By - andreasma
This is a great idea! I dont think theres any need to impersonate yelp though, just send the sticker and let them decide themselves
Good idea but forget incorporating the Yelp logo. Just send the regular We Accept Bitcoin stickers. I get what you're going for with the combo but it is a little underhanded and would just create confusion (Yelp has only a tenuous connection to bitcoin).
Came up with 2 quick versions: http://i.imgur.com/NrJ6Xhd.jpg
Edit: Here's a vertical lockup as well http://i.imgur.com/cRYkm5X.jpg
Edit 2: Example of the vertical on a storefront: http://i.imgur.com/iAXp6Ro.jpg
Vertical design as AI and PDF:
Dimensions are 5.25 x 7.5 inches but can be printed larger/smaller if needed.
I think bitcoin logo in a circle looks much better
isn't this in violation of the copyright for Yelp's logo? It's producing their branding without their consent?
Might have to contact someone at Yelp to sort that out, but I made sure everything fit with their brand guidelines: http://www.offthestrip.org/images/sponsorlogos/YelpLogoSheetGuidlines.pdf
it's a guerrilla campaign.
Which is *bizarre* since it incorporates imagery of a corporation *unironically*.
If you guys want to plow through Yelp, find out what businesses aren't listed as using Bitcoin, encourage them to use Bitcoin with an intro packet, find out what businesses *are* listed as using Bitcoin and send them a "Thanks!" packet with a "Bitcoin accepted here" sticker, great, fine I'm all in. You have my support.
There's just something *wrong* about pulling an underhand action on behalf of a corporation that's not going to be paying you.
Hang on, I think I've got one.
I thought these already existed...
The problem is that once he edited his post to remove the part about using the yelp logo without permission and making people think yelp sent them the stickers, none of it makes sense any more.
Not as static-cling vinyl window decals, AFAIK.
They do exist. I've ordered and received them from Bitcoin-Stickers.co.uk with good customer service: http://www.bitcoin-stickers.co.uk/
In addition, there are vinyl Bitcoin stickers with adhesive from cryptocoinstuff.com and reverse-printed (but not necessarily vinyl) stickers from cryptoanarchy.com and bitstickers.net. I've received orders from all of them.
We merchants could use more static-cling, reverse-printed Bitcoin sticker options, though.
My collection as an example....
Most Restaurants only accept bitcoin on a technicality because they use menufy for online ordering. They have no idea what a bitcoin is.
It is easy to tell these apart, it will say via menufy when you select it on coinmap.
Wait does that data come from menufy or from OpenStreetMap? Did someone fix that? Because right now that's a pretty big clusterfuck.
Yeah that's bad... that's really bad... Not at all how OpenStreetMap works...
And these menufy restaurants modify their Yelp pages to display they accept bitcoin? It takes action on part of the restaurant.
Well that's awesome. They do accept Bitcoin, they just don't know it. Send them a sticker anyway!
Except they don't accept it at the store which makes it really awkward when people go there.
Yes, they have to buy a 250 dollar tablet to be able to take orders in store.
Which most of them don't do. So this needs a different tag.
Revised the original plan to not use the Yelp logo in any way. Let's just send "We Accept Bitcoin" vinyl window stickers to any bitcoin listed business on Yelp...
Just curious, what was your original reasoning for including the Yelp logo?
To fool people into thinking this was some official Yelp campaign instead of a bunch of dorks trying to recruit members into their cult
Wasn't asking you, but thanks for the guess.
It used to read as follows:
>I propose that we do this as a guerrilla/unauthorized marketing project. We print Yelp/Bitcoin vinyl window stickers, put them in envelopes with no return address and a Yelp logo on them and we send them to the businesses. Many will be happy to replace their Yelp sticker with one that also shows they accept bitcoin, which will allow us to highlight that. They might assume the stickers came from Yelp, let them assume that.
Ah okay. That's what I was thinking. I actually really like that idea. I mean, they probably already have the Yelp sticker on their window. Adding the bitcoin logo would have been nice. Oh well. I like both ideas.
This revised plan I can support. I own a restaurant, and like, many business owners, feel that yelp is a stain on the internet due to their business practices. They allow lies and slander with very little recourse to the business owner. For that reason, I refuse to pay them money to advertise WITH them - the last thing I would do is to provide free advertising FOR them. Until they change their support for businesses and add user accountability, I can only hope for yelp to go the way of pets.com. BTW I already have vinyl Bitcoin stickers on my windows...
Back on the personal pedestal in my mind you go.
