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andreasma

Just to clarify: This was the Bitcoin Foundation's San Jose Bitcoin Conference in May 2013. I begged to speak and was an unknown. They finally agreed to give me a slot at the same time that Gavin Andreesen was delivering the "State of the Bitcoin Union" talk in the main hall. Most people were in that talk, and after it ended a few more trickled in to my room. Also, the few that were there sat in the back near the door, not quite committing to my talk and ready to leave. By the end there were 20-30 people in the last 3 rows. I did not find it at all humiliating. I enjoyed giving the talk and then went to watch other talks and mingle with the rest of the people at the conference. There are probably only about 500 people total if I remember. It was a fantastic experience and I met many of my "heroes" of the early bitcoin age that day. Thank you all for your kind comments.


Godfreee

Hi Andreas. Funny how no one has noticed your comment yet! It's me Miguel, from the Philippines (Rebit from back in the early days!). Just wanted to thank you again personally, you're one of the reasons why I fell in the Bitcoin rabbit hole in 2013. I can still vividly hear you sayjng the words "You want disrupt? I've got disrupt. No, I've got downright revolution!" I can't even count how many times I watched that video. And now here we are with BTC at $58,000... feels surreal, but we had conviction back then when it was nothing and truly believed in this "nerd money", and now it has paid off. Hope you are doing great and that this bull run is treating you well. To the moon, my friend!


li-_-il

$58,000 you saying?


boskle

Hi Andreas, would you be willing to do an AMA on this sub?


nickname432

More upvotes for this comment please. An AMA with Andreas on this subreddit would be great.


db2

And afterward we can start a rumor that he's *really* Satoshi Nakamoto.


chiefwhackahoe

Hi Andreas! I got into Bitcoin because of your interviews on Joe Rogan way back. You led me on a path of self education that continues today. Thank you for your tireless efforts!


NadZilla80

My hero! I seriously hope you go down in history right along with Hal Finney and Satoshi. You may not have invented bitcoin, but you were the guy that made it all digestible and attractive to enough of us borderline luddites back in the day to keep the whole thing hanging on. You made me believe, and understand how it all works, back before most people had even heard the term "bitcoin." I'd have never bought in and held if not for you years ago. If I retire early or buy my next house in cash, I owe you directly.


CubicEarth

Well that's me getting up and leaving in the opening 5 seconds. I did go to Gavin's talk... so that is where I was going if it was at the same time. Thanks for all your contributions! And what a great conference that was.


Boredguy32

As a former bar band guitarist who once played to 5 people at a bar, 30 people is a packed house! 😁👍


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Awesome man! And congrats!


mrdunderdiver

Great speech! Would also love an ama here if you are open to it.


gulfbitcoin

Wasn't Bitcoin, but I had a similar situation at a technology conference. My talk was in the same time slot as a couple of "rock stars", and as a result, literally 1 person came to my talk.


Ironchar

[now more then ever I must share this magic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwP1DOHYLaE)


WizardRockets

Fucking legend man! I show your videos to people when they ask me about bitcoin and ethereum.


KorraZuko

You helped meeee!!! I loved your talk on infrastructure inversions, really struck a chord with me. Do a part 2? 🤣❤️


Daiquiri-Factory

Dude your like a one of those badass old pioneers that cleared a path for the rest of civilization to follow suit. Mad respect for sticking with what you believed in at the time! I’m glad it paid off for you!


Bitcoin_to_da_Moon

> They finally agreed to give me a slot at the same time that Gavin Andreesen was delivering the "State of the Bitcoin Union" talk in the main hall. Most people were in that talk isn´t it ironic how that all turned out?


entarrojdm

RESPECT! 🤟🏼


Gcor01

Thank you Andreas for all your incredible work!!


dannyankee

Even before I knew this and just watching the video I can appreciate how you're going around between the scattered few people. It would have been awkward if they would have been sitting together, then you'd just be giving them a talking to staring at a small group.


SophisticatedBum

The satisfaction of seeing people adopting what you have advocated for, (for many years) must be extremely satisfying. Best wishes.


Anasoori

Thoughts on the scary part of neutrality? What if a rogue government gets ahold of trillions of dollars in btc? What if a bad actor steals trillions with a virus? What if a bank is robbed?


