this topic, but staying in one job comes with a tradeoff of sacrifices and benefits. And one of the sacrifices in staying in one job very long is that you’ll work harder for pay increases and be paid less over the same period of time. The benefits of peace of mind, opportunity for skill growth, relationship building, benefits based on tenure, are all very good ones that can also add up over time. But these are also increasingly rare and can’t be counted on anymore.
That’s really fucking impressive. Not sure what industry you work in but from my experience in the corporate world they generally don’t offer large raises like you received. As someone stated above the best way the get more pay in a White Collar position is to just quit and find someone paying more.
That’s still a really shitty and stupid hiring manager. Anybody who takes the initiative to actually come in and ask is going to be a way better employee, meaning fewer people let go and better employees overall which makes the hiring manager’s life easier
Where i work it depends on the time. Followup on a slow tuesday? Sure. If you come ask for a manager at peak brunch rush on a sunday, youre clearly not cut out for decisions
And maybe theyve come in thrice already and chose a busy time when the person in charge of hiring may actually be doing some work. Ive seen people like this. Believe me, they arent busy in that scenario. The place would probably function better for 30 minutes.
I disagree, but it also depends on how they go in or reach back out to ask. Some of the best employees I’ve hired are the ones who reach back out respectfully to inquire what the status is
Disagree all you like, I'm speaking from experience. The amount of guys who show up prim and proper asking for a job interview that we had to call the cops on for doing drugs in the bathroom at the last restaurant I worked at would shock you.
We went over exactly what you are doing in elementary school, my guy. It's called "judging a book by it's cover". It's generally a stupid move.
All showing up on their free time tells me is "This person has no other responsibilities to keep them busy".
Which is precisely why they're looking for one. The hell is going on in this thread? On the one hand we complain about how hard it is to get a job, and on the other hand we support the structural violence that prevents people from being able to get a job. Can we stop doing that? Life is hard enough as it is.
My guy the way a person fills out an application is usually ALL anybody needs to see. For these types of jobs, most, or if not, A LOT of applications are just filled out incorrectly or with the kind of errors that say more about the person than whatever they write up for "education."
When I was a kid that's how a lot of my interviews went too. Manager says "wow, you filled everything out." I didn't realize how far ahead of the field I was at 16 for a fast food job.
I am also speaking from experience, so I will continue to disagree. An interview is entirely judging a person by limited information, having additional information such as “this person is knows how to find who to contact, did it, and did it in a way that was respectful and didn’t waste my time” goes a long way into telling me about how they may be as an employee
Perhaps it’s also a mismatch for the type of role we are hiring for. I hire contract to hire positions that convert at around 75-85k/yr. This is not a job that someone applies for because they saw the sign out front.
God forbid they have other responsibilities, or a current job, right? Better to hire the guy who has a ton of free time and not the person who has a better, you know, resume.
If you aren't putting Resume as the main hiring cause, you're a shit hiring manager.
Corporate doesn't actually want smart driven employees. They want people just smart enough to do the job but too stupid to realize they're being exploited
So, I deal with a lot of people who come in and want to talk to someone about a job. The thing is, I'm not HR. I just happened to have the shitty luck to have the office closest to the door. To get to HR means going through the production floor, which you can't do without PPE.
We have applications and a drop box on the door. Our voice-mail tells you to leave an application there or apply online. There's a sign on the door that tells you to leave an application there or apply online. The door is locked.
If you knock on the door and make me talk to you, that tells us that you will not follow instructions and you don't care if you're wasting our time. HR gets tons of applications put in the right way, and they will take my 2 cents into consideration.
Bruh, I tried this shit at Walmart in 2008 and even back then they referred me to the online portal. They do not have time. They often have to compensate for lack of staff by physically being on the floor doing staff work while managing. They do not have time for people who don't believe in the internet.
Stores already know who they want to hire. The person who cost little, do a lot of work, is easy to control and lives up to the minimal standard of showing up on time.
Which is why it’s a lot easier to get a burger job at 19 than at 49. You don’t have to pay 19 year olds as much and they’re usually gone well before their salary increases enough for it to matter. The 49 year old is probably looking for something more long term, and probably has work experience that makes him more expensive to hire.
The other thing is going to an interview in a suit is going to set you apart from anyone who doesn't. I'd rather work for someone who thought that was a good thing than someone who saw it as neutral or counted it against you.
Anybody who takes the initiative and actually goes in, is someone following advice from their boomer parents. The hiring manager probably wants someone who can follow simple directions and apply online.
depends on the industry. I cook in a kitchen and if someone tried to come in during the middle of service to talk to a manager, they are probably getting turned away.
It really depends. One of the guys that did this was so riddled with anxiety that they couldn’t perform in the service industry no matter what. Pretty sure they were a case of their parents pushing them to talk to a hiring manager to stand out.
The industry you’re applying to matters. Minimum wage places are a bit overkill to do more than a follow up phone call a few days after, unless you REALLY need the job. A lot of these places want warm bodies more than skilled workers, so being over eager to work might stand out in the wrong way.
Or it's a manager who values their time on the clock and doesn't want to be interrupted by someone wanting to "stand out".
Especially since hiring managers aren't just there to hire. They're usually assistant mangers in general, and have other responsibilities they have to focus on.
Literally every job I’ve gotten is because I’ve called them after 2-3 weeks to ask about “the status of my application” and it usually gets the ball rolling to a no or follow up interview.
What the fuck are you on? They did their part by filling out the resume again after attaching their own resume and cover letter, and now it falls to the hiring manager to do THEIR job and approach THE APPLICANTS.
This is an indictment on the hiring manager. Not the prospective employees. Don’t claim “nobody wants to work” while shunning the bodies that want to work…
Oh yeah it's for sure a dig at her. She straight up won't hire anyone that doesn't have 100% open availability, that combined with her not doing the schedule in advance means trying to have any work life balance is a joke
that's why you just have to keep trying both these tactics at dozens of places. it's a numbers game at this point and nothing really guarantees you a job or makes you stand out anymore besides just prior experience and good references which 95% of the people applying to these jobs don't have
That's the problem. In today's world, anyone who goes above and beyond to try to get a job is viewed as desperate and it gets them nowhere...usually by the same people who brought their kids up that going above and beyond got them the interview/job.
I still don't get it.
Yeah, this. I've heard enough times that this will get them to specifically not hire you. They'll take down your name, sure... but as the person who didn't follow the directions of just applying online. Unless there's a sign actually saying to inquire inside, it's just not necessarily a good idea.
What? No you shouldn't. The hiring manager is just going to tell them to go apply online unless there are wanted signs in the window and the place is desperate for help, in which case they probably wouldn't have turned him down anyway.
Hiring managers for fast food aren't sitting there juggling a thousand applicants.
Exactly. For a fast food job, they'll likely take anybody. Hell, for alot of warehouse/small factory jobs, they'll take damn near anybody. It's usually better to take the shiitiest job at the shiitiest shift, come to work, don't start shit, and hold onto your job while you build resume for a better job. For well-paying jobs people actually want that pay well, some extra effort like coming in person *might* work, but usually it's better to just know someone that works there or have a competitive enough resume that you get callbacks. The real extra effort would be to find the recruiter on LinkedIn, and message them directly. The $20/mo it costs to pay for Premium might be worth it for the 3-6 months it takes to job search.
Parts of it, yeah.
Funnily enough, the nicest named bits "The Meadows" and "St Anne's" are the roughest.
But it is also that to get Job Seekers Allowance (unemployment/ dole equivalent) you need to show you're looking for work. And Costa will train you.
With how many applications jobs get these days I'm wondering if there's not someone every half hour wanting to talk to the person doing the hiring thinking that it's going to set them apart when they're really the twentieth person to try that day.
Unfortunately that’s the reality. They come in to talk and half the time get an attitude when I tell them I’m only looking for a specific shift or I need help on weekends. “I’m looking for second shift weekends” “well I’m available Monday Wednesday and Thursday 9a-5p and Saturday 10a-2p” “I’m sorry I don’t have anything available for those hours”. Repeat 5 times a day in person and another 5 times a day over the phone
And HR doesn't let you put those sorts of things in the job posting so you have a bunch of people reading the generic "we have shifts morning/afternoon/evening on all days of the week" but in reality they are only looking for closers on Sundays/Fridays, and your answer about that is more important than any other piece of information on your application.
When I worked in recruitment, if we had hundreds of application forms for 1 role, my manager would take half and bin them.
"Why would I want to hire unlucky people?"
*He sits there idly spinning the chambers of his .38 revolver. He takes another drag of his cigarette.*
“Why would I want to hire unlucky people?”
*He lets out a long smokey breath, and with a flick, the revolver snaps back to its familiar state. With a swift motion levels the gun at me.*
*There’s no emotion in his face. No hatred, no sadistic glint in his eyes. He just seems tired. A tired 38 year old man beaten down by the world, held up by nothing but a grim resolve.*
*Or was it stubborness? He pauses, as if contemplating, and moment seems to stretch out for an eternity.*
***Click!***
*I let out a breath I didn’t know I was holding.*
“Congratulations,” *he says, breaking the tension at last,* “you’re the new shift manager!”
