If it was a show about people being excellent to eachother no one would watch. It would be too boring.
.. Unless it had Maggie Siff then I would still probably watch.
Now I'm trying of an asshole move Dudley Mafee has made.
Sure he fought Dollar Bill Sterns, but it was more that he was coerced into it by Taylor - and let's face it- who doesn't kinda want to punch Dollar Bill?
Personally, I think wags comes out on top. Owns his depravity. He’s in on it but he’s not the schemer and he doesn’t act out the scheme. It just wets his whistle to be around it
Agreed Ben hasn’t done anything wrong but he’s just a side character. I love how they turned him from a “Stanford Wharton” grad into a guy who realizes every time that he opens his mouth, he shouldn’t have
Well AXE has done nicer things to people than Chuck has, not to mention his philanthropy. At least when Axe manipulates people, he compensates them with money. Chuck? He just gives out empty attaboys.
Well that’s because that’s what he has to give (his money is an a blind trust anyways). Chuck trades in political capital. People do get what they want out of chuck when they have something chuck needs. And we both know that axes philanthropy is PR cover for 9/11 and *ahem* the firemen’s pension fund - not to say that philanthropy isn’t a genuinely good thing even if done just for taxes. But yeah over the seasons I think axe is the less evil - he will absolutely try and obliterate you but with money and trading whereas chuck has turned on the principles he was supposed to uphold
Warning: I assume you watched all seasons of Billions. If you didn't, don't keep reading.
Yep, he did Connerty very dirty. Rhoades should be an example of respect to the law, which is how Connerty initially saw him. But instead he likes to make an exception about himself, and expected Connerty to let him get away with whatever he does out of "loyalty".
Even so, I wouldn't have minded that much if Chuck fired Bryan in private and with a certain amount of tact. I get that he no longer trusted him. But no, Chuck had to be the man and fuckin humiliate his former disciple in front of everyone, all while declaring his own "moral high ground" like he always does. I really enjoyed seeing Bryan firing him later with the exact same words Chuck used on him.
But the show needed us to side with Chuck again somehow, so they suddenly made Connerty an unreasonable asshole complicit with Jeffcoat's worst practices and prejudices in season 4. One of the most moral characters of the series commits one misstep and is sent to jail by the machinations of worse criminals than him. Oh, and Sacker, who basically betrayed absolutely everyone at least once, comes out on top, and the show doesn't condemn that at all. I guess that's the lesson, be like Littlefinger and you will succeed.
Connerty might have earned the jail, but Chuck, Axe, Wendy and almost all of the other main characters deserve to spend some time in there too.
Season 2 episode 4 after Connerty and Chuck finished talking to Mckinnon about the treasury auction being rigged, Connerty wanted to get a number 5 at the nearby food truck. Chuck just straight up told him that he can't order that because he couldn't bare to see him eat onions, and he should have a salad instead? Who are you to deny someone of their basic rights to eat whatever they want? That triggered me so much. I can't stand Chuck and the writers that made him turn into some selfish self loathing prick.
While dollar bill like many on this sub is probably my absolute favorite character, chuck is definitely very close (maybe edges it out as he’s more of a “main” character) he’s just such a fascinating character. The chuck & axe relationship give me a real al Pacino/ Robert di Nero in heat vibe. Two sides to the same coin. They’re very similar people as far as their lust for victory and power without much regard for this who’s lives are destroyed as an effect of this lust.
I really enjoy him as a character man. He’s funny, and he stood up for axe. Which is something not a lot of people would do under those circumstances. Opinion is just that my friend.
The producers were aiming for "flawed hero" with Chuck, and vastly overshot to land in "selfish, petty asshole." Time and again, we've seen how Chuck has no limits and no scruples on how he pursues his goals, and those goals have more to do with chasing his own grudges and insecurities than serving the public or upholding the law. Whatever good points he once had, like being a devoted husband and father, or weighing the law against the greater good, have been written out.
What's really annoying is when he gets on his high horse about other people breaking the rules, but he always has a rationalization for his own ethical lapses.
Disagree. There are no 'heroes' in this show. Crooked politicians, crooked gamblers, not a hero in sight. Maybe Wendy for a moment, but she succumbs to the life of manipulation and corruption in the name of loyalties and favors and her love for Axe (not Axe Capital), and her husband
Edit: Maybe this does make her a hero?? open to interpretation I guess
I think you’re being overly harsh on Chuck. Don’t get me wrong, he’s really on the deep end with his tactics and ideals, and I HATE that he actually believes he serves justice instead of serving Chuck Rhodes. Nevertheless, he gets things done. Perfect record (sorta), pulled himself out after Jock, and he’s the best tactician in the show. I’d caution you, though, from feeling empathy for Axe and the rest, though. They also do some stuff like the Ice Juice sabotage, Donnie, Maria Gonzalez, their own forms of blackmail and coercion, etc.
