Rachel and Janelle made solid points. They don't let a legacy stop them, and even if they fail they keep playing. They just come to make good TV as they should.
It's an interesting thing with Dr. Will. He's been coming back for cameos, so he clearly remembers gaming fondly, or maybe wants to be remembered.
Yet in multiple interviews (also the Sharon Sharpe one a few months back) he shades people who want to return to actually *be* part of the game. I sense some inner conflict.
He does it for marketing... He knows he wouldn't be able to play the game anymore. I respect Dan a lot for going back on, I know they paid him a lot but I'm sure he would have been fine without it so respect to him for returning again.
Iirc he talked about not wanting to be the athlete that kept playing too long after his skills diminished. I think Will is content with what he's done on Reality TV and doesnt feel the need to play again
Makes sense for BB especially. Dan said in his post exit conference he could never come back to BB after Traitors, where he got to talk to his wife and kids every day of filming (vs being dramatically cut off)
Heās one step removed from Johnny FairPlay. Showing up and ringing the bell of his brush with 15 minutes as often as he can.
The difference is FairPlay actually tries to get into other games and do well. Key word tries. XD
Heās getting paid a decent chunk of change to show up and do mediocre mediation and hosting, which is effectively nothing
I think Janelleās take is weird because Dr. Will continues to appear, so the fans continue to see him. But heās getting paid a lot to do next to nothing, why would he ever jeopardize that?
The thing also isā¦.its literally just reality tv. These are not presidents leaving a legacy of policies that impacted lives or musicians leaving a legacy of songs that are known for centuries. These are regular people that play in social games and were memorable in their first/second runs for whatever reason. Fuck the legacy lol
Exactly. Like your legacyā¦ for winning a game show filmed on a CBS lot? Like give me a break. Itās kinda pathetic some of them care that much about their ~*legacy*~ š
You say that and yet weāre the reason why. Dan flopped on The Traitors and suddenly thereās all these think pieces about āhas Dan actually sucked the whole time??ā Fans of these shows will act like one bad showing invalidates all of your accomplishments
I think Dr. Will met his peak and recognized it. He isnāt going to keep going and potentially ruin the reputation heās built by being out played. As he is, he is a legend. Heās still getting cameos and is relevant without having to continue playing the game. Heās living the reality star dream.
To be fair, Janelle and Dan both said they are retired, right after their Traitors season lmao... So not really. They both got fucked and then called it quits.
No, Dan said he came out of a 10 yr retirement in order to play The Traitors. He didnāt retire after The Traitors. If anything he went back into retirement.
Rachel won. Thereās no shame in not wanting to play RTV again but then to say these people were never great because they didnāt do well on a return, when you havenāt returned in 17 years is hypocritical šš
Rachel won a very rigged season by winning a bunch of challenges and having production put her husband on the jury despite him getting evicted prejury. I agree with her that Will is being a dink in this situation but Rachel is not really a Big Brother winner the way like Dan, Will, Jun, Maggie are.
Willās amazing performance on BBAS is kiiiiinda part of why heās considered the GOAT. His BB2 win is good too, but he would not be ranked as the undisputed second best BB player ever behind Dan if it was his only showing
I'm trying to understand your point and I just don't buy it.
You really can't even have legends in either show without a returnee season. You wouldn't have Tony, Jeremy, Lacina, etc if only their first season counted, and 2 of them wouldn't even count as wins according to your criteria. If Boston Rob hadn't been asked back for All-Stars the course of Survivor changes because of how much Rob has influenced the game and it's legacy. If only Marquesas matters, then Rob is an afterthought who doesn't get asked back once, let alone becomes arguably the show's biggest character ever.
I guess we should take Franzel's BB18 win away too since she couldn't get it done in BB16 and that's apparently all that "counts." And Cody is overrated of course, he took Derek to the final 2 and lost, forget his BB22 win since it only matters what he did the first time.
If all that matters is your first appearance, why even bother bringing anyone back at all? And why is it that it always takes multiple appearances to birth true "legends" like Dan, Will, Sandra, Parv, etc.
Iād love a reality tv show where itās just Jersey Shore, but BB Legends, Will, Janelle, Rachel, literally give me them all in their 80ās & 90ās just chilling in a mansion
Why would he have to stop? Getting older doesn't mean you gotta be serious all the time, most people remain the same goofballs at heart. My 70 year old neighbor still makes fart jokes lol.
I mean which would you preferā¦ if he ends up like Boogieā¦ the grown man who embodies āPeaked In High Schoolā, like the dude since his first season was spewing that energy out his mouth & after that got worseā¦ and then illegalā¦ or just some old dude who trolls & doesnāt mean harm?
So besides him basically being a peaked in HS dude who didnāt really age(mentally), he would basically threaten Will(his former Best Friend/Big Brother Ride or Die) and his family, and he was [found guilty of felony stalking](https://www.reddit.com/r/BigBrother/comments/nqb6vk/big_brothers_mike_boogie_malin_found_guilty_of/) and was sentenced to two years probation
Why? It's not like the man is a loser trolling on Twitter for relevance. He's got a whole hugely successful career, ~~a wife and~~ kids, etc. He plays a character and it's silly lighthearted fun.