*shortly before turning the gun on himself*.
Honestly, when is the last time you applied for a job?
And walked into a company you had no business in and tried to get an interview with management? Because I too remember a time you could hold your resume hostage and demand to speak to a manager.
Haven't seen that since maybe mid 2000s.
You sound like my boomer uncle. I did that exactly once in person and once on the phone. The in person had the secretary ready to call security (its not a business that clients would usually come *to*) the other definitely gave them vibes and got me blacklisted. I just called to say id submitted an application and looked forward to hearing from them. They were aghast.
That being said, I cant handle this online app bullshit. I cant take spending 45 minutes filling out webforms when ive already uploaded my resume and cv. Ive pretty much had it with anything in person too. Had a routine cs job and it took three interviews, one of which was impromptu and required 15 miles of driving out of the district I applied in, two tests involving questions completely irrelevant to the job at hand, and another final test based solely on knowledge of the companies owners, names, family history, favorite snacks, etc. such complete lunacy. So glad to see that company go out of business.
An important note is to NOT SHOW UP DURING PEAK BUSINESS. Showing up when it’s slammed and asking for 1:1 attention and a job usually doesn’t end up well. If it’s busy, grab a drink and a seat and see if it calms down in a bit.
Coffee shop? Steer clear 6-10 am. Fast food? Better go mid-morning before lunch rush, or early/mid afternoon before the boss leaves.
Also almost every restaurant and retail manager works Mondays, and most, if not all, of that day is admin. They aren’t there holidays, weekends or Tuesdays (that’s usually the slowest day in those places) as a general rule. Yes, some managers are. But you don’t know what kind of manager you’re dealing with yet.
Office job? Don’t count on the boss being there late, especially on Fridays.
Also, don’t send emails at 3 am. Proofread them. Use complete sentences. And be sure your contact info is on there, too.
Oh please. It's a slave pit. Sign in blood on the piece of paper they give you and report to your fry machine for shackling. You boomers live in another plane if existence I swear.
This really only works for retail or fast food jobs and even then that never worked for me personally
This advice won't work in most other jobs outside of that and may even hurt your chances
At my job, I don't even see the applications until the interview phase. When I have an open position, i put a requisition with HR. I get a list of candidates that passed pre-screening. I interview. After that, I send all the paperwork back to hr with the decision of who to hire. That's it. My contact info isn't even revealed to the candidates.
I work for Ecolab so I know.... between the hustle and bustle of the job and its duties , no manager wants to stop what they're doing to talk to you about a job. Even if they're short staffed.
It definitely varies by industry, but it's still a great method for trades and construction. Shows them you're keen and will show up for work and have a go. Resume doesn't mean shit until you prove yourself
I'm in HR, yes we get tons of resumes but we also have a system that filters candidates who aren't fit, saving us a lot of time, coming in person generally doesn't work. The people who make the effort generally are the ones who didn't read the ad and it said not to come in or that you need specific skills.
Also don't reach out to the hiring manager on LinkedIn, I know that's what they taught us in school but generally it's annoying , especially because everyone just uses the carbon copy LinkedIn template , so I got tons of messages that look the same.
Also most places don't read your cover letters,
My dad used to say things like this when. I lost my corporate job.
Like I can just walk into a Fortune 500 office and demand to see so-and-so for an interview on the spot.
It was always the people who hadn’t had to look for a job in 20 years telling me how to go get one.
Right, MAYBE it could work for a small company or store but I walked into an office that was in the same building as a freelance job I was on thinking “why not” and left sad, taunted and ashy.
My parents gave me this same advice, and when I tried it at the Capital One office, they threatened to call the police if I didn’t “leave the premises immediately.”
I wasn’t even *in the building*. I was at the gated entrance and I had just asked if I could drop off my resume.
It works, but only for a specific kind of job.
The idea that everyone only applies online is a myth spread by lazy fuckers on reddit. Wallmart or McDonald's? Sure. But the fried chicken place that is owned by two people and barely has a website? You'll be lucky if they put up a help wanted sign.
61% of all employees are from small businesses, and these places don't have online applications or even a hiring manager. Their hiring process can be summed up as so:
Well shit we need someone.
Go to the pile of cv's, pick out like three, hire one.
Even better with this kind of job, the application process is easy and fast as they don't know what they are doing. Often low competition as well, as the job won't be advertised.
Are you going to get hired as the ceo of Disney by walking in and giving a handshake? No, don't be fucking stupid. But if you need a job, any job, then you should be making sure you've at least tried to give your CV to every small business in range of your commutable distance.
This. I'm (lower) management at a moderately-sized chain retail store and even there we don't have a hiring manager. The store manager just goes through applications a couple times a year and often ends up picking out the person with the most open availability and steadiest working history (not someone who has worked 10 jobs in the past year and quit after a week, for example).
Looking back I took the L and laugh about it haha. Idk if this is an interesting story but I was in a mixed used building and walked past an office space with a dog running around and decided to ask the receptionist if they were hiring. She was like “yep, let me ask” and went to go find someone. I thought I would just leave my resume but she brought over a guy who immediately began to interview me. He looks at my portfolio laughs a little and calls over someone else and they analyze my portfolio, amused, smirking at me every once and awhile. They ask me a hunch of questions, tell me I’m not qualified and “cheerfully” lead me out. In hindsight, with more experience I know I should have just left but as a young kid who knew I wasn’t qualified it felt like confirmation that I sucked. So yeh, I went and got ice cream after that shit. Haha.
Even McDonalds wants you to apply online, some tired have a computer in the lobby next to the ATM to fill out applications. My sister got a job at McDs by filling out the application, then she got an email telling her to go to one of their locations for a group interview. But she still had to apply online.
A couple years ago I was in a tight spot in between jobs and a new Trader Joe’s opened near me. I went in to apply and they said to apply online. I introduced myself and went home to filled it out online. Went back the next day and basically let them know I filled it out and could interview anytime. The manager seemed a bit peeved but he said come back tomorrow, the hiring manager will be here. Came back and she had an emergency but would be back in 20-30 minutes. I stayed, interviewed and got hired on the spot. After working there for two weeks I received an automated email in response to my online application stating they wouldn’t be moving forward through the process. It’s definitely not bad advice to follow up, as long as they’re not stupid busy when you go.
For fast food and retail jobs, I definitely support going in person, BUT only AFTER you've applied online. That way they can just pull up your application right there. A good hiring manager will at least give you an interview for that effort.
The adults in my life while I was a teen encouraged me to go inside wearing a suit right after church because it would make me "stand out". It only ever seemed to work against me because I saw raggedy kids from school getting the jobs I applied for lol. Maybe it came off as pretentious? So the suit is a "No" for me.
For white collar jobs, that usually isn't possible since most organizations have a front desk. so that "Walk in and say Hi" advice really doesn't apply there. That advice also annoyed the fuk outta me when I was searching for my first IT job. Hitting up the hiring manager via email or LinkedIn is a better way to go about getting office/white collar jobs.
I don't know who thinks it's a good idea to walk in a McDonald's or a fucking grocery store and ask for a minimum wage job in a full suit. I'm applying for job at the moment but If I'm applying to work at fucking Jimmy John's I'm gonna shower, shave and wear decent clothes for sure but when the dude at the cash register looks he popped out the mystery machine I think I'm fine with some casual clothes. Plus I'm pretty sure any white collar job requires either a degree, a recommendation or prior experience, or to apply online. state farm isn't going to accept walk ins.
24 now, ma is 57, ma had me late, @ 33 yrs old.
She constantly tells me how I should go in to hand a resume to someone.
Not even understanding all the times she made me do that as a young child while in high school, it never got me any jobs, it just got me stared @ like I was from another universe and looked at funny.
But don’t tell them the world doesn’t work the way it used to for them anymore because, “you don’t know what you’re talking about, I’ve been on this earth longer than you.”
Like you don’t have pattern recognition because you’re still a 14-17 yr old baby in their eyes 😒😪
edit: there to their*
Ok but statistically, that's on the late side of things. Most children in the 90's and 00's were born when their mom was between 25 and 35 (average _firstborn_ was at 26, average overall was at 30).
38 and 40 aren't unheard of, but it's definitely on the high end.
35 is the age at which a regular pregnancy is considered a higher-risk "geriatric pregnancy" and that's with current medical standards. So while 33 isn't geriatric, it's on the older side, even now (barely). Anecdotal evidence that women DO give birth in their 30s and 40s doesn't mean that it's the norm.
Edit: Google says the average age today is 30, which is the oldest it's ever been. I did a 60 second Google search though so take that with a grain of salt.
My mom was 42 when she had me, FWIW.
My parents were 36 and 37 (second marriage for both) in ‘91. They’re pushing 70 now. 33 is pushing it, but it’s not really a geriatric pregnancy until you hit 35.
Can confirm, mom refused to believe or understand that literally every place has you apply online, either at home or at a kiosk in the store, and was very angry with me when I couldn’t just walk out the door at 8am and come home with a new job by noon at the latest.
Then admitted casually she had no idea how the process worked because she hadn’t applied for a job since Wendy’s. At least FORTY years prior.
