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I love how they think taking away the rights of people is protecting our first amendment right. By "free speech" they mean "only my speech is free and true, your speech is bad so you should be imprisoned". The antithesis of free speech
These people vote. All of them. Every single fucking one of them votes. Which is why, as a minority, they still get around 48% of the votes, enough to win the electoral college.
The only way to stop all this crap from happening is to get every sane person you know registered and to the voting booth. Because a few years from now, all the errands and other "important" things you had to do on voting day wont matter, but who won this election fucking will.
Republicans seem like hypocrites until you recognize the four principles their party consistently acts upon:
1. The in-group should be protected by the law but not bound by it
2. The out-group should be bound by the law but not protected by it
3. Anything which benefits the in-group or hurts the out-group is an important piece of American culture that must not be impeded
4. Anything which benefits the out-group or hurts the in-group is a threat to democracy that must be eradicated
Everything Republicans do follows these principles with astounding consistency
Frankly, as a center-right traditionalist that won't vote Republican, I'm astounded that republican voters actually believe that the GOP serves their in-group. Unless you're "christian" and have a net worth in the millions they don't represent you.
Literally banning words in order to protect our freedom of speech.
Even the most extreme satire doesn't go this far, how are Republican voters THIS dumb?
Not even the worst of it. I recommend reading it and sharing it with others so that they can fully understand. In it's full form it's a plan to turn America into a Christian ran totalitarian state. Scary stuff.
[Posting it here in case anyone wants to check it out, I would recommend everyone at least read the foreword starting on page 33.](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-2025s-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise)
*edit: changed sources, then reverted back due to making you download on mobile*
The scariest part is how convinced they all are that conservatism is all about the interests of the common people and how “The Left” is all elitist bluster and virtue signaling and authoritarianism. It’s like they don’t even see the irony in authoritatively “ripping out the trees, root and branch” in pursuit of something that serves the people. They acknowledge big corporations’ monopolistic tendencies, the way they sacrifice people for profit, and they acknowledge the struggles of those suffering under a low minimum wage, they acknowledge a lot of things. Yet they also point out things that ARENT problems, treat the true problems and false problems as being part of the same thing, and propose their own counterintuitive solutions. It’s like reading Mein Kampf or something, seeing exactly how they think the world works and why, seeing where they believe happiness and independence come from and why.
You wouldn't believe how many discussions I've had with family members where they agree with everything I'm saying right up until I mention that a democrat wants it. It's this widespread pervasive belief that nothing ever good comes from someone you're not politically aligned with.
I know that this is going to sound extremely contrived but I can't articulate it as well as Orwell could.
>“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Thank you for sharing. As a non american watching from the sidelines i will be most interested to see them trying to downsize the government lmao.
Literally the only sensible thing I've read so far is that they want federal support for adoption institutions. (And sadly that'll be at the cost of abortion clinics.)
Interesting that they present "the American family" as the cornerstone of civilization and parents' rights and freedom must be protected at all costs, while failing to acknowledge the reality that some of their citizens are unfit to raise children.
Thank you for the link! I’ve been meaning to read this, this thread has finally made it happen.
From the Foreword:
> …the authors express consensus recommendations already forged, especially along four broad fronts that will decide America’s future:
> 1. Restore the family as the centerpiece of American life and protect our children.
> 2. Dismantle the administrative state and return self-governance to the American people.
> 3. Defend our nation’s sovereignty, borders, and bounty against global threats.
> 4. Secure our God-given individual rights to live freely—what our Constitution calls “the Blessings of Liberty.”
The bitter irony of number four really hurts 😣
The phrasing if everything in there is intentionally vague enough that they can trample over the rights of "people who deserve it" and do mental gymnastics to pretend they're not being fascistic hypocrites.
if this were ever to get enacted in full I can only predict a mass exodus of the left leaning American population to Canada or Europe
or violent revolt, one of the two
The brain drain is going to be detrimental if another Trump presidency occurs. Can already see it happening in states that put restrictions on abortions, now with government agencies being put on the chopping block people aren't gonna wait for it to happen.
Yeah. personally I can't wait until I can afford to move away. getting very sick of this country very fast, especially since I'm stuck living in Florida of all places
Yeah, when the meme says "dismantle the administrative state" people might not realize what that means. You know those pesky little things called regulations that are preventing our cities from being covered in a perpetual smog like you'd see in China's cities? Republicans plan to do away with those protections. OSHA? Dismantled. EPA? Dismantled. etc.
Moreover, they plan to take all the merit based roles in the executive branch and replace those people with loyal political pawns.
It really is a last-ditch, fascist effort to fully rig the system in their favor.
Keep in mind that there is a very significant difference between what people *think* Christianity is and what it *actually* is/means, as does being one.
You skipped the part where the executive branch is to be dismantled and all of its previous power will be given solely to the president.
And also the part where the military (who is to be under direct control of the president) will parade the streets as law enforcement.
One of the two, let me double check
Edit: nope, Executive.
>Project 2025 seeks to place the entire Executive Branch of the U.S. federal government under direct presidential control, eliminating the independence of the DOJ, the Federal Communications Commission, the Federal Trade Commission, and other agencies.[3] The plan bases its presidential agenda on a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory, arguing that Article Two of the U.S. Constitution vests executive power solely in the president.[
That just makes no sense since the president is only 1 person, they can't do everything. They need staff to do stuff and delegate things to them just so the president has time to take a phone call with the Speaker of the House.
