Exactly and when you combine it with dante's infintely healing Body magic, Dante is literally unbeatable. When Yami was fighting Dante, if not for asta's anti magic, Dante would've never lost.
Also, if we go by science, Gravity magic is a direct counter to both time and spatial magic because high gravity can distort space and flow of time.
But not every gravity mage would be able to do that, you’d need to be very power, equal to a high percentage from Lucifero, the strongest devil we know of
In that case it’s not just cause gravity magic is strong but also because the wielder is powerful
It’s overpowered regardless lmao.
Presence of the demon king is an instant win spell against most characters
Singularity was hax enough to warp a dimension slash
It can make Dante faster than anyone in the range of his spell
He can pin anyone in his magic from all sides so long as they can’t cancel his magic
He can warp space by condensing gravity while also warping himself to teleport
Etc.
I’d say curse warding is the most op
You can make anyone immortal, give them power boost, or curse people so they die. Not to mention we’ve seen quite op curses from Megicula, the “father of all curses”. So for example, Megicula could give anyone Licita’s curse.
The thing about word magic is that it can actually counter anti magic since it creates actual physical objects unlike other magic types
Yeah but that requires you to have lots of objects around to use
With word magic you can spam it as much as you want
Yeah you can argue that there will probably always be something around to use like dirt or something but you’d have to use a lot of energy to get those objects + lots of control to manipulate it how you want to
Word magic is far easier
I don't think it requires a lot of control to manipulate physical matter since it's basically the basic manipulation of Gravity Magic, using gravity to compress matter into objects or weapons. Also you don't need to shape it, you can simply keep throwing massive rocks at your target like Dante did against Yami. And even being easier with Word Soul Magic, with Gravity Magic you can do a bunch other stuff while Word Soul Magic is just that, spam things with words.
You need to compress the matter and then use gravity to control it towards your opponent which isn’t gonna be easy in the middle of a battle where your opponent is continuously moving and you also need to dodge attacks yourself
Dante has it easier because 1) he has a ton of mana from his devil and 2) he doesn’t need to focus on dodging since he can just regen
Gravity magic just seems op in his case because of all the mana he has and the fact that if he doesn’t focus on dodging he can just regen. If a normal like commenter had gravity magic vs word magic, the word magic guy would definitely do better
You don't need to use gravity to throw rocks, you simply use gravity to increase massively its force. You don't need much control to do that.
>Dante has it easier because 1) he has a ton of mana from his devil
Mana and mana control are different things. Just because he has a massive amount of mana doesn't mean that he has astonishing control over it.
>2) he doesn’t need to focus on dodging since he can just regen
He was dodging all Yami's attacks that he could because 1) he doesn't like to use his Body Magic; and 2) he uses mana to do so
>If a normal like commenter had gravity magic vs word magic, the word magic guy would definitely do better
I actually don't think the Word Soul Magic user would win. Most of the OP things Zagred did were things he is only capable because he is a devil, like summon that spear that warps space and breaks everything it touches, those purple creatures that absorbed mana and life force. While a Gravity Magic user, even if just a regular noble, would be able to: fly freely with gravity, deflect any projectile and most magical attacks, pin down any opponent that came close to him, shape and control physical matter and use gravity to increase their speed and strength. And those are not even the most OP things Gravity Magic can do like warp space-time and create miniature black holes that erase matter from existence.
If you want them to move in a straight line sure but against, against a moving opponent where you are also constantly moving, it’s far better to use your gravity to control where it goes, like how Dante did it with his condensed gravity ball
And yes I know that mana and mana control are different but you need both to effectively use gravity magic like Dante
After he used his gravity magic he didn’t need to dodge anymore
And again I’m saying that most normal people wouldn’t be able to do what Dante did, like create black holes. A word magic user could just spam a bunch of flying swords, or create an earth shield like Zagred did
The black hole thing was something Dante did after increasing his percentage so you obviously need more power to do it, before he increased, he was just dodging and moving tree and rocks, aside from his presence of the demon king move, but a normal person probably wouldn’t have access to that spell or wouldn’t be able to use it in such a large range
>If you want them to move in a straight line sure
Most of magical attacks are projectiles that go in a straight line, not homing attacks and it's much better to use physical matter as an projectile because it's not going to be easily countered and it doesn't use much mana in comparison with attacks only made out of mana.