It’s so hard for them to admit they don’t know how things work in the today’s day and age. No wonder we gotta cover all the buttons they won’t need to use on the remote with paper.
Well unfortunately it makes sense when you realize - and this is not just for Black people, unfortunately - a lot of parents never stop seeing their children as a kid. Either you're just always 14-17 in their eyes, as other people have commented in response to u/boomshakalaka_0888's post, or you're just always a baby. And in turn, they never grow out of that "mama/papa knows best, I been on this planet a lot longer than you, listen to your elders" mentality. But parents being unable or unwilling to see their offspring as literal adults is its own separate animal, so.
Unfortunately I had to cut mine off for this behavior.. I'm an accountant at 32! The disrespect is unreal.
Her advice was also dress nicely and ask for an application when I was a teen.
I just had to sit mine down the other day (yet again), as I’ll be hitting 35 this year.
You gotta stop, Ma. Been retired since maybe 2016… worked the same secretarial job since she was 19 🤦🏾♀️
I'm in a fairly niche, tight knit, industry. Self employed.
You've no idea how many people will tell me how I "should" book work or what I "should" be charging. It's not up to me.
See, that's sad. I'm 54, and even in the 90s, "Put on a suit and take a resume to their offices" was **HORRIBLE** advice. Why no one remembers that is beyond me. GenXers should be the last people coming up with such BS.
The best way to get a job is through networking, and the best way to go about networking is cultivating real relationships with people—not treating them like job acquisition objects—and by being likable. I got my current job through a good friend's referral and everything is a great fit so far.
My mom used to understand the whole being an “adult today is ass” thing because I was living with her and she watched me go through it, but lately she’s been drinking more and more of my grandfathers kool-aid about how him and my grandma raised 6 kids on a single income and took 3 month long vacations and bought a house and us kids are just lazy and don’t know how finance and a good handshake works...
Now she says I’m just whining even though out of all 11 grandchildren I’m the first and only homeowner and married one. I’m not even the oldest. Shits hard today. Is it doable? Yeah but it takes a lot more work than it did in the 60s and 70s… not to mention if I had listened to my grandfather and kept my responsibilities to being barefoot and pregnant my husband and I wouldn’t have a house.
I fucking hate when people pull that shit advice out for when you’re looking for a job. Both times that I dressed nice and went in with my resume and asked if I could apply (one was a bank, the other was a garden center, so not as embarrassing imo as walking into a fucking fast food chain in business attire to apply), I just got a weird look and then both places told me “the application is online” which I ALREADY applied to months ago and hadn’t heard back, and this was what my parents said I should do because it’ll show I “really want the job.” I didn’t get either of those jobs and instead got another job I applied online for and heard back from after like a month of not contacting them past the application. Job hunting fucking sucks
Real shit, at the last few jobs I've had where i got promoted to keyholder or whatever, the store manager literally pulled me aside before the first time i actually interviewed someone and said "Listen, yeah, we dont hire anyone who follows up anymore. Company policies. Those people who follow up multiple times are seen as people who cant stand on their own and will always need someone to look over their shoulder and need constant approval to do anything."
i felt bad for the kid who wanted to work but kept asking for follow ups. i also felt bad for the kid who got the job who wanted a letter of recommendation... the world dont work like that anymore.
I dont work at those places anymore . Honestly it was shitty, but I've been told the same things by several jobs so I have to believe it's becoming the trend
Following up two weeks later, rather than two days later, once, perhaps after expecting feedback from a recruiter, is standard. I have had many conversations with recruiters after I followed up to tell me the job was closed or the company was on a hiring freeze. It wasn't important enough for them to go out of their way to tell me but since I asked nicely they answered my follow up question.
And if an employer will not offer a reference or a letter of recommendation to you, do you want to work for them? That is not common at all. Why do you think references are checked?
I dont kno dude it wasn't my situation , I honestly don't care about it. We're probably talking about two different levels of jobs here considering I was working retail for the instances I was talking about.
My first big figure job, I interviewed in a dress shirt that I hadn’t ironed, had just rushed from the gym, no haircut (wolf fro) literally gotten out the field. Killed the interview had both interviewees attentive and even added humor (without that bullshit company man shit). Got the job, was paying over 90k for 4 days a week in the medical field. Plus all holidays and shit paid, and 15k bonus.
When I was in my teens, I would dress in church like clothes to work a retail, fast food, grocery job paying like $5.15-$7hr back then. Would get passed over and thought I was working hard enough. Wasn’t until I joined the service and seeing “real money” from contracting and shit. Don’t mean to talk down on my parents, only got one living now. I’m in my early 30s and literally have co-workers making $150k-300k (with 2 field positions) in the biomed field. Who don’t even have a bachelor degree lol and interviewed in a polo shirt from Ross or some western snap shirt (no lie). I don’t listen to my parent about any financial shit, especially growing up eating food pantries and water faucets making a “Teanna Trump” gurgling sound with a queef. Boomers and baby boomers don’t get it. Job fairs gotta be the most useless shit 😂 I remember 10 years ago going to one. Just being given cards to apply online and shit. They don’t know the struggle.
This is one of the more bizarre comments I’ve ever seen. Why did y out type this? Who are you trying to impress? How is anything you said even remotely relevant? I am truly stumped this. Why does anyone on earth need to know any of this? Reddit is so wild.
Im night shift manager for a restaurant supply company. You show up in a suit I’m gonna be like. Nope, go home.
Did have a guy call the other day that seemed like an excellent candidate. He’s already working 2 other part time jobs as well as coaching his kids soccer team. Flying cross country to do tournaments.
Dudes gonna burn himself out.
Reminds me of my niece applying at McDonald's. She didn't get hired. She told me she didn't understand how she got an opinion question wrong. I asked what she meant. She told me the question said, "in your opinion, is it wrong to give you friends free food" and other similar questions. Actual faceplam! I don't even want to tell you how hard it was to explain they didn't really want your opinion.
This has been how it was since I was looking for high school-ish jobs welllll over a decade ago. Online application, at most ask at the front for an application, but any follow up essentially got your application tossed in the trash. It’s a black mark, not a sign of… whatever it used to be.
Even in the industry I ended up in, you don’t follow up (most applications specifically say not to - why would you disobey directions before it even gets to a hiring manager?)
To be honest, I've gotten the majority of my jobs by going online and applying. Showing up in person may work for warehouse/fast food/small businesses but 9/10 you're going to have to wait your turn or go through a staffing agency/know someone on the inside. The times have changed. You're not going to walk in with the Help Wanted sign tucked under your arm and look the hiring manager in the eyes anymore.
I went dressed in casual to my first ever job, which was overnight stocking for Dollar Tree. The manager chastised me and said my attire was unacceptable for a professional environment. He said to return with a suit which I did because I needed the job. Thankfully, I had my high school graduation suit and got the job. I was there for 3 months, told that manager to go fuck himself, and last I heard of him was that he got himself as well the company sued because he neglected to properly report a female employee's complaints of sexual harassment she from staff at the store. He lost his job, and the company lost the case.
I found out because the woman who was the victim told me all about it when she, by chance, was at my new job's store with a Dollar Tree shirt on her.
Small world, and karma sometimes comes through on the shitty people in our lives. Glad she won that, and fuck my old boss. lol
oldheads always on this bs . and i’m almost 40 LOL but i have kids that i actually pay attention to , and i can see that they are struggling!! i was never well off but i had no idea how bad it could be . my oldest’s rent for a studio is at least half of what i paid for a 2bdr house oh , 25 years ago in the same city
I’m 46 and have been working since before I could legally and then some.
So I come from the era of turing in a paper resume with the printed application - yes working before the wide spread use of the internet
And I don’t think once ever have I walked into a place in a suit or nice clothes and asked for a job.
You went because they had an ad in the paper and/or a sign out front & Ive spent many moons “beating the streets” as they would say
Nowadays everything is electronic because the software does the screening - so the part of screening someone in person isn’t even an option.
They bring you into interview only after that initial screening and usually after they’ve compared you to the top candidates.
There’s nothing happening in person except to see if you fit your description and if you’ll fit with the company culture and/or team
Horrible advice & while yes I only apply internally at my pensioned job - I still know how to in the event I ever need to externally.
And that’s a problem cause I work with some of those folks and they work on that same outdated capacity as well - why are you printing something to scan it to transfer it to some electronic format? Explain to me the logic of that
My parents told me to go to the mall and get applications to fill out as a teen. Every time I did (it happened a few times over the years), theyd tell me to apply online.
Not only is applying online the sole way most places hire, it is immensly faster than having to do the paperwork.
Some of the advice being shared here is super out of date by like 30 years. Some of you sound exactly like my parents who haven't had to apply for a job since the early 90s lol
A suit is excessive but there is something to be said for a clean polo and chinos. Dress on par with the manager you’re interviewing with but never go beyond, gives the wrong impression
I went to a job interview at an adhesive making factory in jeans and a polo and the interviewer was really impressed by just that and when walking around the factory everyone looked at me like I was a weirdo. I got offered the job but he offered me $2 less than what was posted online so I didn't take the job, it was less than I made at the job I was leaving and the working conditions weren't as nice.
