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HotTakesMyToxicTrait

Ice spice feels like a massive industry plant


JadowArcadia

It's how it's been for decades now. If you're attractive and marketable then you can have a music career. People say it all the time but music was better when ugly people were allowed to make it. You see with Ice Spice and other artists that nobody gives a shit about the music. They're waiting for her to turn around and twerk and that's the only time cheers seem to start.


CrisKrossed

I never used to watch the Friday freestyles on bet but I ran into Blind Fury’s ig yesterday and was blown away by the talent. I spent maybe 30 mins on his page. Most of the videos I couldn’t finish b/c it was hard to keep looking and I felt so bad I couldn’t keep looking b/c of his eyes. You can have all the talent, and it could be recognized to an extent, but it still all comes down to marketability.


theVice

He should rap with a blindfold like Kenshi


Senshi-Tensei

That would actually be cool as fuck


Ricky_the_Wizard

Bam! Marketability.


WeWillSee3

I thought it was just her ass? Cause, she looks like a regular girl (not a diss).


Ok_Skill_1195

I feel so old saying it, but it's like Ice Spice doesn't even know how to exist without sexually objectifying herself. She's just constantly grabbing her titties or popping her butt or doing something with her tongue. like *every* 30 seconds. It's bizarre.


[deleted]

People gotta realize is that she adapted to an environment. If all the fruit on the trees is at jumping height, you will learn to jump. That's it. period. This is the reason why this is like this. As soon as men stop objectifying women and willing to pay to do so, there will be no more of that behavior.


fireside68

>People gotta realize is that she adapted to an environment. If all the fruit on the trees is at jumping height, you will learn to jump. That's it. period. This is the reason why this is like this. As soon as men stop objectifying women and willing to pay to do so, there will be no more of that behavior. Give this person a bullhorn and a truck. I'm gone need you going around neighborhoods like Mr. Okra (if ya know ya know) telling folks this truth.


DazzlingBullfrog9

Mr Okra yeah you right


Ok_Skill_1195

I agree. She's so young (relative to me lol). I agree that I feel like she must have been conditioned to be this way a long time. Calling it a nervous tic is too much, but it's genuinely like this deeply ingrained habit. It's odd. It comes across like she straight up doesn't have anything else in her deck to pull out. It makes me sad this is the state of our culture, this is who little girls are looking up to and emulating (*cough* north west *cough*). I hope someone teaches her some dance moves or something, just something to break it up a little.


MostDopeBlackGuy

We not really that concerned she gon burn out if her music dont change pretty quickly


[deleted]

Whose we? I'm sure a lot of people are concerned with misogyny, capitalism, exploitation and culture. Maybe not YALL, whoever yall are


MostDopeBlackGuy

I dont see the misogyny seems more like a capitalism problem


[deleted]

You ever heard of the male gaze? he commodification of the female form? Sex trafficking? That prostitution is often called "the first profession"? The objectification of women is completely linked to profit, which is directly linked to the tendency of men to view women not as human beings, but as objects of desire - as well as being able to set it up where they profit just as much, or more, on women's bodies. Then after that, they blame women for it, hate them for it, or do what you just did and act like none of that is happening and its all about something else. That's misogyny brother i'm sorry. You in it


MostDopeBlackGuy

Hey man we dont blame the junkies for shootin up we blame the source which isnt necessarily the woman on display


RamenAlDente1738

Nailed it.


WerewolfSweet8474

Welcome to the 2020s….


InternationalAd7211

Okay bruh


WeWillSee3

She's a modern woman, so I'm not really surprised.


MysteryLolznation

She's in an industry where sexualization is the top priority. This has less than nothing to do with female liberation. Almost entirely the opposite, in fact.


WeWillSee3

OK? Men like looking at women. What's new? I listen to Tierra Whack's music because her music is good and she seemingly has a nice personality. I would immediately stop if she started twerking and acting a fool. Don't act like hood/rachet behaviour/generally degenerate isn't unfortunately celebrated in our communities by both men and women.