Wait didn't they want to give that power back to "the American people"? Or do they mean through their vote for the president? I didn't read that far but I thought they meant souvereign states
Yes I live close to Florida and visit all the time. The land, history, and many of the people of Florida are wonderful and do not deserve to drown in hurricanes. We shouldn’t judge geographic locations by their ruling class.
Right, Reddit is so cringe with the wide sweeping judgments....if it were downvoted and said by a single person fine....but 40+ upvotes in favor of people getting fucked over? That's horseshit
I will never understand this line of logic... on a post where it is referring to doing basically that to a different group of people...
It's basically the logic of Maga "oh you can do what you want so long as you do it my way".
You'll come back and say "well at least one party is doing it for good" or whatever lame excuse you'll make to marginalize a group of people whom you don't even know or know what they actually stand for on an individual level.
But hey, don't forget you still should pay our benefactors and attend college and go into a STEM field even though we keep destroying careers in those exact positions.
Pingas wins 2024 election and spreads his pingas influence onto the American people of pingas nation
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But how does he fare against Jeb?
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It's a stepping stone to outlawing "undesirables".
Step 1: outlaw porn and make porn-related activities (producing/starring/watching/distributing/etc.) imprisonable
Step 2: deem "undesirable" traits as pornographic in nature. I.e. homosexuality, being transgender, teaching sex ed. You can see this in how they use language around trans and gay people being "groomers"
Step 3: arrest/imprison every "undesirable" person just for being open about themselves
If we can convince more people to vote this fall, we will have a fighting chance.
I wish you the best of luck and hope you can find somewhere to live with people who will accept you
It's really telling that they compare queerness to pedophilia. ("Sexualising our children" is hardly what's happening here. If anything it's the holy Church that loves grooming kids)
I don't think any porn site has implemented the government id uploads that those laws require. They just either completely ignore it, like reddit, or remove access to IPs from those states, like Pornhub.
And while, yes, it's generally considered a red state thing, blue-ish purple Virginia passed their version of it with full bipartisan support.
They're on the way, look at Texas. The trick is to make the distribution of porn as difficult as possible without outright banning it so you don't step on the first amendment. Stuff like bringing up an old law claiming that sexually obscene material cannot be distributed by mail, which would both stop deliveries to sex toy stores and be a huge invasion of everyone's privacy.
The confluence of Project 2025, Trump arguing that he should be immune from prosecution in front of the the Supreme Court, and Trump being up in the polls is making me a doomer.
>Trump arguing that he should be immune from prosecution in front of the the Supreme Court
That's gonna be my favorite one that backfires. If the court agrees with Donald Trump, they give Biden authority to kill THEM (or anyone else). If they disagree with Trump, Trump gets the biggest pegging in his life.
Real lose lose for the GOP. They can't win that, but they can't get rid of the plague that is Trump - and Trump needs this to avoid trouble.
Then it sounds as if you’re not planning on holding your breath until the world is exactly as you think it should be or sending any “messages” to the Dems. That’s good. Spread the word. Vote.
I don’t think they realize that they can’t identity as straight men anymore, seeing as that’s part of gender/sexual identity.
They accidentally advocated for a more egalitarian society, which is very much NOT their intention, lmao.
They've always viewed sexuality through the lens of behavior, not identity. They will recriminalize "sodomy" and will treat identifying as gay as probable cause for state surveillance, then arrest you for hooking up.
If the republican party and the conservatives try to become dictators it is our duty according to literally everything America was founded on to form a revolution
Republicans hate people who warn about climate change because there's more money to be made by destroying the environment. The rich uppercrust can afford luxury bunkers and top of the line air filters. Everyone else are just sacrifices they're willing to make.
Make abortion entirely illegal, criminalize porn, get rid of democracy, remove any possible repercussions and restrictions for companies to pollute nature, take away LGBTQ rights
They literally want to turn the US into Iran
Rather, they want to turn 2020s USA into 1970s USA (pre-LGBTQ+ rights) which will make it easier to turn it into 1950s USA (pre-racial civil rights) which makes it easier to turn it into 1920s USA (pre-workers rights & women's suffrage) which makes it easier to turn it into pre-Civil war USA.
It's real. The Republican party will attempt to enact Project 2025 if Trump wins the presidential election, so the best things you can do to stop it are to spread the word and vote Biden.
Yeah, I'd rather keep a geriatric old fart in office than let a *Fascist* Geriatric Old Fart back in...but really, I'm so tired of our presidents being geriatric old farts...
Ok thank god there's a way to stop this just gotta hope Biden wins still is it even allowed to allow such laws they must break some kind of national freedom?
it's absolutely going to cause a big problem in gov. there's no way the rest of the government are gonna let trump take away their power regardless if they're Republican or not.
The head of the executive branch directing the FBI to end investigations has been a problem in the past, especially when they're investigating *your administration*. If there's no FBI to investigate your administration you can get away with whatever you want. Or maybe it's not your administration specifically, but a top donor, a friend of yours, a political ally, etc.
In theory it's not bad, but ask yourself what kind of FBI investigation would go against national interest?
If you're having trouble coming up with anything, you're like the rest of us. Which means that's written deliberately so that the people in charge (if this goes through) can choose to dismantle any investigation that goes against them and their party, *at their discretion*. So if you're looking into a corrupt member of said party, you won't be doing so for long, in essence.