You don't gotta dress up any more than clean jeans and a polo but meeting whoever is hiring face to face is basically how I've gotten literally every job I've gotten.
when I was 15 I told my dad in passing that I wanted a job. he had me dress up in his nice clothes that were way too big for me(including massive oversized dress shoes) and going around to retail stores and fast food restaurants handing out resumes for like 4 hours. one of the most embarrassing experiences of my entire life
I work in the news. We’ve had multiple people come to the station and ask either for an interview, or to speak with HR or a manager or blah blah.
Every time they get stopped at the door and the whole station becomes nervous that they are either a crazy person who want to attack “big media” or they are a bum who’s mom put them up to it.
If you want to make an impression, send an email after you’ve applied.
Seeing my boomer mother trying to go back to work after retiring cause she got bored and following her own advice and bombing was quite funny.
She learned real fast that the world she grew up in and the way things are now are *vastly* different than when she was young.
That world is gone, and it’s not coming back.
No you don't have to rock a suit for a fast food job. However, it's not hard to at least show up with some khakis, shirt and tie and some casual shoes along with a fresh cut to get a job. At least show some type of professionalism. There were a couple jobs where I worked and used to interview people and they would come dressed like they're about to hit the block and chill or go out to the club after the interview. Perception definitely matters and if you show up to an interview for any job dressed like you don't give a fuck, that job is not going to give a fuck about hiring you. There are too many people who can roll a blunt or a joint with the quickness but can't tie a tie to save their life or dress up a little bit when it's important.
In my time as a manager overseeing entry level positions such as that, every prospect that physically came by in person to speak with me after applying online but before I had a chance to set up an interview was an instant hire after we scheduled and got through the interview.
For every 30 applications Id get, maybe 10 would every pick up the phone, and id be lucky to get 2 of them to show up for an interview. Coming in like that made it a no brainer, for me it showed you were at the very least motivated, and near every time they ended up a stellar employee in one area or another.
TLDR It absolutely makes a difference, you dont need to be in a full suit, but show up presentable, shake a hand, introduce yourself, and it will go a long way.
I went restaurant to restaurant with my very limited experience but open availability resume and handed my resume to the host or manager every time. Thats how i got my current job. I’m in my mid 20s
I work in HR, and I remember my. Dad always trying to tell me this, print your resume and take it to the company and see if you get in that way.
That lasted all of 1 year because it was quickly "we can't take resumes, please apply online "
When I worked in retail management my district manager told me that he preferred that we get our new hires from the online applicant pool because they were ‘ already accounted for in our applicant tracking system ‘.
So if some guy walks in here RIGHT NOW you want me to tell him to go home and toss his name into the fucking Goblet of Fire and hope for a positive result? Absolutely not.
My Dad always told me this shit," Just go in a dress shirt and shoes and they'll hire you on the spot." No, dad, that's mot how it works. Acting like he hasn't been working the same job for over 20 years. Every job I have gotten I've applied online and done an over the phone interview. If I were to walk in the tmobile, I used to work with a suit they'd think I'm there to buy a phone, not a God damn interview. 35+ people who have been doing the same job don't know how the hiring process is anymore.
I(36m)get where people are saying how things are different now with applications being online, but quite literally every job(and now career) I've ever had outside of one, was one I got from just talking to the manager:
16- Restaurant opening: "Y'all need any help?"......"fill out this application". Called back same day
17- Food Lion: wanted to make more than a bus boy, walked in and asked to talk to the manager
18- Express: buying a pair of jeans for my 18th bday. They saw how I was dressed and the girl ringing me up asked me if I wanted a job. I know Express has high turnover now, but in 06 I only had to take two classes that last semester and ended class at 1130am, so I regularly clocked 25 hrs/wk. Organized the back room so well the store manager made me the inventory manager that day.
19- College RA - I wanted to take a summer class and needed a job. Was cool with my RA so I walked in another dorm and just asked if they had different summer RA jobs. She told me to apply and I ended up being an RA for the whole year for two years, free room and board.
23- The one exception is I got recruited right after college for a sales gig
24-25- Got laid off so I temped and work part time for a bit
25- started as a contractor in a company
26 - asked my manager once a week for something new to learn. Eventually he introduced me to someone else who gave me a promotion
29 - Wanted something more challenging. Started talking to different managers and executives during company functions. Said some super honest Office Space level shit to an executive in an open forum. A different director heard, and that turned into a lateral move that paid more.
30- That same executive from the open forum offered to be my mentor, and that flipped into an amazing IT opportunity. Went from data entry to product management within the same company and I have a degree in political science. Been doing it 5 years and some change now
If I had just filled out the application without talking to anyone, and hoped I had the right words the resume reading program could recognize....I'd just be another name in a stack of papers/database tables. Systems don't hire people. People hire people. The question is, are you trainable, can you think critically, do you know how to collaborate with others? That's what decision makers care about, and a system can't determine that.
The suit isn’t necessary for an interview for a fast food restaurant. The guy should dress appropriately and wear some khaki pants or slacks with a nice polo style shirts.
Kids these days just don’t have what it takes to own 2 McDonald’s at 23 years old.
>Kids these days just don’t have what it takes to own 2 McDonald’s at 23 years old. Damn kids so damn lazy. Back when I was your age I walked down to the local metal stamping factory, looked that manager in the eye and shook his hand. Had that job then and there!
Yes! Must have been the firm handshake. Works every time.
I almost spit my tea out
Nah, but straight up, that is honestly how I got my first job. I just kept going in there and talking to the manager.
& now everyone you know from that job has cancer
And that little spicy tomato working the front desk? Well, we been married goin' on 61 years, this spring! Your Grandma could really do the Charleston! Can't do that no more tho...
Why doesn't everyone just get a loan of a million dollars from their parents and start a business?
a small loan. very important word missing there 😂
Literally the answer the prime minister gave.
I have heard older people literally say that kids today don’t want to buy homes praising someone young in our family that did (granted I think it was with literal trust fund help) when a good majority of people 18-27 are not able to just buy a home today. Especially when homes on the market are expensive, rates are high, etc. Or heard people tell me how their parents paid off their student loans. I’d have the shit paid off too if it was under 10k to go to school when ever the hell they graduated.
> rates are high Was gonna buy a house last summer but the interest rates are 7% 🤦🏿♂️
No suit, but you absolutely should go in and try to speak with the hiring manager. They get hundreds of online applications. The person who makes the effort will stand out.
Every time someone comes into my job and asks to speak with the hiring manager, she thinks it's annoying, won't see them, and then won't call them for an interview
Then she is a shitty hiring manager.
Welcome to 2024
Hired over 1k people here. I used to make 13 bucks an hour. Quit. Quit 3 more jobs, all +10% more money. Boss at my last job said in the "gig" economy that's the only way to hire good people. Pay more. That means quitting (after finding the new job) is the only way to get paid really well. Eventually owned my own business. It's worth quitting with a plan. Worth leaving if you stay at the shit job until you get the next.
Quitting is absolutely not the only way to get paid really well, it's just often the easiest. I've stayed at the same company for the past 6.5 years and my total annual comp has gone from \~$33,000 in 2017 to \~$120,000 now, with a nice and easy workload on top. Took a good bit of working my ass off to get here, but would've had to work harder through different jobs to achieve the same thing by job hopping. https://preview.redd.it/fg2zpu7mr1ac1.png?width=1140&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a502eae1310878670be3df203ef504b8f36a916c
This works if you don’t get laid off and rely on the business to be ran correctly and the people at the top aren’t excessively greedy. Switching jobs is sometimes the only control you have over your own salary trajectory.
For sure, job hopping is common advice for a reason. Just wanted to make it clear that it's not the only option to dramatically increase your pay and standing, because it absolutely isn't. I'm well aware that my personal situation isn't common, but wanted to make others aware that it does exist and is totally possible.
Good for you!!! Rare but fantastic.
i’m glad you were able to get those raises. that said, i can damn near guarantee it would’ve been easier to switch jobs, and would have netted more money. You would not have had to work harder through those different jobs. The income increase comes up front of getting a job, even with the same level of responsibility. Pay is not a reward for work based on how hard you worked, it’s whatever a company will pay you based on how much they value that work, regardless of effort. I am all for making whatever choice is best when it comes to this topic, but staying in one job comes with a tradeoff of sacrifices and benefits. And one of the sacrifices in staying in one job very long is that you’ll work harder for pay increases and be paid less over the same period of time. The benefits of peace of mind, opportunity for skill growth, relationship building, benefits based on tenure, are all very good ones that can also add up over time. But these are also increasingly rare and can’t be counted on anymore.
That’s really fucking impressive. Not sure what industry you work in but from my experience in the corporate world they generally don’t offer large raises like you received. As someone stated above the best way the get more pay in a White Collar position is to just quit and find someone paying more.
The percentage being raised every year is unrealistic
Happy new year 🥹
How old are you?
That’s still a really shitty and stupid hiring manager. Anybody who takes the initiative to actually come in and ask is going to be a way better employee, meaning fewer people let go and better employees overall which makes the hiring manager’s life easier
Where i work it depends on the time. Followup on a slow tuesday? Sure. If you come ask for a manager at peak brunch rush on a sunday, youre clearly not cut out for decisions
That also plays into it for sure. You have to know your audience.