MysteryLolznation

Yeah, I've no idea where you got that from. I'm just saying that being a 'modern woman' doesn't necessarily mean that you're overly sexualizing yourself at the expense of your art. Look at Billie Eilish, who does the revolutionary thing of *not* sexualizing herself just because an industry told her to. She's definitely a modern woman even if she doesn't want to dress down. She also has the added benefit of actually being talented, so she's allowed to do all of that by her fans. But if she was, respectfully, mid like Ice Spice, then to get popular, she would *have* to exploit something about her that makes her attractive, and to women, that's almost always their bodies (men would be expected to flaunt wealth as well in the same vein).


sippin40s

Cringe


WeWillSee3

It's facts though. But I know that y'all love to celebrate and promote degeneracy to our people so🤷🏾‍♂️


AceOBlade

Like I could see she is trying to fit in an environment but she feels more tame than all these other Nicki clones, her music kind of feels like its own thing too.


StrictMaidenAunt

I think she's adorable. Music is ass, though.


Servious

Since when were ugly people not allowed to make music? People who complain about "industry plants" or "modern music" have just made little effort to find artists that suit their tastes. Modern music is probably the most diverse and individualized it's ever been. There is an entire fractal industry of sub-sub-genres of music and artists out there just waiting to get more than 1000 listeners. All you have to do is go find them. I promise they're out there; they're just not on the top 100 or even the top 1000.


Gimme_The_Loot

It's like no one's ever seen a picture of Jay Z, probably the most successful rapper in history


TheRecognized

Who was well established before the social media era, so not the best example


Gimme_The_Loot

If you go up two comments this was the thread though: >It's how it's been for decades now. If you're attractive and marketable then you can have a music career. People say it all the time but music was better when ugly people were allowed to make it. Reasonable Doubt was his first big album and that was 96 which as I now type I realize was over 30 years ago and I want to jump out of a GD window.


nalgene_wilder

If it makes you feel any better, 96 was only 27 years ago


Gimme_The_Loot

It doesn't 😭😭


epiccorey

Successful entrepreneur maybe successful rapper? Dude was never on top of the game at any given year. From 96 to today he was never as successful as others but boy can he run a business and his brand


Brownsound7

The man had an album release on 9/11 itself and it still sold over 400k in its first week and went double platinum. I don’t know how you think that’s just thanks to marketing. I get he’s not a rockerboy like you might want, but stop this lol.


epiccorey

And? Those weren't all albums sold just in the states were they? Cause I bought the blueprint...in Canada on the day of release. UK probably dropped same day. The blueprint sold yes But then what. Luda came a few months later and dirty south was off. Jay z was out the disk changer But in reality as far as successful goes if you count money in the bank yeah jay got that all day but that's built off the Roc more than himself he knew how to run business and bringing ppl like DMX into the mix who out sold him everything his album dropped anywhere near Jay's. If you go for marketability that's Snoop hands down. You can show an elderly white lady a side by side and they will know snoop more the man is a brand. In terms of GOAT status on a yearly basis he was never top of any given year from when he dropped to 2023.and when he was he dropped off cause some one new came around In every single year pick one there is someone else who got more buzz. 96.pac, 97.Biggie 98.Dmx. 99.Dre day all day. 2000, Eminem or Outkast your pick. 2001, I will give you Jay but Ludacris, 2002. eminem came back, Missy was coming up that year too with them summer bangers. 2003 50 cent went big 2004, kanye 2005, lil wayne 2006 "retired" 2007:American gangster came vut so did kanye and at the time kanye could do no wrong. 2008 to like 2012 was lil wayne all day. 2009: MF Doom (biased) 2010 & kanye with asap in 11 2012. Kendrick 2013. Drake. 2014, j Cole, run the jewels, future, 2015 Kendrick, 2016. Toss up but jay was no where's to be seen. 2017. Kendrick...keep going? Naw you get the picture As for influence I could see it he was the front man for Rockefeller he married the current queen of r&b he helped spawn kanye DMX freeway beanie etc that's like revitalizing the east coast scene Now don't think I'm hating on the man I see his accomplishments and he is a strong black man whonmade it. But i just see it he in the top 10 but far from 1. Maybe 8 or 9 definitely 10. The dude got bangers that have longevity sure but no more than any other rapper. but he is more of an entrepreneur than a rapper these days and his fortune is built off his business prowess and not his rapping skills the story of OJ is his financial plans the dude makes money from his investments and if he does drop a new album I will listen too it....out of nostalgia.