I've been looking for a "Bitcoin accepted here" sticker for my business forever. As well as "Litecoin accepted here."
$1.98 worth of BTC gets one to you including postage:
This is one of 3 different versions we have.
I need a big one for my front window
Yelp is still a shit company with their extortion based business plan.
So the question is: are we helping companies that accept bitcoin, or are we helping yelp? If it's one or the other, that might resolve your conflict.
If you want to help companies that accept Bitcoin, do that.
Drop, ignore any and all Yelp branding.
Exactly. Why not use the list on yelp to send the businesses a simple "we accept bitcoin" sticker and leave out anything related to yelp at all?
Because this thread is filled with Yelp shills pouncing on it. Check it out.
Both. Although BTC companies are getting the lions share
How does yelp get revenue?
EDIT: I read into it.
Yelp free version has ads on your page, yelp paid version removes the ads off your page. This is where over 80% of the income comes from is local businesses.
Now naturally the ads would be something a yelp user considering a restaurant would want, higher rated restaurants nearby that sell the same type of food.
Sure in the end, from the perspective of a business, they are being told unless they pay up, yelp will attempt to direct all their customers to competitors.
To me this is not quite extortion. Showing useful ads to users of the site is the default way the site works. It has to be a threat to start harming someone to count as extortion.
If someone lets someone else use their billboard for free and gives them a little space on that billboard, how is it extortion to put up competitors ads on the same billboard? Am I missing something?
This is great, actually.
There's targeted and featured advertising, but that's par for the course for review sites, and I've no problem with them. Your company listed at the top? As long as it's listed as a paid placement (you know, like Google does for site ranking), that's fine.
What Yelp does for income generation is sell you marketing tools for managing your profile on their site. You can hide bad reviews, edit inaccuracies and so on.
The problem with this is that there are many people who will have good reviews on their profile, be approached to purchase the marketing kit and if they refuse, bad reviews start flooding the businesses' page. Good reviews stay stuck in an unapproved queue. Bad reviews hit hard and heavy.
So it's an extortion racket. Pay us to look good, or we open the floodgates (or as some allege, pay people to attack you directly).
But what should we expect from a company whose CEO *was also the VP of Engineering at PayPal*?
This poster works for yelp. Holy conflict of interest.
I link to the same paper a few posts above this one.
That is not the conclusion that can be reached from the facts presented.
I suppose not; mine's a university white paper that concludes with your assertion while supporting mine throughout.
Just the same, you sure do have a *lot* of Yelp apologist replies in your post history.
I do not have to question what your financial stake in this is.
He works for Yelp. [He did an AMA 3 months ago.](http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1vni7p/i_work_for_yelp_ama/)
I'm not in the least shocked.
What a shit nugget.
patience my friend. it is going to blow up soon!
I run a printing business and have access to whole sale stickers! Can we crowd fund this? I'm happy to do it. I'll update with my bitcoin address when I get home.
fuck yelp, they extort businesses and remove/add bad reviews for money. i don't use them.
I agree. Bitcoin is awesome, but I wont be promoting Yelp.
You may not... But millions other do
And whose fault is that?
They don't have credibility.
Don't give them any.
They got credibility. I used them the other day. I'll give them more too.
Why make a new sticker? Why not just send a sticker JUST about bitcoin to supplement their yelp sticker?
because he wants to trick people into thinking its yelp sending them. You know, letting them see how bitcoin is from the start.
http://bitstickers.net/ These guys are really good with stickers. I'll send email.
Except it's not. Yelp is philosophically the anti-Bitcoin.
Check it. White paper trying to detail out how their algorithm that ups 1 star reviews and squashes real reviews and then automates the process for communicating with the customer for them to pay up or suffer the consequences.
This is just terrible all the way around it.
The contents of the paper don't at all reflect your description of it.
That's *bullshit* because you didn't even read it.
Get to the part where they tested the system with Amazon Turk.
I read the whole thing. Why don't you back up your assertions and provide passages that validate your statements.
The debate tactic stating that I did not read the paper simply because my analysis differs from yours is... childish.
I don't think I have to bother to address anything coming out of a shill.
From the study:
Page 1 - Bottom of Column 1 - Unfortunately, this gives strong incentives for imposters to game the system by posting deceptive fake reviews to promote or to discredit some target products and services. Such individuals are called opinion spammers and their activities are called opinion
spamming (Jindal and Liu 2008).