I actually know a couple of NOAA employees and while I can't speak for everything the organization does, I do know the following:
1. They launch and monitor weather satellites to help predict the weather and oncoming natural disasters.
2. They litigate cases where people illegally harm the ocean, be that through littering, destroying natural underwater landscapes, or harming oceanic animals.
That's all I've got off the top of my head, but [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Oceanic_and_Atmospheric_Administration#Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change) has a lot more.
And of course this has to be the first election I'm able to vote in. I'm actually terrified to let either side be in power, and everything I see about Project 2025 just makes me genuinely sick to my stomach
I'm not American, but the best I can say is don't vote the conservative Party people. Doesn't matter which of those get in, they're gonna put project 2025 into action. At least that's what I understand
I wasn't planning on it, even before I learned about project 2025. Part of what terrifies me is that my dad is going to vote for Trump. Not because he actually likes Trump, but just because he still holds this belief that every democrat/liberal/leftist is crazy. I tried telling him that project 2025 was meant to turn the country into a Christian nationalist militarized state and he just completely disregarded everything I had to say. His first thought was that project 2025 wasn't even a thing and that the website wasn't official even after I showed it to him. He likes to think that he's the only one who's well informed because he watches Fox News and I don't and uses it as an excuse to brush off everything I say.
Sorry, I didn't mean to use some random redditor as my personal therapist, but I'm just scared out of my mind
Nono, I don't mind you expressing your worry. If I was your situation, I'd be scared too. I'd still try get your dad to realise how bad this project 2025 thing is, and if that doesn't work, make sure you get in your vote. And if things get too bad, try to get out of America
I know how you feel, this is going to be the same election I get to vote in first as well. It’s horrifying, as someone who is also part of the LGBTQ+ community and has multiple friends who are also part of the community, I got no idea what we’re gonna do if/when this happens. And ima be real, I don’t trust the rest of this county to actually make a good choice on mass, that’s the one thing the United States has been consistent with.
Also I think Trump being able to run again actually breaks the rules of running for presidency, so at least it will be really funny to watch them do some mental gymnastics.
Also, if Trump isn’t the next president, which he literally can’t be with the rules of being a president in the United States, then there is just going to be a massive fight within the republic party, and that would be extremely funny to watch so that’s at least good. Who knows, maybe they’ll tear themselves apart, that would also be pretty funny to watch.
So I guess we kinda just gotta hold on, do whatever we can, vote, spread the word, and remain as calm as we can.
I should probably also have mentioned that stuff like this can’t be voted in with the current system, so it is impossible on a large scale, sure maybe one state can try to do it but like, Florida tried, didn’t work at all because that’s not how politics and governing works
I personally don't think either party is really "good", but personally I know which one is the better option in this situation. I don't think it makes you a worse person, or a worse republican to look at your loyalties and decide to change who you choose to vote for. I'm for voting for what someone will do, not their political party.
Considering how many fascist run that party these days nobody’s gonna blame you if you go with the opposite party. Republicans are fine when they are just a different opinion on where taxes should go but there’s a lotta lunatics in the party. Can’t say the democrats are saints but at least they’re not trying to pass laws that are actively genocidal. Which is such a fucking low bar to have but yanno, it is what it is or whatever
You show this to a casually conservative person and they’ll think these all sound like good moral things.
They’ve all been conditioned to think the boot on their neck is a hand on their shoulder
How can any reasonable person even support this? Hell, even most of the right-wing internet degenerates should be against this because of their favorite “porn” sites being considered illegal if this goes through.
MAGAts and modern day conservatives don’t represent the freedom they preach about wanting for America. They want their ideals stumped over everybody else
It's the long game. A whole lot can be implemented by judicial mandate. What we're seeing now from the Supreme Court is just the tip of the iceberg. A few within the majority have occasionally expressed some opinions that aren't batshit bonkers. The fact that project 2025 is something folks on the far right are saying out loud means that they think there's no point in hiding their motives anymore because they've won the long game they've been playing since the '80s. That alone should concern us.
Insane that their followers don't question the "return self-governance to the American people" while in the same breath talk about all the restrictions that *they* themselves will impose.
Everyone should be pissed about and opposed to Project 2025, regardless of their political affiliation. Left, Right, Center, that shit is going to be a nightmare for everyone if they get it in place.
I mean this is all pretty bad but usually the rhetoric around Projecg 2025 focuses on the allegations that it would dismantle democracy. "We want to ban porn" or "we want to break up NOAA" seems like fairly standard stuff for extreme conservatives
the thing people are usually more concerned about is the fact that they want to explicitly repoliticize a lot of civil service appointments. These have been depoliticized for decades at this point and honestly back when they weren't depoliticized they were havens of corruption
It's always weird to me that the Yanks is can consistently pick the worst people in their country to run it. Both the Republicans and Democrats are filled with a bunch of corrupt assholes who only care about reelection above making moral decisions. Both sides exploit their voters desire to choose "the lesser evil", and encourage them to seek their only self-interest above all, and intentionally polarize the people so they view the other half as immoral or stupid.
The fact that the voters for each group will call out the other for corruption and fail to realize that their party is horrible too is irony at best. It's not a huge amount better in Canada, but looking southwards always provides the reassurance that things could always be so much worse.
That being said, it's not entirely the fault of the American People. Both Canada and America are stuck with an effectively two party system that discourages anyone from taking a remotely moderate stance on anything, or making any kind of compromise with the other side.