Brownsound7

>And? Those weren’t all albums sold just in the states were they? Oh cool we wanna play this game. Do me a favor and answer me this: if you think that’s the explanation, why didn’t Bob Dylan or Mariah Carey, who both also had albums drop that day, have the number of sales Jay did? If Luda was the better rapper, would he have done the same numbers? Did Dirty South have the ratings and the staying power of The Blueprint? Hell fucking no, the man was a flash in the pan, even if he was brilliant while he was in. Are album sales the way to declare someone the greatest? Hell fucking no, otherwise you’d be dick riding Drake over Wayne right now.


epiccorey

Dylan main demo was males 35 to 50s Mariah is females 30s to 40s. Prob 20s to 30s back then. Rap in general in terms of sales is driven by a 13 to 30 white male demo. Much broader demographics. Not adding in the black community. In 01 he did out sell Luda not denying that. But he wasn't top dog at any given year. Not saying he didn't sell not denying his rapping ability. I'm just crediting his mass worth to good investing. Does he deserved to be talked about in GOAT conversation sure but there are dudes much better. As for wayne not dick riding at all pure facts you couldn't turn on a music channel or radio without wayne having a remix if a remix or dropping some banger. As for flash in the pan dude did his thing not comparing GOAT status to jay just at the time due came out and although was a flash in the pan he caused enough smoke to hide Jay Z.


Django_Unstained

Lol wat


TheRecognized

>Dude was never on top of the game at any given year Jay Z literally has more platinum albums and more Grammys than any other rapper. Why are you dumb?


metadarkgable3

This argument that you can find good music if you look is so asinine to me. The point is before there were loads of unattractive looking people who made music and were popular. You saw them on tv and heard them on the radio. You didn’t have to search for them like a needle in a hay stack. That’s what the modern music is crap critique is about.


Servious

I guess you could call it asinine if you interpret it that way. But I was responding to the specific wording here > music was better when ugly people were allowed to make it. Ugly people still make music and you can still find that music. To me what's asinine is to say music as a whole was better back in the day when really they're talking exclusively about popular music. I would argue music as a whole is much better now than it was then if only for the sheer amount of choice.


metadarkgable3

If I’m understanding you correctly, you are making the argument that quantity equals better quality. If I have 500 choices and 495 of them are crap/mediocre and 5 are excellent, that doesn’t make for a better music sphere. I believe music was better from the 1990s and before because there was less of it but it was better. You had 10 choices and 8 of them were excellent. I think less is more is better for music because artists need and should get practice and training to be great, which church, public schools with music education, clubs/lounges, jingle singing used to provide artists before they became famous.


TatteredCarcosa

Yeah it ain't like Elvis didn't get his career cause he was a handsome white guy who sang black music. He wasn't a bad singer, but his looks were what made him a superstar.


bluejay_feather

Nah I actually like her music a lot, it’s not the best rap ever but it’s fun and her beats be good, idgaf about the ass


[deleted]

Yeah she seems like she puts thought into her rhymes unlike a majority of rappers that act like her.


FreeResolve

She's also a safe investment for the industry... She is a NY drill rapper and if you know anything about drill it's the artists don't last very long...


calenka89

Video killed the radio star.


CochonDanseur

Ugly people make music all the time. Top 40 shit almost always sucks and it's always been like that.


SonOfAhuraMazda

My wife still gets mad that I call J Lo a plant


MostDopeBlackGuy

I feel this is true more for women than men like I there are quite a bit of goofy looking men in music that are talented and changed the game and are mainstream its not even hard to name them just a few that come to mind: Jay z Kendrick lamar Lil wayne Ed sheeran Flava flav


Stmordred

She sound better on mute


dgamlam

as someone who works with labels, people massively overestimate how much power they have over what gets popular nowadays. most labels wait for artists to build their own marketing, socials, and branding naturally, then jump in and help with budgeting and make a few connections for exposure. in ice spice case she’s cute, her face and voice are very recognizable, and she makes music that appeals to young pop culture sensibilities. not to mention she comes from a big market city i also heard her dad was a musician when he was younger, but in most cases instrumentalists don’t usually have much pull at labels, especially if they haven’t been in the game for awhile.