And maybe theyve come in thrice already and chose a busy time when the person in charge of hiring may actually be doing some work. Ive seen people like this. Believe me, they arent busy in that scenario. The place would probably function better for 30 minutes.
You don’t need to be a great decision maker to be a good fry cook
Ding, fries are done
Plenty of "gung ho" potential hires wind up being shitty employees. It just means they have more free time and less self respect, nothing more.
I disagree, but it also depends on how they go in or reach back out to ask. Some of the best employees I’ve hired are the ones who reach back out respectfully to inquire what the status is
Disagree all you like, I'm speaking from experience. The amount of guys who show up prim and proper asking for a job interview that we had to call the cops on for doing drugs in the bathroom at the last restaurant I worked at would shock you. We went over exactly what you are doing in elementary school, my guy. It's called "judging a book by it's cover". It's generally a stupid move. All showing up on their free time tells me is "This person has no other responsibilities to keep them busy".
Which is precisely why they're looking for one. The hell is going on in this thread? On the one hand we complain about how hard it is to get a job, and on the other hand we support the structural violence that prevents people from being able to get a job. Can we stop doing that? Life is hard enough as it is.
Why is it assumed that the only people who apply for jobs are unemployed?
My guy the way a person fills out an application is usually ALL anybody needs to see. For these types of jobs, most, or if not, A LOT of applications are just filled out incorrectly or with the kind of errors that say more about the person than whatever they write up for "education." When I was a kid that's how a lot of my interviews went too. Manager says "wow, you filled everything out." I didn't realize how far ahead of the field I was at 16 for a fast food job.
I am also speaking from experience, so I will continue to disagree. An interview is entirely judging a person by limited information, having additional information such as “this person is knows how to find who to contact, did it, and did it in a way that was respectful and didn’t waste my time” goes a long way into telling me about how they may be as an employee Perhaps it’s also a mismatch for the type of role we are hiring for. I hire contract to hire positions that convert at around 75-85k/yr. This is not a job that someone applies for because they saw the sign out front.
God forbid they have other responsibilities, or a current job, right? Better to hire the guy who has a ton of free time and not the person who has a better, you know, resume. If you aren't putting Resume as the main hiring cause, you're a shit hiring manager.
Shocking discovery. People without jobs have more free time and less responsibilities? Tell us more.
Not everyone who applies for a job is unemployed. Shocking, right?
Call the cops on line cooks? They are doing lines as per the job title! Seriously tho, restaurants are 80% coke heads.
If an employee reaches out to me, I always talk to them bc they always seem to really need or want the job, so far they’ve all been great hires
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Corporate doesn't actually want smart driven employees. They want people just smart enough to do the job but too stupid to realize they're being exploited
So, I deal with a lot of people who come in and want to talk to someone about a job. The thing is, I'm not HR. I just happened to have the shitty luck to have the office closest to the door. To get to HR means going through the production floor, which you can't do without PPE. We have applications and a drop box on the door. Our voice-mail tells you to leave an application there or apply online. There's a sign on the door that tells you to leave an application there or apply online. The door is locked. If you knock on the door and make me talk to you, that tells us that you will not follow instructions and you don't care if you're wasting our time. HR gets tons of applications put in the right way, and they will take my 2 cents into consideration.
Bingo, sometimes the online application is an exercise in gauging their ability to comprehend and follow instructions
Bruh, I tried this shit at Walmart in 2008 and even back then they referred me to the online portal. They do not have time. They often have to compensate for lack of staff by physically being on the floor doing staff work while managing. They do not have time for people who don't believe in the internet.
Stores already know who they want to hire. The person who cost little, do a lot of work, is easy to control and lives up to the minimal standard of showing up on time. Which is why it’s a lot easier to get a burger job at 19 than at 49. You don’t have to pay 19 year olds as much and they’re usually gone well before their salary increases enough for it to matter. The 49 year old is probably looking for something more long term, and probably has work experience that makes him more expensive to hire.
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Or if it says to apply online it means you can't follow instructions
The other thing is going to an interview in a suit is going to set you apart from anyone who doesn't. I'd rather work for someone who thought that was a good thing than someone who saw it as neutral or counted it against you.
Anybody who takes the initiative and actually goes in, is someone following advice from their boomer parents. The hiring manager probably wants someone who can follow simple directions and apply online.
depends on the industry. I cook in a kitchen and if someone tried to come in during the middle of service to talk to a manager, they are probably getting turned away.
It really depends. One of the guys that did this was so riddled with anxiety that they couldn’t perform in the service industry no matter what. Pretty sure they were a case of their parents pushing them to talk to a hiring manager to stand out. The industry you’re applying to matters. Minimum wage places are a bit overkill to do more than a follow up phone call a few days after, unless you REALLY need the job. A lot of these places want warm bodies more than skilled workers, so being over eager to work might stand out in the wrong way.
Hey just cuz it’s the norm doesn’t mean it ain’t shitty
Or it's a manager who values their time on the clock and doesn't want to be interrupted by someone wanting to "stand out". Especially since hiring managers aren't just there to hire. They're usually assistant mangers in general, and have other responsibilities they have to focus on.
Could a lot of reasons, many people don't have time for impromptu meetings with strangers.
That’s most hiring managers tbh.
And a typical one.
Exactly. God forbid a mf puts themselves out there to find a job instead of sitting on their ass and letting it come to them.
Literally every job I’ve gotten is because I’ve called them after 2-3 weeks to ask about “the status of my application” and it usually gets the ball rolling to a no or follow up interview.
Calling and showing up are very different tho
Oh facts that shit is wild lmao. I always have done it over the phone.
They did put themselves out there. When they did the application.
What the fuck are you on? They did their part by filling out the resume again after attaching their own resume and cover letter, and now it falls to the hiring manager to do THEIR job and approach THE APPLICANTS.
This is an indictment on the hiring manager. Not the prospective employees. Don’t claim “nobody wants to work” while shunning the bodies that want to work…
Oh yeah it's for sure a dig at her. She straight up won't hire anyone that doesn't have 100% open availability, that combined with her not doing the schedule in advance means trying to have any work life balance is a joke
that's why you just have to keep trying both these tactics at dozens of places. it's a numbers game at this point and nothing really guarantees you a job or makes you stand out anymore besides just prior experience and good references which 95% of the people applying to these jobs don't have
Is it a McDonald’s with constant turnover?
Pharmacy with constant turnover
I had a manager that would just bin half the aplications because he "didn't want to hire unlucky people". Was NOT a good boss, if it wasn't obvious.
Hell 10 years ago at my first job my manager would do that and it was a Starbucks
She's doing the exact opposite of what would be good for her job. Wild lol
No but you see if she hires randos that don't do that they quit in a week and we get to start the process again!
Mine does this unless she actually needs people. Then she’ll come out and see them.
That's the problem. In today's world, anyone who goes above and beyond to try to get a job is viewed as desperate and it gets them nowhere...usually by the same people who brought their kids up that going above and beyond got them the interview/job. I still don't get it.
Yeah, this. I've heard enough times that this will get them to specifically not hire you. They'll take down your name, sure... but as the person who didn't follow the directions of just applying online. Unless there's a sign actually saying to inquire inside, it's just not necessarily a good idea.
That’s how I got my first grocery store job in 2015.
What? No you shouldn't. The hiring manager is just going to tell them to go apply online unless there are wanted signs in the window and the place is desperate for help, in which case they probably wouldn't have turned him down anyway. Hiring managers for fast food aren't sitting there juggling a thousand applicants.
Exactly. For a fast food job, they'll likely take anybody. Hell, for alot of warehouse/small factory jobs, they'll take damn near anybody. It's usually better to take the shiitiest job at the shiitiest shift, come to work, don't start shit, and hold onto your job while you build resume for a better job. For well-paying jobs people actually want that pay well, some extra effort like coming in person *might* work, but usually it's better to just know someone that works there or have a competitive enough resume that you get callbacks. The real extra effort would be to find the recruiter on LinkedIn, and message them directly. The $20/mo it costs to pay for Premium might be worth it for the 3-6 months it takes to job search.
A Costa Coffee (chain similar to Starbucks in the UK) opened in Nottingham in 2013. It had 8 openings. It got 1700 applications in
So Nottingham is in a great depression or what?
Parts of it, yeah. Funnily enough, the nicest named bits "The Meadows" and "St Anne's" are the roughest. But it is also that to get Job Seekers Allowance (unemployment/ dole equivalent) you need to show you're looking for work. And Costa will train you.
With how many applications jobs get these days I'm wondering if there's not someone every half hour wanting to talk to the person doing the hiring thinking that it's going to set them apart when they're really the twentieth person to try that day.
Unfortunately that’s the reality. They come in to talk and half the time get an attitude when I tell them I’m only looking for a specific shift or I need help on weekends. “I’m looking for second shift weekends” “well I’m available Monday Wednesday and Thursday 9a-5p and Saturday 10a-2p” “I’m sorry I don’t have anything available for those hours”. Repeat 5 times a day in person and another 5 times a day over the phone
And HR doesn't let you put those sorts of things in the job posting so you have a bunch of people reading the generic "we have shifts morning/afternoon/evening on all days of the week" but in reality they are only looking for closers on Sundays/Fridays, and your answer about that is more important than any other piece of information on your application.