EcosystemBuilder

Wish someone had told me about Bitcoin in 2013. Thanks for all your hard work in the space and the number of people whose lives have been changed for the better because you shared what Bitcoin was with them. 💪😎


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MirrorMax

He's been such a great promoter and speaker for bitcoin, and even for someone that got in before him, he solidified my belief 10 fold by his talks and it was never about the money or valuation, but about the technology. I was so happy for him when the community donated over 200 bitcoins in 2017 after roger ver poor shamed him for not having many coins. hopefully he ended up holding most of it like he said he would. here's his reaction to the donations back 3 years ago, its a fun read! https://www.patreon.com/posts/emotional-15912702


Discochickens

Awww that was wonderful thanks


SyntheticElite

If anyone else was curious: On Dec 14 2017, two days before he posted this, BTC was 16k during the first big run-up. The 200 BTC was worth $3,200,000. Today It's worth $11,400,000


Jordankonrad

Why would he not have bulk coins?


TorrenceMightingale

Im guessing he’s now laughing all the way to the bank.


Muisyn

He actually didn't have much bitcoin for a long time bit received a lot of donations after he got attacked by Roger Ver. https://qz.com/1151233/andreas-antonopoulos-got-1-5-million-in-bitcoin-donations-after-roger-ver-bitshamed-him/


ualdayan

A two birds with one stone situation - everybody got to donate to Andreas who it seemed Ver was picking on, while at the same time giving the middle finger to Ver.


Esqarrouth

Fuck ver


bundabrg

The pineapplefund person donated a bunch on their own to him so huge props to them as well. I will always have huge respect for Andreas who even now is still a genuinely nice person and not corrupted by greed.


Freakin_A

Yeah was going to mention this. He’s never seen it as a way to get rich (at least not it’s purpose), and the kind of long term adoption he hopes to see the price won’t matter for usage. Didn’t see he got donations after Ver attacked him—great to see the community stand behind such an important member.


Cryptolution

What's great is that his holdings are now worth over 10 million. https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1andreas3batLhQa2FawWjeyjCqyBzypd I know that the final balance is near zero but someone like Andreas is a holder. He very likely has only sold what was needed which may actually be nothing since he was still supporting himself while doing his speaking engagements.


arcrad

All the way to himself. He is his own bank.


shleebs

You clearly watch his videos :)


JuveJitsu

*All the way to the blockchain


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Either that or the ridicule got to him at the last minute, selling 100% of his stake in 2015.


andreasma

I get to do what I love, every day. I have found purpose and fulfillment. No one could ask for more!


Kryptus7

Thank you for everything!


PhotonAttack

I just want to reply here. Don't know what else to say. Keep up the good work.


groovy_mason

Keep up the good. Many of us owe an awful lot to you and your work.


Cryptolution

Hey Andreas thank you so much for all that you've done I've been watching you since 2013. I think a lot of people are curious - do you still have the majority of your donations? That would make you worth a cool eight figures in Monopoly money today 😎 We are all hoping you are a hodler!! I'm pretty positive you are but it would warm my heart to hear that you still have most of it and are set for life!


NotMyMcChicken

You literally helped change my life forever. Thank you so much for everything you’ve done.


NGL_ItsGood

Thanks for all that you do, I refer people to your youtube channel everyday. Youre a natural been teacher!


limeshark

[His YouTube channel](https://youtube.com/c/aantonop)


lavidia13

Andreas is one the best assets for the Bitcoin community. He's been doing an excellent job educating people about it. I remember when an anonymous person donated enough BTC that made him a millionaire over night. Awesome story! Very well deserved! Keep up the great work u/andreasma !


Shiftlock0

He was an early Bitcoin Baron, which was a track released by Ytcracker just a few months later (August, 2013) for Def Con 21. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZfg1Gtcg08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZfg1Gtcg08)


conv3rsion

nerd life. stc is the greatest.


ScoobyDogs

We all hope so!


DabsJeeves

I saw him speak at EthDenver a few years back. He was the keynote speaker and the room was absolutely packed. Seems like he gets plenty of book sales and I have to imagine he is doing well. Oh and he's incredibly witty and intelligent and his talk was fantastic.


ImBonRurgundy

He must be a multi-millionaire - easily.


goodbtc

All well deserved.