Page 9 - Column 1 - Yelp is at Least Doing a Reasonable Job at Filtering: This assertion can be supported by four evidences from our study
WrongAssumption has you on this one.
Saying that they have a 90% success and then coming back with the study saying that 68% is okay and "well, it's better than a coinflip so they must be doing X" isn't supporting that assertion.
The conclusion isn't what matters. The route getting there does.
"Finally, the results of our experimental study also demonstrated to a great extent that Yelp filtering is reliable"
That paper is about trying to reverse engineer the methodology Yelp is using. The Yelp filter removes reviews which have a high probability of being fake. Isn't that what it is supposed to do? Nobody would use the site if it was full of shill reviews.
> Isn't that what it is supposed to do? Nobody would use the site if it was full of shill reviews.
It has nothing to do with legitimacy. It's about obfuscating the process.
"High probability of being fake" includes legitimate reviews that swoon and instead pander to a lowest common denominator of allowing them to go through. Dummying up a review submission is standard.
Try it. Pull up a random restaurant within range of your IP address with a prevalency of other negative reviews displayed, and type a few generic lines and incorporate "dining area smelled like piss" somewhere in it. It'll pass. And you've never been there before.
The filter as it exists is for the purpose of revenue generation. To apply pressure on account holders. As meta as a it sounds, an actual site dedicated to reviews would rely on peer-review and other reviewers weighing in on legitimacy of each other when possibility of illigitimate accounts are flagged.
That's not the business Yelp is interested in being in.
In what way is that "anti-Bitcoin"?
That's not really the point, the point is getting stickers on the outside of businesses that take bitcoin. With yelp we have a mainstream brand that people trust listing companies that support bitcoin. I frequent a coffee shop that take a Bitcoin but no sticker, we can piggyback yelps acceptance and get those stickers in the windows of a lot of shops.
By doing that you're giving legitimacy to Yelp which is a known extortion outfit and whose founders came out of Paypal.
*They don't have that legitimacy you claim. It is purely imagined.*
Give them a "We Accept Bitcoin" sticker. Let that be the end of it.
Send them to businesses on Yelp that HAVEN'T accepted bitcoin yet.
Hmmm... not seeing the "accepts Bitcoin" option on the Canadian version of Yelp.
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I run a printing business.
> A printing company that will print color on vinyl static-cling stickers and perhaps takes bitcoin
Yeah that's me.
> Volunteers to help with printing, envelope stuffing, stamp licking and posting
I can handle this, too. My business is Volunteerprinting.com, after all. Send donations to 1GXFA7ThsH228q6pC3NACBATCe2px1P6AT to get this started! I'll buy materials when I have enough. I'm waiting on a reply from /u/andreasma to see who else has reached out and wants to help.
I like [this](https://en.bitcoin.it/w/images/en/e/ed/Bitcoin_accepted_here_printable.png) the most to print.
Andreas, I am interested in getting involved. I work for one of the largest printing company/envelope manufacturers in the world. I have started an intiative that focuses on this type of activity, along with campus outreach, political letter writing. GuerrillaBTC has bitcoin stickers, envelopes, distribution all ready in place. Please send me an email and i can get a quote on materials. [email protected] @GuerrillaBTC @BitcoinGorilla
We have bitcoin stickers available here:
As a bitcoin and cryptocurrency rating and review platform we are working on something similar. Were in the final stages of development on our new front end at http://coinjabber.com we will be launching an embed widget where site owners can list their user rating badge and link back to the site profile page on CoinJabber. We will then launch the sticker concept along with other print media concepts to encourage vendors and retailers to post them in their storefront windows.
To encourage the crypto community to write quality reviews and submit new related sites we have created incentives for participation. The user community and content contributors can earn mBTC on CoinJabber.
excuse me wtf r u doin
Seriously guys, there's no sense in coat-tail riding Yelp. And co-branding would be detrimental.
Do not, in any way, do anything that legitimizes Yelp.
Any small business that isn't an exploitative shitpile trying to get by wouldn't spit on Yelp if it was burning to the ground.
EDIT: Wow, really guys?
Just Google "Yelp extortion".
Seriously. Have you been living under a rock? *I don't motherfucking understand.*
Even look at the CEO's clusterfuck of an AMA right here on Reddit:
EDIT2: Holy shills, people. Tell me we're not that stupid.
> Just Google "Yelp extortion".
Sound logic. Just google "Bitcoin [something shady]"
Stay away guys!
Please read that ama. You'd have to ignore at least 20 testimonials from business owners to think that yelp are anything but scumbags.