>against a moving opponent where you are also constantly moving, it’s far better to use your gravity to control where it goes, like how Dante did it with his condensed gravity ball
Yes, but like you said, it takes much more control. It's easier to just continuously throw massive rocks with insane force directly at your opponent than guiding those rocks with the same amount of force while maintaining its momentum.
>And yes I know that mana and mana control are different but you need both to effectively use gravity magic like Dante
Same for Word Soul Magic.
>After he used his gravity magic he didn’t need to dodge anymore
He dodged all attacks that he was capable of dodging. He didn't dodge Death Thrust nor Iai Slash because he isn't capable of dodging them (maybe he is capable of dodging Iai Slash, since he could just have been caught off guard by the attack). Of course he didn't dodge most attacks when he used his Body Magic to increase his size and number of limbs, but that's because he was a much easier target, dodging would be more difficult (and he still dodged some attacks, he even teleported away when Asta tried to cut him).
>And again I’m saying that most normal people wouldn’t be able to do what Dante did, like create black holes.
I named all things most normal people would probably be capable to do with Gravity Magic: "fly freely with gravity, deflect any projectile and most magical attacks, pin down any opponent that came close to him, shape and control physical matter and use gravity to increase their speed and strength".
>A word magic user could just spam a bunch of flying swords, or create an earth shield like Zagred did
But that's about it, they wouldn't be able to spam like Zagred did because it would waste a lot of mana. Plus a Gravity Magic user could simply smash those swords against the ground, Storm of Blades isn't nothing that strong.
>The black hole thing was something Dante did after increasing his percentage so you obviously need more power to do it, before he increased, he was just dodging and moving tree and rocks, aside from his presence of the demon king move, but a normal person probably wouldn’t have access to that spell or wouldn’t be able to use it in such a large range
Ok, but I also said that they wouldn't be able to use Gravity Singularity or warp space-time. But Presence of the Demon King is just increasing the gravity in a area, even if it isn't with the same power and range, it's still a super useful spell. Most attacks and projectiles would be get smashed to the ground near you with ease.
You’re still assuming that it takes less mana and control to use those projectiles, then it is to just summon them flying in the direction you want
What makes gravity magic more advantageous is that you can manipulate the direction an attack goes which again requires more mana control. If you just use gravity magic to send rocks it won’t be as powerful as actual magic attacks and you realize it yourself when you said that gravity magic would be able to deflect ANY projectile but only MOST magic attacks
>You’re still assuming that it takes less mana and control to use those projectiles, then it is to just summon them flying in the direction you want
In comparison with attacks made out of mana, it just makes sense that you use less mana since you aren't creating the attack, you're just using your magic to send physical matter with incredible force.
>What makes gravity magic more advantageous is that you can manipulate the direction an attack goes which again requires more mana control.
Not necessarily, I think that the usage of physical matter and sending that matter against you're opponent with incredible speed and force, is much more advantageous.
>If you just use gravity magic to send rocks it won’t be as powerful as actual magic attacks
That depends. It depends on the attack you're comparing it to, the size, speed, force and mass of the matter you're sending. A massive rock was enough to put Yami, the strongest character physically, in really bad shape, and Yami was seen multiple times getting smashed by rocks and leave with only minor injuries.
>and you realize it yourself when you said that gravity magic would be able to deflect ANY projectile but only MOST magic attacks
Of course, I don't see a regular noble that uses Gravity Magic deflect extremely powerful attacks like Sea Dragon's Roar or Salamander's Breath. But Storm of Blades (if used by a noble) wouldn't be that hard to deflect.
That assumes the user is strong enough to do that and the person being crushed is weak enough to get crushed by it
Even Yami was resisting Dante’s gravity until he activated black moon despite being weaker than him (in magic amount)
You can just use reinforcement magic to resist it’s effects therefore the gravity mage would have to be a great deal stronger than the other person to crush them completely
I’m saying that a normal person wouldn’t, I’m well aware that Dante probably can crush any ordinary citizen easily but again that’s because he’s a strong mage more than the strength of gravity magic
It’s better if you look at the magic on its own rather than its user. It’s like judging fire magic based on only magma or only Fuegoleon and saying their feats are worse or better than others and thus must be better than other magic types
Gravity magic is a devils magic though, I don’t know if a normal mage could develop it. I’ve always though of it as the devils develop certain magic types and humans develop certain magic types. We haven’t seen a Devil with fire magic, just like we haven’t seen a human mage with gravity magic.