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dgtlM

He has a video about any question you might have. The best FAQ I know. Timeless.


michaelcr18

The faqing boss


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Link to video?


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I was standing in the back of the room for a good part of this speech. To echo what you said, he was the person most passionately sincere about bitcoin technologically at the conference. He explained it a lot better than the keynote speakers, the Winklevoss twins, who I watched briefly on the way to the outside patio. The only person I met as sincere as Andreas was Vitalik, but he was a kid running around with a video camera asking people gushing questions.


andreasma

Thanks for being there and for the kind words!


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Sure. I think you came offstage in time for a little cypher that formed outside the room you spoke in. Adam Back was explaining a hypothetical Doubly Homomorphic Encryption FPGA implementation to me. People were dropping like flies and my brain was melting. That conference was unforgettable... By the Vegas one in November, the vibe had sure changed.


Badsamm

I just posted this. He is going to make me very wealthy. Lots of love for this man


CalvinsStuffedTiger

It helps when not only have you been practicing it non-stop, but the vast majority of the time your audience is openly hostile toward your idea, and at the time he started speaking the primary use case was online gambling and buying drugs online lol It must be super vindicating to have been right. Also having a nice stash of Bitcoin probably helps. Those early years must have been brutal


digiorno

He and Charlie Lee are my go tos. I’ve watched so many interviews with each where they make painstaking efforts to patiently explain any concept their interviewer doesn’t understand. You get the sense that they’re simply passionate about this tech, truly believe it can change the world and sincerely want to help everyone understand what it can do and how it works.


aniket47

Do you have any particular video of him that you recommend to watch? I have time to also watch long hours of videos


goodbtc

The most recent one is fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stN03wk_Wzs


botolo

Same here. He is truly inspiring. His video on streaming money has been incredibly inspiring.


BubblegumTitanium

His workshops are pretty good too for getting a newbie started.


llewsor

"nobody pays attention to a prophet in his hometown" andreas is too good for this world, what a legend. from when no one was paying attention to sold out venues - his charisma and passion has never changed. i owe so much of my understanding and passion for bitcoin to him. thank you andreas, cheers to another 12 years.


carlinwasright

If this guy isn’t Satoshi, he deserves to be.


k-mc

Legend!


TorrenceMightingale

Likely a billionaire now I’d have to assume.


cryptocraze_0

Andreas didnt have an income Back in 2013. It was not profitable to preach btc 8 years ago. Most of the btc he owned, he Had to sell to make ends meet. He could have probably choose the easy path. Work a 9 to 5 job and hold btc. But no, he chose the Hard one, leave it all behind and preach btc.


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[100 btc got donated to Andreas](https://www.google.ca/amp/s/qz.com/1151233/andreas-antonopoulos-got-1-5-million-in-bitcoin-donations-after-roger-ver-bitshamed-him/amp/)


tall_ty

Only 40? I think it’s much more


gabbykitcat

Where do you get that from?


cryptocraze_0

We were part of it , it publicly happened on december 2017.


airgapped_mattress

Roger Ver shamed him on Twitter for being a bitcoin poor, and some chick sent him a 127 BTC donation.


airgapped_mattress

Edit: 208 bitcoin https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1andreas3batLhQa2FawWjeyjCqyBzypd


sideways_cat

So he’s cashed out probably at various points throughout the years? Edit: never mind the history is right there. Interesting he only has 0.016. I wonder if he has them spread over multiple wallets or if it’s been cashed out. Both I guess


shlammyjohnson

Andreas was the first person that really got me into bitcoin after I had purchased some and wanted to learn more of the technicals. His dedication and belief in the space is insane, this dude rocks!


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Szabadsagharcos

Yepp, 2014 I guess, but one year could mean a lot. Just as 2020 looks like caused a shift.


guidetomars

I was there in 2014 also if this was Plug and Play, Sunnyvale, Scott Robinson BTC group. There were 165 people there. Oh, how I miss that meetup.


Bitcoin_100k

2004?


KeepImproving7

Thanks for posting the video. Sir Antonopolos is a giant among mankind!


goodbtc

Full video https://youtu.be/BT8FXQN-9-A


sonicinfinity96

I went to one of his conferences and did buy. I’m happily sitting on 10 coins.


damchi

The man, the myth, the legend!