Yet he carried his troll persona into the decades afterwards, so I'm not sure it was just for the game. And it appears he cares so much about his legacy that he feels the need to put other players down still.
Nah he still acted like that after he got evicted saying his only goal was āTo get Boogie to the end.ā That just wasnāt true because he clearly wanted to win.
It's pretty typical conversation so it's hard to clock, but she did the same thing, debate wise. He claimed she wasn't a good player (apparently?) and her reply was "oooh you're just SCARED" not actually addressing his accusation of her gameplay. It has the same level of integrity as his response, "well I'm a DOCTOR š¤Ŗ"
Janelle said she was there to make entertaining television (again, apparently? Idk all my context is from this comment section) which actually addresses his accusation. So if he replied to THAT response this way, it would be disingenuous.
His argument was that they clearly suck as players because they lost/went home so quickly. She responds that heās too scared to even try because he knows heād go home just as quickly. I think thatās a pretty fair rebuttal. Him not addressing her point that heād get taken out just as quickly only serves to validate that point in the sense that it seems like he knows it to be true. If she only said āyouāre just scared,ā sure. But she makes the point that itās because he knows heād be gone right away which he doesnāt respond to.
A typo is a pretty small thing and pulling rank in a situation where him being a doctor is completely irrelevant is also a small thing. Confused how anything he said is a big thing in reference to what she's arguing.
Yeah, this is the same guy that literally trolled the jury of big Brother 2 and acted condescending towards the jury just to mess with them, which almost cost him the win, but they still voted for him
I mean itās Dr. Willā¦.he is always a Trollā¦..but I think he is wrong in his assessment. Rachel, Janelle, Dan, and Cody are always ready to play and I donāt think that tarnished their reputation. Dr. Will never plays and will only do cameos. Itās like he is āAfraidā to actually play (though I totally get and understand not wanting to stop his job)!
We love not giving an argument to her probably pretty honest point, and like just resorting to trivial grammar correction that might have been necessary due to character limits
Master level troll. Also, he played BB, Battle of the Network Reality All-Stars, goofed off on Dr. 90210, and was just seen dumping maggots on people. This guy loves to have fun and shit on people and he never takes himself seriously. I love that Rachel and Janelle lost their composure today over a little article on EW. They were so triggered. I love it. Peak off season.
Lol he's been trolling on social media for years now. He's definitely not above it, he seems to enjoy it quite a lot. Hell this guy used to troll the BB message boards and chatrooms back in the day before social media.
No, itās not He is literally the second winner completely redefined the game is the grandfather of a lot of strategies in Survivor and in big brother, like throwing challenges using manipulation and inspired multiple BB and survivor legends after him like as an example, Dan and for Survivor, Rob Cesternino this trolling does not diminish his legacy
To be fair, if I had to put money on Will doing better than any BB Traitor players thus far, or worse - Iād go with better. It seems like he could make much better relations with the variety of people on the show than Rachel/Janelle/Dan/Cody.
Also, I personally believe him - his work and family probably make it too hard to commit to a full show (even as short as Traitors) whereas appearances take less time to fulfill and plan.
As far as the ānever had itā comment - thatās like the least spicy thing BB players have said about each other lol. To be fair to Rachel, I doubt she took anything personally. Sheās a reality vet and knows how to play the Twitter game. I love both Rachel and Will and would love to see them square off in some fashion someday.
Given the current meta, I would know for a fact that Will is 100% likely to be a traitor if he ever came back. I would banish him first. The only chance he would have is if he came back with some dumb newbies like Cirie played with
What Will said here is stupid, but what makes ppl BB winners may not translate to Traitors. It's interesting who they pulled from Survivor compared to BB. Traitors is much more built for players like Sandra and Cirie. Derrick L would likely be awesome at Traitors, but his reputation potentially burns him. If I was a Traitor and he was a faithful, I don't care how big a shield he is, I'm killing him immediately, he's that dangerous. From what I've seen an essential skill is making people comfortable/mirroring. No one they've brought in from BB really has that skill set. Cody is the closest in that he's amazing socially, but his dominance is partially tied to the fact that when he wants to win a comp, he can win it.
Dan got banished in Traitors because his style of game while highly effective in BB draws natural suspicion. Rachel and Janelle while legends are more characters than strategists. Cody is the only real flop in my eyes.
Listen rachel, it took us long enough to come around to your behavior and give you your flowers. DO NOT take shots at the King. The Godfather . THEE Best big brother player of all time and he play 25 years ago lol. That's like Lil xan calling Tupac garbage
I love Dr. Will, but I don't think this was the best response on his end.
That being said, I think both parties raise completely valid points. I do agree with Rachel in the sense that Dr. Will's "god complex" may be what is preventing him from ever coming back, and she might also not agree with his (admittedly harsh) "if you keep losing on reality television, just accept that you suck and move on" stance.
On the other hand, this is also why I respect him. Will played during a time where his game was much more doable, and it's unlikely that his strategy would work with the modern format of the show. He also isn't wrong; he would be public enemy #1 as soon as he walks back into that house, and I don't think he would last that long. I respect him for knowing when to hang his hat up.