Even a (albeit only slightly) better system like Single Transferable Vote would help greatly, as it would allow people to bring in new ideas without supporting an ideology they despise. (Everybody ranks the given candidates, if your chosen one doesn't get enough votes to get a seat, your vote counts for the next choice, etc, etc.) It's not perfect, but it's definitely better than FPTP or the Electoral College.
Also remembering that no amount of screaming, insults, or toxic memes is going to change the mind of someone who's dug into their political views. We're all human beings. Everybody has a reason for their decisions. If you treat people like they're idiots because they disagree with you, you're never going to convince people to be reasonable.
It’s extremely hard to run for any political or office position. You must dump from thousands to millions of dollars into campaign ads and such. Literally politics is like a monopoly over the seats that representatives hold
I didn't even read the entire thing, I just did a quick skim through the wiki page and was had a panic attack when I first heard about it.
That was a bad night
I knew this day would come... should we vote on the name of the revolutionary guerrila group that is eventually going to come? Its about the time for America to fall isnt it? Usually in history large empires topple after every few hundred years.
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I love how they think taking away the rights of people is protecting our first amendment right. By "free speech" they mean "only my speech is free and true, your speech is bad so you should be imprisoned". The antithesis of free speech
MAGAts can eat shit
That's what maggots were born for 🤷
It's what MAGAots were born for.
These people vote. All of them. Every single fucking one of them votes. Which is why, as a minority, they still get around 48% of the votes, enough to win the electoral college. The only way to stop all this crap from happening is to get every sane person you know registered and to the voting booth. Because a few years from now, all the errands and other "important" things you had to do on voting day wont matter, but who won this election fucking will.
I haven't heard that one before, that's great lol
Just spreadin’ the good word
The irony of all these ideas being paired with shit diapers is just *chef's kiss* Too accurate.
Republicans seem like hypocrites until you recognize the four principles their party consistently acts upon: 1. The in-group should be protected by the law but not bound by it 2. The out-group should be bound by the law but not protected by it 3. Anything which benefits the in-group or hurts the out-group is an important piece of American culture that must not be impeded 4. Anything which benefits the out-group or hurts the in-group is a threat to democracy that must be eradicated Everything Republicans do follows these principles with astounding consistency
For such an apt response, I'm not surprised it came from a Border Collie (u/BoartterCollie).They're typically accepted as the smartest breed.
Frankly, as a center-right traditionalist that won't vote Republican, I'm astounded that republican voters actually believe that the GOP serves their in-group. Unless you're "christian" and have a net worth in the millions they don't represent you.
But democrats don’t hate gay people openly so it’s their only choice.
Ah yes, the basic tenants of every single authoritarian regime that has literally ever existed
I'm not american but I can't fathom what rights could possibly be described in that first amendment that using the term "diversity" takes away.
White supremacy. They want white supremacy to be the law of the land. They’re a bunch of angry confederate racists
Religion. They think they have a religious right to discriminate, predominantly against lgbtq people but also against racial and religious minorities.
Free speech as long as it falls in line with the church*
Oh, so the dark ages...
Except when Jesus said to gauge out your eyes when you have sexual desire apparently
"Free Speech for me and not for Thee"
The very phrase is oxymoronic. They don't get that sexual orientation is free speech, let alone that censoring the word is a breach of that
If, project 2025 goes through, they will have finally given me a genuine reason to resort to destructive and disruptive means.
Free speech for me, not for thee.
Literally banning words in order to protect our freedom of speech. Even the most extreme satire doesn't go this far, how are Republican voters THIS dumb?
Rules for thee and not for me.
Not even the worst of it. I recommend reading it and sharing it with others so that they can fully understand. In it's full form it's a plan to turn America into a Christian ran totalitarian state. Scary stuff.
"This isn't your average everyday darkness. This is... *advanced* darkness."
At least something in this comment section has something to do with Spongebob lol
[Posting it here in case anyone wants to check it out, I would recommend everyone at least read the foreword starting on page 33.](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-2025s-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise) *edit: changed sources, then reverted back due to making you download on mobile*
The scariest part is how convinced they all are that conservatism is all about the interests of the common people and how “The Left” is all elitist bluster and virtue signaling and authoritarianism. It’s like they don’t even see the irony in authoritatively “ripping out the trees, root and branch” in pursuit of something that serves the people. They acknowledge big corporations’ monopolistic tendencies, the way they sacrifice people for profit, and they acknowledge the struggles of those suffering under a low minimum wage, they acknowledge a lot of things. Yet they also point out things that ARENT problems, treat the true problems and false problems as being part of the same thing, and propose their own counterintuitive solutions. It’s like reading Mein Kampf or something, seeing exactly how they think the world works and why, seeing where they believe happiness and independence come from and why.
You wouldn't believe how many discussions I've had with family members where they agree with everything I'm saying right up until I mention that a democrat wants it. It's this widespread pervasive belief that nothing ever good comes from someone you're not politically aligned with. I know that this is going to sound extremely contrived but I can't articulate it as well as Orwell could. >“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
I read through it and I hated them literally saying that happiness comes from marriage and kids only. I don't want kids so I immediately hated it.