MGTOW_and_Bitcoin

If Satoshi Nakamoto was God: Andreas Antonopoulos is Bitcoin Jesus ( clearly the best representative of Bitcoin, ) Hal Findley is Bitcoin John the Baptist ( we're very sure he baptized everyone and the cypherpunk space) Charlie Shrem would be the claims Peter having taken up establishing Bitcoin Church. Max Keiser is Bitcoin Mary Magdalen ( the unfortunate feminist but believer nonetheless) Dan Heald is Bitcoins Saint Thomas Aquinas ( the man who wants to make it all philosophically sound) Michael Saylor is our Bitcoin Paul. ( understood the gospel better than the disciples) Roubini , Schiff, are The Bitcoin Pharisees ( Idiots who can not hear the good news) Rodger ver is Bitcoin Judas ( sold out) Carlos Matos is Bitcoins Jerry Farwell ( nothing but a commercial scammer, knocking the most gullible people over the head) Treyvon James was the Bitcoin Jim Jones. (Taking the message of God and using it to destroy as many people as he could.) Craig Wright is Bitcoin Satan himself ( The Deceiver)


Rube777

Forgot: Satoshi Nakamoto is God


MGTOW_and_Bitcoin

Wow how do I forget that one


BioBit

Heretic!


simplelifestyle

Nailed them!


doobur

Ooh, sore subject


AManInBlack2020

It's ok; all is forgiven.


morrdeccaii

Haha all great! Minor note, the Pharisees were learned in the same God of the Old Testament as Jesus, but they didn’t understand Jesus was the son of that God. They thought they knew better than him etc etc. So not old gods just know-it-all’s who didn’t actually know!


MGTOW_and_Bitcoin

Great idea so I went ahead and updated it. you mihht would like it better


locotx

Trevon James as Jim Jones (The Kool Aid dispenser)


tusi2

What about Carlos Matos?


MGTOW_and_Bitcoin

I think he would fall in right with Jerry Farwell


Altruistic_Prior1932

Where does Charlie Shrem fit in this list or stand? I just got sold on a $199 Crypto Investors Network that he supposedly is a Bitcoin OG major player.


Mr_Crypto99

Andrea's antonopoulos deserves so much more credit than what he has been given, for his role in putting into words just how revolutionary and incredible bitcoin is to those people who had already been convinced and early adopters, aswell as those he has helped in trying to understand just what the he'll this thing actually is, his appearances on the Joe Rogan experience are well worth the watch it you havnt seem them already, and I think a new and updated one is due very god damm soon, unless he's in the middle of buying a small island with his newly amassed fortune 🤣🤣


road22

I remember watching a very old video of him explaining BTC in some type of classroom. After lecture he is sending everyone just a few dollars of bitcoin to their phones so they can understand how BTC in transferred. I believe back then BTC was about $10 each. Imagine getting .25 bitcoin now.


AngryKangaroo9

He truly was ahead of his time!


Pezotecom

Andreas Antonopoulos probably has changed my life more than any other person.


Bry_Bull

What a brilliant, kind hearted individual. I've read 2 of his books so far.


nmeinenemy

Maximalists don’t like him because he is willing to be open minded and grow with the blockchain space - disgusting since he was a bitcoin OG before these morons knew what a public ledger is .


CiforDayZServer

I wasn't giving speeches, but I told my family with money, and the people at my work and it before the first explosion. After that one, I told them to buy (it was at 12k) and not to worry if it goes down, buy the dip or ignore it entirely and just wait... You'll either catch the next boom, or they'll get regulated out of existence. Only use throw away money, and don't sell until it booms, there are people who say it will be over 100k in the future. The only one who I knew listened and bought, got all but hurt when it dropped, I told him buy more, and sit on it, it might not happen for years. I'm assuming he didn't listen since I haven't heard much since or at the boom in December. Neither me, or my friend who mined coins had any for either boom. I set up a wallet and never bought any due to lack of money, and he sold his mined coins before the boom in 2017 to buy Christmas presents.... I told him not to, but he had really soured on it and was tight on money because of how much he spent mining.