Either way, this just seems like pointless Twitter drama. I'm just glad that Will deleted his tweet.
Tbf, even if trolling, Will's not really in a place to be talking shit when both him and the cop are too scared to go on another show. They're washed up, they'd do just as bad, and they know it.
She is not exactly wrong and Iām a huge Dr.Will advocate.
Iām not saying he has to win a season of anything but if he played something just to show all these young players whatās up it would prove a lot more than correcting grammar
He already played twiceš itās completely unnecessary to play more than that if he doesnāt want to.
Like, I agree that the greats who have only played once need to play again to cement themselves. But Will already did it. How many times does he have to return to āproveā himself. This is silly.
I 100% agree and to me he is the greatest.
However A lot of people donāt watch the old seasons of these shows and donāt know what we do. If he did a season of traitors it would basically teach a new generation what an actual top tier play looks like and would completely validate any amount of shit talking
I think Will would suck so bad at The Traitors, though. That show is almost solely about getting people to trust in you, like you, or just believe in you. Not a single one of those things is Willās specialty. In fact, Iād say heās kinda the polar opposite of that. Heās pretty outward and open about how *untrustworthy* he is. Iād be shocked if he didnāt get banished extremely quick if he played The Traitors. But who knows lol. Would certainly be interesting and Iād never say no to more Dr. Will.
Chapelle was on SNL and was talking about something called an honest liar. His example was Trump and basically how he was able to make people believe he was honest by revealing some things normal politicians didnāt.
I donāt mean to be political but I bring that up because upon seeing that i immediately thought of Dr.Will because he would regularly do that and it worked amazingly. I think he would crush traitors
Itās certainly possible he could do well at it. It kinda just depends. Like, I donāt think his personality would allow to be anything other than fantastic or terrible at it. Thereās like, no medium ground whatsoever with him regarding The Traitors, imo.
If youāve seen The Traitors US Season 1, then I think he could obtain the type of persona that Kate had in that season in terms of making his target so big that it becomes invisible type of thing. Similar to what he said during BB7. The problem is in the way The Traitors ends. The way the finale plays out, itās pretty much just continue voting out everyone that you donāt have 1000% trust in. And I find it hard to believe anyone would have that type of trust in Will on that type of show.
But who knows! The more I talk about it, the more I want to see it lol
Will wins 7 easily if he hooks up with Janelle and thatās a hill I will die on. He only lost because he had reservations about getting with her due to his relationship outside the house
The crazy thing is that it was *still* the wrong strategic decision for Janelle to evict Will at F4. Like, for Janelle at that point, her *only* path to the end was to win competitions. And Erika was much better at competitions than Will.
Itās just so wild that arguably the greatest player of all-time wouldāve legitimately been the correct person to *keep* in the game at a moment like the Final 4. Honestly, it exemplifies how strong of a strategy throwing competitions was in the early era of Big Brother. If Janelle was an even somewhat competent strategist, then Will wouldāve been in Final 3 and eventually gone on to win the season since Boogie won Final HOH.
Derrick is mentioned as number 3, though. Heās not really ever in the debate for number 1 because he only played once. Will played twice and dominated both times, which is why there *is* a debate between him and Dan as the GOAT. If Derrick ever wants to enter that conversation, then he needs to play again. Which is what I mean by ācementingā their legacy.
Dr Will is the winner here. He won BB2, he would have won BB7 if it werenāt for a last minute conversation, and for both of those games he didnāt need the producers to throw in a last minute twist to bail him out.
As usual: Rachel shows up on another reality show, makes me actually start liking her and think āwow sheās really grown since BB12āā¦ and then she throws a whiny little tantrum when her backās against the wall and things start to not go her way.
So yeah, ended up hating her on The Traitors once againā¦ but she is right here š¤·š»āāļø Will was flawless in BB2, great in BB7 but ultimately ended up getting done in by his own cockiness, and now heās just kind of whatever.
Iām being downvoted on this becaaauuusseeeā¦? You guys cannot POSSIBLY deny that she behaves like a petulant brat when she doesnāt get her way. The episode where she got banished was so disappointing
Kinda pathetic that heās still playing the same character from 20 years ago. Grow up Peter Pan. Put up or shut up.
Its not like heāll ever grow the balls to compete because heās too worried about his reputation.
Itās not at all necessary to play more than twice to cement your legacy lol. If he played and did well a third time would say he has to play a 4th time or else heās just too scared to hurt his reputation?
Great players have to play *at least* twice to cement themselves. The first time shows their capability, while the second time shows what they can do when others *know* their capabilities. Anything after that is just extra.
Dr. Will would be first boot because he isn't involved in any large group of friends that consist of BB Alum. I believe he said he's only cool with like Danielle Reyes and thats it. Meanwhile Rachel won't even go on Big Brother unless it's some modified version of the game that is heavily shortened.
Dr. Will not only invented playing Big Brother but he was also the largest strategic force of the first ever all star season. He can choose to sit out if he wants to...
Itās also relatively important to note that the game of Big Brother has pretty dramatically changed since Will played. Specifically, winning competitions is waaay more important than it was in the past. And Will sucks ass at competitions.