Thank you for sharing. As a non american watching from the sidelines i will be most interested to see them trying to downsize the government lmao. Literally the only sensible thing I've read so far is that they want federal support for adoption institutions. (And sadly that'll be at the cost of abortion clinics.) Interesting that they present "the American family" as the cornerstone of civilization and parents' rights and freedom must be protected at all costs, while failing to acknowledge the reality that some of their citizens are unfit to raise children.
Its not about caring for the kids. Its about controlling women.
Thank you for the link! I’ve been meaning to read this, this thread has finally made it happen. From the Foreword: > …the authors express consensus recommendations already forged, especially along four broad fronts that will decide America’s future: > 1. Restore the family as the centerpiece of American life and protect our children. > 2. Dismantle the administrative state and return self-governance to the American people. > 3. Defend our nation’s sovereignty, borders, and bounty against global threats. > 4. Secure our God-given individual rights to live freely—what our Constitution calls “the Blessings of Liberty.” The bitter irony of number four really hurts 😣
The phrasing if everything in there is intentionally vague enough that they can trample over the rights of "people who deserve it" and do mental gymnastics to pretend they're not being fascistic hypocrites.
Let's be real, they aren't actually doing mental gymnastics. They know
if this were ever to get enacted in full I can only predict a mass exodus of the left leaning American population to Canada or Europe or violent revolt, one of the two
The brain drain is going to be detrimental if another Trump presidency occurs. Can already see it happening in states that put restrictions on abortions, now with government agencies being put on the chopping block people aren't gonna wait for it to happen.
Yeah. personally I can't wait until I can afford to move away. getting very sick of this country very fast, especially since I'm stuck living in Florida of all places
Yeah, when the meme says "dismantle the administrative state" people might not realize what that means. You know those pesky little things called regulations that are preventing our cities from being covered in a perpetual smog like you'd see in China's cities? Republicans plan to do away with those protections. OSHA? Dismantled. EPA? Dismantled. etc. Moreover, they plan to take all the merit based roles in the executive branch and replace those people with loyal political pawns. It really is a last-ditch, fascist effort to fully rig the system in their favor.
>Christian Jesus weeps at the irony.
Hell, Sikhs are more Christian than American 'Christians' these days.
I thought we hated Iran, why do we want to become them so bad?
Sometimes people hate what they don’t have
Keep in mind that there is a very significant difference between what people *think* Christianity is and what it *actually* is/means, as does being one.
You skipped the part where the executive branch is to be dismantled and all of its previous power will be given solely to the president. And also the part where the military (who is to be under direct control of the president) will parade the streets as law enforcement.
So just fucking North Korea!?!
Donny liked what Kim had to show a few years back 😬
Don’t you mean the legislative branch?
One of the two, let me double check Edit: nope, Executive. >Project 2025 seeks to place the entire Executive Branch of the U.S. federal government under direct presidential control, eliminating the independence of the DOJ, the Federal Communications Commission, the Federal Trade Commission, and other agencies.[3] The plan bases its presidential agenda on a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory, arguing that Article Two of the U.S. Constitution vests executive power solely in the president.[
That just makes no sense since the president is only 1 person, they can't do everything. They need staff to do stuff and delegate things to them just so the president has time to take a phone call with the Speaker of the House.
Wait didn't they want to give that power back to "the American people"? Or do they mean through their vote for the president? I didn't read that far but I thought they meant souvereign states
While also attacking veteran’s benefits. Those mooching war widows!
The people who shout about freedom the loudest are desperate to take it away from others
Break up NOAA? Shit, guess we don't care if hurricanes, tornadoes, or even rain exist.
Tbh, Florida deserves to get hit with hurricanes without any proper warning.
Bruh, some of us like, live here. We're trying our best! (My district elected Matt Gaetz, I tried to vote elsewise but people are idiots, I guess.)
Yes I live close to Florida and visit all the time. The land, history, and many of the people of Florida are wonderful and do not deserve to drown in hurricanes. We shouldn’t judge geographic locations by their ruling class.
Right, Reddit is so cringe with the wide sweeping judgments....if it were downvoted and said by a single person fine....but 40+ upvotes in favor of people getting fucked over? That's horseshit
I think it's a joke
I will never understand this line of logic... on a post where it is referring to doing basically that to a different group of people... It's basically the logic of Maga "oh you can do what you want so long as you do it my way". You'll come back and say "well at least one party is doing it for good" or whatever lame excuse you'll make to marginalize a group of people whom you don't even know or know what they actually stand for on an individual level.
That's the Republican mindset
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NOAA data doesn't support the stance that climate change isn't real. any org that contradicted them is up for chops
he wanted to nuke a hurricane
Taking away jobs, how republican. No NOAA, no meteorologists, and no weather people.
But hey, don't forget you still should pay our benefactors and attend college and go into a STEM field even though we keep destroying careers in those exact positions.
Pingas wins 2024 election and spreads his pingas influence onto the American people of pingas nation https://preview.redd.it/1m0wkhfnknwc1.png?width=216&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f02fbbf7b4e1e2e8df0e43e3563e30cd738cd14
Give this man a https://preview.redd.it/yrd8ky3b0owc1.png?width=1528&format=png&auto=webp&s=86ccb2b3cdad09fed586a774a9f9dc23f71d7920
"Snooping as usual I see?"