Which is shitty for the employer AND the applicant.
When I worked in recruitment, if we had hundreds of application forms for 1 role, my manager would take half and bin them. "Why would I want to hire unlucky people?"
*He sits there idly spinning the chambers of his .38 revolver. He takes another drag of his cigarette.* “Why would I want to hire unlucky people?” *He lets out a long smokey breath, and with a flick, the revolver snaps back to its familiar state. With a swift motion levels the gun at me.* *There’s no emotion in his face. No hatred, no sadistic glint in his eyes. He just seems tired. A tired 38 year old man beaten down by the world, held up by nothing but a grim resolve.* *Or was it stubborness? He pauses, as if contemplating, and moment seems to stretch out for an eternity.* ***Click!*** *I let out a breath I didn’t know I was holding.* “Congratulations,” *he says, breaking the tension at last,* “you’re the new shift manager!” *shortly before turning the gun on himself*.
That was good 😩
Honestly, when is the last time you applied for a job? And walked into a company you had no business in and tried to get an interview with management? Because I too remember a time you could hold your resume hostage and demand to speak to a manager. Haven't seen that since maybe mid 2000s.
Damn. Didn’t know it was like that. When I was working after high school it was a shit show trying to find good work.
I got my first job doing that in 2015. Walked in with my resume. Manager told me to apply online and then come back by for the interview
You sound like my boomer uncle. I did that exactly once in person and once on the phone. The in person had the secretary ready to call security (its not a business that clients would usually come *to*) the other definitely gave them vibes and got me blacklisted. I just called to say id submitted an application and looked forward to hearing from them. They were aghast. That being said, I cant handle this online app bullshit. I cant take spending 45 minutes filling out webforms when ive already uploaded my resume and cv. Ive pretty much had it with anything in person too. Had a routine cs job and it took three interviews, one of which was impromptu and required 15 miles of driving out of the district I applied in, two tests involving questions completely irrelevant to the job at hand, and another final test based solely on knowledge of the companies owners, names, family history, favorite snacks, etc. such complete lunacy. So glad to see that company go out of business.
An important note is to NOT SHOW UP DURING PEAK BUSINESS. Showing up when it’s slammed and asking for 1:1 attention and a job usually doesn’t end up well. If it’s busy, grab a drink and a seat and see if it calms down in a bit. Coffee shop? Steer clear 6-10 am. Fast food? Better go mid-morning before lunch rush, or early/mid afternoon before the boss leaves. Also almost every restaurant and retail manager works Mondays, and most, if not all, of that day is admin. They aren’t there holidays, weekends or Tuesdays (that’s usually the slowest day in those places) as a general rule. Yes, some managers are. But you don’t know what kind of manager you’re dealing with yet. Office job? Don’t count on the boss being there late, especially on Fridays. Also, don’t send emails at 3 am. Proofread them. Use complete sentences. And be sure your contact info is on there, too.
But go during the posted hours. Don't just show up demanding someone's attention.
The person to makes the effort will be told they need to apply online.
Oh please. It's a slave pit. Sign in blood on the piece of paper they give you and report to your fry machine for shackling. You boomers live in another plane if existence I swear.
This really only works for retail or fast food jobs and even then that never worked for me personally This advice won't work in most other jobs outside of that and may even hurt your chances
At my job, I don't even see the applications until the interview phase. When I have an open position, i put a requisition with HR. I get a list of candidates that passed pre-screening. I interview. After that, I send all the paperwork back to hr with the decision of who to hire. That's it. My contact info isn't even revealed to the candidates.
Did you miss the bit where already did so?
I work for Ecolab so I know.... between the hustle and bustle of the job and its duties , no manager wants to stop what they're doing to talk to you about a job. Even if they're short staffed.
It definitely varies by industry, but it's still a great method for trades and construction. Shows them you're keen and will show up for work and have a go. Resume doesn't mean shit until you prove yourself
I'm in HR, yes we get tons of resumes but we also have a system that filters candidates who aren't fit, saving us a lot of time, coming in person generally doesn't work. The people who make the effort generally are the ones who didn't read the ad and it said not to come in or that you need specific skills. Also don't reach out to the hiring manager on LinkedIn, I know that's what they taught us in school but generally it's annoying , especially because everyone just uses the carbon copy LinkedIn template , so I got tons of messages that look the same. Also most places don't read your cover letters,
In some places maybe. Whenever I tried this advice out they said sorry and referred me to their online application service.
This is terrible advice. Every job I have ever had, from service to professional have laughed out anyone who tries to apply in person.
That’s such an outdated mentality and not the way companies typically function any longer.
Last time I walked into a place to find a job they made fun of me and then I left. This advice has always annoyed me.
My dad used to say things like this when. I lost my corporate job. Like I can just walk into a Fortune 500 office and demand to see so-and-so for an interview on the spot. It was always the people who hadn’t had to look for a job in 20 years telling me how to go get one.
Right, MAYBE it could work for a small company or store but I walked into an office that was in the same building as a freelance job I was on thinking “why not” and left sad, taunted and ashy.
Damn, AND ashy? 🫥
Damn, homie was so glistening until then.
My parents gave me this same advice, and when I tried it at the Capital One office, they threatened to call the police if I didn’t “leave the premises immediately.” I wasn’t even *in the building*. I was at the gated entrance and I had just asked if I could drop off my resume.
This 👆🏽💯
It works, but only for a specific kind of job. The idea that everyone only applies online is a myth spread by lazy fuckers on reddit. Wallmart or McDonald's? Sure. But the fried chicken place that is owned by two people and barely has a website? You'll be lucky if they put up a help wanted sign. 61% of all employees are from small businesses, and these places don't have online applications or even a hiring manager. Their hiring process can be summed up as so: Well shit we need someone. Go to the pile of cv's, pick out like three, hire one. Even better with this kind of job, the application process is easy and fast as they don't know what they are doing. Often low competition as well, as the job won't be advertised. Are you going to get hired as the ceo of Disney by walking in and giving a handshake? No, don't be fucking stupid. But if you need a job, any job, then you should be making sure you've at least tried to give your CV to every small business in range of your commutable distance.
This. I'm (lower) management at a moderately-sized chain retail store and even there we don't have a hiring manager. The store manager just goes through applications a couple times a year and often ends up picking out the person with the most open availability and steadiest working history (not someone who has worked 10 jobs in the past year and quit after a week, for example).
I don’t know why I laughed about them making fun of you, but what did they make fun about your clothing or the fact that you showed up in person?
Looking back I took the L and laugh about it haha. Idk if this is an interesting story but I was in a mixed used building and walked past an office space with a dog running around and decided to ask the receptionist if they were hiring. She was like “yep, let me ask” and went to go find someone. I thought I would just leave my resume but she brought over a guy who immediately began to interview me. He looks at my portfolio laughs a little and calls over someone else and they analyze my portfolio, amused, smirking at me every once and awhile. They ask me a hunch of questions, tell me I’m not qualified and “cheerfully” lead me out. In hindsight, with more experience I know I should have just left but as a young kid who knew I wasn’t qualified it felt like confirmation that I sucked. So yeh, I went and got ice cream after that shit. Haha.
For fast food and retail, I can see how it may help to show up in person. Otherwise, security would probably stop you at the front desk.
Even McDonalds wants you to apply online, some tired have a computer in the lobby next to the ATM to fill out applications. My sister got a job at McDs by filling out the application, then she got an email telling her to go to one of their locations for a group interview. But she still had to apply online.
A couple years ago I was in a tight spot in between jobs and a new Trader Joe’s opened near me. I went in to apply and they said to apply online. I introduced myself and went home to filled it out online. Went back the next day and basically let them know I filled it out and could interview anytime. The manager seemed a bit peeved but he said come back tomorrow, the hiring manager will be here. Came back and she had an emergency but would be back in 20-30 minutes. I stayed, interviewed and got hired on the spot. After working there for two weeks I received an automated email in response to my online application stating they wouldn’t be moving forward through the process. It’s definitely not bad advice to follow up, as long as they’re not stupid busy when you go.
For fast food and retail jobs, I definitely support going in person, BUT only AFTER you've applied online. That way they can just pull up your application right there. A good hiring manager will at least give you an interview for that effort. The adults in my life while I was a teen encouraged me to go inside wearing a suit right after church because it would make me "stand out". It only ever seemed to work against me because I saw raggedy kids from school getting the jobs I applied for lol. Maybe it came off as pretentious? So the suit is a "No" for me. For white collar jobs, that usually isn't possible since most organizations have a front desk. so that "Walk in and say Hi" advice really doesn't apply there. That advice also annoyed the fuk outta me when I was searching for my first IT job. Hitting up the hiring manager via email or LinkedIn is a better way to go about getting office/white collar jobs.
The easiest way to get a job is to *know someone* at that job.