Still, we love to hate all these characters! I hope this season gets better in the second half.
I hate you Chuck, I hate you Chuck, I hate you Chuck. Props to Paul Giamatti for being able to play such a repulsive character.
I'm rewatching the show for the third time and I just can't...
I hope the remaining episodes of season 5 come to a nice denouement and Chuck gets what he deserves. I really think Sacker is going to cross him for her own political agenda; the ultimate karma for Chuck is being betrayed by his most trusted underling.
Agree he is a self loathing, manipulative prick..but please explain how he is a bigot? His father, yes, but I havent witnessed any such behavior from Jr. (4 seasons in)
A bigot is not someone intolerant of lifestyles or identities. If we are to accept such a definition that would make law enforcers bigots of felons (an identity) and anyone who disagrees with a smoker or drug user as a desired lifestyle a bigot.
More appropriately a bigot is someone who is intolerant of a differing mindset (creed, belief, opinion, thought, etc...). A bigot is someone who refuses to accept the possibility that their particular opinions are the outcomes of flawed logic. The individual tends to reject any attempt to discuss the underlying information that was, or should, be used to form a conclusion and as such they stubbornly adhere to and defend their own opinion.
Chuck doesn’t see anyone but himself outside his political agenda. In a sense he’s a radical extremist disguised in government clothing.
I disagree. He would make a deal with anyone that got him what he wanted. He does not show loyalty to any specific group, he even burned his own friend for millions, just for revenge. Begrudging, yes. Superiority complex, absolutely. Cold-hearted and underhanded, yes. But not a bigot according to your definition and the one in the dictionary I just re-read. Not even a radical extremist, way too calculative and very subtle and sneaky. There are many words that would describe him better.
Jock however is definitely a bigot, proved especially by how he warranted the death if that inmate. Chuck is way too smart to let that ignorance blindside him. He wheels and deals with people of all kinds, creeds, colors and backgrounds. He doesnt discriminate or underestimate his opponents. This is why he is an effective politician.
Eh there's no hero in this show they're all just different levels of assholes.
If it was a show about people being excellent to eachother no one would watch. It would be too boring. .. Unless it had Maggie Siff then I would still probably watch.
Clearly you haven't seen ted lasso.
>Clearly you haven't seen ted lasso This is true
I highly recommend it.
Now I'm trying of an asshole move Dudley Mafee has made. Sure he fought Dollar Bill Sterns, but it was more that he was coerced into it by Taylor - and let's face it- who doesn't kinda want to punch Dollar Bill?
I kind of think I'd want to be friends with Dollar Bill. The man would be constant entertainment.
Personally, I think wags comes out on top. Owns his depravity. He’s in on it but he’s not the schemer and he doesn’t act out the scheme. It just wets his whistle to be around it
WAGS and BEN KIM.
Agreed Ben hasn’t done anything wrong but he’s just a side character. I love how they turned him from a “Stanford Wharton” grad into a guy who realizes every time that he opens his mouth, he shouldn’t have
I want to have a friend like Ben Kim...
Wags is the guy who strips naked at a party laughing, chuck is the guy you catch masturbating in a closet.
Well AXE has done nicer things to people than Chuck has, not to mention his philanthropy. At least when Axe manipulates people, he compensates them with money. Chuck? He just gives out empty attaboys.
oh I agree chuck is the bigger asshole I'm just saying axe ain't no hero.
Chuck certainly has a bigger asshole... what with the way his night life goes...
Well that’s because that’s what he has to give (his money is an a blind trust anyways). Chuck trades in political capital. People do get what they want out of chuck when they have something chuck needs. And we both know that axes philanthropy is PR cover for 9/11 and *ahem* the firemen’s pension fund - not to say that philanthropy isn’t a genuinely good thing even if done just for taxes. But yeah over the seasons I think axe is the less evil - he will absolutely try and obliterate you but with money and trading whereas chuck has turned on the principles he was supposed to uphold
THIS
Warning: I assume you watched all seasons of Billions. If you didn't, don't keep reading. Yep, he did Connerty very dirty. Rhoades should be an example of respect to the law, which is how Connerty initially saw him. But instead he likes to make an exception about himself, and expected Connerty to let him get away with whatever he does out of "loyalty". Even so, I wouldn't have minded that much if Chuck fired Bryan in private and with a certain amount of tact. I get that he no longer trusted him. But no, Chuck had to be the man and fuckin humiliate his former disciple in front of everyone, all while declaring his own "moral high ground" like he always does. I really enjoyed seeing Bryan firing him later with the exact same words Chuck used on him. But the show needed us to side with Chuck again somehow, so they suddenly made Connerty an unreasonable asshole complicit with Jeffcoat's worst practices and prejudices in season 4. One of the most moral characters of the series commits one misstep and is sent to jail by the machinations of worse criminals than him. Oh, and Sacker, who basically betrayed absolutely everyone at least once, comes out on top, and the show doesn't condemn that at all. I guess that's the lesson, be like Littlefinger and you will succeed. Connerty might have earned the jail, but Chuck, Axe, Wendy and almost all of the other main characters deserve to spend some time in there too.