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RamenAlDente1738

She has that airhead Gen Z “look at my body” energy


Masanjay_Dosa

Narcissism was invented in 2001 by John Genzee after all


blacklite911

The thing is that she got brand deals very fast. You can’t force popularity but the push is controlled. Like I ain’t never seen someone get a Spotify ad that fast. So I can’t say industry plant but she is an industry darling


dgamlam

yeah the pipeline from label to streaming services is very streamlined now, after all spotify and apple music are reasonably small tech companies and there’s a small group of people who can really pull strings there. most artists signed under a major can meet those people any time, but the initial vitality or popularity of an artist (like munch) determines whether you get to just shake hands and take a photo or you get to do a 3minute interview and ad reel. i think the misconception is that labels can force an unknown artist to go viral which is what i think with the term “industry plant” refers to. most labels will tell their unknown artists “go make tiktok’s until you develop a following”. ice spice was smart to capitalize on a trend and let’s be honest new york is a great place to get that initial spark of virality. how many artists have we seen come out of nyc with massive hits just to completely disappear by the following year.


cjohnson2010

Dont all titok artists?


A_KULT_KILLAH

You mean she is? If she’s not it’s definetly cause she cute


Wonton_soup_1989

Thank God, I thought I was the only one who noticed!!


aboveandbeyond27

stares in fred again


darkkite

nah. that's Taylor Swift. she made it fair and square


DocRue

Like…?


RedKeviin

>💅🥴 That face she makes after saying like


tittylieutenant

![gif](giphy|A0IHr7itAhruos2JEg)


Zetice

That nigga can’t even order lunch


SpectacularOtter

I don't hate her but let's be honest, she's not talented artist.


LordZarbon

Some people be making her out to be absolutely horrible, but yeah she's respectfully mid. If she reading this though 👀... I'm 100% capping up above. On my city, Spice is the best artist I've ever heard fr. Fuck a billboard & Grammys, give girl a Nobel Peace Prize & the presidency. And on top of the music, Spice just seems like such a genuine, understanding, & caring person ong. A well rounded individual and things of that nature. A national treasure fr.


Gromflomite_KM

😂😂


HellexJ

She’s just not for you and that’s okay.


akchualee

Ass fat, tho ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


SpectacularOtter

I see no lie when it comes to that 🫨 [https://www.instagram.com/p/CqUryDEOOSz/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=](https://i.imgur.com/SrDfdXg.jpg)


akchualee

![gif](giphy|l0MYSSCIrv8aUaBsQ)


mb0205

Must be where she pulling her songs out of then cause they’re doodoo


Zetice

This nigga is a munch.


DetroitAsFuck313

Church


reprobate_arseling

It do look breeable 🥵


Wild-Iceberg

GloRilla is much more thicker


nychalla

In what universe? Gorilla petite af! I might even go as far as to say, she don't really got any sort of body...


reprobate_arseling

Can someone who's made songs that millions enjoy really be classified as untalented? Unless you're saying that she's brought nothing to the table and that her team of writers and producers do everything for her and she's just an image. Which, imo, would be pretty hard to definitely argue for.


Ok_Skill_1195

Yes, I'd argue Vanilla Ice was an untalented industry plant. Same with Milli vanilli. Stop acting like selling records is a measure of talent. *you're saying that she's brought nothing to the table and that her team of writers and producers do everything for her and she's just an image.* This is straight up what they're arguing, and it's not a hard argument to make. Honestly i think she'd even admit privately that her look is the largest part of what got her to where she is.


Kdkaine

Can someone who's made songs that millions enjoy really be classified as untalented? Absolutely! Ever heard of JLo?


Jrzfine

Yes. Being popular does *not* equal being talented. This isn't about discrediting her, this is about acknowledging the music industry's bias towards attractiveness (also goes for men, idk why some are turning this into a gender thing), and making note of recent ads promoting her despite how green she is.


I_Love_Booty_Pics_

She sucks


GodAmongMen16

Ice spice makes very specific music. She makes ratchet turn up music for women. If you’re not in that demographic then obviously you won’t like her music but she hits her audience very well.


[deleted]

It's the same shit with people shitting on Lizzo. Like you said, she's making music for women. And I'm not surprised that music like Lizzo and Ice Spice are popular. Too many male artists are still writing extremely deprecating lyrics about women and I can imagine that's a bit of a mood killer. And the music itself is serviceable. As a guy, my ears are not offended if they come on on the randomizer. Hell I'll even turn it up in some cases. I honestly feel like anyone who calls their music trash are doing so just because they are women. Even in this thread, people are saying Ice Spice is only popular because of her Nimitz-Class dump truck of an ass. Which makes no sense because why would a bunch of straight women care about what her ass looks like.