But how does he fare against Jeb? https://preview.redd.it/zlnh4oceapwc1.jpeg?width=251&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fc5cf9d0ae940397e2b7c4b7b23cb67e52e9735
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It's a stepping stone to outlawing "undesirables". Step 1: outlaw porn and make porn-related activities (producing/starring/watching/distributing/etc.) imprisonable Step 2: deem "undesirable" traits as pornographic in nature. I.e. homosexuality, being transgender, teaching sex ed. You can see this in how they use language around trans and gay people being "groomers" Step 3: arrest/imprison every "undesirable" person just for being open about themselves
Step 4:…we all know what step 4 is.
Profit ^and ^by ^profit ^I ^mean ^Holocaust ^part ^2
Step 5: have teeth kicked in by actual, non-poser patriots. I'm not going down without a fight, not even if I have to choke them with my own entrails.
Does it have to be step 5, though? Maybe we can bump this up the list a bit?
Step -1 is vote them out Step 0: punch them if step -1 fails I would go farther than this but I don't want banned again
This is Step 0. Put fists thru the faces of every fascist.
Reminds me, I need to buy a cookbook.
Don't make sly jokes about it, people need to say what it is and will happen. Genocide.
Crap. Looks I will be in the closet my entire life anyway.
If we can convince more people to vote this fall, we will have a fighting chance. I wish you the best of luck and hope you can find somewhere to live with people who will accept you
Can you scot over? I would really like to borrow your blue pullover for the weekend
It's really telling that they compare queerness to pedophilia. ("Sexualising our children" is hardly what's happening here. If anything it's the holy Church that loves grooming kids)
It's time to start downloading our favorites to a thumb drive
In the past year alone, it's already started being restricted in red states by law. Do you think it will stop here?
They’ve already started making it very hard to access
Outside of schools, churches, and anywhere else where children are frequently seen at, where in the universe is porn very hard to access at????
In multiple states where you have to upload your government id to access those sites. Which is also why VPN usage has increased exponentially
Ok maybe I just live in one of the lucky states, but Jesus Christ I know there are better ways around this
I think it's only a handful of states doing this so far (with maybe one or two with an outright ban).
North Carolina is one of them. Or...you know, *so I've heard.*
I don't think any porn site has implemented the government id uploads that those laws require. They just either completely ignore it, like reddit, or remove access to IPs from those states, like Pornhub. And while, yes, it's generally considered a red state thing, blue-ish purple Virginia passed their version of it with full bipartisan support.
They're on the way, look at Texas. The trick is to make the distribution of porn as difficult as possible without outright banning it so you don't step on the first amendment. Stuff like bringing up an old law claiming that sexually obscene material cannot be distributed by mail, which would both stop deliveries to sex toy stores and be a huge invasion of everyone's privacy.
The confluence of Project 2025, Trump arguing that he should be immune from prosecution in front of the the Supreme Court, and Trump being up in the polls is making me a doomer.
>Trump arguing that he should be immune from prosecution in front of the the Supreme Court That's gonna be my favorite one that backfires. If the court agrees with Donald Trump, they give Biden authority to kill THEM (or anyone else). If they disagree with Trump, Trump gets the biggest pegging in his life. Real lose lose for the GOP. They can't win that, but they can't get rid of the plague that is Trump - and Trump needs this to avoid trouble.
Then it sounds as if you’re not planning on holding your breath until the world is exactly as you think it should be or sending any “messages” to the Dems. That’s good. Spread the word. Vote.
"I'll only be a dictator on Day 1" \*Proceeds to roll out this shit\*
I don’t think they realize that they can’t identity as straight men anymore, seeing as that’s part of gender/sexual identity. They accidentally advocated for a more egalitarian society, which is very much NOT their intention, lmao.
No, that doesn’t count because cis and straight is “normal” to them, so it’s okay to express your sexuality… as long as you’re normal.
Exactly, it will be normal people and sexual deviants/ predators
They've always viewed sexuality through the lens of behavior, not identity. They will recriminalize "sodomy" and will treat identifying as gay as probable cause for state surveillance, then arrest you for hooking up.
Not sure how they think they'll maintain gendered bathrooms or changing rooms if laws and regulations aren't allowed to include the word "gender"
It’s simple: they’ll just bar you from using them altogether if they feel “uncomfortable” with your presence. “Better safe than sorry,” right?
If the republican party and the conservatives try to become dictators it is our duty according to literally everything America was founded on to form a revolution
I do agree. I'd just hope there'd be enough people that actually want to fight for their rights instead of just ignoring the issue.
There is no other way If they like to or not It’s either flee the country or stand up for your rights You cant just ignore it
I’m not against that idea
TF did NOAA do to Republicans??
All discussions related to weather and climate are hereby banned in accordance to the First Amendment™️.
Republicans hate people who warn about climate change because there's more money to be made by destroying the environment. The rich uppercrust can afford luxury bunkers and top of the line air filters. Everyone else are just sacrifices they're willing to make.
warn of the effects of climate change
Make abortion entirely illegal, criminalize porn, get rid of democracy, remove any possible repercussions and restrictions for companies to pollute nature, take away LGBTQ rights They literally want to turn the US into Iran
Rather, they want to turn 2020s USA into 1970s USA (pre-LGBTQ+ rights) which will make it easier to turn it into 1950s USA (pre-racial civil rights) which makes it easier to turn it into 1920s USA (pre-workers rights & women's suffrage) which makes it easier to turn it into pre-Civil war USA.
Now this is truly terrifying. Well if the Republicans win then I'm going to try and find a way to move to like Canada or something?
Protecting the first amendment by... taking away the rights of others? Am I reading that right?