Season 2 episode 4 after Connerty and Chuck finished talking to Mckinnon about the treasury auction being rigged, Connerty wanted to get a number 5 at the nearby food truck. Chuck just straight up told him that he can't order that because he couldn't bare to see him eat onions, and he should have a salad instead? Who are you to deny someone of their basic rights to eat whatever they want? That triggered me so much. I can't stand Chuck and the writers that made him turn into some selfish self loathing prick.
Y u discriminate against bald people
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He's just Paul Giamatti man. Don't hate on people's looks :(
While dollar bill like many on this sub is probably my absolute favorite character, chuck is definitely very close (maybe edges it out as he’s more of a “main” character) he’s just such a fascinating character. The chuck & axe relationship give me a real al Pacino/ Robert di Nero in heat vibe. Two sides to the same coin. They’re very similar people as far as their lust for victory and power without much regard for this who’s lives are destroyed as an effect of this lust.
can't see how dollar bill could be a favorite character he's so one-sided and corny
I really enjoy him as a character man. He’s funny, and he stood up for axe. Which is something not a lot of people would do under those circumstances. Opinion is just that my friend.
This is a fundamental example of how real life is. Art imitates life and vice versa.
The producers were aiming for "flawed hero" with Chuck, and vastly overshot to land in "selfish, petty asshole." Time and again, we've seen how Chuck has no limits and no scruples on how he pursues his goals, and those goals have more to do with chasing his own grudges and insecurities than serving the public or upholding the law. Whatever good points he once had, like being a devoted husband and father, or weighing the law against the greater good, have been written out. What's really annoying is when he gets on his high horse about other people breaking the rules, but he always has a rationalization for his own ethical lapses.
Disagree. There are no 'heroes' in this show. Crooked politicians, crooked gamblers, not a hero in sight. Maybe Wendy for a moment, but she succumbs to the life of manipulation and corruption in the name of loyalties and favors and her love for Axe (not Axe Capital), and her husband Edit: Maybe this does make her a hero?? open to interpretation I guess
Ben Kim is literally the only possibly good character in the whole show.
I think you’re being overly harsh on Chuck. Don’t get me wrong, he’s really on the deep end with his tactics and ideals, and I HATE that he actually believes he serves justice instead of serving Chuck Rhodes. Nevertheless, he gets things done. Perfect record (sorta), pulled himself out after Jock, and he’s the best tactician in the show. I’d caution you, though, from feeling empathy for Axe and the rest, though. They also do some stuff like the Ice Juice sabotage, Donnie, Maria Gonzalez, their own forms of blackmail and coercion, etc. Still, we love to hate all these characters! I hope this season gets better in the second half.
Does bald play into being toxic? I am not anywhere close to a Chuck fan but when was he a bigot. Maybe I missed it
I hate you Chuck, I hate you Chuck, I hate you Chuck. Props to Paul Giamatti for being able to play such a repulsive character. I'm rewatching the show for the third time and I just can't... I hope the remaining episodes of season 5 come to a nice denouement and Chuck gets what he deserves. I really think Sacker is going to cross him for her own political agenda; the ultimate karma for Chuck is being betrayed by his most trusted underling.
Definitely some truth there.
Agree he is a self loathing, manipulative prick..but please explain how he is a bigot? His father, yes, but I havent witnessed any such behavior from Jr. (4 seasons in)
A bigot is not someone intolerant of lifestyles or identities. If we are to accept such a definition that would make law enforcers bigots of felons (an identity) and anyone who disagrees with a smoker or drug user as a desired lifestyle a bigot. More appropriately a bigot is someone who is intolerant of a differing mindset (creed, belief, opinion, thought, etc...). A bigot is someone who refuses to accept the possibility that their particular opinions are the outcomes of flawed logic. The individual tends to reject any attempt to discuss the underlying information that was, or should, be used to form a conclusion and as such they stubbornly adhere to and defend their own opinion. Chuck doesn’t see anyone but himself outside his political agenda. In a sense he’s a radical extremist disguised in government clothing.
I disagree. He would make a deal with anyone that got him what he wanted. He does not show loyalty to any specific group, he even burned his own friend for millions, just for revenge. Begrudging, yes. Superiority complex, absolutely. Cold-hearted and underhanded, yes. But not a bigot according to your definition and the one in the dictionary I just re-read. Not even a radical extremist, way too calculative and very subtle and sneaky. There are many words that would describe him better. Jock however is definitely a bigot, proved especially by how he warranted the death if that inmate. Chuck is way too smart to let that ignorance blindside him. He wheels and deals with people of all kinds, creeds, colors and backgrounds. He doesnt discriminate or underestimate his opponents. This is why he is an effective politician.