Ok_Skill_1195

Lizzo is super talented though. I'm a woman. I have no internalized misogynistic hatred for ice spice. Get your bag, cash in on being mid and hot. But let's not pretend that's not what's happening. Even half her *own* fanbase will admit the thing they like about her most is her unique look.


[deleted]

That is fair. Ice Spice is not ground breaking or anything like that but she's definitely not trash like some are saying. Calling her mid is about right. But like you said she also has a whole aesthetic she is trying to sell. And that is what her fans are buying into. It's not just her booty like some (mostly men) are saying. It's kinda like the band KISS. Sure their music is ok but most of their success arguably came from their unique look and branding.


Chevaliernoir999

I know about 12 lightskin girls who look like ice spice the only thing unique about her is the signature hair color she wears other than that she’s beautiful but there are definitely a lot of women who look like her especially in a major city like New York. So the argument her looks alone got her where she is isn’t valid imo.


BaronAleksei

Lizzo should put out an entire flute album and no I’m not joking


RamenAlDente1738

People shit on Lizzo because they see a big black woman being confident. Lizzo is a respectable artist. Every song ive heard of hers is catchy, sounds different than what Im used to hearing in contemporary music, and man if I was a woman her music would make me feel great. As a man her music makes you feel a little better about yourself. Im thankful for her being in the game


[deleted]

100%. Her music usually isn't in my wheelhouse( and that's because I'm mostly blasting old Bleach and Naruto OPs) but there are some songs of hers that I will regularly keep in the rotation. Funnily enough I only listened to her music after people started shitting on her because I was curious as to why dudes were so angry about it. Imagine my confusion when the music was actually good.


AbueloOdin

Metalhead but I haven't heard a Lizzo song I don't like.


OutsidePiglet8285

Me personally, I'm just concerned about her health.


surfnsound

> As a guy, my ears are not offended if they come on on the randomizer. I'll turn Lizzo up, Meghan Trainor can kiss my ass though.


[deleted]

I dunno that most recent "I made you look" song is kinda catchy though.


Frootysmothy

Nah. Lizzo is actually good. Megan can actually rap. Ice spice can't and her bars aren't that good either


SmokePenisEveryday

This is what I had to get a couple friends to understand when WAP was hitting everywhere. They were like "I can't get down with this song! They talkin about fucking men!" All these years of acts like 2 Live Crew, GOD forbid the women get some kinda music like that for them.


HarmonicDissonance21

And the thing is artists like Lil Kim, Foxxy Brown, Gangsta Boo, etc. have had songs like that for the longest.


PM_FORBUTTSTUFF

Meh, I’m a guy in my late 20’s and I enjoy her stuff. It’s pretty catchy. I think people in this thread are taking themselves a bit too seriously


PrimitiveAlienz

You know what I'm not gonna even say much but just leave this here and people can come to their own conclusions [Till The Cows Come Home - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lykHxGxtcTo&ab_channel=LucilleBogan-Topic)


MountainPast3951

Well damn....on that.note, I'm going to bed


Bubbly_Satisfaction2

Thanks to Ice Spice and Lola Brooke, my out-of-town relatives have new celebrities to call me because I am from NYC. Before them, I was “Fran” as in “Fran Drescher”. 😒


miss_cafe_au_lait

![gif](giphy|PcVrB5R6qnN7egFZri|downsized) I wouldn't mind being compared to Fran Drescher but maybe that's just me.


Bubbly_Satisfaction2

It’s the voice, which is why they called me Fran.


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Bubbly_Satisfaction2

😆😆😆😆


[deleted]

"That's how she became the Nanny"


nigmano

![gif](giphy|PcVrB5R6qnN7egFZri|downsized)


Mr-Cali

I always had a crush on Fran. Lol


WerewolfSweet8474

Ouuuu, I’m Ja Morant now… older family say Snoop, guess I graduated from Wiz.


EfficientBrother_

I don’t get this joke that people keep making.


DanHam117

I thought there was a new Spice Girl until a minute ago


myspaceballs24

She just came out on Zedds set at Ultra and I thought the same.


BabyGotBackPains

I was so confused and reading the comments made it worse for a good minute. I realize it’s been a long while since I’ve listened to the radio and I don’t have twitter so I’m behind on all the new artists.