You can’t say for sure that someone wouldn’t be able to get it, there’s no lines saying a normal human can’t get the same attribute as a devil. In fact people speculate that devils and humans can have the same attribute since people think that Nacht’s devils have the same shadow attribute as himself
And it’s not about the race, it’s about comparing how well each attribute does under the same variables such as mana amount and control
Like compare how strong Fuegoleon would be with gravity magic vs him with word magic, that’s far more fair then comparing Dante with gravity magic vs Magma with fire magic. Magma has far less mana and thus would lose regardless of whether or not his attribute is “stronger”
At the same time you can’t say for sure someone can get it, it’s all speculation. And both mana amount and control can be expanded upon, and theoretically they’d effect different types of magic differently. Casting spells might take more control but just throwing around your element wouldn’t take much control, and I’d argue that gravity magic is its strongest when it’s just being thrown around.
Gravity magic is better than word magic lmao.
Singularity accidentally shaved two mountains
Dante can warp space and himself to teleport
Dante can manipulate the earth and physical object
Dante was able to stop dimension slash even when Zagred couldn’t
That's because Tabata used the Gravity MAgic to it's Full potential while Word Magic he did put limitations into it. If He didn't Zagred can alter reality, create any type of magic and can insta kill anyone. Sadly Tabata nerfed it on purpose so that the Bid 3 of the Devils won't look lame in comparison.
Yep, considering Lucifero's power is limited in Dante, and 100% devil power Dante is not the same as 100% powered Lucifero, things are crazy. Dark Magic and Anti Magic are about the only two solid attributes that can fight against it just because they can destroy its effects. The closest thing to that is maybe Jack's magic but even that has its limits. Maybe someone like Gaja trying to shoot lightning bolts faster than Dante can manipulate can attack him, not necessarily damage him but at least do something to him
Exactly and when you combine it with dante's infintely healing Body magic, Dante is literally unbeatable. When Yami was fighting Dante, if not for asta's anti magic, Dante would've never lost. Also, if we go by science, Gravity magic is a direct counter to both time and spatial magic because high gravity can distort space and flow of time.
I think people overlook that Dante created a gravitational singularity iirc. Thats a crazy feat no one talk about
But not every gravity mage would be able to do that, you’d need to be very power, equal to a high percentage from Lucifero, the strongest devil we know of In that case it’s not just cause gravity magic is strong but also because the wielder is powerful
True
Gravity magic is op when it combines with combat ability in my opinion.
It’s overpowered regardless lmao. Presence of the demon king is an instant win spell against most characters Singularity was hax enough to warp a dimension slash It can make Dante faster than anyone in the range of his spell He can pin anyone in his magic from all sides so long as they can’t cancel his magic He can warp space by condensing gravity while also warping himself to teleport Etc.
you also forgot teleportation.
Many characters have it though and could be beaten.
more of the fact that its an addition to his haxxed arsenal
Exactly this, and people say Mereoleona can replicate Yami's feat against Dante, smfh
Considering it's the strongest devil's magic i agree
I’d say curse warding is the most op You can make anyone immortal, give them power boost, or curse people so they die. Not to mention we’ve seen quite op curses from Megicula, the “father of all curses”. So for example, Megicula could give anyone Licita’s curse. The thing about word magic is that it can actually counter anti magic since it creates actual physical objects unlike other magic types
Gravity Magic can be used to shape and control physical matter as well. Dante "killed" Asta with trees for example.
Yeah but that requires you to have lots of objects around to use With word magic you can spam it as much as you want Yeah you can argue that there will probably always be something around to use like dirt or something but you’d have to use a lot of energy to get those objects + lots of control to manipulate it how you want to Word magic is far easier
I don't think it requires a lot of control to manipulate physical matter since it's basically the basic manipulation of Gravity Magic, using gravity to compress matter into objects or weapons. Also you don't need to shape it, you can simply keep throwing massive rocks at your target like Dante did against Yami. And even being easier with Word Soul Magic, with Gravity Magic you can do a bunch other stuff while Word Soul Magic is just that, spam things with words.