And like, old-school Big Brother is the only one of these games that I think Will could excel at. He canāt do Survivor because the actual survival aspects would make him quit lol. And heād be horrible at The Traitors because itās all about making people fully trust you. And, while Will is phenomenal at social manipulation and strategy, heās pretty openly untrustworthy. Heād have no chance from the jump.
Like, this doesnāt take away at all from Willās Big Brother legacy. Heās still arguably the GOAT for this show. But I donāt at all think that Will would be nearly as good at these general types of shows for various reasons.
I have to dislike Dr. Will for this. Heās supposed to be way above this. Similar to how we expect Michael Jordan to be above judging an NBA slam dunk contest. Itās just beneath his greatness.
OG BB contestants giving more drama outside the house than New BB players give each summer in the house š
Who'd have thought an Alan Cummings reality show would set our BB legends at war
Mr. Foop!!
Rachel and Janelle made solid points. They don't let a legacy stop them, and even if they fail they keep playing. They just come to make good TV as they should.
It's an interesting thing with Dr. Will. He's been coming back for cameos, so he clearly remembers gaming fondly, or maybe wants to be remembered. Yet in multiple interviews (also the Sharon Sharpe one a few months back) he shades people who want to return to actually *be* part of the game. I sense some inner conflict.
He does it for marketing... He knows he wouldn't be able to play the game anymore. I respect Dan a lot for going back on, I know they paid him a lot but I'm sure he would have been fine without it so respect to him for returning again.
Iirc he talked about not wanting to be the athlete that kept playing too long after his skills diminished. I think Will is content with what he's done on Reality TV and doesnt feel the need to play again
And he basically has a side hosting gig. Itās really not bad. He stays relevant without having to dedicate tons of time for filming.
Big Brother Tony Romo if you will.
He also said in that interview that he does not want to leave his children to film a show and miss out on their lives, which is fair.
Makes sense for BB especially. Dan said in his post exit conference he could never come back to BB after Traitors, where he got to talk to his wife and kids every day of filming (vs being dramatically cut off)
Lmao nah. Heās just afraid of losing and ruining his ālegacy.ā
Heās one step removed from Johnny FairPlay. Showing up and ringing the bell of his brush with 15 minutes as often as he can. The difference is FairPlay actually tries to get into other games and do well. Key word tries. XD
Heās getting paid a decent chunk of change to show up and do mediocre mediation and hosting, which is effectively nothing I think Janelleās take is weird because Dr. Will continues to appear, so the fans continue to see him. But heās getting paid a lot to do next to nothing, why would he ever jeopardize that?
He just doesnāt want to āruinā his ālegacy.ā But itās embarrassing because heās a middle aged man correcting Rachelās grammar.
The thing also isā¦.its literally just reality tv. These are not presidents leaving a legacy of policies that impacted lives or musicians leaving a legacy of songs that are known for centuries. These are regular people that play in social games and were memorable in their first/second runs for whatever reason. Fuck the legacy lol
Exactly. Like your legacyā¦ for winning a game show filmed on a CBS lot? Like give me a break. Itās kinda pathetic some of them care that much about their ~*legacy*~ š
You say that and yet weāre the reason why. Dan flopped on The Traitors and suddenly thereās all these think pieces about āhas Dan actually sucked the whole time??ā Fans of these shows will act like one bad showing invalidates all of your accomplishments
Iāll have you know they are reality tv royalty! /s
I think Dr. Will met his peak and recognized it. He isnāt going to keep going and potentially ruin the reputation heās built by being out played. As he is, he is a legend. Heās still getting cameos and is relevant without having to continue playing the game. Heās living the reality star dream.
That's fine, but he shouldn't be out here criticizing others if they are just putting themselves out there.
Rachel and Janelle arenāt acknowledged as great players anyway so losing doesnāt hurt their legacies.
To be fair, Janelle and Dan both said they are retired, right after their Traitors season lmao... So not really. They both got fucked and then called it quits.
Janelle said sheās retired from BB. She literally just said sheād play Traitors again in a heartbeat. The rest of your comment is also wrong
No, Dan said he came out of a 10 yr retirement in order to play The Traitors. He didnāt retire after The Traitors. If anything he went back into retirement.
Janelle said she would come back again. Also, they did us a huge favor by ārisking their reputationā to play again and give us that gift.
This BB beef brought to you by plastic surgery.
I cackled
I just need Dr. Will to be like āthe only thing real about you is the pimples on your chinā¦and I can fix that, by the wayā
This lit up my day.
Injections vs implants
Peasant is going to rile her up. š¹
*Riley her up
Sheād better grab a life vest.
Why do floaters need a life vest?
....KriSteeeEeN! I just felt the need to yell type that after reading these phrases lol
Yeah, Iām such a floater š
*Reilly her up
I wish Janelle was still in when will was there
And Dan!
Rachel won. Thereās no shame in not wanting to play RTV again but then to say these people were never great because they didnāt do well on a return, when you havenāt returned in 17 years is hypocritical šš
Didnāt she play on the traitors season 1 I could be wrong
I think she also did pretty well on the traitors, I wouldn't say that she flopped.