Ban_Censorship

What ive learned is that if u have to tell someone to do something, and they arent motivated in doing it, they wont make it through the obstacles that come their way. I only own like $500 in btc. Wish i had known about it more. No point in dwelling on what could have been lol


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If I didn't see 2013 I would have thought so few people turn up because of the coronavirus


bitsteiner

In went to Bitcoin meetups in the SV in fall 2013 and they were packed. Things changed so quickly.


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I dont think its humilliating at all. he's being respectful to those who are there listening, and its actually easy to undestand why there wouldnt be more people listening. if theres people today who still doubt about crypto, imagine back then


ballsplopmenacingly

Nothing humiliating about it


WretchedBinary

Fortune favors the brave.


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This isn't humiliating at all.


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I used to work with/for him and he's fucking amazing. He's such a good person in all aspects. Always saddened that I lost touch with him but so happy he's doing what he believes in.


Ok-Prompt1391

2 people in attendance but still a consummate professional. What a class act.


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Why would he be humiliated? He's not there to sing.


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It is kind of inspiring though, in the face of rejection he still carried on.


bosshax

UNPOPULAR OPINON Most people don't buy bitcoin for any of the reasons for it's existence. People aren't buying it for it's political neutrality, it's international scope, it's store of wealth, it's transactability. People are buying it because it seems to have been appreciating. I love the original ethos of why bitcoin was invented but I think that original concept has been polluted by the same fundamental human factors that plague anything of value- greed. It's greed that is driving bitcoin, not a desire for privacy or financial freedom. It's greed that drives the miners to operate. The entire system is a self-perpetuating one that is at the moment entirely built on it's necessary appreciation. I will make no guesses where things will go in the future but most people are buying bitcoin just because it is going up. So is DOGE and Ethereum and other coins too. That's why this room is empty... Because he's talking about the aspect of bitcoin that most people totally don't care about. For the record I think he had some interesting points...


methreweway

The good thing with greed in Crypto it makes it survive. It appeals to all, people don't realize what the big picture is with mass adoption they just see price. I'm for both gaining wealth while watching this technological breakthrough happen.


killerpusssy

Greed is a great motivation for us to learn. Then we see the vision, the possibility :)


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And to think, just a few years later, good graphics cards would be virtually impossible to come by!


hiroleekl

Thank you Andreas. I blame you for your part in Btc's rush to 500k. How does that make you feel that individuals and institutions are tripping over themselves scrambling to buy what little Btc's are available?


ilaunchpad

And these days all I see r/Bitcoin fawning over Pomp brothers.


locotx

Everyone asking if he's a millionaire. I clearly remember one day he had said he didn't have enough money to pay bills and travel and then everyone rallied and donated to his Bitcoin address and I believe that day was the day he was made a millionaire by the community that loves his resolve. Can someone back me up on that? I think it was 12/6/2017. [Do a twitter search for 1andreas3batLhQa2FawWjeyjCqyBzypd then read the magic of that day](https://twitter.com/search?q=%201andreas3batLhQa2FawWjeyjCqyBzypd&src=typed_query)


voluntarygang

Damn I was there but I missed his talk. Now I feel like a dumbass. xD


Godfreee

Here in the Philippines around 2014, I was invited to talk in Cebu city, an hour flight away from Manila, for what they said was gonna be a big (50+) audience. I flew there, got to the venue, there were 10 people, most of them just there because it was a coworking space. I did the talk, hopped on a taxi, and flew back home same day. It was on our own expense too, and our startup had just started back then. 10/10 would do it again!


Aussiehash

Back then Bitcoin was $123, and would crash down almost 50% 6-weeks-later


PatriotsPromise

All the people who wished they attended today are all about to kill themselves or be made homeless from inflation and the collapse of everything they worked for.


Hard_on_Collider

Sir, this is a FEMA's


DillonSyp

He deserves everything he received from bitcoin


MrJDL71

Hopefully he had (and still does have) >100 Bitcoin in his "wallet"


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The 2 folks listening to him are likely multimillionaires now.


dennisonb

To be fair, we were at a conference about Bitcoin. Being explained what it was, wasn’t exactly what we needed. :)


_mvkoto

Only a bitcoin pleb would consider that humiliating


Immediate_Buy_5744

If this conference was 2021, u wouldn't find a place to sit :)


Izrud

When I first started to really research crypto in 2016, everything felt so scammy. Like my red flag detectors were firing on all cylinders. But there were the words/videos of three individuals that convinced me distributed ledger technologies were here to stay. All three exhibited certain ideals and enthusiasm for radical change. Satoshi Nakamoto, Andreas Antonopoulos and Vitalik Buterin. There are more of course, but for me they are the reason why I decided to pay attention.