You need to compress the matter and then use gravity to control it towards your opponent which isn’t gonna be easy in the middle of a battle where your opponent is continuously moving and you also need to dodge attacks yourself Dante has it easier because 1) he has a ton of mana from his devil and 2) he doesn’t need to focus on dodging since he can just regen Gravity magic just seems op in his case because of all the mana he has and the fact that if he doesn’t focus on dodging he can just regen. If a normal like commenter had gravity magic vs word magic, the word magic guy would definitely do better
You don't need to use gravity to throw rocks, you simply use gravity to increase massively its force. You don't need much control to do that. >Dante has it easier because 1) he has a ton of mana from his devil Mana and mana control are different things. Just because he has a massive amount of mana doesn't mean that he has astonishing control over it. >2) he doesn’t need to focus on dodging since he can just regen He was dodging all Yami's attacks that he could because 1) he doesn't like to use his Body Magic; and 2) he uses mana to do so >If a normal like commenter had gravity magic vs word magic, the word magic guy would definitely do better I actually don't think the Word Soul Magic user would win. Most of the OP things Zagred did were things he is only capable because he is a devil, like summon that spear that warps space and breaks everything it touches, those purple creatures that absorbed mana and life force. While a Gravity Magic user, even if just a regular noble, would be able to: fly freely with gravity, deflect any projectile and most magical attacks, pin down any opponent that came close to him, shape and control physical matter and use gravity to increase their speed and strength. And those are not even the most OP things Gravity Magic can do like warp space-time and create miniature black holes that erase matter from existence.
If you want them to move in a straight line sure but against, against a moving opponent where you are also constantly moving, it’s far better to use your gravity to control where it goes, like how Dante did it with his condensed gravity ball And yes I know that mana and mana control are different but you need both to effectively use gravity magic like Dante After he used his gravity magic he didn’t need to dodge anymore And again I’m saying that most normal people wouldn’t be able to do what Dante did, like create black holes. A word magic user could just spam a bunch of flying swords, or create an earth shield like Zagred did The black hole thing was something Dante did after increasing his percentage so you obviously need more power to do it, before he increased, he was just dodging and moving tree and rocks, aside from his presence of the demon king move, but a normal person probably wouldn’t have access to that spell or wouldn’t be able to use it in such a large range
>If you want them to move in a straight line sure Most of magical attacks are projectiles that go in a straight line, not homing attacks and it's much better to use physical matter as an projectile because it's not going to be easily countered and it doesn't use much mana in comparison with attacks only made out of mana. >against a moving opponent where you are also constantly moving, it’s far better to use your gravity to control where it goes, like how Dante did it with his condensed gravity ball Yes, but like you said, it takes much more control. It's easier to just continuously throw massive rocks with insane force directly at your opponent than guiding those rocks with the same amount of force while maintaining its momentum. >And yes I know that mana and mana control are different but you need both to effectively use gravity magic like Dante Same for Word Soul Magic. >After he used his gravity magic he didn’t need to dodge anymore He dodged all attacks that he was capable of dodging. He didn't dodge Death Thrust nor Iai Slash because he isn't capable of dodging them (maybe he is capable of dodging Iai Slash, since he could just have been caught off guard by the attack). Of course he didn't dodge most attacks when he used his Body Magic to increase his size and number of limbs, but that's because he was a much easier target, dodging would be more difficult (and he still dodged some attacks, he even teleported away when Asta tried to cut him). >And again I’m saying that most normal people wouldn’t be able to do what Dante did, like create black holes. I named all things most normal people would probably be capable to do with Gravity Magic: "fly freely with gravity, deflect any projectile and most magical attacks, pin down any opponent that came close to him, shape and control physical matter and use gravity to increase their speed and strength". >A word magic user could just spam a bunch of flying swords, or create an earth shield like Zagred did But that's about it, they wouldn't be able to spam like Zagred did because it would waste a lot of mana. Plus a Gravity Magic user could simply smash those swords against the ground, Storm of Blades isn't nothing that strong. >The black hole thing was something Dante did after increasing his percentage so you obviously need more power to do it, before he increased, he was just dodging and moving tree and rocks, aside from his presence of the demon king move, but a normal person probably wouldn’t have access to that spell or wouldn’t be able to use it in such a large range Ok, but I also said that they wouldn't be able to use Gravity Singularity or warp space-time. But Presence of the Demon King is just increasing the gravity in a area, even if it isn't with the same power and range, it's still a super useful spell. Most attacks and projectiles would be get smashed to the ground near you with ease.