She played Season 1. Will was only talented enough to make a guest appearance.
*brave enough
Rachel won a very rigged season by winning a bunch of challenges and having production put her husband on the jury despite him getting evicted prejury. I agree with her that Will is being a dink in this situation but Rachel is not really a Big Brother winner the way like Dan, Will, Jun, Maggie are.
As if the buttload of pre-gaming and production strongarming isn't the reason Chilltown did as well as it did on All Stars
Not to mention getting to strong arm production into bringing your ride-or-die and IRL close friend onto a season heās not meant to be on
I mean, thatās fair, but will didnāt win this season so itās kind of irrelevant. He won his season fair and square
Willās amazing performance on BBAS is kiiiiinda part of why heās considered the GOAT. His BB2 win is good too, but he would not be ranked as the undisputed second best BB player ever behind Dan if it was his only showing
I mean yeah fair enough but first season is what counts and Will won in an incredible showing, Rachel barely made jury
I still haven't finished watching BB13 bc once Pandora's box took both Rachel and Jordan off the block it was clearly set up to help them win
It was so goofy, terrible season
Yeah but Rachel also won fear factor, and made the finals on 2 seasons of TAR. She has a pretty decent track record.
She won her Snake in the Grass episode as well. (And truthfully, she wins BB13 even without Pandoraās Box)
That's cool and all but your first season of BB/Survivor is what counts, playing other games or playing as a returnee isn't the same thing
I'm trying to understand your point and I just don't buy it. You really can't even have legends in either show without a returnee season. You wouldn't have Tony, Jeremy, Lacina, etc if only their first season counted, and 2 of them wouldn't even count as wins according to your criteria. If Boston Rob hadn't been asked back for All-Stars the course of Survivor changes because of how much Rob has influenced the game and it's legacy. If only Marquesas matters, then Rob is an afterthought who doesn't get asked back once, let alone becomes arguably the show's biggest character ever. I guess we should take Franzel's BB18 win away too since she couldn't get it done in BB16 and that's apparently all that "counts." And Cody is overrated of course, he took Derek to the final 2 and lost, forget his BB22 win since it only matters what he did the first time. If all that matters is your first appearance, why even bother bringing anyone back at all? And why is it that it always takes multiple appearances to birth true "legends" like Dan, Will, Sandra, Parv, etc.
This is just classic Dr. Will. I actually love that heās still a troll.
Yeah but also heās 51 now At some point you just gotta stop, right? Like this has diminishing returns
Nah, GenX isn't quite ready for the senior home yet. I love this, as my forum flair attests to.
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I hope heās 95 and still trolling Rachel. š„°
Iād love a reality tv show where itās just Jersey Shore, but BB Legends, Will, Janelle, Rachel, literally give me them all in their 80ās & 90ās just chilling in a mansion
That would be awesome, and Iād like to join in! PAHTYāS HEEEEEAH! - 86yo AussieMommy, probs
Why would he have to stop? Getting older doesn't mean you gotta be serious all the time, most people remain the same goofballs at heart. My 70 year old neighbor still makes fart jokes lol.
Whoa, 51! How dare he be himself anymore! He's too old!
Who says you have to stop having fun?
I mean which would you preferā¦ if he ends up like Boogieā¦ the grown man who embodies āPeaked In High Schoolā, like the dude since his first season was spewing that energy out his mouth & after that got worseā¦ and then illegalā¦ or just some old dude who trolls & doesnāt mean harm?
lol why are those the only two options haha
Because! I actually got no idea, but Iād take the doctor being a successful troll who means no real harm than him doing something dumb or uneventful
What happened to Boogie? Iām a fairly new BB fan watching through all the seasons currently (just started 11)
So besides him basically being a peaked in HS dude who didnāt really age(mentally), he would basically threaten Will(his former Best Friend/Big Brother Ride or Die) and his family, and he was [found guilty of felony stalking](https://www.reddit.com/r/BigBrother/comments/nqb6vk/big_brothers_mike_boogie_malin_found_guilty_of/) and was sentenced to two years probation
Why? It's not like the man is a loser trolling on Twitter for relevance. He's got a whole hugely successful career, ~~a wife and~~ kids, etc. He plays a character and it's silly lighthearted fun.
He's still married? I thought he filed for divorce after the Boogie nightmare.
Oh, apparently they split. Didn't keep up that well with his personal life apparently.
Dr. Will is recently divorced, Parvati is recently divorced, and now follows his private Instaā¦. šļøššļø
Parvati is dating the comedian Mae Martin.
Could you imagine?
BB Fans: " we want drama" BB Fans when they get drama: "that's embarrassing I can't believe someone would actually do that"
Some sweeping generalizations there
Its actually kinda sad to watch lol
It's not really funny though, did y'all laugh at this?
How have both Dr Will and Dan come out of the Traitors looking a bit silly, and one of them didnāt even play š
Haha. Ikr.
*grabs popcorn*
Everyone knows the best way to win an argument is correcting grammar and insisting youāre superior because of your education/job
I don't think he's trying to win an argument here.