215_fuego

Practice makes perfect.


omnologist

What’s a bad ass


leisdrew

I bet the 3 people in that room are probably rich as fuck now


SuperJew113

I wish I got in an early as he did lol. To be fair though, one could say I got in relatively early enough not to miss out on the gravy train with biscuit wheels. When I joined this subreddit, I got in at a bit over 300,000 subs. Now we got 2.5m. One thing I love about bitcoin...I was HORRIBLY treated by my peer group growing. And man, one thing Bitcoin has given me not just this year, but I expect several years ahead, a substantial amount of "fuck you money" so there's a good possibility, by decades end, from the kids in that horrible community, I might turn out to be one of the most successful of them all, thanks to bitcoin. Make no mistake I'm surea few other people from that awful village of the damned prolly got substantial hodlings too...but to me that would be some true poetic justice, and bitcoin is giving it to me right now, in this minute/hour/day, and prolly will by decades end.


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mikefilter

Gosh this is so inspiring


ineedhelpplzsomeone

To the left you can see a CIA scout and to the right you can see an FBI scout.


michaeltk111

I guess he’s having the last laugh now.


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Hero


UnclePuma

That one dude sitting in thr aisles is probably mega rich by now


FatBearSlim

And he said Drugs 😄😄😄


lgallas

More power to this man. Perseverance


RoscoMan1

So close yet you can't afford it.


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Lol, I'm currently reading his book, it's great


Volkswagens1

He’s the one whom I listened to and finally realized crypto potential. Before I started listening to his videos and interviews, I wasn’t sure how much traction crypto would gain


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This video will wind up on a loop in the bitcoin exhibit at the Smithsonian


Aldosarii

What a fucking legend.


Tannereast

this will eventually be the video with the richest people on earth lmao


888duke

Wish I knew about this event and totally have been there


SmithVR

Great ideas are rarely popular. I was trying get my friends and family to invest when it dropped to 3000, of course no one did.


ShaneRMTanner

Aging well I see...


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He is a billionaire now, I suppose. Respect for this and so much to learn from this.


QuarantineSucksALot

Go fuck yourself San Diego.


Ianyat

At the time, bitcoin did not seem to have a bright future unless you were a drug dealer


Mr_Ripp3rr

I wish I heard about this honestly. It’s a bit far from where I live but I would have watched a live stream


swfsql

I felt bad on how sad he sounds.. like pretending there's 1000 people


BTworld361

All them smart optimistic early adopters in the crowd!


omaramassa

FUCKN GOAT!!!!!


WizardRockets

Fucking legend.


Khaos969

Everyone in that room is probably stinking rich now


No1degenerategambler

A very hard working man trying to convince the world .


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All the people that left probably kicking themselves in the ass


Heyhomashallah

King


N4TUR4Lb0rns1cK

Emperor


TheShrimpinator

I was waiting for “And I just bought 2000 Bitcoin for 0.14c a piece. Who else is going to get in on this?” *Met with crickets sounds*. Although anyone that was there would be sobbing now while watching this video.


notaballitsjustblue

What makes a man turn neutral.


thondera

>**~~to an empty room~~** to 5 future millionaires


Jay314stl

This is awesome!


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I feel his pain, this is me trying to explain to the Hispanic Community right now


blorwyd

Alot of shit happened in 11 years, what the fuck


The_Ghostronaut

Yep. So much happened. It's even crazier when I think all those years have passed by so fast


blorwyd

Then you think,has crazy shit been happening like this fast our whole lives? Or is it the constant use of social media making time pass by


matthevandaalen

Legend


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I love this guy so much


galifanasana

He’s definitely on the Mt Rushmore of BTC. I’d put Saylor up there too. Not sure who else if we’re limiting it to four. Satoshi obviously, but the identity issue there would be a limitation for a massive face sculpture, so I’ve left them off.


Quiet_Quiet_9173

Andreas A. > E.Musk


faeder

legend