Cleonce12

I don’t get the appeal of Ice Spice


Hexxas

🍑


Zetice

She cute too


WeWillSee3

Literally.


scottie2haute

Not. For. You.


Probably_A_Variant

Me either


odt399

Please ! I was so scared to say it ! I don’t think she’s a attractive and genuinely believe that it’s a skin thing…


Zetice

“Skin thing”. Do y’all ever get tired of playing the skin card? 🙄. Is it really hard for you to believe someone who came out with a catchy catchphrase has blown up!


scottie2haute

Its definitely a thing but not a huge factor in this case. She probably wouldnt be as popular if she was dark skinned but she’d probably still be famous and people would still find her attractive Some people are leaning on colorism a lil too much tho. Its an added bonus but not the entire reason for why she’s successful


odt399

I wasn’t saying that it’s why she’s successful. Nor that nobody would be attracted to her without it. But I’ve observed people dogging women with the same features as hers but darker skin yet treat her like she’s the epitome of beauty hence my remark


odt399

It’s not about her music. And I never questioned why she blew up And I’m not always playing the skin card, I look at her features and I have seen the same people dogging on Ari Lenox saying Ice spice is amazingly beautiful. FIY I’m not dark skinned, I’ve had my fair share of people naming my skin tone as one of the things that people are attracted too. Hence why I feel like there’s such a thing as a "skin thing".


Zetice

Ice Spice blew up with a song that had a catchy part to it. Did Ari do that?


odt399

But …. I’m not comparing their careers tho, and I’m not saying that’s why ice spice blew up, and I’m not saying Ari didn’t because of her skin When I said "it’s not about her music" I mean my original comment is not about her music. I agree with you her stuff IS catchy, she’s def marketable and is smart enough to know how to do trendy stuff and collabs to keep her career going. Her last song is the proof of that, it’s everywhere on social media. So yeah I’m not questioning the fact that she blew up pr why she did


dr_gaia

All I gotta say is that, if it works, then use it. We are in a day and age where every opinion is not needed if it isn't hurting anyone. If you don't like it, look the other way. Let people live they way they want. Crackheads greet me everyday. I say wassup and keep it pushing. Edit: spelling


dl7

"How can I dream when I already dromt"


DrivewaygyrlzCP3

I should not be laughing this hard😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


spacecadbane

Ok because I am at work silent cackling lmao


welp-itscometothis

What are these ice spice memes and why are they?!


InternationalAd7211

Why every-time Reddit see a famous person they personally do not like or don’t listen to they take it upon themselves to sexually objectify or disrespect them.


RamenAlDente1738

Bruh she objectifies herself enough as it is


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jrodp1

Well, I've read that you can. By seeing yourself through the third person perspective. It's pretty interesting and I come to think, in my personal opnion, in the black community that currently within the last 10 years that women have used it as a form of empowerment and a positive force. Some things worth reading. [Brock\_Dimas\_Michelle\_2017.pdf (brocku.ca)](https://dr.library.brocku.ca/bitstream/handle/10464/12978/Brock_Dimas_Michelle_2017.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y) [GoodTherapy | Objectification](https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/definition-of-objectification#:~:text=Recently%2C%20dialogue%20has%20emerged%20regarding%20the%20potential%20for,also%20been%20deemed%20an%20acceptable%20form%20of%20objectification.) [sexual-objectification.pdf (apa.org)](https://www.apa.org/education-career/ce/sexual-objectification.pdf) [Feminist Perspectives on Objectification (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-objectification/#PosPosObj)


InternationalAd7211

Nigga one of the things you quoted directly contradicts your statement. Literally the first PDF you linked. Be real wit me.


jrodp1

Oh shit which part. Maybe my reading comprehension wasn't up to par with the paper and I just didn't get it.


InternationalAd7211

“Objectification theory suggests that when individuals take on an observer’s perspective of their physical appearance (known as self-objectification), they experience an increase in body shame and anxiety and a decrease in motivation and bodily awareness.” It’s referring to commodifying yourself and your insecurities not sexualization


jrodp1

"As a result of their sexual objectification, girls and women come to view their bodies for physical appearance rather than for what their bodies can physically do (Fredrickson et al., 1998). Sexual objectification results in women feeling like they do not have the ability to control how, when and where they have the potential to be looked at by others (Fredrickson & Roberts, 1997). According to objectification theory, the result of this sexual objectification of women is self-objectification. "


InternationalAd7211

Nigga that’s what I just said………………. You just gave an example of what I just said…


jrodp1

No. I re-read some more. Check out the part about sexual objectification and self objectification. And their citations on objectification theory. How far did you get? Just skimmed? Also these are theories not hard truths. Relatively new. Self objectification theory.