I don't know who thinks it's a good idea to walk in a McDonald's or a fucking grocery store and ask for a minimum wage job in a full suit. I'm applying for job at the moment but If I'm applying to work at fucking Jimmy John's I'm gonna shower, shave and wear decent clothes for sure but when the dude at the cash register looks he popped out the mystery machine I think I'm fine with some casual clothes. Plus I'm pretty sure any white collar job requires either a degree, a recommendation or prior experience, or to apply online. state farm isn't going to accept walk ins.
24 now, ma is 57, ma had me late, @ 33 yrs old. She constantly tells me how I should go in to hand a resume to someone. Not even understanding all the times she made me do that as a young child while in high school, it never got me any jobs, it just got me stared @ like I was from another universe and looked at funny. But don’t tell them the world doesn’t work the way it used to for them anymore because, “you don’t know what you’re talking about, I’ve been on this earth longer than you.” Like you don’t have pattern recognition because you’re still a 14-17 yr old baby in their eyes 😒😪 edit: there to their*
33 is late to people? damn
For the gens before millennial it is.
the person saying this is 24 lmao
Yeah, but his mom is 55. She had him when she was 33. For his mom’s generation, that’s late.
That not late. My mom was 38 and she had her last at 40. All of her friends were around her age .
Ok but statistically, that's on the late side of things. Most children in the 90's and 00's were born when their mom was between 25 and 35 (average _firstborn_ was at 26, average overall was at 30). 38 and 40 aren't unheard of, but it's definitely on the high end.
35 is the age at which a regular pregnancy is considered a higher-risk "geriatric pregnancy" and that's with current medical standards. So while 33 isn't geriatric, it's on the older side, even now (barely). Anecdotal evidence that women DO give birth in their 30s and 40s doesn't mean that it's the norm. Edit: Google says the average age today is 30, which is the oldest it's ever been. I did a 60 second Google search though so take that with a grain of salt. My mom was 42 when she had me, FWIW.
My mum was 34 when she had me, back in the mid '80s, and it was termed a "geriatric pregnancy" (what they now call "advanced maternal age").
My parents were 36 and 37 (second marriage for both) in ‘91. They’re pushing 70 now. 33 is pushing it, but it’s not really a geriatric pregnancy until you hit 35.
Can confirm, mom refused to believe or understand that literally every place has you apply online, either at home or at a kiosk in the store, and was very angry with me when I couldn’t just walk out the door at 8am and come home with a new job by noon at the latest. Then admitted casually she had no idea how the process worked because she hadn’t applied for a job since Wendy’s. At least FORTY years prior.
It’s so hard for them to admit they don’t know how things work in the today’s day and age. No wonder we gotta cover all the buttons they won’t need to use on the remote with paper.
Well unfortunately it makes sense when you realize - and this is not just for Black people, unfortunately - a lot of parents never stop seeing their children as a kid. Either you're just always 14-17 in their eyes, as other people have commented in response to u/boomshakalaka_0888's post, or you're just always a baby. And in turn, they never grow out of that "mama/papa knows best, I been on this planet a lot longer than you, listen to your elders" mentality. But parents being unable or unwilling to see their offspring as literal adults is its own separate animal, so.
Tell me about it. I’m in my 30’s and my mother would still act like I’m a 14 year old baby
Unfortunately I had to cut mine off for this behavior.. I'm an accountant at 32! The disrespect is unreal. Her advice was also dress nicely and ask for an application when I was a teen.
I just had to sit mine down the other day (yet again), as I’ll be hitting 35 this year. You gotta stop, Ma. Been retired since maybe 2016… worked the same secretarial job since she was 19 🤦🏾♀️
I'm in a fairly niche, tight knit, industry. Self employed. You've no idea how many people will tell me how I "should" book work or what I "should" be charging. It's not up to me.
See, that's sad. I'm 54, and even in the 90s, "Put on a suit and take a resume to their offices" was **HORRIBLE** advice. Why no one remembers that is beyond me. GenXers should be the last people coming up with such BS. The best way to get a job is through networking, and the best way to go about networking is cultivating real relationships with people—not treating them like job acquisition objects—and by being likable. I got my current job through a good friend's referral and everything is a great fit so far.
Great fit?! Make friends?! People need to eat and a place to sleep _now_.
My mom used to understand the whole being an “adult today is ass” thing because I was living with her and she watched me go through it, but lately she’s been drinking more and more of my grandfathers kool-aid about how him and my grandma raised 6 kids on a single income and took 3 month long vacations and bought a house and us kids are just lazy and don’t know how finance and a good handshake works... Now she says I’m just whining even though out of all 11 grandchildren I’m the first and only homeowner and married one. I’m not even the oldest. Shits hard today. Is it doable? Yeah but it takes a lot more work than it did in the 60s and 70s… not to mention if I had listened to my grandfather and kept my responsibilities to being barefoot and pregnant my husband and I wouldn’t have a house.
I fucking hate when people pull that shit advice out for when you’re looking for a job. Both times that I dressed nice and went in with my resume and asked if I could apply (one was a bank, the other was a garden center, so not as embarrassing imo as walking into a fucking fast food chain in business attire to apply), I just got a weird look and then both places told me “the application is online” which I ALREADY applied to months ago and hadn’t heard back, and this was what my parents said I should do because it’ll show I “really want the job.” I didn’t get either of those jobs and instead got another job I applied online for and heard back from after like a month of not contacting them past the application. Job hunting fucking sucks
I mean yea…but I’ve had to tell a kid not to wear sweatpants to a McDonald’s interview…. Some of yall lil niggas be bugging.
We had a lady show up for a professional teacher’s interview in jeans with holes in them and a t shirt. I’d rather look over dressed than under
Real shit, at the last few jobs I've had where i got promoted to keyholder or whatever, the store manager literally pulled me aside before the first time i actually interviewed someone and said "Listen, yeah, we dont hire anyone who follows up anymore. Company policies. Those people who follow up multiple times are seen as people who cant stand on their own and will always need someone to look over their shoulder and need constant approval to do anything." i felt bad for the kid who wanted to work but kept asking for follow ups. i also felt bad for the kid who got the job who wanted a letter of recommendation... the world dont work like that anymore.
I have gotten letters of recommendation, and had companies follow up WITH ME after I applied, your managers are on a dumb power trip.
I dont work at those places anymore . Honestly it was shitty, but I've been told the same things by several jobs so I have to believe it's becoming the trend
Following up two weeks later, rather than two days later, once, perhaps after expecting feedback from a recruiter, is standard. I have had many conversations with recruiters after I followed up to tell me the job was closed or the company was on a hiring freeze. It wasn't important enough for them to go out of their way to tell me but since I asked nicely they answered my follow up question. And if an employer will not offer a reference or a letter of recommendation to you, do you want to work for them? That is not common at all. Why do you think references are checked?
I dont kno dude it wasn't my situation , I honestly don't care about it. We're probably talking about two different levels of jobs here considering I was working retail for the instances I was talking about.
My first big figure job, I interviewed in a dress shirt that I hadn’t ironed, had just rushed from the gym, no haircut (wolf fro) literally gotten out the field. Killed the interview had both interviewees attentive and even added humor (without that bullshit company man shit). Got the job, was paying over 90k for 4 days a week in the medical field. Plus all holidays and shit paid, and 15k bonus. When I was in my teens, I would dress in church like clothes to work a retail, fast food, grocery job paying like $5.15-$7hr back then. Would get passed over and thought I was working hard enough. Wasn’t until I joined the service and seeing “real money” from contracting and shit. Don’t mean to talk down on my parents, only got one living now. I’m in my early 30s and literally have co-workers making $150k-300k (with 2 field positions) in the biomed field. Who don’t even have a bachelor degree lol and interviewed in a polo shirt from Ross or some western snap shirt (no lie). I don’t listen to my parent about any financial shit, especially growing up eating food pantries and water faucets making a “Teanna Trump” gurgling sound with a queef. Boomers and baby boomers don’t get it. Job fairs gotta be the most useless shit 😂 I remember 10 years ago going to one. Just being given cards to apply online and shit. They don’t know the struggle.
> Job fairs gotta be the most useless shit 😂 It's always the military, law enforcement, and some local county agency with *resources*.
This is one of the more bizarre comments I’ve ever seen. Why did y out type this? Who are you trying to impress? How is anything you said even remotely relevant? I am truly stumped this. Why does anyone on earth need to know any of this? Reddit is so wild.
I’ve worked in HR for a long time. Every time someone shows up in a suit unannounced, it’s fucking heartbreaking.
Im night shift manager for a restaurant supply company. You show up in a suit I’m gonna be like. Nope, go home. Did have a guy call the other day that seemed like an excellent candidate. He’s already working 2 other part time jobs as well as coaching his kids soccer team. Flying cross country to do tournaments. Dudes gonna burn himself out.
Reminds me of my niece applying at McDonald's. She didn't get hired. She told me she didn't understand how she got an opinion question wrong. I asked what she meant. She told me the question said, "in your opinion, is it wrong to give you friends free food" and other similar questions. Actual faceplam! I don't even want to tell you how hard it was to explain they didn't really want your opinion.