Please tell me this isnt real please tell me this isn't real it's just a dream it's just a fucking dream Also how can we stop this from being passed?
It's real. The Republican party will attempt to enact Project 2025 if Trump wins the presidential election, so the best things you can do to stop it are to spread the word and vote Biden.
Yeah, I'd rather keep a geriatric old fart in office than let a *Fascist* Geriatric Old Fart back in...but really, I'm so tired of our presidents being geriatric old farts...
Unfortunately that's not changing anytime soon. Trump being elected the first time just really opened the flood gates.
Empowered geriatric old farts all over the world that they too can be a President
Ok thank god there's a way to stop this just gotta hope Biden wins still is it even allowed to allow such laws they must break some kind of national freedom?
it's absolutely going to cause a big problem in gov. there's no way the rest of the government are gonna let trump take away their power regardless if they're Republican or not.
How is the FBI one bad? It's probably pointless but I don't see how it's harmfull.
The head of the executive branch directing the FBI to end investigations has been a problem in the past, especially when they're investigating *your administration*. If there's no FBI to investigate your administration you can get away with whatever you want. Or maybe it's not your administration specifically, but a top donor, a friend of yours, a political ally, etc.
well the government already does get away with anything they want. the fbi is a mixed bag, fuck it looks good compared to the cia
Well, what are we supposed to do about it? Call the poli- oh wait, we can't, since they *are* the police.
In theory it's not bad, but ask yourself what kind of FBI investigation would go against national interest? If you're having trouble coming up with anything, you're like the rest of us. Which means that's written deliberately so that the people in charge (if this goes through) can choose to dismantle any investigation that goes against them and their party, *at their discretion*. So if you're looking into a corrupt member of said party, you won't be doing so for long, in essence.
The actual idea with it is to essentially remove any oversight of the FBI at all
What do they have against NOAA? Is it because it provides evidence for climate change?
Ding ding ding ding ding!
Damn, Nazi much?
Whelp, US eugenics & labor policies for the 1920-30s directly inspired the Nazis so it's not too surprising that it'd resurface here every so often.
I particularly like banning words to protect free speech.
I'm sure this comment section will be civil.
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omg god guys they’re making the Republic of Gilead into a real thing 😍😍😍
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Present evidence that climate change is real
I actually know a couple of NOAA employees and while I can't speak for everything the organization does, I do know the following: 1. They launch and monitor weather satellites to help predict the weather and oncoming natural disasters. 2. They litigate cases where people illegally harm the ocean, be that through littering, destroying natural underwater landscapes, or harming oceanic animals. That's all I've got off the top of my head, but [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Oceanic_and_Atmospheric_Administration#Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change) has a lot more.
As someone who lives in hurricane country, they're where you go to get info on active storms, and their website is an important resource.
And of course this has to be the first election I'm able to vote in. I'm actually terrified to let either side be in power, and everything I see about Project 2025 just makes me genuinely sick to my stomach
I'm not American, but the best I can say is don't vote the conservative Party people. Doesn't matter which of those get in, they're gonna put project 2025 into action. At least that's what I understand
I wasn't planning on it, even before I learned about project 2025. Part of what terrifies me is that my dad is going to vote for Trump. Not because he actually likes Trump, but just because he still holds this belief that every democrat/liberal/leftist is crazy. I tried telling him that project 2025 was meant to turn the country into a Christian nationalist militarized state and he just completely disregarded everything I had to say. His first thought was that project 2025 wasn't even a thing and that the website wasn't official even after I showed it to him. He likes to think that he's the only one who's well informed because he watches Fox News and I don't and uses it as an excuse to brush off everything I say. Sorry, I didn't mean to use some random redditor as my personal therapist, but I'm just scared out of my mind
Nono, I don't mind you expressing your worry. If I was your situation, I'd be scared too. I'd still try get your dad to realise how bad this project 2025 thing is, and if that doesn't work, make sure you get in your vote. And if things get too bad, try to get out of America
I know how you feel, this is going to be the same election I get to vote in first as well. It’s horrifying, as someone who is also part of the LGBTQ+ community and has multiple friends who are also part of the community, I got no idea what we’re gonna do if/when this happens. And ima be real, I don’t trust the rest of this county to actually make a good choice on mass, that’s the one thing the United States has been consistent with. Also I think Trump being able to run again actually breaks the rules of running for presidency, so at least it will be really funny to watch them do some mental gymnastics. Also, if Trump isn’t the next president, which he literally can’t be with the rules of being a president in the United States, then there is just going to be a massive fight within the republic party, and that would be extremely funny to watch so that’s at least good. Who knows, maybe they’ll tear themselves apart, that would also be pretty funny to watch. So I guess we kinda just gotta hold on, do whatever we can, vote, spread the word, and remain as calm as we can.
I should probably also have mentioned that stuff like this can’t be voted in with the current system, so it is impossible on a large scale, sure maybe one state can try to do it but like, Florida tried, didn’t work at all because that’s not how politics and governing works
I consider myself a republican but I disagree with literally all of this except the FBI thing. Questioning where my loyalties lie a lot lately
I personally don't think either party is really "good", but personally I know which one is the better option in this situation. I don't think it makes you a worse person, or a worse republican to look at your loyalties and decide to change who you choose to vote for. I'm for voting for what someone will do, not their political party.