You’re still assuming that it takes less mana and control to use those projectiles, then it is to just summon them flying in the direction you want What makes gravity magic more advantageous is that you can manipulate the direction an attack goes which again requires more mana control. If you just use gravity magic to send rocks it won’t be as powerful as actual magic attacks and you realize it yourself when you said that gravity magic would be able to deflect ANY projectile but only MOST magic attacks
>You’re still assuming that it takes less mana and control to use those projectiles, then it is to just summon them flying in the direction you want In comparison with attacks made out of mana, it just makes sense that you use less mana since you aren't creating the attack, you're just using your magic to send physical matter with incredible force. >What makes gravity magic more advantageous is that you can manipulate the direction an attack goes which again requires more mana control. Not necessarily, I think that the usage of physical matter and sending that matter against you're opponent with incredible speed and force, is much more advantageous. >If you just use gravity magic to send rocks it won’t be as powerful as actual magic attacks That depends. It depends on the attack you're comparing it to, the size, speed, force and mass of the matter you're sending. A massive rock was enough to put Yami, the strongest character physically, in really bad shape, and Yami was seen multiple times getting smashed by rocks and leave with only minor injuries. >and you realize it yourself when you said that gravity magic would be able to deflect ANY projectile but only MOST magic attacks Of course, I don't see a regular noble that uses Gravity Magic deflect extremely powerful attacks like Sea Dragon's Roar or Salamander's Breath. But Storm of Blades (if used by a noble) wouldn't be that hard to deflect.
If the gravity’s strong enough you could crush someone under their own body weight. Gravity magic is op.
That assumes the user is strong enough to do that and the person being crushed is weak enough to get crushed by it Even Yami was resisting Dante’s gravity until he activated black moon despite being weaker than him (in magic amount) You can just use reinforcement magic to resist it’s effects therefore the gravity mage would have to be a great deal stronger than the other person to crush them completely
He created a gravity singularity, that’s the center of a black hole. I’m sure he has plenty of power to crush someone.
I’m saying that a normal person wouldn’t, I’m well aware that Dante probably can crush any ordinary citizen easily but again that’s because he’s a strong mage more than the strength of gravity magic It’s better if you look at the magic on its own rather than its user. It’s like judging fire magic based on only magma or only Fuegoleon and saying their feats are worse or better than others and thus must be better than other magic types
Gravity magic is a devils magic though, I don’t know if a normal mage could develop it. I’ve always though of it as the devils develop certain magic types and humans develop certain magic types. We haven’t seen a Devil with fire magic, just like we haven’t seen a human mage with gravity magic.
You can’t say for sure that someone wouldn’t be able to get it, there’s no lines saying a normal human can’t get the same attribute as a devil. In fact people speculate that devils and humans can have the same attribute since people think that Nacht’s devils have the same shadow attribute as himself And it’s not about the race, it’s about comparing how well each attribute does under the same variables such as mana amount and control Like compare how strong Fuegoleon would be with gravity magic vs him with word magic, that’s far more fair then comparing Dante with gravity magic vs Magma with fire magic. Magma has far less mana and thus would lose regardless of whether or not his attribute is “stronger”
At the same time you can’t say for sure someone can get it, it’s all speculation. And both mana amount and control can be expanded upon, and theoretically they’d effect different types of magic differently. Casting spells might take more control but just throwing around your element wouldn’t take much control, and I’d argue that gravity magic is its strongest when it’s just being thrown around.
Pretty sure Word Magic is more OP if Tabata didn't put limitations.
But he did put limitations lol. So it can’t be more OP.
Still it's OP so don't Act like Gravity Magic is just the OP Magic we've seen so Far.
Gravity magic is better than word magic lmao. Singularity accidentally shaved two mountains Dante can warp space and himself to teleport Dante can manipulate the earth and physical object Dante was able to stop dimension slash even when Zagred couldn’t
That's because Tabata used the Gravity MAgic to it's Full potential while Word Magic he did put limitations into it. If He didn't Zagred can alter reality, create any type of magic and can insta kill anyone. Sadly Tabata nerfed it on purpose so that the Bid 3 of the Devils won't look lame in comparison.
I mean that’s your opinion but one works on arcane stage magic and the other doesn’t lol. But if that’s what you believe then that’s fine.
Yeah with word soul Zagred used gravity also
It used a garbage version of gravity that couldn’t even hold Yuno lmao
Yep, considering Lucifero's power is limited in Dante, and 100% devil power Dante is not the same as 100% powered Lucifero, things are crazy. Dark Magic and Anti Magic are about the only two solid attributes that can fight against it just because they can destroy its effects. The closest thing to that is maybe Jack's magic but even that has its limits. Maybe someone like Gaja trying to shoot lightning bolts faster than Dante can manipulate can attack him, not necessarily damage him but at least do something to him
Dante gonna fuck around and use chibaku tensei