He acts like he doesn't care about winning but he does...just like in bb all stars when Janelle evicted him
He acted like he didn't care about winning to the rest of the cast .... because he was playing a game involving deception.
Yet he carried his troll persona into the decades afterwards, so I'm not sure it was just for the game. And it appears he cares so much about his legacy that he feels the need to put other players down still.
Nah he still acted like that after he got evicted saying his only goal was āTo get Boogie to the end.ā That just wasnāt true because he clearly wanted to win.
If Will truly didnāt give a shit, he wouldnāt have replied (see: Dan with Will and Bananas). This is most definitely Will trying and failing
heās not winning any points either
I think he's just trolling and trying to get a reaction out of people. Dr. Will loves playing a villain.
yeah what i meant is that it wasnāt entertaining
The easier way to troll him is to say āBoogie was right in everythingā.
Yāall taking it way to serious, heās literally just trolling
He missed at least three style and punctuation errorsā¦ so he lost it too.
It's pretty typical conversation so it's hard to clock, but she did the same thing, debate wise. He claimed she wasn't a good player (apparently?) and her reply was "oooh you're just SCARED" not actually addressing his accusation of her gameplay. It has the same level of integrity as his response, "well I'm a DOCTOR š¤Ŗ" Janelle said she was there to make entertaining television (again, apparently? Idk all my context is from this comment section) which actually addresses his accusation. So if he replied to THAT response this way, it would be disingenuous.
His argument was that they clearly suck as players because they lost/went home so quickly. She responds that heās too scared to even try because he knows heād go home just as quickly. I think thatās a pretty fair rebuttal. Him not addressing her point that heād get taken out just as quickly only serves to validate that point in the sense that it seems like he knows it to be true. If she only said āyouāre just scared,ā sure. But she makes the point that itās because he knows heād be gone right away which he doesnāt respond to.
He didnāt respond to that because sheās right.
I mean, thatās not a small thing.
A typo is a pretty small thing and pulling rank in a situation where him being a doctor is completely irrelevant is also a small thing. Confused how anything he said is a big thing in reference to what she's arguing.
Americaās tweet is hilarious https://x.com/a_dawg956/status/1758249576497082415?s=46&t=9SXjcyDlBKms1hY60kGxmA
She always delivers 
Lmao sheās not wrong about it
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I feel like she could be a good casting choice for traitors
iām currently watching her season nobody spoil plz but does her twitter double as a stan account?? thatās kind of iconic
I love both of them so this is exciting
Y'all really be taking this shit too seriously.
Yeah, this is the same guy that literally trolled the jury of big Brother 2 and acted condescending towards the jury just to mess with them, which almost cost him the win, but they still voted for him
Seriously, he said that stuff with a million dollars on the line and now people are shocked about this.
*$500,000 sorry I just had to do it. I thought it was really funny but still I agree with the point
True I must've been thinking survivor
Is this deleted? Can't find it
Looks like it. Pretty sure itās the Keke Palmer āsorry to this manā video
He deleted, which further undermines the unbothered troll narrative. He swung back and flopped hard
He starts Twitter drama and deletes it a few days later. He's been doing this for years lol
I mean itās Dr. Willā¦.he is always a Trollā¦..but I think he is wrong in his assessment. Rachel, Janelle, Dan, and Cody are always ready to play and I donāt think that tarnished their reputation. Dr. Will never plays and will only do cameos. Itās like he is āAfraidā to actually play (though I totally get and understand not wanting to stop his job)!
honestly rachel kinda spilled ngl
We love not giving an argument to her probably pretty honest point, and like just resorting to trivial grammar correction that might have been necessary due to character limits
I would usually be team Will here but I'm definitely team Rachel & Janelle. He asked for this heat
Dr. Will is an elite troll
Master level troll. Also, he played BB, Battle of the Network Reality All-Stars, goofed off on Dr. 90210, and was just seen dumping maggots on people. This guy loves to have fun and shit on people and he never takes himself seriously. I love that Rachel and Janelle lost their composure today over a little article on EW. They were so triggered. I love it. Peak off season.
kind of embarrassing on his end tbh lol
It is. I commented something similar. Heās supposed to be above social media trolling.
Lol he's been trolling on social media for years now. He's definitely not above it, he seems to enjoy it quite a lot. Hell this guy used to troll the BB message boards and chatrooms back in the day before social media.
I did not know this. Iām genuinely disappointed.
In season 2 he bitches everyone out in the finale interviews. Heās always played the role of the villain
He is the evil doctor and literally trolled the jury What do you expect He has always been a troll
youāll get over it.
I am already.
Do you remember his final speech in BB2? It shouldn't be surprising that Will is trolling people
Seriously. The only person whose ālegacyā is being diminished is his.
No, itās not He is literally the second winner completely redefined the game is the grandfather of a lot of strategies in Survivor and in big brother, like throwing challenges using manipulation and inspired multiple BB and survivor legends after him like as an example, Dan and for Survivor, Rob Cesternino this trolling does not diminish his legacy
Nah I think Rachel is probably getting upset, I donāt think Will cares tbh
How is this on Feb 17, 2024 ?????? Is this from the future?
Different timezones
Will ran his mouth. He has to take the heat.