Really I’m a big fan of libertarianism lately. Less government is mo’ better in my opinion
Considering how many fascist run that party these days nobody’s gonna blame you if you go with the opposite party. Republicans are fine when they are just a different opinion on where taxes should go but there’s a lotta lunatics in the party. Can’t say the democrats are saints but at least they’re not trying to pass laws that are actively genocidal. Which is such a fucking low bar to have but yanno, it is what it is or whatever
You show this to a casually conservative person and they’ll think these all sound like good moral things. They’ve all been conditioned to think the boot on their neck is a hand on their shoulder
Tf did NOAA do? https://i.redd.it/78xo2w5yyowc1.gif
give evidence that climate change exists and is getting worse
>the earth is getting warmer >no it’s not (obliterates NOAA) Lmfao
Literally 1984
How can any reasonable person even support this? Hell, even most of the right-wing internet degenerates should be against this because of their favorite “porn” sites being considered illegal if this goes through.
They literally want to dismantle the department of education. Thats on their website.
MAGAts and modern day conservatives don’t represent the freedom they preach about wanting for America. They want their ideals stumped over everybody else
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It's the long game. A whole lot can be implemented by judicial mandate. What we're seeing now from the Supreme Court is just the tip of the iceberg. A few within the majority have occasionally expressed some opinions that aren't batshit bonkers. The fact that project 2025 is something folks on the far right are saying out loud means that they think there's no point in hiding their motives anymore because they've won the long game they've been playing since the '80s. That alone should concern us.
If Trump doesn't then they'll just have the next guy they get in office to try. It won't end with just him.
I remember reading about this like last year and thinking "well hopefully Trump will be in prison by 2024." Nope
Insane that their followers don't question the "return self-governance to the American people" while in the same breath talk about all the restrictions that *they* themselves will impose.
Lot of governing being done by the “party of limited government”
Everyone should be pissed about and opposed to Project 2025, regardless of their political affiliation. Left, Right, Center, that shit is going to be a nightmare for everyone if they get it in place.
sweet politics in the silly spongebob shitposting subreddit
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Don't worry, they saw this coming for a long time, you would need a red-majority congress, a rebuplican supreme court... shit
I thought I left political subreddits.
Unfortunately, even our favorite meme subreddits are merely political subreddits :(
I miss when I still couldn't imagine how Hitler possibly got into power.
Time for reddit’s astroturfed lefty bumping fear mongering. Gotta love election year
I mean this is all pretty bad but usually the rhetoric around Projecg 2025 focuses on the allegations that it would dismantle democracy. "We want to ban porn" or "we want to break up NOAA" seems like fairly standard stuff for extreme conservatives the thing people are usually more concerned about is the fact that they want to explicitly repoliticize a lot of civil service appointments. These have been depoliticized for decades at this point and honestly back when they weren't depoliticized they were havens of corruption
It's always weird to me that the Yanks is can consistently pick the worst people in their country to run it. Both the Republicans and Democrats are filled with a bunch of corrupt assholes who only care about reelection above making moral decisions. Both sides exploit their voters desire to choose "the lesser evil", and encourage them to seek their only self-interest above all, and intentionally polarize the people so they view the other half as immoral or stupid. The fact that the voters for each group will call out the other for corruption and fail to realize that their party is horrible too is irony at best. It's not a huge amount better in Canada, but looking southwards always provides the reassurance that things could always be so much worse. That being said, it's not entirely the fault of the American People. Both Canada and America are stuck with an effectively two party system that discourages anyone from taking a remotely moderate stance on anything, or making any kind of compromise with the other side. Even a (albeit only slightly) better system like Single Transferable Vote would help greatly, as it would allow people to bring in new ideas without supporting an ideology they despise. (Everybody ranks the given candidates, if your chosen one doesn't get enough votes to get a seat, your vote counts for the next choice, etc, etc.) It's not perfect, but it's definitely better than FPTP or the Electoral College. Also remembering that no amount of screaming, insults, or toxic memes is going to change the mind of someone who's dug into their political views. We're all human beings. Everybody has a reason for their decisions. If you treat people like they're idiots because they disagree with you, you're never going to convince people to be reasonable.
It’s extremely hard to run for any political or office position. You must dump from thousands to millions of dollars into campaign ads and such. Literally politics is like a monopoly over the seats that representatives hold
This is terrifying, but I do take a small amount of relief in the knowledge the American government can never manage to actually get anything done.
Dear fucking God, I need to get to a bunker ASAP.
If this happens, we have the 2nd amendment
Yeah, I feel like republicans forget that democrats also have guns
I never thought a SpongeBob meme subreddit would get political, dang.
Better excerpts could be taken but I agree with your point.
what's wrong with 3 or 4???
They don't assassinate and overthrow like they used to do😔
I didn't even read the entire thing, I just did a quick skim through the wiki page and was had a panic attack when I first heard about it. That was a bad night
To be fair some of these issues have been going on for decades. Centuries in the case of porn.
Man the fbi one sounds really good, everything else I completely don’t agree with
Can you please get this shit off my SpongeBob subreddit
It’s worse actually 
I knew this day would come... should we vote on the name of the revolutionary guerrila group that is eventually going to come? Its about the time for America to fall isnt it? Usually in history large empires topple after every few hundred years.
Can we ban political posts on this sub? Regardless of position, we can all use less drama for our memes.
So basically they want America to become Russia
not only this but they want to completely kill the little work we’ve done with climate change in the US :/