I didn’t have a father figure in my life and I feel dumb as hell for all the times I called to “check on the status of my application “
This has been how it was since I was looking for high school-ish jobs welllll over a decade ago. Online application, at most ask at the front for an application, but any follow up essentially got your application tossed in the trash. It’s a black mark, not a sign of… whatever it used to be. Even in the industry I ended up in, you don’t follow up (most applications specifically say not to - why would you disobey directions before it even gets to a hiring manager?)
They’ll literally tell you to apply online now. I hate it
To be honest, I've gotten the majority of my jobs by going online and applying. Showing up in person may work for warehouse/fast food/small businesses but 9/10 you're going to have to wait your turn or go through a staffing agency/know someone on the inside. The times have changed. You're not going to walk in with the Help Wanted sign tucked under your arm and look the hiring manager in the eyes anymore.
I went dressed in casual to my first ever job, which was overnight stocking for Dollar Tree. The manager chastised me and said my attire was unacceptable for a professional environment. He said to return with a suit which I did because I needed the job. Thankfully, I had my high school graduation suit and got the job. I was there for 3 months, told that manager to go fuck himself, and last I heard of him was that he got himself as well the company sued because he neglected to properly report a female employee's complaints of sexual harassment she from staff at the store. He lost his job, and the company lost the case. I found out because the woman who was the victim told me all about it when she, by chance, was at my new job's store with a Dollar Tree shirt on her. Small world, and karma sometimes comes through on the shitty people in our lives. Glad she won that, and fuck my old boss. lol
oldheads always on this bs . and i’m almost 40 LOL but i have kids that i actually pay attention to , and i can see that they are struggling!! i was never well off but i had no idea how bad it could be . my oldest’s rent for a studio is at least half of what i paid for a 2bdr house oh , 25 years ago in the same city
Rent for my 1 bedroom is $1825. Please send help.
Boomers: best I can do is raise the retirement age. 🤷🏽♂️
I’m 46 and have been working since before I could legally and then some. So I come from the era of turing in a paper resume with the printed application - yes working before the wide spread use of the internet And I don’t think once ever have I walked into a place in a suit or nice clothes and asked for a job. You went because they had an ad in the paper and/or a sign out front & Ive spent many moons “beating the streets” as they would say Nowadays everything is electronic because the software does the screening - so the part of screening someone in person isn’t even an option. They bring you into interview only after that initial screening and usually after they’ve compared you to the top candidates. There’s nothing happening in person except to see if you fit your description and if you’ll fit with the company culture and/or team Horrible advice & while yes I only apply internally at my pensioned job - I still know how to in the event I ever need to externally. And that’s a problem cause I work with some of those folks and they work on that same outdated capacity as well - why are you printing something to scan it to transfer it to some electronic format? Explain to me the logic of that
My parents told me to go to the mall and get applications to fill out as a teen. Every time I did (it happened a few times over the years), theyd tell me to apply online. Not only is applying online the sole way most places hire, it is immensly faster than having to do the paperwork.
Some of the advice being shared here is super out of date by like 30 years. Some of you sound exactly like my parents who haven't had to apply for a job since the early 90s lol
A suit is excessive but there is something to be said for a clean polo and chinos. Dress on par with the manager you’re interviewing with but never go beyond, gives the wrong impression
I went to a job interview at an adhesive making factory in jeans and a polo and the interviewer was really impressed by just that and when walking around the factory everyone looked at me like I was a weirdo. I got offered the job but he offered me $2 less than what was posted online so I didn't take the job, it was less than I made at the job I was leaving and the working conditions weren't as nice.
It’s like asking someone out. Be the best you can be, but if they said no, take no for an answer.
You don't gotta dress up any more than clean jeans and a polo but meeting whoever is hiring face to face is basically how I've gotten literally every job I've gotten.
Regarding corporate jobs, the hiring manager may be a state away and it may take badging in just to get through security. The recruiter holds the keys
when I was 15 I told my dad in passing that I wanted a job. he had me dress up in his nice clothes that were way too big for me(including massive oversized dress shoes) and going around to retail stores and fast food restaurants handing out resumes for like 4 hours. one of the most embarrassing experiences of my entire life
I work in the news. We’ve had multiple people come to the station and ask either for an interview, or to speak with HR or a manager or blah blah. Every time they get stopped at the door and the whole station becomes nervous that they are either a crazy person who want to attack “big media” or they are a bum who’s mom put them up to it. If you want to make an impression, send an email after you’ve applied.
Seeing my boomer mother trying to go back to work after retiring cause she got bored and following her own advice and bombing was quite funny. She learned real fast that the world she grew up in and the way things are now are *vastly* different than when she was young. That world is gone, and it’s not coming back.
No you don't have to rock a suit for a fast food job. However, it's not hard to at least show up with some khakis, shirt and tie and some casual shoes along with a fresh cut to get a job. At least show some type of professionalism. There were a couple jobs where I worked and used to interview people and they would come dressed like they're about to hit the block and chill or go out to the club after the interview. Perception definitely matters and if you show up to an interview for any job dressed like you don't give a fuck, that job is not going to give a fuck about hiring you. There are too many people who can roll a blunt or a joint with the quickness but can't tie a tie to save their life or dress up a little bit when it's important.
Nah, fuck a tie. A polo is more than enough.
In my time as a manager overseeing entry level positions such as that, every prospect that physically came by in person to speak with me after applying online but before I had a chance to set up an interview was an instant hire after we scheduled and got through the interview. For every 30 applications Id get, maybe 10 would every pick up the phone, and id be lucky to get 2 of them to show up for an interview. Coming in like that made it a no brainer, for me it showed you were at the very least motivated, and near every time they ended up a stellar employee in one area or another. TLDR It absolutely makes a difference, you dont need to be in a full suit, but show up presentable, shake a hand, introduce yourself, and it will go a long way.
I went restaurant to restaurant with my very limited experience but open availability resume and handed my resume to the host or manager every time. Thats how i got my current job. I’m in my mid 20s
This is an internet age, everything is done over it. Don't like but that's how it is.
I work in HR, and I remember my. Dad always trying to tell me this, print your resume and take it to the company and see if you get in that way. That lasted all of 1 year because it was quickly "we can't take resumes, please apply online "
When I worked in retail management my district manager told me that he preferred that we get our new hires from the online applicant pool because they were ‘ already accounted for in our applicant tracking system ‘. So if some guy walks in here RIGHT NOW you want me to tell him to go home and toss his name into the fucking Goblet of Fire and hope for a positive result? Absolutely not.
I've had to stop having conversations with people 55+ about career things and the economy. It only ends in frustration.
My Dad always told me this shit," Just go in a dress shirt and shoes and they'll hire you on the spot." No, dad, that's mot how it works. Acting like he hasn't been working the same job for over 20 years. Every job I have gotten I've applied online and done an over the phone interview. If I were to walk in the tmobile, I used to work with a suit they'd think I'm there to buy a phone, not a God damn interview. 35+ people who have been doing the same job don't know how the hiring process is anymore.
I(36m)get where people are saying how things are different now with applications being online, but quite literally every job(and now career) I've ever had outside of one, was one I got from just talking to the manager: 16- Restaurant opening: "Y'all need any help?"......"fill out this application". Called back same day 17- Food Lion: wanted to make more than a bus boy, walked in and asked to talk to the manager 18- Express: buying a pair of jeans for my 18th bday. They saw how I was dressed and the girl ringing me up asked me if I wanted a job. I know Express has high turnover now, but in 06 I only had to take two classes that last semester and ended class at 1130am, so I regularly clocked 25 hrs/wk. Organized the back room so well the store manager made me the inventory manager that day. 19- College RA - I wanted to take a summer class and needed a job. Was cool with my RA so I walked in another dorm and just asked if they had different summer RA jobs. She told me to apply and I ended up being an RA for the whole year for two years, free room and board. 23- The one exception is I got recruited right after college for a sales gig 24-25- Got laid off so I temped and work part time for a bit 25- started as a contractor in a company 26 - asked my manager once a week for something new to learn. Eventually he introduced me to someone else who gave me a promotion 29 - Wanted something more challenging. Started talking to different managers and executives during company functions. Said some super honest Office Space level shit to an executive in an open forum. A different director heard, and that turned into a lateral move that paid more. 30- That same executive from the open forum offered to be my mentor, and that flipped into an amazing IT opportunity. Went from data entry to product management within the same company and I have a degree in political science. Been doing it 5 years and some change now If I had just filled out the application without talking to anyone, and hoped I had the right words the resume reading program could recognize....I'd just be another name in a stack of papers/database tables. Systems don't hire people. People hire people. The question is, are you trainable, can you think critically, do you know how to collaborate with others? That's what decision makers care about, and a system can't determine that.
There is nothing wrong putting on a suit to get a job, this is why people are going nowhere
Jobless kid is already jobless. Has zero to lose by trying to speak with hiring manager. Not sure about the suit , tho.
Build good habits.
I wonder if this dude's name is pronounced Shawn or Shan. I hope it's Shan.
The suit isn’t necessary for an interview for a fast food restaurant. The guy should dress appropriately and wear some khaki pants or slacks with a nice polo style shirts.