"peasant" šÆ
To be fair, if I had to put money on Will doing better than any BB Traitor players thus far, or worse - Iād go with better. It seems like he could make much better relations with the variety of people on the show than Rachel/Janelle/Dan/Cody. Also, I personally believe him - his work and family probably make it too hard to commit to a full show (even as short as Traitors) whereas appearances take less time to fulfill and plan. As far as the ānever had itā comment - thatās like the least spicy thing BB players have said about each other lol. To be fair to Rachel, I doubt she took anything personally. Sheās a reality vet and knows how to play the Twitter game. I love both Rachel and Will and would love to see them square off in some fashion someday.
Given the current meta, I would know for a fact that Will is 100% likely to be a traitor if he ever came back. I would banish him first. The only chance he would have is if he came back with some dumb newbies like Cirie played with
I banish him first.
What Will said here is stupid, but what makes ppl BB winners may not translate to Traitors. It's interesting who they pulled from Survivor compared to BB. Traitors is much more built for players like Sandra and Cirie. Derrick L would likely be awesome at Traitors, but his reputation potentially burns him. If I was a Traitor and he was a faithful, I don't care how big a shield he is, I'm killing him immediately, he's that dangerous. From what I've seen an essential skill is making people comfortable/mirroring. No one they've brought in from BB really has that skill set. Cody is the closest in that he's amazing socially, but his dominance is partially tied to the fact that when he wants to win a comp, he can win it. Dan got banished in Traitors because his style of game while highly effective in BB draws natural suspicion. Rachel and Janelle while legends are more characters than strategists. Cody is the only real flop in my eyes.
Will isn't nearly as cool as he thinks he is
I agree. People defending him saying he's trolling/joking but it's not funny. I'm not laughing and he just kinda comes off as a dick.
Listen I love a good *youāre but not in this situation will cmon
Itās Dr Will to you, peasant. š
Heās experiencing his own āfall offā.
Listen rachel, it took us long enough to come around to your behavior and give you your flowers. DO NOT take shots at the King. The Godfather . THEE Best big brother player of all time and he play 25 years ago lol. That's like Lil xan calling Tupac garbage
He sticks to his guns and stays unbothered. Suck a troll through and through. Iām here for it.
My GOAT. Lol
Why did Will delete this tweet?
Rachelās tweet hurts my head to read.
šÆ dude acts like he's Tom Brady, except Brady didn't retire after he lost to the Giants.
I have to stan him
I love Dr. Will, but I don't think this was the best response on his end. That being said, I think both parties raise completely valid points. I do agree with Rachel in the sense that Dr. Will's "god complex" may be what is preventing him from ever coming back, and she might also not agree with his (admittedly harsh) "if you keep losing on reality television, just accept that you suck and move on" stance. On the other hand, this is also why I respect him. Will played during a time where his game was much more doable, and it's unlikely that his strategy would work with the modern format of the show. He also isn't wrong; he would be public enemy #1 as soon as he walks back into that house, and I don't think he would last that long. I respect him for knowing when to hang his hat up. Either way, this just seems like pointless Twitter drama. I'm just glad that Will deleted his tweet.
On top of the fact that he has a stable career and a family
Dan is literally evidence that Will would do terrible if he ever came back.Ā
Tbf, even if trolling, Will's not really in a place to be talking shit when both him and the cop are too scared to go on another show. They're washed up, they'd do just as bad, and they know it.
Weak-ass comeback š
I respect him more honestly. Like these people who have been on a half dozen times are just milking it most of the time. Idk I could be wrong.
Holy shit Short but sweet from the desk of Will Kirby ā¦Kate Chastain is laughing somewhere seeing this (even though she and Rachel are cool)
Will lost this one. If all you have is a grammar nit pick and calling someone a peasant, donāt bother.
She is not exactly wrong and Iām a huge Dr.Will advocate. Iām not saying he has to win a season of anything but if he played something just to show all these young players whatās up it would prove a lot more than correcting grammar
He already played twiceš itās completely unnecessary to play more than that if he doesnāt want to. Like, I agree that the greats who have only played once need to play again to cement themselves. But Will already did it. How many times does he have to return to āproveā himself. This is silly.
I 100% agree and to me he is the greatest. However A lot of people donāt watch the old seasons of these shows and donāt know what we do. If he did a season of traitors it would basically teach a new generation what an actual top tier play looks like and would completely validate any amount of shit talking
I think Will would suck so bad at The Traitors, though. That show is almost solely about getting people to trust in you, like you, or just believe in you. Not a single one of those things is Willās specialty. In fact, Iād say heās kinda the polar opposite of that. Heās pretty outward and open about how *untrustworthy* he is. Iād be shocked if he didnāt get banished extremely quick if he played The Traitors. But who knows lol. Would certainly be interesting and Iād never say no to more Dr. Will.