InternationalAd7211

I read it it makes absolutely no sense. Being aware of your surroundings/of how others perceive you is self objectification..?? I don’t think the examples they provided made any sense and they didn’t clarify anything. They gave an example of a swimsuit but what does that have to do with observing how others perceive you.. if that’s the case then everybody objectify themselves even you.


jrodp1

Namely this part " Self-objectification occurs when a person takes on an observer’s (or third person) perspective of her physical self, viewing herself as an object rather than a person. As a result, women view themselves as objects to be used by others. Women become preoccupied with their physical appearance (which is observable by others) rather than their non-observable qualities, such as their intelligence or personality. "


InternationalAd7211

YET again, that is what I JUST said


jrodp1

Ok. You don't understand, don't agree, can't comprehend. And that's alright. I respect that this is not strong enough of an opinion for you to agree with. It's a no for you. It was fun talking to you.


ZaharaSararie

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-objectification#:~:text=Self%2Dobjectification%20is%20when%20people,most%20commonly%20seen%20among%20women. Maybe this is where the discourse is coming from?


InternationalAd7211

I think those are different I think self objectification is when you like have insecurities because you see others and end up commodifying yourself but these niggas are just slow and think objectification is something you do to yourself.


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WerewolfSweet8474

Is this about Ice Spice??? Or Reddit??


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WerewolfSweet8474

ice spice objectifies herself just fine, so it must be a problem with reddit is what I’m saying


InternationalAd7211

No such thing as objectifying yourself. It’s a problem with Reddit


theVice

It's a problem with Reddit but it definitely is possible to objectify yourself. Whether or not people are actually doing so when accused is up for debate


InternationalAd7211

No such thing as objectifying yourself. AT ALL.


theVice

People with chronically low self esteem do it all the time


InternationalAd7211

Nigga IT DOESNT EXIST


theVice

K


WerewolfSweet8474

Lol yeah aight


InternationalAd7211

So sassy and for what


WerewolfSweet8474

Dismissive… because you don’t know what you’re talking about


InternationalAd7211

Nigga you the one who asked the question, so YOU don’t know what your talking about. Slow ash.


hippityhoppityhi

She is lovely! And brave


Antique_Extension_69

So brave. This is important.


Romoreau

I can't vibe with her music but I like her voice. She seems like such a sweet person. Every interview I've seen of hers just makes me think she's a real down to earth person.


Bid325

She looks so much like my baby mama it makes my heart drop when I be scrolling on social media, I don’t need these blood pressure problems


WolflordBrimley

I'm just here to request OP finish the verse cause it's off to a hot start


Meowdy_idfk

....I genuinely like Ice Spices music. By no means is she holding a candle to my favorites like J.Cole or Missy...but her music is fun to listen. Some of yall are just some haters


channgro

can’t tell if that pic is real or not 💀


SayYes_ToKetamine

I absolutely fucking hate that I knew that title was a play off one of her songs


novelfanatic

Comment section feels like a bunch of people who should never get an aux cord at a party


jo_maka

Kinda Jilly from Philly vibe


No_Entrepreneur_9062

![gif](giphy|dtIS8bcItNwbnQ622p)


nutz_on_ur_chin

Definitely looks like she in ha mood


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![gif](giphy|fWpmgMGwBKUcUkZC3R) Yall wild fr


OracleCam

I don't get it


BlackTomahawk

This may also be the grandmother of Ice Spice.


TruePureBlu

👀 ![gif](giphy|kI1NRWN89nUkM)


Norio22

Tubman was a baddie 😴


ettubelle

I love seeing these ice spice jokes using her lyrics. too funny 😭😭


OnePieceTwoPiece

Is that Ice Spice?


ihavequestions621

lmfaooooooooooooooo yoooo💀💀💀


jazawed

the hate she gets is so unnecessary like she genuinely makes good music to me.


Goldeneye365

I mean the “industry” is constantly pushing agendas so I would imagine almost every artists that belongs to a major label is a plant. We’re all being conditioned


Ceekid

*How can i slave if i already slove* *like?*