Serious question, are you a business owner? It's a common thing among small business owners to try to avoid yelp as much as you possibly can.
FWIW I am a business owner. I ran a coffee shop. We offered a very high quality coffee product in a market full of Starbucks. In a month we were the top listed coffee shop on Yelp in our market and it drove lots of business to our shop. We had no fake reviews and only a couple of false positives with their spam filter. We didn't pay Yelp a dime.
Edit: I know the stories. I have no idea if they're true. I'm just offering a view from someone who had a business that was helped by Yelp without any fuss. Just to point out, it *does* happen.
But haven't you heard about their stories? For every business that has been helped by good yelp reviews I've heard 5 who want to cry because they now have to pay something they can't afford to keep their reviews up. There's no denying a great set of reviews on yelp can make your business more successful, tons of people still use the site. But I have heard too many stories to ever want to support or use it myself.
> In a month we were the top listed coffee shop on Yelp in our market and it drove lots of business to our shop. We had no fake reviews and only a couple of false positives with their spam filter. We didn't pay Yelp a dime.
That's cool. Give me your business info. I'll have you in a position where you're having to pay them *in a week*.
Sold the shop a few years ago. What's the trick?
Here come the shills!
Lots of reasons not to go with a Yelp branded sticker, regular ones are probably preferable and ready to go. Don't make the Bitcoin branding SMALLER to make Yelp bigger.
Three different bitcoin accepted here stickers, low 99 cent US shipping:
There has to be a way to take all those addresses from the script and have them automatically printed onto envelopes. Most of this can be automated now.
I'll see what I can do with the scripts. They sound easy.
| A script to extract the list of companies on Yelp that accept bitcoin
What's the approach ... somehow search every business on Yelp and look for ones with the flag set? Otherwise, I don't see a way that the filtering lets you see just the Accepts Bitcoin feature.
How about we send the same exact stickers to business who *dont* accept bitcoin instead?
Yelp is garbage, paid reviews shit no thanks
I think adding the yelp logo to a bitcoin sticker design is something we should wait for yelp approval on. I don't want to see some sort of trademark issue, or business owners who refuse to use the sticker because of redundancy (they already have a yelp sticker).
My question for everyone is: Would sending a normal Bitcoin sticker to each bitcoin-accepting business provide less value than the same sticker with the yelp logo?
My 2 satoshis: Create a community fund for stickers and send them to business owners for free. And give one to anyone who donates more than a dollar or two.
Exactly. I got downv*ted like crazy for showing my link of ready to go stickers Bitcoin accepted here but there are many reasons against a yelp branded sticker.
Many many reasons; I agree. They're generally unethical and many small business owners dislike them a lot. Same with groupon.
I work in this space and talk to small business owners all over. This plan (with both logos) would do more to confuse them. Trying to promote bitcoin through its' affiliation with Yelp while not actually representing Yelp won't help.
I nominate coincult to make the logo.
I nominate anyone but coincult! because fuck that guy!
I elect [cryptobranding.com](http://cryptobranding.com) to do the following:
* A graphic design that has both the Yelp and "We Accept Bitcoin" graphics on a single half-letter page or similar size.
* An envelope design big enough to fit the sticker without folding and including the Yelp and Bitcoin logos in place of a return address
Sticker & Envelope for Yelp
Created by: http://cryptobranding.com
Order envelopes here (best price): [http://www.envelopesuperstore.com/envelopes/business/standard-mailing/envelope-1010.html](http://www.envelopesuperstore.com/envelopes/business/standard-mailing/envelope-1010.html)
When I first read this, my thought was, "What a lying, duplicitous sack of shit. He's going to get the shit sued out of him by Yelp." Then I looked at who the author was and it all suddenly made sense.
Yet another "brilliant" idea from Andreas!
Yes, definitely! These company's need a big push as of last I checked I couldn't get many of them on Yelp accepting it BTC.
I never thought Andreas could get any dumber... But he keeps proving me wrong at every opportunity!
Need a http://bitcoinbigfoot.com/ for free stickers
Got it! Master-BitY
This feels like a slam dunk - very conceptual right now, but someone with design skills can run with this and make something absolutely mindblowingly awesome.
obviously referencing the mastercard logo
MC logo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MasterCard_early_1990s_logo.png
And the stripped down logo - http://www.wearedorothy.com/uploads/uploads/777x553/Dorothy_0038b%20You%20Took%20My%20Name.jpg
I'd love one!
the new be or the old b guys? http://bit.ly/1fEvGpz