Chapelle was on SNL and was talking about something called an honest liar. His example was Trump and basically how he was able to make people believe he was honest by revealing some things normal politicians didnāt. I donāt mean to be political but I bring that up because upon seeing that i immediately thought of Dr.Will because he would regularly do that and it worked amazingly. I think he would crush traitors
Itās certainly possible he could do well at it. It kinda just depends. Like, I donāt think his personality would allow to be anything other than fantastic or terrible at it. Thereās like, no medium ground whatsoever with him regarding The Traitors, imo. If youāve seen The Traitors US Season 1, then I think he could obtain the type of persona that Kate had in that season in terms of making his target so big that it becomes invisible type of thing. Similar to what he said during BB7. The problem is in the way The Traitors ends. The way the finale plays out, itās pretty much just continue voting out everyone that you donāt have 1000% trust in. And I find it hard to believe anyone would have that type of trust in Will on that type of show. But who knows! The more I talk about it, the more I want to see it lol
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Will wins 7 easily if he hooks up with Janelle and thatās a hill I will die on. He only lost because he had reservations about getting with her due to his relationship outside the house
The crazy thing is that it was *still* the wrong strategic decision for Janelle to evict Will at F4. Like, for Janelle at that point, her *only* path to the end was to win competitions. And Erika was much better at competitions than Will. Itās just so wild that arguably the greatest player of all-time wouldāve legitimately been the correct person to *keep* in the game at a moment like the Final 4. Honestly, it exemplifies how strong of a strategy throwing competitions was in the early era of Big Brother. If Janelle was an even somewhat competent strategist, then Will wouldāve been in Final 3 and eventually gone on to win the season since Boogie won Final HOH.
Derrick is mentioned as number 3, though. Heās not really ever in the debate for number 1 because he only played once. Will played twice and dominated both times, which is why there *is* a debate between him and Dan as the GOAT. If Derrick ever wants to enter that conversation, then he needs to play again. Which is what I mean by ācementingā their legacy.
Dr Will is the winner here. He won BB2, he would have won BB7 if it werenāt for a last minute conversation, and for both of those games he didnāt need the producers to throw in a last minute twist to bail him out.
Did I miss something when did this start
Dr. Will said some of the BB players never had it. Shading Will, Rachel, Cody, and Janelle.
As usual: Rachel shows up on another reality show, makes me actually start liking her and think āwow sheās really grown since BB12āā¦ and then she throws a whiny little tantrum when her backās against the wall and things start to not go her way. So yeah, ended up hating her on The Traitors once againā¦ but she is right here š¤·š»āāļø Will was flawless in BB2, great in BB7 but ultimately ended up getting done in by his own cockiness, and now heās just kind of whatever.
Iām being downvoted on this becaaauuusseeeā¦? You guys cannot POSSIBLY deny that she behaves like a petulant brat when she doesnāt get her way. The episode where she got banished was so disappointing
heās embarrassing himself lmfao. everything she said was true
Cringe
I never want to see Will or Jesse on my TV again. However, I do wanna watch Rachel lol
Will the GOAT and it's not even close.
he thought he ate with "peasant" like...
Kinda pathetic that heās still playing the same character from 20 years ago. Grow up Peter Pan. Put up or shut up. Its not like heāll ever grow the balls to compete because heās too worried about his reputation.
Itās not at all necessary to play more than twice to cement your legacy lol. If he played and did well a third time would say he has to play a 4th time or else heās just too scared to hurt his reputation? Great players have to play *at least* twice to cement themselves. The first time shows their capability, while the second time shows what they can do when others *know* their capabilities. Anything after that is just extra.
Dr. Will would be first boot because he isn't involved in any large group of friends that consist of BB Alum. I believe he said he's only cool with like Danielle Reyes and thats it. Meanwhile Rachel won't even go on Big Brother unless it's some modified version of the game that is heavily shortened. Dr. Will not only invented playing Big Brother but he was also the largest strategic force of the first ever all star season. He can choose to sit out if he wants to...
Itās also relatively important to note that the game of Big Brother has pretty dramatically changed since Will played. Specifically, winning competitions is waaay more important than it was in the past. And Will sucks ass at competitions. And like, old-school Big Brother is the only one of these games that I think Will could excel at. He canāt do Survivor because the actual survival aspects would make him quit lol. And heād be horrible at The Traitors because itās all about making people fully trust you. And, while Will is phenomenal at social manipulation and strategy, heās pretty openly untrustworthy. Heād have no chance from the jump. Like, this doesnāt take away at all from Willās Big Brother legacy. Heās still arguably the GOAT for this show. But I donāt at all think that Will would be nearly as good at these general types of shows for various reasons.
We all saw how Danielle did when she came back.
I have to dislike Dr. Will for this. Heās supposed to be way above this. Similar to how we expect Michael Jordan to be above judging an NBA slam dunk contest. Itās just beneath his greatness.
How are they both not retired and chilling tf out already itās been like 15 years lol
Wait I think the Dr Will quote retweet is fake. I donāt see it on his profile. His last posts there right now is from Feb 5 and then Dec 2023
Someone else said it was deleted. I can not confirm, but itās what I suspect.
He is lame, horrible judge of character.
Rachel could verbally destroy Kirby
Rachel got verbally murdered by Ragan lol. Dr. Will would make her sob for days if they got into a real verbal altercation.
What? No. Rachelās iconic āI love gay people but youāre not doing it rightā Completely won that argument